History YMMV / Ben10Omniverse

21st Jun '16 6:34:01 PM BatmanKalEl
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** The decision to [[OutOfFocu cut]] Gwen and Kevin from Ben's team. OS fans who hated Ben's AF/UA team and the Gwen/Kevin ship rejoiced over this decision. AF/UA fans who had watched the characters develop over two series despised it how they were suddenly removed with very little explanation.

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** The decision to [[OutOfFocu [[OutOfFocus cut]] Gwen and Kevin from Ben's team. OS fans who hated Ben's AF/UA team and the Gwen/Kevin ship rejoiced over this decision. AF/UA fans who had watched the characters develop over two series despised it how they were suddenly removed with very little explanation.
27th Mar '16 5:00:24 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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** "Universe VS Tennyson" wastes a Celestialsapien smackdown, something that could have been Anime/GurrenLagann levels of {{Badass}}, in favor of focusing on a comedic trial against Ben.

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** "Universe VS Tennyson" wastes a Celestialsapien smackdown, something that could have been Anime/GurrenLagann Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann levels of {{Badass}}, in favor of focusing on a comedic trial against Ben.
16th Mar '16 4:17:41 PM ObsidianFire
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** Likewise, Khyber started off as a terrifying and effective villain in season 1, but the Duel of the Duplicates arc has him humiliated by him being terrified of Pesky Dust and then put in an even more humiliating dream sequence. The episode "Stuck On You" tries to give him back some of his intimidation factor, but it ultimately falls short due to him being far less GenreSavvy than before (I.E. Trusting [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Skurd]], who was clearly using him to get the Omnitrix), having his more comical aspects played up instead of being the full-on KnightOfCerebus he was in Season 1, and his final fight scene with Ben essentially being reduced to slapstick.

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** Likewise, Khyber started off as a terrifying and effective villain in season 1, but the Duel of the Duplicates arc has him humiliated by him being terrified of Pesky Dust and then put in an even more humiliating dream sequence. The episode "Stuck On You" tries to give him back some of his intimidation factor, but it ultimately falls short due to him being far less GenreSavvy smart than before (I.E. Trusting [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Skurd]], who was clearly using him to get the Omnitrix), having his more comical aspects played up instead of being the full-on KnightOfCerebus he was in Season 1, and his final fight scene with Ben essentially being reduced to slapstick.



* LoveToHate: The fans really love Malware (who's easily one of the most vile and despicable villains in the entire franchise) due to him being an terrifyingly awesome and GenreSavvy bad guy with [[TheUnfettered zero moral qualms]]. This made him ''really'' stand out, especially given the new DenserAndWackier approach.

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* LoveToHate: The fans really love Malware (who's easily one of the most vile and despicable villains in the entire franchise) due to him being an terrifyingly awesome and GenreSavvy bad guy with [[TheUnfettered zero moral qualms]]. This made him ''really'' stand out, especially given the new DenserAndWackier approach.



** Zs'Skayr, for coming up with a plan involving resurrecting the extinct [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Vlatats]] as his army, without ''[[GenreBlind any means]]'' [[EvilIsNotAToy to ensure he will be able to keep an horde of]] [[FantasticRacism racist]], [[HorrorHunger life force-starving]], [[MindControl crowd-enslaving]] monsters under control, when he could barely ''convince'' their leader alone to work with him. For added stupidity, his own [[TheDragon Dragon]] is from a species who used to be enslaved by the Vladats, and [[spoiler:he ''still'' fails to see any betrayal coming]].

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** Zs'Skayr, for coming up with a plan involving resurrecting the extinct [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Vlatats]] as his army, without ''[[GenreBlind any means]]'' ''any means'' [[EvilIsNotAToy to ensure he will be able to keep an horde of]] [[FantasticRacism racist]], [[HorrorHunger life force-starving]], [[MindControl crowd-enslaving]] monsters under control, when he could barely ''convince'' their leader alone to work with him. For added stupidity, his own [[TheDragon Dragon]] is from a species who used to be enslaved by the Vladats, and [[spoiler:he ''still'' fails to see any betrayal coming]].
6th Mar '16 8:38:50 PM Etheru
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** Zigzagged with Ben. His personality owes to the exaggerated [[TookALevelInDumbass moron]] from Season 3 of ''Alien Force'', much to the irritation of the fans who liked him as a more competent and heroic character, but some episodes like "Malefactor" or "Max's Monster" do showcase him as smarter and more competent. Unfortunately, by the next episode he usually tends to [[AesopAmnesia get back to be a moron]], and the writers have so far yet to settle on either portrayal.

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** Zigzagged with Ben. His personality owes to the exaggerated [[TookALevelInDumbass moron]] from Season 3 of ''Alien Force'', much to the irritation of the fans who liked him as a more competent and heroic character, but some episodes like "Malefactor" or "Max's Monster" do showcase him as smarter and more competent. Unfortunately, by the next episode he usually tends to [[AesopAmnesia get back to be a moron]], and the writers have so far yet to settle hadn't settled on either portrayal.portrayal by the series' end.



** The Time War arc doesn't go into much, if any, detail about what the war was even about, nobody particularly seems to participate in it onscreen. Instead it's more of a backdrop to justify Maltruant's existence.

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** The Time War arc doesn't go into much, if any, detail about what the war was even about, and nobody particularly seems to participate in it onscreen. Instead it's more of a backdrop to justify Maltruant's existence.existence.
** This series finally delves into other parts of the multiverse, but aside from Ben 23 and [[WordOfGod remarks from the show's crew]] about the backstories of the various evil alternate Bens, very little of it is actually explored in a meaningful fashion, instead being the subject of either single episodes or two-parters.
2nd Mar '16 4:48:17 PM Snowy66
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** Gwen and Kevin going OutOfFocus, and being cut from Ben's team. OS fans who hated Ben's AF/UA team and the Gwen/Kevin ship rejoiced over this decision. AF/UA fans who had watched the characters develop over two series despised it how they were suddenly removed with very little explanation.

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** The decision to [[OutOfFocu cut]] Gwen and Kevin going OutOfFocus, and being cut from Ben's team. OS fans who hated Ben's AF/UA team and the Gwen/Kevin ship rejoiced over this decision. AF/UA fans who had watched the characters develop over two series despised it how they were suddenly removed with very little explanation.
2nd Mar '16 4:47:40 PM Snowy66
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** A common division: Original ''Ben 10'' and/or Derrick Wyatt's fans who are glad to see the show going back to its original roots and become "fun" again, and ''Alien Force''[=/=]''Ultimate Alien'' fans who are afraid Wyatt might be removing everything brought by the sequels (including the good parts) for the sake of going back to the original show. The fact he confirmed that several sequel episodes would be CanonDiscontinuity, that arcs started in the previous series have [[AbortedArc been aborted]], and hinted several times he wasn't really a fan of the sequels ''doesn't'' help. And then there are those who [[FirstInstallmentWins still believe in the original series only]] and see both ''Alien Force'', ''Ultimate Alien'' '''and''' ''Omniverse'' as crappy, in fact resenting ''Omniverse's'' attempts at throwbacks to the original.

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** A common division: Original ''Ben 10'' and/or Derrick Wyatt's fans who are glad to see the show going back to its original roots and become "fun" again, and ''Alien Force''[=/=]''Ultimate Alien'' fans who are afraid Wyatt might be removing everything brought by the sequels (including the good parts) and dumbing down the show for the sake of going back to the original show. The fact he confirmed that several sequel episodes would be CanonDiscontinuity, that arcs started in the previous series have [[AbortedArc been aborted]], and hinted several times he wasn't really a fan of the sequels ''doesn't'' help. And then there are those who [[FirstInstallmentWins still believe in the original series only]] and see both ''Alien Force'', ''Ultimate Alien'' '''and''' ''Omniverse'' as crappy, in fact resenting ''Omniverse's'' attempts at throwbacks to the original.



** Gwen and Kevin going OutOfFocus, and being cut from Ben's team. OS fans who hated Ben's AF/UA team and the Gwen/Kevin ship rejoiced over this decision. AF/UA fans who had watched the characters develop over two series despised it how they were suddenly removed with very little explanation.



** The retcons in "The Rooters of all Evil": [[spoiler: Kevin isn't part alien; Osmosians are just humans with a genetic component that gives them powers, and Kevin's is energy/matter absorption. The Plumber's Kids aren't hybrids; they're humans infused with alien DNA. Max never had a partner named Devin Levin; he never existed, and their partnership was a false memory implanted by Proctor Servantis so that he'd look after Kevin and the Plumber's Helpers. On one hand, this brings things closer to the original series; on the other hand, it basically nullifies much of ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' and tries to fix already confusing retcons by making even ''more'' retcons, messing up the continuity further.]]

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** The retcons in "The Rooters of all Evil": [[spoiler: Kevin isn't part alien; Osmosians are just humans with a genetic component that gives them powers, and Kevin's is energy/matter absorption. The Plumber's Kids aren't hybrids; they're humans infused with alien DNA. Max never had a partner named Devin Levin; he never existed, and their partnership was a false memory implanted by Proctor Servantis so that he'd look after Kevin and the Plumber's Helpers. On one hand, this brings things closer to the original series; on the other hand, it basically nullifies invalidates much of what ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' and tries to fix already confusing had established, essentially retconning ''existing'' retcons by and making it even ''more'' retcons, messing up the continuity further.more confusing.]]
10th Feb '16 2:32:16 PM Snowy66
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** Nyancy Chan is one of the most disliked characters in the show for having an annoying voice and design, being an overall annoying character, not fitting in the setting even with the more cartoonish approach and [[HarmlessVillain being one of the most pathetically]] [[WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway weak villains in the entire franchise]].

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** Nyancy Chan is one of the most disliked characters in the show show, for having an annoying voice and unrealistic design, being an overall annoying character, extremely pointless character overall, not fitting in the setting even with the more cartoonish approach approach, and [[HarmlessVillain being one of the most pathetically]] [[WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway weak villains in the entire franchise]].
10th Feb '16 9:24:24 AM Theokal3
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** Blucik's and Driba's condescendant comments on Cerebrocrustaceans being nowhere near as smart as Galvans were probably meant to make us think they were right, but many fans instead interpreted it as the two Galvan being [[FantasticRacism racists toward Cerebrocrustaceans]].

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** Blucik's and Driba's condescendant condescending comments on Cerebrocrustaceans being nowhere near as smart as Galvans were probably meant to make us think they were right, but many fans instead interpreted it as the two Galvan being [[FantasticRacism racists toward Cerebrocrustaceans]].
10th Feb '16 9:23:42 AM Theokal3
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** Blucik's and Driba's condescendant comments on Cerebrocrustaceans being nowhere near as smart as Galvans were probably meant to make us think they were right, but many fans instead interpreted it as the two Galvan being [[FantasticRacism racists toward Cerebrocrustaceans]].
7th Feb '16 3:09:28 AM Theokal3
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** Collectimus, due to being a very obnoxious character and a blatant TakeThatAudience. Fans, especially those who liked the Alien Force[=/=]Ultimate Alien era, were not amused.

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** Collectimus, due to being a very obnoxious character and a blatant TakeThatAudience. Fans, especially those who liked the Alien Force[=/=]Ultimate Alien era, were not amused. And even those who don't like or don't care about the era he mocks still dislike him for being a KarmaHoudini.



** Nyancy Chan is one of the most disliked characters in the show. Her design, and cat like behavior is very annoying. Not to mention she's one of the most pathetic villains to date.

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** Nyancy Chan is one of the most disliked characters in the show. Her show for having an annoying voice and design, being an overall annoying character, not fitting in the setting even with the more cartoonish approach and cat like behavior is very annoying. Not to mention she's [[HarmlessVillain being one of the most pathetic pathetically]] [[WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway weak villains to date.in the entire franchise]].
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