History YMMV / Ben10Omniverse

18th Feb '17 10:08:25 PM Etheru
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* MisBlamed: Quite a few fans blame Derrick Wyatt for the DenserAndWackier nature of the show, but this was actually due to ExecutiveMeddling. Since the original series always gets the best ratings while the super-dark ''Ultimate Alien'' got the worst, the execs wanted ''Omniverse'' to go for a tone closer to the first series, making the writers insert a more comedic tone. Though admittedly, Derrick Wyatt himself did very little effort to discard these accusations, having often hinted at his dislike of ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' on his tweeter account.

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* MisBlamed: Quite a few fans blame Derrick Wyatt for the DenserAndWackier nature of the show, but this was actually due to ExecutiveMeddling. Since the original series always gets the best ratings while the super-dark ''Ultimate Alien'' got the worst, the execs wanted ''Omniverse'' to go for a tone closer to the first series, making the writers insert a more comedic tone. Though admittedly, Derrick Wyatt himself did very little effort to discard these accusations, having often hinted at his dislike of ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' on his tweeter Twitter account.
2nd Feb '17 12:08:15 PM Theokal3
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* MisBlamed: Quite a few fans blame Derrick Wyatt for the DenserAndWackier nature of the show, but this was actually due to ExecutiveMeddling. Since the original series always gets the best ratings while the super-dark ''Ultimate Alien'' got the worst, the execs wanted ''Omniverse'' to go for a tone closer to the first series, making the writers insert a more comedic tone.

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* MisBlamed: Quite a few fans blame Derrick Wyatt for the DenserAndWackier nature of the show, but this was actually due to ExecutiveMeddling. Since the original series always gets the best ratings while the super-dark ''Ultimate Alien'' got the worst, the execs wanted ''Omniverse'' to go for a tone closer to the first series, making the writers insert a more comedic tone. Though admittedly, Derrick Wyatt himself did very little effort to discard these accusations, having often hinted at his dislike of ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' on his tweeter account.
2nd Feb '17 10:58:43 AM Kindle4Light
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** In "Weapon XI: Part 1", some parts of the series were treated far more seriously than before.
*** Ben's recreation of the universe in "So Long and Thanks for All The Smoothies" was initially treated as just as good as saving it. The only two episodes since then to directly mention it, "Collect This" and "Universe vs Tennyson", had both [[PlayedForLaughs played it for laughs]], with Collectimus complaining about LighterAndSofter as part of his role as a TakeThatAudience and with Starbeard taking Ben to court over it in a showcase of bizarre galactic bureaucracy. Proctor Servantis, however, points out with appropriate horror that ''the universe was destroyed'' and Ben was partly responsible.
*** Ben's irresponsibility in general has usually been PlayedForLaughs, but Servantis argues that the extraordinary power the Omnitrix grants is not the sort of thing you want in the hands of a an immature DestructiveSavior. "Weapon XI: Part 2" ends with the conclusion that Ben, having saved the universe multiple times, was well worth the risk, but Servantis' criticisms cast Ben's less mature actions in a more critical light.

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** ''Malefactor'' has Malware throwing a gasoline truck at a busload of kids, which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that the episode aired ''the next day after the Sandy Hook massacre''.
** Pierce Wheel's death at the hands of the anti-alien Forever Knights is more tragic when it's revealed in ''The Rooters of All Evil'' that he was never part-alien to begin with.
** In "Weapon ''Weapon XI: Part 1", 1'', some parts of the series were treated far more seriously than before.
*** Ben's recreation of the universe in "So ''So Long and Thanks for All The Smoothies" Smoothies'' was initially treated as just as good as saving it. The only two episodes since then to directly mention it, "Collect This" ''Collect This'' and "Universe ''Universe vs Tennyson", Tennyson'', had both [[PlayedForLaughs played it for laughs]], with Collectimus complaining about LighterAndSofter as part of his role as a TakeThatAudience and with Starbeard taking Ben to court over it in a showcase of bizarre galactic bureaucracy. Proctor Servantis, however, points out with appropriate horror that ''the universe was destroyed'' and Ben was partly responsible.
*** Ben's irresponsibility in general has usually been PlayedForLaughs, but Servantis argues that the extraordinary power the Omnitrix grants is not the sort of thing you want in the hands of a an immature DestructiveSavior. "Weapon ''Weapon XI: Part 2" 2'' ends with the conclusion that Ben, having saved the universe multiple times, was well worth the risk, but Servantis' criticisms cast Ben's less mature actions in a more critical light.



** An earlier example. The episode "Malefactor" has Malware throwing a gasoline truck at a busload of kids, which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that the episode aired ''the next day after the Sandy Hook massacre''.
1st Feb '17 5:44:53 AM Silverblade2
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** The final "Time War" story arc of the series didn't impress overall; despite the name, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot this "Time War" never actually is featured in the arc]] and only gets a few passing mentions as a backstory for the main villain, while the season's story involves Maltruant collecting various [[MacGuffin MacGuffins]] through time with the help of two goons for his [[HiddenAgendaVillain Hidden Agenda]] (which [[spoiler:turns out to be a generic "reshape the Universe in my own image" plan]]), and even ''that'' gets little focus in favor of Ben getting together with Kai in a... [[StrangledByTheRedString not very well-handled manner]]. Maltruant himself is considered by most fans a blatant GenericDoomsdayVillain who would be boring if he wasn't voiced by MarkHamill. In addition, this season featured [[MerchandiseDriven a lot of new gimmicks clearly done for the sake of toy promotion]], most of which were [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base-Breaking Characters]] at best (Skurd) and [[TheScrappy Scrappies]] at worst (the Time-cycles).

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** The final "Time War" story arc of the series didn't impress overall; despite the name, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot this "Time War" never actually is featured in the arc]] and only gets a few passing mentions as a backstory for the main villain, while the season's story involves Maltruant collecting various [[MacGuffin MacGuffins]] through time with the help of two goons for his [[HiddenAgendaVillain Hidden Agenda]] (which [[spoiler:turns out to be a generic "reshape the Universe in my own image" plan]]), and even ''that'' gets little focus in favor of Ben getting together with Kai in a... [[StrangledByTheRedString not very well-handled manner]]. Maltruant himself is considered by most fans a blatant GenericDoomsdayVillain who flat vwho would be boring if he wasn't voiced by MarkHamill. In addition, this season featured [[MerchandiseDriven a lot of new gimmicks clearly done for the sake of toy promotion]], most of which were [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base-Breaking Characters]] at best (Skurd) and [[TheScrappy Scrappies]] at worst (the Time-cycles).



** Maltruant; the character is an evil [[TimeMaster Chronosapiens]], is stated to have a connection with a Time War, and on top of that, he is voiced by Creator/MarkHamill. Yet he has absolutely no backstory, no explanation for ''why'' he turned rogue and the Time War he was apparently part of is never explained or elaborated upon, making him come across as a very bland GenericDoomsdayVillain whose voice actor is the sole saving grace. Especially disappointing when you consider he is the series' TrueFinalBoss.

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** Maltruant; the character is an evil [[TimeMaster Chronosapiens]], is stated to have a connection with a Time War, and on top of that, he is voiced by Creator/MarkHamill. Yet he has absolutely no backstory, no explanation for ''why'' he turned rogue and the Time War he was apparently part of is never explained or elaborated upon, making him come across as a very bland GenericDoomsdayVillain villain whose voice actor is the sole saving grace. Especially disappointing when you consider he is the series' TrueFinalBoss.



* ToughActToFollow: One major downside about Malware being an EnsembleDarkhorse is that he was such a great villain he made every single BigBad following him pale in comparison. His two immediate successors ([[DaddysLittleVillain Attea]] and [[EvilTwin Albedo]]) were former minor villains promoted to [[BigBad Big Bads]] with comical quirks (in contrast with Malware being a KnightOfCerebus with a major case of VileVillainSaccharineShow), and an even more iconic villain like Zs'Skayr couldn't compare thanks to his arc being ridiculously short and wrapped up very anti-climatically. Vilgax in the following two-parter and the Rooters in the next arc do seem to have upped the stakes, but the former only lasted two episode while the latter led to a BrokenBase at best. Even Maltruant, the TrueFinalBoss of both the show and franchise is little more than a GenericDoomsdayVillain whose only saving grace was his [[Creator/MarkHamill voice actor]].

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* ToughActToFollow: One major downside about Malware being an EnsembleDarkhorse is that he was such a great villain he made every single BigBad following him pale in comparison. His two immediate successors ([[DaddysLittleVillain Attea]] and [[EvilTwin Albedo]]) were former minor villains promoted to [[BigBad Big Bads]] with comical quirks (in contrast with Malware being a KnightOfCerebus with a major case of VileVillainSaccharineShow), and an even more iconic villain like Zs'Skayr couldn't compare thanks to his arc being ridiculously short and wrapped up very anti-climatically. Vilgax in the following two-parter and the Rooters in the next arc do seem to have upped the stakes, but the former only lasted two episode while the latter led to a BrokenBase at best. Even Maltruant, the TrueFinalBoss of both the show and franchise is little more than a GenericDoomsdayVillain one not villain whose only saving grace was his [[Creator/MarkHamill voice actor]].
18th Jan '17 11:04:14 AM worldofdrakan
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** Many have also pointed out that Psyphon is practically [[{{Yandere}} yandere]] for Vilgax. Some will even go so far as to say that he's [[AmbiguouslyGay ambiguously gay]] for Vilgax. This especially shows in ''Bengeance is Mine'' when Psyphon thinks that Bill Gacks is his master in disguise. He is ''not'' afraid to [[AintTooProudToBeg grovel at Vilgax's feet]] and will do literally anything that is asked of him. ''Anything'' for the master!

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** Many have also pointed out that Psyphon is practically [[{{Yandere}} yandere]] for Vilgax. Some will even go so far as to say that he's [[AmbiguouslyGay ambiguously gay]] for Vilgax.Vilgax because of how often he ''gushes'' about him. This especially shows in ''Bengeance is Mine'' when Psyphon thinks that Bill Gacks is his master in disguise. He is ''not'' afraid to [[AintTooProudToBeg grovel at Vilgax's feet]] and will do literally anything that is asked of him. ''Anything'' for the master!
18th Jan '17 11:03:13 AM worldofdrakan
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** Many have also pointed out that Psyphon is practically [[{{Yandere}} yandere]] for Vilgax. Some will even go so far as to say that he's [[AmbiguouslyGay ambiguously gay]] for Vilgax. This especially shows in ''Bengeance is Mine'' when Psyphon thinks that Bill Gacks is his master in disguise. He is not afraid to [[AintTooProudToBeg grovel at Vilgax's feet]] and will do any thing that is asked of him. ''Anything'' for the master!

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** Many have also pointed out that Psyphon is practically [[{{Yandere}} yandere]] for Vilgax. Some will even go so far as to say that he's [[AmbiguouslyGay ambiguously gay]] for Vilgax. This especially shows in ''Bengeance is Mine'' when Psyphon thinks that Bill Gacks is his master in disguise. He is not ''not'' afraid to [[AintTooProudToBeg grovel at Vilgax's feet]] and will do any thing literally anything that is asked of him. ''Anything'' for the master!
18th Jan '17 11:01:51 AM worldofdrakan
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** Many have also pointed out that Psyphon is practically [[{{Yandere}} yandere]] for Vilgax. Some will even go so far as to say that he's [[AmbiguouslyGay ambiguously gay]] for Vilgax. This especially shows in ''Bengeance is Mine'' when Psyphon thinks that Bill Gacks is his master in disguise. He is not afraid to [[AintTooProudToBeg grovel at Vilgax's feet]] and will do any thing that is asked of him. ''Anything'' for the master!
2nd Jan '17 2:35:03 AM Theokal3
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* ObviousJudas: In a rare HeelFaceTurn example, [[spoiler:Dr. Viktor makes it no secret that he will eventually be the Judas in the midst of Zs'Skayr's henchmen. In ''The Vampire Strikes Back'', Zs'Skayr resurrects Lord Transyl, a member of a [[OurVampiresAreDifferent long-extinct species]] that once enslaved Viktor's people with the intention of ruling the universe together. Viktor voices '''obvious''' disapproval for the scheme, even going so far as to call it "madness," and yet at the very end where Zs'Skayr orders Viktor to hold onto Ben so that Transyl can take control over him, Zs'Skayr is ''still'' [[WhatAnIdiot legitimately shocked]] when Viktor drops Ben at the last second, proclaiming that the Vladats must never rule again.]]

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* ObviousJudas: ObviousJudas:
** [[spoiler:Argit]] in ''Frogs of War part 2''. The character's entire ''hat'' is to betray and double-cross everyone else to save his own skin, so really, nobody was surprised when he betrayed the heroes to Attea.
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In a rare HeelFaceTurn example, [[spoiler:Dr. Viktor makes it no secret that he will eventually be the Judas in the midst of Zs'Skayr's henchmen. In ''The Vampire Strikes Back'', Zs'Skayr resurrects Lord Transyl, a member of a [[OurVampiresAreDifferent long-extinct species]] that once enslaved Viktor's people with the intention of ruling the universe together. Viktor voices '''obvious''' disapproval for the scheme, even going so far as to call it "madness," and yet at the very end where Zs'Skayr orders Viktor to hold onto Ben so that Transyl can take control over him, Zs'Skayr is ''still'' [[WhatAnIdiot legitimately shocked]] when Viktor drops Ben at the last second, proclaiming that the Vladats must never rule again.]]
1st Jan '17 10:17:10 PM worldofdrakan
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* ObviousJudas: In a rare HeelFaceTurn example, [[spoiler:Dr. Viktor makes it no secret that he will eventually be the Judas in the midst of Zs'Skayr's henchmen. In ''The Vampire Strikes Back'', Zs'Skayr resurrects Lord Transyl, a member of a [[OurVampiresAreDifferent long-extinct species]] that once enslaved Viktor's people with the intention of ruling the universe together. Viktor voices '''obvious''' disapproval for the scheme, even going so far as to call it "madness," and yet at the very end where Zs'Skayr orders Viktor to hold onto Ben so that Transyl can take control over him, Zs'Skayr is ''still'' [[WhatAnIdiot legitimately shocked]] when Viktor drops Ben at the last second, proclaiming that the Vladats must never rule again.]]
28th Oct '16 9:21:02 AM dlchen145
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** "Universe VS Tennyson" wastes a Celestialsapien smackdown, something that could have been Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann levels of {{Badass}}, in favor of focusing on a comedic trial against Ben.

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** "Universe VS Tennyson" wastes a Celestialsapien smackdown, something that could have been Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann levels of {{Badass}}, badass, in favor of focusing on a comedic trial against Ben.
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