History YMMV / Ben10Omniverse

13th Aug '16 10:21:08 PM ShadowDJ
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*** Not helping is that it leaves a lot to chance. [[spoiler: one; how did Servantis get to Kevin's mom and change her memories and also her new husband's to gie the idea that she told the stories about him? Two; Dwayne McDuffie himself revealed through WordOfGod that Manny's mom was a Tetramand, so that seems to be a bit of a disrespectful thing to him to remove the work he has done. Four; it makes the death of Ragnarok seem kinda unneeded as it would mean hat he would be in on some plan that Servantis set up. How would he even get that much foresight involved? and five; The plan seems too overly complicated and unnessicary as by this point im time, Ben has saved the universe and is a veteran in a war against the Highbreed. He has no proof of Ben being a threat at all.]] In all, the plot of thi arc is too chatoic to get through all the contradictions.

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*** Not helping is that it leaves a lot to chance. [[spoiler: one; how did Servantis get to Kevin's mom and change her memories and also her new husband's to gie give the idea that she told the stories about him? Plus he would also need to brain wash all the plumbers, not just Max, to keep this ruse around and make evidence of his existence, which would take up a lot of time for a plan that would likely be unable to be used as it would be too much up to chance. Two; Dwayne McDuffie himself revealed through WordOfGod that Manny's mom was a Tetramand, so that seems to be a bit of a disrespectful thing to him to remove the work he has done. Three: what about all the other plumber kids that were mentioned or introduced like Michael Morningstar? Was he not involved with the Rooters? And if so, what does he have to do with the Plumbers? Four; it makes the death of Ragnarok seem kinda unneeded as it would mean hat he would be in on some plan that Servantis set up. How would he even get that much foresight involved? and five; The plan seems too overly complicated and unnessicary unnecessary as by this point im in time, Ben has saved the universe and is a veteran in a war against the Highbreed. He has no proof of Ben being a threat at all.]] In all, the plot of thi this arc is too chatoic to get through all the contradictions.
13th Aug '16 10:14:03 PM ShadowDJ
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*** Not helping is that it leaves a lot to chance. [[spoiler: one; how did Servantis get to Kevin's mom and change her memories and also her new husband's to gie the idea that she told the stories about him? Two; Dwayne McDuffie himself revealed through WordOfGod that Manny's mom was a Tetramand, so that seems to be a bit of a disrespectful thing to him to remove the work he has done. Four; it makes the death of Ragnarok seem kinda unneeded as it would mean hat he would be in on some plan that Servantis set up. How would he even get that much foresight involved? and five; The plan seems too overly complicated and unnessicary as by this point im time, Ben has saved the universe and is a veteran in a war against the Highbreed. He has no proof of Ben being a threat at all.]] In all, the plot of thi arc is too chatoic to get through all the contradictions.
11th Aug '16 12:35:34 PM Theokal3
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** Wait, so [[spoiler:Lucy ''wasn't'' the spy]]? [[SarcasmMode What a surprise]]! After all, it's not like if any viewer would have easily identified her as an obvious RedHerring, especially [[spoiler:since Gwen had next to no reason to suspect her beside her petty dislike of her]]...

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** Wait, so [[spoiler:Lucy ''wasn't'' the spy]]? [[SarcasmMode What a surprise]]! After all, it's not like if any viewer familiar with this kind of story would have easily identified her as an obvious RedHerring, especially [[spoiler:since Gwen had next to no reason to suspect her beside her petty dislike of her]]...
11th Aug '16 11:24:50 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Wait, so [[spoiler:Lucy ''wasn't'' the spy]]? [[SarcasmMode What a surprise]]! After all, it's not like if any GenreSavvy viewer would have easily identified her as an obvious RedHerring, especially [[spoiler:since Gwen had next to no reason to suspect her beside her petty dislike of her]]...

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** Wait, so [[spoiler:Lucy ''wasn't'' the spy]]? [[SarcasmMode What a surprise]]! After all, it's not like if any GenreSavvy viewer would have easily identified her as an obvious RedHerring, especially [[spoiler:since Gwen had next to no reason to suspect her beside her petty dislike of her]]...
19th Jul '16 10:28:05 PM Scabbard
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*** Alternatively, he could be seen as a NightmareFetishist. Throughout the series, and even ''before'' he received the Omnitrix, he has been far more interested in monsters and aliens that want to kill him than is normal for a kid his age. This is pretty evident in Omniverse, as instead of cringing or getting serious at the idea of an intergalactic time war or an intergalactic hunter who tries to kill him and his loved ones, he visibly gets ''excited'', expressed how "cool" and "awesome" it is. Even when things are at peace and everyone is safe from any possible threat, he ''still'' wishes for someone to come back and make a mess of thing again and to put lives in danger. And it's not a matter of him being a JerkAss, or not getting that these are ''serious threats'' that shouldn't be taken lightly. Over the course of the series he is shown to truly care about the people around him and knows from personal experience as to what will happen if even ''one'' of the villains win. Planets will be destroyed, people will die, and it will be all his fault. ''And he gets excited anyway. He looks forward to it.''
** Due to Dimension 23 Tetrax being introduced [[KickTheDog doing actual rampages in a human city]], a lot of fans assume [[spoiler: he is still evil, or at least less moral than his mainstream counterpart, and [[PsychoForHire just happened to have been hired by Azmuth at this point]]. This theory is further supported by the fact mainstream Azmuth has been shown hiring villains before (he did recruit Sunder in ''Ultimate Alien'' to get the Unitrix back). Also lending credence to this theory is that [[BountyHunter Sevenseven]] is also on 23!Azmuth's payroll, and does similar actions.]]
** [[spoiler:Has Phil's mind been completely consumed by his Terroranchula mind, or was he just EvilAllAlong? The episode presents it as the former, but then Phil reappears as a member of the Rooters who has apparently been with them for some time now, which presents a good case for the latter.]]
** Blucik's and Driba's condescending comments on Cerebrocrustaceans being nowhere near as smart as Galvans were probably meant to make us think they were right, but many fans instead interpreted it as the two Galvan being [[FantasticRacism racists toward Cerebrocrustaceans]].

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*** Alternatively, he Ben could be seen as a NightmareFetishist. Throughout the series, and even ''before'' he received the Omnitrix, he has been far more interested in monsters and aliens that want to kill him than is normal for a kid his age. This is pretty evident in Omniverse, as instead of cringing or getting serious at the idea of an intergalactic time war or an intergalactic hunter who tries to kill him and his loved ones, he Ben gets visibly gets ''excited'', expressed expressing how "cool" and "awesome" it the danger is. Even when things are at peace peaceful and everyone is safe from any possible threat, he ''still'' wishes for someone to come back and make a mess of thing again and things to put lives in danger. And it's not a matter of him being a JerkAss, or not getting that these are ''serious threats'' that shouldn't be taken lightly. Over lightly; over the course of the series he series, Ben is shown to truly care about the people around him and knows from personal experience as to what will happen if even ''one'' of the villains win. Planets win: planets will be destroyed, people will die, and it will be all his fault. ''And he gets excited anyway. He looks forward to it.''
** Due to Dimension 23 Tetrax being introduced [[KickTheDog doing actual rampages realistically rampaging in a human city]], a lot of fans assume [[spoiler: he is still evil, or at least less moral than his mainstream counterpart, and [[PsychoForHire just happened to have been hired by Azmuth at this point]]. This theory is further supported by the fact that mainstream Azmuth has been shown hiring villains before (he did recruit Sunder in ''Ultimate Alien'' to get the Unitrix back). Also lending credence to this theory is that [[BountyHunter Sevenseven]] is also on 23!Azmuth's payroll, and does performs similar actions.]]
** [[spoiler:Has Phil's mind been completely consumed by his Terroranchula mind, or was he just EvilAllAlong? The episode presents it as the former, but then Phil reappears as a member of the Rooters who has apparently been with them for some time now, time, which presents a good case for the latter.]]
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** Blucik's Blukic's and Driba's condescending comments on Cerebrocrustaceans being nowhere near as smart as Galvans were probably meant to make us think they were right, but many fans instead interpreted it as the two Galvan being [[FantasticRacism racists toward Cerebrocrustaceans]].



** [[spoiler:Blucick and Driba ''repairing'' the Annihilarg. They might be GeniusDitz, but it's really hard to swallow that they were smart enough to fix a crushed device from an ancient extinct species (plus, who would have been stupid enough to let them touch the remains to begin with?).]]

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** [[spoiler:Blucick [[spoiler:Blukic and Driba ''repairing'' the Annihilarg. They might be GeniusDitz, but it's really hard to swallow that they were smart enough to fix a crushed device from an ancient extinct species (plus, who would have been stupid enough to let them touch the remains to begin with?).]]



** Blucik and Driba are adored by the writing staff; they got two episodes entirely dedicated to them (and the first one, ''Blucik and Driba go to Mr Smoothies'', is one of the writers' favourite episode), a lot of screentime (including in several season finales) and Derrick Wyatt stated he wouldn't mind them having their own spin-off show. Most fans rather see them as an extremely annoying and obnoxious PluckyComicRelief duo [[FantasticRacism with racist tendencies toward Cerebrocrustaceans]], prone to [[TheLoad cause troubles to everybody by their stupidity]] and irresponsability and generally the source of rather bad jokes.

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** Blucik Blukic and Driba are adored by the writing staff; they got two episodes entirely dedicated to them (and the first one, ''Blucik ''Blukic and Driba go to Mr Smoothies'', is one of the writers' favourite episode), a lot of screentime (including in several season finales) and Derrick Wyatt stated he wouldn't mind them having their own spin-off show. Most fans rather see them as an extremely annoying and obnoxious PluckyComicRelief duo [[FantasticRacism with racist tendencies toward Cerebrocrustaceans]], prone to [[TheLoad cause troubles to everybody by their stupidity]] and irresponsability and generally the source of rather bad jokes.



** ''Food Around the Corner'' has this big time; as the Plumbers must organise a fragile peace treaty between the Appoplexians and the Ludoans, those only agree to do it if a Galilean (Gravattack's species) presides the conference, as they are known to be wise and patient. Instead of just finding a real Galilean willing to do the deeds, they decide to use ''[[IdiotHero Ben]]'' (who, remember, retains his usual personnality when transformed) as Gravattack. Instead of just having him use the lock-mode function that was introduced in ''Frog of War'' four episodes ago (though Word of God says he doesn't have the codes for it), which he was shown to be perfectly capable of disactivating by himself, they have [[TooDumbToLive Blucik and Driba]] implant him a device that prevents him from turning back to human, which he cannot shut down by himself. And on top of that, they leave Ben to preside the conference alone, without any com-link device or other mean to contact him should something go wrong. The whole sabotage of the conference could have been avoided had they just avoided half of those mistakes.

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** ''Food Around the Corner'' has this big time; as the Plumbers must organise a fragile peace treaty between the Appoplexians and the Ludoans, those only agree to do it if a Galilean (Gravattack's species) presides the conference, as they are known to be wise and patient. Instead of just finding a real Galilean willing to do the deeds, they decide to use ''[[IdiotHero Ben]]'' (who, remember, retains his usual personnality when transformed) as Gravattack. Instead of just having him use the lock-mode function that was introduced in ''Frog of War'' four episodes ago (though Word of God says he doesn't have the codes for it), which he was shown to be perfectly capable of disactivating by himself, they have [[TooDumbToLive Blucik Blukic and Driba]] implant him a device that prevents him from turning back to human, which he cannot shut down by himself. And on top of that, they leave Ben to preside the conference alone, without any com-link device or other mean to contact him should something go wrong. The whole sabotage of the conference could have been avoided had they just avoided half of those mistakes.



** Comments from Blucik and Driba indicating that Galvans are smarter than Cerebrocrustaceans ''might'' have been an attempt of this trope to those who considered Brainstorm a ReplacementScrappy to Grey Matter, but it didn't exactly work as intended; if anything, it made Blucik and Driba look like [[FantasticRacism racists]].
** Probably unintentional, but those amongst the fans who dislike Blucik and Driba might enjoy this part of dialogue from "Store 23":

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** Comments from Blucik Blukic and Driba indicating that Galvans are smarter than Cerebrocrustaceans ''might'' have been an attempt of this trope to those who considered Brainstorm a ReplacementScrappy to Grey Matter, but it didn't exactly work as intended; if anything, it made Blucik Blukic and Driba look like [[FantasticRacism racists]].
** Probably unintentional, but those amongst the fans who dislike Blucik Blukic and Driba might enjoy this part of dialogue from "Store 23":



--->'''Blucik and Driba''': "Oooooooooh!"

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--->'''Blucik --->'''Blukic and Driba''': "Oooooooooh!"



--->'''Blucik and Driba''' (''disappointed''): "Oooooooh...."

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--->'''Blucik --->'''Blukic and Driba''' (''disappointed''): "Oooooooh...."



** "Showdown Part 2" has the protagonists of all four series ([[TheHero Ben]], [[BadassGrandpa Max]], [[MagicalGirl Gwen]], [[TheAtoner Kevin]], and [[HypercompetentSidekick Rook]]) coming back and teaming up altogether to stop Malware. How do they do so? By splitting up immediately for various tasks, with Ben fighting Malware alone, Rook and Gwen merely acting as pilots and assistant to Azmuth, Max helping Blucik and Driba to repair a station (by giving up his beltbuckle, no less), and Kevin doing absolutely ''nothing'', instead just having a short subplot where he befriends Khyber's pet. In the end, we don't get any stand of all of them against Malware, who Ben defeats on his own, with the sole help of the Galvanic Mechamorphs and Azmuth. Talk about making Ben's friends even more useless in a fight than they were in ''Alien Force''...

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** "Showdown Part 2" has the protagonists of all four series ([[TheHero Ben]], [[BadassGrandpa Max]], [[MagicalGirl Gwen]], [[TheAtoner Kevin]], and [[HypercompetentSidekick Rook]]) coming back and teaming up altogether to stop Malware. How do they do so? By splitting up immediately for various tasks, with Ben fighting Malware alone, Rook and Gwen merely acting as pilots and assistant to Azmuth, Max helping Blucik Blukic and Driba to repair a station (by giving up his beltbuckle, no less), and Kevin doing absolutely ''nothing'', instead just having a short subplot where he befriends Khyber's pet. In the end, we don't get any stand of all of them against Malware, who Ben defeats on his own, with the sole help of the Galvanic Mechamorphs and Azmuth. Talk about making Ben's friends even more useless in a fight than they were in ''Alien Force''...



** Blucik and Driba; the many problems they cause by acting completely stupid and irresponsible don't exactly make them come out as charming, and their comments on Cerebrocrustaceans' intelligence just make them come out as flat-out racist.

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** Blucik Blukic and Driba; the many problems they cause by acting completely stupid and irresponsible don't exactly make them come out as charming, and their comments on Cerebrocrustaceans' intelligence just make them come out as flat-out racist.



** Almost ''everything'' [[TooDumbToLive Blucik and Driba]] do enters in that territory, the cake probably being when they leave their duties to go look for a Mr Smoothie while the Plumbers are in the middle of a crisis.

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** Almost ''everything'' [[TooDumbToLive Blucik Blukic and Driba]] do enters in that territory, the cake probably being when they leave their duties to go look for a Mr Smoothie while the Plumbers are in the middle of a crisis.



** In ''Frogs of War'', Kevin, Gwen, Rook and Blucick trusted ''[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Argit]]'' in their rebellion. This goes as well as you'd expect.

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** In ''Frogs of War'', Kevin, Gwen, Rook and Blucick Blukic trusted ''[[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Argit]]'' in their rebellion. This goes as well as you'd expect.



** For the matter, they also [[spoiler:chose to keep and move ''[[DoomsdayDevice the Anihilarg]]'' after Blucick and Driba fixed it, instead of just destroying it again and dispose of the pieces. No justification is given to explain why they would want to keep it ([[FridgeLogic why would anyone want to have such a device if they can't use it without destroying themselves with it, anyway?]]), and it has been proven in ''So Long And Thanks for the Smoothies'' that destroying it is both easy and without backfire.]] For added stupidity, [[spoiler:it's revealed in ''End of an Era'' that they ''still'' are keeping it in the future, implying ''they never considered the possibility to destroy even after Ben grew into an adult'']].

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** For the matter, they also [[spoiler:chose to keep and move ''[[DoomsdayDevice the Anihilarg]]'' after Blucick Blukic and Driba fixed it, instead of just destroying it again and dispose of the pieces. No justification is given to explain why they would want to keep it ([[FridgeLogic why would anyone want to have such a device if they can't use it without destroying themselves with it, anyway?]]), and it has been proven in ''So Long And Thanks for the Smoothies'' that destroying it is both easy and without backfire.]] For added stupidity, [[spoiler:it's revealed in ''End of an Era'' that they ''still'' are keeping it in the future, implying ''they never considered the possibility to destroy even after Ben grew into an adult'']].
19th Jul '16 10:18:18 PM Scabbard
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** Also, Elena Validus has been confirmed to have a non-speaking cameo coming up and that's it. And it will be as Elena, not as the Hive Queen, meaning she was cured of her condition and her problems from the previous series were resolved ''completely off-screen'': another case of AbortedArc due to Dwayne [=McDuffie's=] AuthorExistenceFailure.

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** Also, Elena Validus has been confirmed to have a non-speaking cameo coming up and that's it. And it will be as Elena, not as the Hive Queen, meaning she was cured of her condition and her problems from the previous series were resolved ''completely off-screen'': off-screen''. Yet another case of AbortedArc due to Dwayne [=McDuffie's=] AuthorExistenceFailure.



** Many fans of the horror-themed Anur aliens were excited at the news of the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Vladats]] (a species which so far had [[AllThereInTheManual only been mentioned in trivia and the Transylians' official bio]]) finally making an appearance in the show, even if only one such character was announced. When said character, Lord Transyl, finally arrived, [[spoiler:he only was there for one episode before being [[AntiClimaxBoss quite easily defeated and disposed of]]]]. Moreover, his powers and personality turned out to be rather generic and bland.

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** Many fans of the horror-themed Anur aliens were excited at by the news of the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Vladats]] (a species which so far had [[AllThereInTheManual only been mentioned in trivia and the Transylians' official bio]]) finally making an appearance in the show, even if only one such character was announced. When said character, Lord Transyl, finally arrived, [[spoiler:he was only was there for one episode before being [[AntiClimaxBoss quite easily defeated and disposed of]]]]. Moreover, his powers and personality turned out to be rather generic and bland.



** Much like in ''Ultimate Alien'', [[spoiler:Eon being an alternate Ben]] is completely glossed over with no attempt to develop [[spoiler:how Ben became Eon in the first place.]]
** Maltruant; the character is an evil [[TimeMaster Chronosapiens]], is stated to have a connection with a Time War, and on top of that, he is voiced by Creator/MarkHamill. Yet he has absolutely no backstory, no explanation for ''why'' he turned rogue and the Time War he apparently was part of is never explained or elaborated upon, making him come up as a very bland GenericDoomsdayVillain whose voice actor is the sole saving grace. Especially disappointing when you consider he is the series' TrueFinalBoss.

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** Much like in ''Ultimate Alien'', [[spoiler:Eon being an alternate Ben]] is completely glossed over with no attempt to develop [[spoiler:how Ben became Eon in the first place.]]
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** Maltruant; the character is an evil [[TimeMaster Chronosapiens]], is stated to have a connection with a Time War, and on top of that, he is voiced by Creator/MarkHamill. Yet he has absolutely no backstory, no explanation for ''why'' he turned rogue and the Time War he apparently was apparently part of is never explained or elaborated upon, making him come up across as a very bland GenericDoomsdayVillain whose voice actor is the sole saving grace. Especially disappointing when you consider he is the series' TrueFinalBoss.



* ToughActToFollow: One major downside about Malware being an EnsembleDarkhorse is that he was such a great villain he made every single BigBad following him pale in comparison. His two immediate successors ([[DaddysLittleVillain Attea]] and [[EvilTwin Albedo]]) were former minor villains promoted to [[BigBad Big Bads]] with comical quirks (in contrast with Malware being a KnightOfCerebus with a major case of VileVillainSaccharineShow), and an even more iconic villain like Zs'Skayr couldn't compare thanks to his arc being ridiculously short and wrapped up very anti-climatically. Vilgax in the following two-parter and the Rooters in the next arc do seem to have upped the stakes, but the former only lasted two episode while the latter led to a BrokenBase at best. Even Maltruant, the TrueFinalBoss of both the show and franchise is little more than a GenericDoomsdayVillain whose only saving grace was his [[MarkHamill voice actor]].

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* ToughActToFollow: One major downside about Malware being an EnsembleDarkhorse is that he was such a great villain he made every single BigBad following him pale in comparison. His two immediate successors ([[DaddysLittleVillain Attea]] and [[EvilTwin Albedo]]) were former minor villains promoted to [[BigBad Big Bads]] with comical quirks (in contrast with Malware being a KnightOfCerebus with a major case of VileVillainSaccharineShow), and an even more iconic villain like Zs'Skayr couldn't compare thanks to his arc being ridiculously short and wrapped up very anti-climatically. Vilgax in the following two-parter and the Rooters in the next arc do seem to have upped the stakes, but the former only lasted two episode while the latter led to a BrokenBase at best. Even Maltruant, the TrueFinalBoss of both the show and franchise is little more than a GenericDoomsdayVillain whose only saving grace was his [[MarkHamill [[Creator/MarkHamill voice actor]].
19th Jul '16 9:54:46 PM Scabbard
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* ToughActToFollow: One major downside about Malware being an EnsembleDarkhorse is that he was such a great villain he made every single BigBad following him look pale by comparison. His two immediate successors ([[DaddysLittleVillain Attea]] and [[EvilTwin Albedo]]) were former minor villains promoted to [[BigBad Big Bads]] with comical quirks (in contrast with him being a KnightOfCerebus with a major case of VileVillainSaccharineShow), and even a more iconic villain such as Zs'Skayr couldn't compare thanks to his arc being ridiculously short and wrapped up very anti-climatically. Vilgax in the following two-parter and the Rooters in the next arc do seem to have upped the stakes, but the former only last two episode while the latter led to a BrokenBase at best. Even Maltruant, the TrueFinalBoss of both the show and franchise is little more than a GenericDoomsdayVillain whose only saving grace was his voice actor.

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* ToughActToFollow: One major downside about Malware being an EnsembleDarkhorse is that he was such a great villain he made every single BigBad following him look pale by in comparison. His two immediate successors ([[DaddysLittleVillain Attea]] and [[EvilTwin Albedo]]) were former minor villains promoted to [[BigBad Big Bads]] with comical quirks (in contrast with him Malware being a KnightOfCerebus with a major case of VileVillainSaccharineShow), and an even a more iconic villain such as like Zs'Skayr couldn't compare thanks to his arc being ridiculously short and wrapped up very anti-climatically. Vilgax in the following two-parter and the Rooters in the next arc do seem to have upped the stakes, but the former only last lasted two episode while the latter led to a BrokenBase at best. Even Maltruant, the TrueFinalBoss of both the show and franchise is little more than a GenericDoomsdayVillain whose only saving grace was his [[MarkHamill voice actor.actor]].
19th Jul '16 9:38:37 PM Scabbard
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Kai and Ben, so much; when the two meet again in ''An American Benwolf in London'', they have just spent six years without seeing each others, and the only time they had meet before their "relationship" only consisted in a one-sided crush from Ben's part and Kai's interest in one of his alien as a pet. Yet, right after meeting again they ''immediatly'' start a SlapSlapKiss dynamic which is accentuated by [[EveryoneCanSeeIt everyone acting like this is proof they love each others]]. The rest of the episode where they meet each others gives no real development, instead keeping them arguing all the time with some very minor ShipTease, and even when we actually see them married in the future they are still constantly arguing (though a bit less violently). The trope actually gets invoked with Ben/Kai in "Fight at the Museum", where they are declared true loves [[BecauseDestinySaysSo because Spanner says so.]] Oh, and Esther actually gives up on Ben and makes way to for Kai because she believes YouCantFightFate.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: Kai and Ben, oh so much; when much. They only knew each for a B-plot of one original series episode where Ben has a one-sided crush on Kai and she only showed a casual, off-handed interest in taming Ben's Blitzwolfer form at the end of the episode which broke Ben's heart. While it is implied in a [[LotusEaterMachine dream of a perfect day for Ben]] that he still harbors feelings for Kai but it was never expanded on. When the two meet again in ''An American Benwolf in London'', they have just spent six years without seeing each others, other and the only time they had meet before their "relationship" only consisted in a one-sided crush from Ben's part and Kai's interest in one of his alien as a pet. Yet, right after meeting again they ''immediatly'' ''immediately'' start a SlapSlapKiss dynamic which where the only attempt to make their relationship more important than the rest of Ben's harem is accentuated by [[EveryoneCanSeeIt everyone acting like this their fighting is proof that they love each others]]. The rest of the episode where they meet each others gives no real development, instead keeping them arguing all the time other]] with some very ''very'' minor ShipTease, and even ShipTease. Even when we actually see them married in the future they are still constantly arguing (though a bit less violently). The trope actually gets invoked with Ben/Kai in "Fight at the Museum", where they are declared true loves [[BecauseDestinySaysSo because Spanner says so.]] Oh, and Esther actually gives up on Ben and makes way to for Kai because she believes YouCantFightFate.
19th Jul '16 8:10:21 PM Scabbard
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** ''Cough It Up'', where Argit swallows the cube that Psyphon was after. When he's told it's a dehydrated Techadon Factory, he simply cont

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** ''Cough It Up'', where Argit swallows the cube that Psyphon was after. When he's told it's a dehydrated Techadon Factory, he simply contcontinues to mock Psyphon. When Ben of all people calls out on not knowing what dehydrated means, you know you did something wrong.
** The Galvans keep their extinct predator and [[spoiler: ''[[TheSociopath Malware's corpse]]'']] in their museum, in a universe where technology that can clone or revive people is ''readily'' abundant. Predictably, Khyber got his hands on the DNA of the former, and [[spoiler:Vilgax got to become stronger due to the latter]].
* WTHCastingAgency:
** In a nutshell, any time they bring back an old alien but find a new voice actor to play him. We got this to some degree with AF and UA, with DeeBradleyBaker voicing ''all'' of Ben's aliens old and new save Rath, but ''he'' is a ManOfAThousandVoices whose portrayal is such that you'll hardly notice. The new ones will make you say "What do you ''mean'' that's supposed to be Cannonbolt?!" However, a lot of the new voices are quite ''appropriate,'' such as [=XLR8=]'s accelerated speech.
** This is definitely in effect for fans of ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretSaturdays'' as many people reacted negatively to the fact that the titular family were voiced by different voice actors in "T.G.I.S." than in the series proper.
*** However, this is somewhat justified in Zak's case. T.G.I.S. takes place three years after ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretSaturdays'' ended. Zak was thirteen at the end of his series but he's sixteen here. (The Saturdays went through a three year time skip, according to Animo and [[spoiler: Argost]] anyway.)
* WinBackTheCrowd: The show has been trying to recapture the magic of the first series. [[BrokenBase Reactions have varied.]] [[InternetBackdraft They have varied a lot.]]
19th Jul '16 8:08:39 PM Scabbard
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** ''Cough It Up'', where Argit swallows the cube that Psyphon was after. When he's told it's a dehydrated Techadon Factory, he simply cont

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** ''Cough It Up'', where Argit swallows the cube that Psyphon was after. When he's told it's a dehydrated Techadon Factory, he simply contcont
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