History YMMV / Ben10Omniverse

16th Mar '18 6:48:38 PM MagBas
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Might have been one to Cartoon Network as a whole. It was a LighterAndSofter rework of a show that managed to [[CharacterDerailment derail]] many of its characters from their original personalities and give them DesignatedHero moments, and it ended up being very divisive with fans overall. Due to a number of other factors, [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo the next show the channel premiered that followed a similar formula]] ended up becoming ''the single most hated cartoon on the internet in the new tens.'' So ''Omniverse'' may have unintentionally paved the way for ''TTG'' and subsequent cartoons like it on the network, including the ''Ben 10'' franchise's own [[WesternAnimation/Ben102016 2016]] ContinuityReboot.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Might have been one to Cartoon Network as a whole. It was a LighterAndSofter rework of a show that managed to [[CharacterDerailment derail]] many of its characters from their original personalities and give them DesignatedHero moments, and it ended up being very divisive with fans overall. Due to a number of other factors, [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo the next show the channel premiered that followed a similar formula]] ended up becoming ''the single most hated cartoon on the internet in the new tens.'' So ''Omniverse'' may have unintentionally paved the way for ''TTG'' and subsequent cartoons like it on the network, including the ''Ben 10'' franchise's own [[WesternAnimation/Ben102016 2016]] ContinuityReboot.
16th Mar '18 6:00:39 PM Storygirl000
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Might have been one to Cartoon Network as a whole. It was a LighterAndSofter rework of a show that managed to [[CharacterDerailment derail]] many of its characters from their original personalities and give them DesignatedHero moments, and it ended up being very divisive with fans overall. Due to a number of other factors, [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo the next show the channel premiered that followed a similar formula]] ended up becoming ''the single most hated cartoon on the internet in the new tens.'' So ''Omniverse'' may have unintentionally paved the way for ''TTG'' and subsequent cartoons like it on the network, including the ''Ben 10'' franchise's own [[WesternAnimation/Ben102016 2016]] ContinuityReboot.
7th Mar '18 6:04:28 AM worldofdrakan
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: There's a sequence in "The Frogs of War Part 1" where Fourarms charges at some Inkurseans, who just stand there not firing or moving as he knocks them over.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: There's a sequence in "The Frogs of War Part 1" where Fourarms charges at some Inkurseans, Incurseans, who just stand there not firing or moving as he knocks them over.
23rd Feb '18 2:38:18 AM RedScharlach
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*** Ben could be considered a {{Workaholic}}, if you take his hero work as a job of sorts. He's willing to put everything aside just to fight aliens, becomes bored and antsy after only ''two weeks'' of inactivity, and becomes ''excited'' at the mere mention of an intergalactic threat. His entire life is devoted to doing his job, to the point where he doesn't seem to have anything beyond it. In the previous series' shows he had a life outside his hero work. Here it seems like its all he has. Hell, I don't think he even goes to ''school'' anymore.

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*** Ben could be considered a {{Workaholic}}, if you take his hero work as a job of sorts. He's willing to put everything aside just to fight aliens, becomes bored and antsy after only ''two weeks'' of inactivity, and becomes ''excited'' at the mere mention of an intergalactic threat. His entire life is devoted to doing his job, to the point where he doesn't seem to have anything beyond it. In the previous series' shows he had a life outside his hero work. Here it seems like its it's all he has. Hell, I don't think he even goes to ''school'' anymore.



** For the matter, Khyber and his pet aren't exactly impressive either in the same fight: the struggle between Ben and his pet essentially sums up to Ben being either overpowered or incapacited by the Nemetrix predators, until Azmuth figures out how to take control of the pet. Especially irritating when Ben [[AesopAmnesia gets easily incapacitated twice by Hypnotik's abilities, even though]] ''[[AesopAmnesia Malefactor]]'' [[AesopAmnesia had him figure out how to resist this specific predator's ability]].
** Sixsix, Sevenseven and Eighteight in "Vilgax Must Croak". For the whole episode, they pursue the Plumbers inside Incarceon and almost eliminate them, with a single one of them sending them running. When the Plumbers come back and confront them again... they immediatly surrender, despite being clearly stronger than them.

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** For the matter, Khyber and his pet aren't exactly impressive either in the same fight: the struggle between Ben and his pet essentially sums up to Ben being either overpowered or incapacited incapacitated by the Nemetrix predators, until Azmuth figures out how to take control of the pet. Especially irritating when Ben [[AesopAmnesia gets easily incapacitated twice by Hypnotik's abilities, even though]] ''[[AesopAmnesia Malefactor]]'' [[AesopAmnesia had him figure out how to resist this specific predator's ability]].
** Sixsix, Sevenseven and Eighteight in "Vilgax Must Croak". For the whole episode, they pursue the Plumbers inside Incarceon and almost eliminate them, with a single one of them sending them running. When the Plumbers come back and confront them again... they immediatly immediately surrender, despite being clearly stronger than them.



* BadassDecay: Possibly the worst offender of this trope in the entire franchise, especially when it comes to the villains, [[DenserAndWackier who are often despicted as more comical for the sake of humor]] even if it doesn't fit their original characterizations. Here are some major examples:

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* BadassDecay: Possibly the worst offender of this trope in the entire franchise, especially when it comes to the villains, [[DenserAndWackier who are often despicted depicted as more comical for the sake of humor]] even if it doesn't fit their original characterizations. Here are some major examples:



** Albedo; after an entire arc dedicated to [[TookALevelInBadass making him a menacing foe]], [[CharacterRerailment turning him back]] from the ButtMonkey he had become in ''Ultimate Alien'' to a skilled DiabolicalMastermind, [[spoiler:[[DesignatedHero Azmuth]] [[YankTheDogsChain punishes him for his act by trapping him into a human form again]], [[FromBadToWorse this time as a 11 years old version of Ben]], and he is reduced to a crying child]]. His two next appearances have him work for Vilgax ([[MotiveDecay who by all logic he should have every reason to not team up with]]), the first as just one more thug and the second as a one-shot villain who [[spoiler:is easily defeated by Azmuth]].

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** Albedo; after an entire arc dedicated to [[TookALevelInBadass making him a menacing foe]], [[CharacterRerailment turning him back]] from the ButtMonkey he had become in ''Ultimate Alien'' to a skilled DiabolicalMastermind, [[spoiler:[[DesignatedHero Azmuth]] [[YankTheDogsChain punishes him for his act by trapping him into a human form again]], [[FromBadToWorse this time as a 11 years old an 11-year-old version of Ben]], and he is reduced to a crying child]]. His two next appearances have him work for Vilgax ([[MotiveDecay who by all logic he should have every reason to not team up with]]), the first as just one more thug and the second as a one-shot villain who [[spoiler:is easily defeated by Azmuth]].



** Atomix is either loved for his hammyness, badassery and being a ContinuityNod to the Original Series' episode ''Ken 10'', or hated for having a ugly, robotic-like, toyetic design.

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** Atomix is either loved for his hammyness, badassery and being a ContinuityNod to the Original Series' episode ''Ken 10'', or hated for having a an ugly, robotic-like, toyetic robot-like design.



** While many aliens' designs ''had'' been criticized in the ''AF/UA'' era, especially later ones like Eatle, Jury Rigg, and Fasttrack, many others were already good to begin with, raising some controversy about the point of redesigning them as well (especially the original series aliens, whose designs were critically acclaimed for most anyway). Most notable examples of those unnecessary redesigns include Fourarms now having a mustache (although only the 16 year old Ben as Fourarms has this. 11 year old Ben's Fourarms looks the same as the original series, but now has green eyes and the Omnitrix symbol on his shoulder is now green.), Big Chill being now a bulky bug instead of a skeleton-like skinny creature, and Echo Echo's streamlined design now looking like he got crushed in a trash compactor.

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** While many aliens' designs ''had'' been criticized in the ''AF/UA'' era, especially later ones like Eatle, Jury Rigg, and Fasttrack, many others were already good to begin with, raising some controversy about the point of redesigning them as well (especially the original series aliens, whose designs were critically acclaimed for most anyway). Most notable examples of those unnecessary redesigns include Fourarms now having a mustache (although only the 16 year old 16-year-old Ben as Fourarms has this. 11 year old 11-year-old Ben's Fourarms looks the same as the original series, but now has green eyes and the Omnitrix symbol on his shoulder is now green.), Big Chill being now a bulky bug instead of a skeleton-like skinny creature, and Echo Echo's streamlined design now looking like he got crushed in a trash compactor.



** The ContinuityPorn, particularly the flashbacks parts and episodes taking place in the original series' era when Ben was 11 years old; a lot of fans are glad about it, since it brings back an original series feeling; others feel that it's a bit forced and unnecessary (what's the point of trying to make 16 and 17 years old characters more like their original series selves if their original series selves will show up in flashback parts and episodes on a regular basis anyway?) and will only end up wasting episode that could have been focusing on the plot.

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** The ContinuityPorn, particularly the flashbacks flashback parts and episodes taking place in the original series' era when Ben was 11 years old; a lot of fans are glad about it, since it brings back an original series feeling; others feel that it's a bit forced and unnecessary (what's the point of trying to make 16 16- and 17 years old 17-year-old characters more like their original series selves if their original series selves will show up in flashback parts and episodes flashbacks on a regular basis anyway?) and will only end up wasting episode time that could have been spent focusing on the plot.



*** What is not helping is that it leaves a lot to chance. [[spoiler: one; how did Servantis get to Kevin's mom and change her memories and also her new husband's to give the idea that she told the stories about him? Plus he would also need to brain wash all the Plumbers, not just Max, to keep this ruse around and make evidence of his existence, which would take up a lot of time for a plan that would likely be unable to be used as it would be too much up to chance. Two; Dwayne McDuffie himself revealed through WordOfGod that Manny's mom was a Tetramand, so that seems to be a bit of a disrespectful thing to him to remove the work he has done. Three: what about all the other plumber kids that were mentioned or introduced like Michael Morningstar? Was he not involved with the Rooters? And if so, what does he have to do with the Plumbers? Four; it makes the death of Ragnarok seem kinda unneeded as it would mean hat he would be in on some plan that Servantis set up. How would he even get that much foresight involved? and five; The plan seems too overly complicated and unnecessary as by this point in time, Ben has saved the universe and is a veteran in a war against the Highbreed. He has no proof of Ben being a threat at all.]] In all, the plot of this arc is too chatoic to get through all the contradictions.

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*** What is not helping is that it leaves a lot to chance. [[spoiler: one; how did Servantis get to Kevin's mom and change her memories and also her new husband's to give the idea that she told the stories about him? Plus he would also need to brain wash all the Plumbers, not just Max, to keep this ruse around and make evidence of his existence, which would take up a lot of time for a plan that would likely be unable to be used as it would be too much up to chance. Two; Dwayne McDuffie himself revealed through WordOfGod that Manny's mom was a Tetramand, so that seems to be a bit of a disrespectful thing to him to remove the work he has done. Three: what about all the other plumber kids that were mentioned or introduced like Michael Morningstar? Was he not involved with the Rooters? And if so, what does he have to do with the Plumbers? Four; it makes the death of Ragnarok seem kinda unneeded as it would mean hat he would be in on some plan that Servantis set up. How would he even get that much foresight involved? and five; The plan seems too overly complicated and unnecessary as by this point in time, Ben has saved the universe and is a veteran in a war against the Highbreed. He has no proof of Ben being a threat at all.]] In all, the plot of this arc is too chatoic chaotic to get through all the contradictions.



** Some real effort to undoing villains' BadassDecay seems to be ongoing, with various level of success. Vilgax is given a TheBadGuyWins moment, but also has much less appearances and is treated more like a joke by the other characters than before. Albedo is promoted to BigBad rank and made a darker, more threatening villain again after having been downgraded to ButtMonkey after his first couple of appearances in AF/UA (though [[spoiler:Azmuth�s treatment of him at the end]] nullifies this effort a bit); Darkstar was back to his old badassitude level after having fallen even farther than Albedo had (though he slips once he gets his Mike Morningstar looks back.) It's a shame Psyphon is ''more'' of a ButtMonkey every episode when he was so cool that first time he operated solo, but then, I guess ''someone's'' got to be the HarmlessVillain and [[HumanoidAbomination it sure ain't Zombozo]].

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** Some real effort to undoing villains' BadassDecay seems to be ongoing, with various level of success. Vilgax is given a TheBadGuyWins moment, but also has much less far fewer appearances and is treated more like a joke by the other characters than before. Albedo is promoted to BigBad rank and made a darker, more threatening villain again after having been downgraded to ButtMonkey after his first couple of appearances in AF/UA (though [[spoiler:Azmuth�s treatment of him at the end]] nullifies this effort a bit); Darkstar was back to his old badassitude level after having fallen even farther than Albedo had (though he slips once he gets his Mike Morningstar looks back.) It's a shame Psyphon is ''more'' of a ButtMonkey every episode when he was so cool that first time he operated solo, but then, I guess ''someone's'' got to be the HarmlessVillain and [[HumanoidAbomination it sure ain't Zombozo]].



*** Things improve for him again with "Malgax Attacks", however. Vilgax is portrayed as TheHeavy. While its Albedo's plan to attack Galvan, Vilgax, [[spoiler:[[FusionDance now wearing armor made of Malware's remains]]]], spends the entire episode [[CurbStompBattle tossing Ben around like a ragdoll]], even beating Atomix, who is infamous for being a walking DeusExMachina. His loss is also dignified: aside from a slapstick moment of Skurd saving Ben by sticking to Vilgax's head, he's defeated in a fair fight that ends with him HoistByHisOwnPetard.

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*** Things improve for him again with "Malgax Attacks", however. Vilgax is portrayed as TheHeavy. While its it's Albedo's plan to attack Galvan, Vilgax, [[spoiler:[[FusionDance now wearing armor made of Malware's remains]]]], spends the entire episode [[CurbStompBattle tossing Ben around like a ragdoll]], even beating Atomix, who is infamous for being a walking DeusExMachina. His loss is also dignified: aside from a slapstick moment of Skurd saving Ben by sticking to Vilgax's head, he's defeated in a fair fight that ends with him HoistByHisOwnPetard.



** ''An American Benwolf in London'' has a weird case of this trope caused by AdaptationDisplacement: the [[Literature/TheStrangeCaseOfDrJekyllAndMrHyde formula created by Dr Jekyll]] is despicted as transforming the one who drinks it into an ape-like monster with superhuman strength, like Hyde usually is portrayed in media. In the novel, Hyde, while perceived by people as deformed due to being pure evil, was actually very short and not particularly monstrous or strong. This wouldn't be a problem if the series was merely doing its own version of the myth- except this formula is explicitly stated to be the same than the one described in the book at the beginning of the episode.

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** ''An American Benwolf in London'' has a weird case of this trope caused by AdaptationDisplacement: the [[Literature/TheStrangeCaseOfDrJekyllAndMrHyde formula created by Dr Jekyll]] is despicted as transforming the one who drinks it into an ape-like monster with superhuman strength, like Hyde usually is portrayed in media. In the novel, Hyde, while perceived by people as deformed due to being pure evil, was actually very short and not particularly monstrous or strong. This wouldn't be a problem if the series was merely doing its own version of the myth- myth -- except this formula is explicitly stated to be the same than the one described in the book at the beginning of the episode.



* DesignatedHero: Some actions of the protagonists (often played for laughs) have been perceived by the fans as mean-spirited at best and downright morally questionable at worst. The most prominent examples being [[spoiler:Ben permanently turning Harangue into an alien]] and [[spoiler:Azmuth trapping Albedo in the form of an 11-Year-Old Ben]]. While [[spoiler:[[AssholeVictim both victims clearly were meant to deserve that]]]], many felt the acts in themselves were petty, needlessly cruel and un-heroic.

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* DesignatedHero: Some actions of the protagonists (often played for laughs) have been perceived by the fans as mean-spirited at best and downright morally questionable at worst. The most prominent examples being [[spoiler:Ben permanently turning Harangue into an alien]] and [[spoiler:Azmuth trapping Albedo in the form of an 11-Year-Old 11-year-old Ben]]. While [[spoiler:[[AssholeVictim both victims clearly were meant to deserve that]]]], many felt the acts in themselves were petty, needlessly cruel and un-heroic.



*** Ben's irresponsibility in general has usually been PlayedForLaughs, but Servantis argues that the extraordinary power the Omnitrix grants is not the sort of thing you want in the hands of a an immature DestructiveSavior. ''Weapon XI: Part 2'' ends with the conclusion that Ben, having saved the universe multiple times, was well worth the risk, but Servantis' criticisms cast Ben's less mature actions in a more critical light.

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*** Ben's irresponsibility in general has usually been PlayedForLaughs, but Servantis argues that the extraordinary power the Omnitrix grants is not the sort of thing you want in the hands of a an immature DestructiveSavior. ''Weapon XI: Part 2'' ends with the conclusion that Ben, having saved the universe multiple times, was well worth the risk, but Servantis' criticisms cast Ben's less mature actions in a more critical light.



** A frequent justification used by the writers, as well as Derrick J. Wyatt, to explain the infamous break-up between Ben and Julie, as well as the confirmation she wouldn't be his wife in the future, was to say that in real life, "you don't end up marrying girls you dated as a teenager". Fast-forward to the Time War story arc, Ben's final LoveInterest turns out to be ''Kai Green'', a character he had a crush on ''as a ten years old'' and didn't see for five years after that.

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** A frequent justification used by the writers, as well as Derrick J. Wyatt, to explain the infamous break-up between Ben and Julie, as well as the confirmation she wouldn't be his wife in the future, was to say that in real life, "you don't end up marrying girls you dated as a teenager". Fast-forward to the Time War story arc, Ben's final LoveInterest turns out to be ''Kai Green'', a character he had a crush on ''as a ten years old'' ten-year-old'' and didn't see for five years after that.



** Even though [[TookALevelInJerkass he is significantly less sympathetic than before]], Albedo ''still'' manages to be this: [[spoiler:[[YankTheDogsChain just when he had finally got his Galvan form back]], [[DesignatedHero Azmuth]] decides to inflict him a petty punishment by not only causing him to lose it again, but turning him into a ''11 years old'' Ben this time]]. The final scene of him [[spoiler:crying at the end of ''For A Few Brains More'']] is played for comedy, but some fans felt genuinely sorry for him at this point.

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** Even though [[TookALevelInJerkass he is significantly less sympathetic than before]], Albedo ''still'' manages to be this: [[spoiler:[[YankTheDogsChain just when he had finally got his Galvan form back]], [[DesignatedHero Azmuth]] decides to inflict him a petty punishment by not only causing him to lose it again, but turning him into a ''11 years old'' an ''11-year-old'' Ben this time]]. The final scene of him [[spoiler:crying at the end of ''For A Few Brains More'']] is played for comedy, but some fans felt genuinely sorry for him at this point.



** Proctor Servantis crossed this line ''long'' ago when he [[spoiler: decided to turn a group of orphan children into his own personal army of living super-weapons.]] And to make it even worse, all of this was so he could [[spoiler:murder a completely innocent 11 year old kid just because he ''might'' one day become dangerous to the Universe.]]

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** Proctor Servantis crossed this line ''long'' ago when he [[spoiler: decided to turn a group of orphan children into his own personal army of living super-weapons.]] And to make it even worse, all of this was so he could [[spoiler:murder a completely innocent 11 year old 11-year-old kid just because he ''might'' one day become dangerous to the Universe.]]



** As of "Showdown, Part 1," Psychobos and Malware's plans for the Nemetrix amounted to using it as a glorified distraction. Khyber alone has it now, but as far as the other two's purpose for it, it's largely disappointing. As a matter of fact, Malware is able to pull out his plan of his own ''without using the Nemetrix a single time'', making you wonder why they worked so hard during five years to complete it when just recruiting bounty hunters or killers to distract Azmuth would have worked just as fine.
** In "Showdown Part 1", they introduce the natural predator of the Galvans. Due to its avian nature, some fans believe that it should have been a peacock, using Ben's fear of them to it's advantage. It wasn't.

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** As of "Showdown, Part 1," Psychobos and Malware's plans for the Nemetrix amounted to using it as a glorified distraction. Khyber alone has it now, but as far as the other two's purpose for it, it's largely disappointing. As a matter of fact, Malware is able to pull out his plan of his own ''without using the Nemetrix a single time'', making you wonder why they worked so hard during for five years to complete it when just recruiting bounty hunters or killers to distract Azmuth would have worked just as fine.
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** In "Showdown Part 1", they introduce the natural predator of the Galvans. Due to its avian nature, some fans believe that it should have been a peacock, using Ben's fear of them to it's its advantage. It wasn't.



* ToughActToFollow: One major downside about Malware being an EnsembleDarkhorse is that he was such a great villain he made every single BigBad following him pale in comparison. His two immediate successors ([[DaddysLittleVillain Attea]] and [[EvilTwin Albedo]]) were former minor villains promoted to [[BigBad Big Bads]] with comical quirks (in contrast with Malware being a KnightOfCerebus with a major case of VileVillainSaccharineShow), and an even more iconic villain like Zs'Skayr couldn't compare thanks to his arc being ridiculously short and wrapped up very anti-climatically. Vilgax in the following two-parter and the Rooters in the next arc do seem to have upped the stakes, but the former only lasted two episode while the latter led to a BrokenBase at best. Even Maltruant, the TrueFinalBoss of both the show and franchise is little more than a one not villain whose only saving grace was his [[Creator/MarkHamill voice actor]].

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* ToughActToFollow: One major downside about Malware being an EnsembleDarkhorse is that he was such a great villain he made every single BigBad following him pale in comparison. His two immediate successors ([[DaddysLittleVillain Attea]] and [[EvilTwin Albedo]]) were former minor villains promoted to [[BigBad Big Bads]] with comical quirks (in contrast with Malware being a KnightOfCerebus with a major case of VileVillainSaccharineShow), and an even more iconic villain like Zs'Skayr couldn't compare thanks to his arc being ridiculously short and wrapped up very anti-climatically. Vilgax in the following two-parter and the Rooters in the next arc do seem to have upped the stakes, but the former only lasted two episode while the latter led to a BrokenBase at best. Even Maltruant, the TrueFinalBoss of both the show and franchise is little more than a one not one-shot villain whose only saving grace was his [[Creator/MarkHamill voice actor]].



** Azmuth himself can be this at times. He is supposedly this wise and benevolent ruler, but it's been frequently shown that he can be as much of a jerk as Ben. One prime example is the end of the Duel of the Duplicates arc where [[spoiler: he punishes a defeated Albedo by transforming him back to his Ben form, this time as an 11 year old.]] Many saw that as a needlessly petty KickThemWhileTheyreDown moment, especially considering one of the reasons for Albedo's StartOfDarkness was him being fed up by Azmuth's treatment of him.

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** Azmuth himself can be this at times. He is supposedly this wise and benevolent ruler, but it's been frequently shown that he can be as much of a jerk as Ben. One prime example is the end of the Duel of the Duplicates arc where [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he punishes a defeated Albedo by transforming him back to his Ben form, this time as an 11 year old.11-year-old.]] Many saw that as a needlessly petty KickThemWhileTheyreDown moment, especially considering one of the reasons for Albedo's StartOfDarkness was him being fed up by Azmuth's treatment of him.



*** However, this is somewhat justified in Zak's case. T.G.I.S. takes place three years after ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretSaturdays'' ended. Zak was thirteen at the end of his series but he's sixteen here. (The Saturdays went through a three year time skip, according to Animo and [[spoiler: Argost]] anyway.)

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*** However, this is somewhat justified in Zak's case. T.G.I.S. takes place three years after ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretSaturdays'' ended. Zak was thirteen at the end of his series but he's sixteen here. (The Saturdays went through a three year three-year time skip, according to Animo and [[spoiler: Argost]] anyway.)
16th Feb '18 10:27:36 AM XFllo
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*** Some fans assume that Ben's return to immaturity might be caused by him accentuating his JerkassFacade as a way to prevent himself from getting too serious and as such prevent him from going KnightTemplar like he almost did at the end of ''Ultimate Alien''.
*** Ben could arguably be considered a {{Workaholic}}, if you take his hero work as a job of sorts. He's willing to put everything aside just to fight aliens, becomes bored and antsy after only ''two weeks'' of inactivity, and becomes ''excited'' at the mere mention of an intergalactic threat. His entire life is devoted to doing his job, to the point where he doesn't seem to have anything beyond it. In the previous series' shows he had a life outside his hero work. Here it seems like its all he has. Hell, I don't think he even goes to ''school'' anymore.

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*** Some fans assume that Ben's return to immaturity might be caused by him accentuating his JerkassFacade act on pretending to be a jerk as a way to prevent himself from getting too serious and as such prevent him from going KnightTemplar like he almost did at the end of ''Ultimate Alien''.
*** Ben could arguably be considered a {{Workaholic}}, if you take his hero work as a job of sorts. He's willing to put everything aside just to fight aliens, becomes bored and antsy after only ''two weeks'' of inactivity, and becomes ''excited'' at the mere mention of an intergalactic threat. His entire life is devoted to doing his job, to the point where he doesn't seem to have anything beyond it. In the previous series' shows he had a life outside his hero work. Here it seems like its all he has. Hell, I don't think he even goes to ''school'' anymore.
25th Jan '18 9:37:35 PM Etheru
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** [[TrueFinalBoss Maltruant]] is not particularly well-liked due to being another megalomaniac in a series whose megalomaniac quotient has already been filled and then some, having almost nothing to set himself apart as a unique member of Ben's previous villains (his plan was almost identical to [[WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien Aggregor]]'s, his role as a time-travelling villain already was filled by Eon, and even his name and "RedAndBlackAndEvilAllOver PaletteSwap of one of Ben's aliens" design make him similar to fan-favourite Malware), and being [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter a complete waste of a good concept]] [[Creator/MarkHamill and voice actor]].

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** [[TrueFinalBoss Maltruant]] is not particularly well-liked due to being another megalomaniac in a series whose megalomaniac quotient has already been filled and then some, having almost nothing to set himself apart as a unique member of Ben's previous villains RoguesGallery (his plan was almost identical to [[WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien Aggregor]]'s, his role as a time-travelling villain already was filled by Eon, and even his name and "RedAndBlackAndEvilAllOver PaletteSwap of one of Ben's aliens" design make him similar to fan-favourite Malware), and being [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter a complete waste of a good concept]] [[Creator/MarkHamill and voice actor]].
13th Jan '18 5:52:57 PM Theokal3
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** While the climax of "Showdown, Part 2" is awesome, no clear explanation is given about how [[spoiler:Ben got Feedback back during his fight with Malware; he gets eaten by Malware, has a vision of his past self with which to reconcile his issues about losing Feedback, and then suddenly regains said form even though it was made perfectly clear that the Omnitrix could ''never'' get it back]]. The scene is frankly a huge DeusExMachina. Amusingly enough, [[WordOfGod Matt Wayne himself]] admitted he had no idea what happened during this scene when asked about it. Then again, the Omnitrix Ben is wearing in this Episode was a new one given to him by Azmuth at the end of Ben 10 Ultimate Alien. So it stands to reason that old forms can now be used again.

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** While the climax of "Showdown, Part 2" is awesome, no clear explanation is given about how [[spoiler:Ben got Feedback back during his fight with Malware; he gets eaten by Malware, has a vision of his past self with which to reconcile his issues about losing Feedback, and then suddenly regains said form even though it was made perfectly clear that the Omnitrix could ''never'' get it back]]. The scene is frankly a huge DeusExMachina. Amusingly enough, [[WordOfGod Matt Wayne himself]] admitted he had no idea what happened during this scene when asked about it. Then again, the Omnitrix Ben is wearing in this Episode was a new one given to him by Azmuth at the end of Ben 10 Ultimate Alien. So it stands to reason that old forms can now be used again.
13th Jan '18 4:21:27 PM Resangel
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** While the climax of "Showdown, Part 2" is awesome, no clear explanation is given about how [[spoiler:Ben got Feedback back during his fight with Malware; he gets eaten by Malware, has a vision of his past self with which to reconcile his issues about losing Feedback, and then suddenly regains said form even though it was made perfectly clear that the Omnitrix could ''never'' get it back]]. The scene is frankly a huge DeusExMachina. Amusingly enough, [[WordOfGod Matt Wayne himself]] admitted he had no idea what happened during this scene when asked about it.

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** While the climax of "Showdown, Part 2" is awesome, no clear explanation is given about how [[spoiler:Ben got Feedback back during his fight with Malware; he gets eaten by Malware, has a vision of his past self with which to reconcile his issues about losing Feedback, and then suddenly regains said form even though it was made perfectly clear that the Omnitrix could ''never'' get it back]]. The scene is frankly a huge DeusExMachina. Amusingly enough, [[WordOfGod Matt Wayne himself]] admitted he had no idea what happened during this scene when asked about it. Then again, the Omnitrix Ben is wearing in this Episode was a new one given to him by Azmuth at the end of Ben 10 Ultimate Alien. So it stands to reason that old forms can now be used again.
8th Jan '18 8:41:24 PM TheTroper1
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** The ContinuityPorn, particularly the flashbacks parts and episodes taking place in the original series era when Ben was 11 years old; a lot of fans are glad about it, since it brings back an original series feeling; others feel that it's a bit forced and unnecessary (what's the point of trying to make 16 and 17 years old characters more like their original selves if their original selves will show up in flashback episodes on regular basis anyway?) and will only end up wasting episode that could have been focusing on the plot.

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** The ContinuityPorn, particularly the flashbacks parts and episodes taking place in the original series series' era when Ben was 11 years old; a lot of fans are glad about it, since it brings back an original series feeling; others feel that it's a bit forced and unnecessary (what's the point of trying to make 16 and 17 years old characters more like their original series selves if their original series selves will show up in flashback parts and episodes on a regular basis anyway?) and will only end up wasting episode that could have been focusing on the plot.



* {{Padding}}: In "Frogs of War Part 1", the Randomizer function seems to have been added to the episode just to give a problem to Ben, as it doesn't really add a whole lot to the episode considering Ben's problems and frustrations with the Omnitrix ''already'' (common problems include the time limit's varying length and changing into the wrong alien a lot), and takes up a few minutes in the least. The Omnitrix could have glitched out and there really wouldn't have been much of a difference.

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* {{Padding}}: In "Frogs of War Part 1", the Randomizer function seems to have been added to the episode just to give a problem to Ben, as it doesn't really add a whole lot to the episode considering Ben's Ben has problems and frustrations with the Omnitrix ''already'' (common problems include the time limit's varying length and changing into the wrong alien a lot), and takes up a few minutes in the least. The Omnitrix could have glitched out and there really wouldn't have been much of a difference.
8th Jan '18 8:16:49 PM TheTroper1
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* ContinuityLockout: Perhaps inevitable, considering the fact that the show references elements and brings back threats that haven't been seen in a long while (Megawhatts, a ''one-off'' threat from the first series), as well as coming right after two of the most arc-oriented entries in the franchise. Taken to ridiculous extremes when they use Gorvan, a character who ''only appeared in the first Alien Force video game''. Anyone who has never played the game can't possibly know who he is, yet he is treated like he has always been a recurring villain.

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* ContinuityLockout: Perhaps inevitable, considering the fact that the show references elements and brings back threats that haven't been seen in a long while (Megawhatts, since the Original Series (For example, the Megawatts, who are a ''one-off'' threat from the first original series), as well as coming right after two of the most arc-oriented entries in the franchise. Taken to ridiculous extremes when they use Gorvan, a character who ''only appeared in the first Alien Force video game''. Anyone who has never played the game can't possibly know who he is, yet he is treated like he has always been a recurring villain.



* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: There have been criticisms about the show reusing ideas or concepts from the Original Series, resulting in repetitive parts (such as episode whose scripts seems to be ''[[RecycledScript directly based on original series episodes]]'') or ContinuityPorn that doesn't make much sense (cameo of the Kraken, a creature that wasn't portrayed as an alien in its first appearance, as used by space pirate for a watchdog, or a cameo in present of Exoskull, a villain from ''five years in the future at least'').

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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: There have been criticisms about the show reusing ideas or concepts from the Original Series, resulting in repetitive parts (such as episode whose scripts seems to be ''[[RecycledScript directly based on original series series' episodes]]'') or ContinuityPorn that doesn't make much sense (cameo of the Kraken, a creature that wasn't portrayed as an alien in its first appearance, as used by space pirate for a watchdog, or a cameo in present of Exoskull, a villain from ''five years in the future at least'').



** Hell, the original 11-year old Ben may qualify [[spoiler: when Feedback's DNA is killed right in front of him by Malware.]]

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** Hell, the original 11-year 11 year old Ben may qualify [[spoiler: when Feedback's DNA is killed right in front of him by Malware.]]



* MisBlamed: Quite a few fans blame Derrick Wyatt for the DenserAndWackier nature of the show, but this was actually due to ExecutiveMeddling. Since the original series always gets the best ratings while the super-dark ''Ultimate Alien'' got the worst, the execs wanted ''Omniverse'' to go for a tone closer to the first series, making the writers insert a more comedic tone. Though admittedly, Derrick Wyatt himself did very little effort to discard these accusations, having often hinted at his dislike of ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' on his Twitter account.

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* MisBlamed: Quite a few fans blame Derrick Wyatt for the DenserAndWackier nature of the show, but this was actually due to ExecutiveMeddling. Since the original series always gets the best ratings while the super-dark ''Ultimate Alien'' got the worst, the execs wanted ''Omniverse'' to go for a tone closer to the first series, Original Series, making the writers insert a more comedic tone. Though admittedly, Derrick Wyatt himself did very little effort to discard these accusations, having often hinted at his dislike of ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' on his Twitter account.
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