History YMMV / Ben10AlienForce

17th Feb '17 11:52:11 AM Manny20444
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** Speaking of Paradox, one of the last things he tells Ben in his introduction is [[WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniberse "You're a lot smarter than you were when I met you later"]].

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** Speaking of Paradox, one of the last things he tells Ben in his introduction is [[WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniberse [[WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse "You're a lot smarter than you were when I met you later"]].
25th Jan '17 9:31:31 AM Theokal3
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* NarmCharm: Ben's ReasonYouSuckSpeech to Cash, as well as everyone clapping after it, was kind of cheesy, but it ''really'' shew how much Ben had grown as a character, and many fans were under the impression Cash had been asking for this for a ''long'' time.
24th Jan '17 11:16:53 AM darkabomination
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* GrowingTheBeard: Season 1 didn't really have a clear story arc and included many fillers. Season 2 improved things a bit, continuing previous episodes, giving a slightly clearer progression, rescuing Julie from the Scrappy Heap and actually concluding to a real finale. Sadly, [[SeasonalRot season 3 didn't work that well]].

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* GrowingTheBeard: Season 1 didn't really have a clear story arc and included many fillers.filler episodes that were still good quality and added characterization. Season 2 improved things a bit, continuing previous episodes, giving a slightly clearer progression, rescuing Julie from the Scrappy Heap and actually concluding to a real finale. Sadly, [[SeasonalRot season 3 didn't work that well]].



** Speaking of Paradox, one of the last things he tells Ben in his introduction is [[WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniberse "You're a lot smarter than you were when I met you later"]].



* MisBlamed: When many of fans of the original Ben 10 complained about the questionable changes, they often blamed Creator/ManOfActionStudios for it. Despite the fact Man of Action has little to nothing to do with this show or any other beside the original except serving as executive producers.



* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Argit again. In-universe, he is despised by almost everyone, and seems to have people who want him dead in every part of the galaxy. On the fandom side, on the other hand, you would be surprised to see how many fans love him. Even Derrick J. Wyatt, the one in charge of ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', admitted he thought Argit was the best thing that came out of the Alien Force/Ultimate Alien era.

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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Argit again. In-universe, he is despised by almost everyone, and seems to have people who want him dead in every part of the galaxy. On the fandom side, on the other hand, you would be surprised to see how many fans love him. Even Derrick J. Wyatt, the one in charge of ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', admitted he thought Argit was the best thing that came out of the Alien Force/Ultimate Alien era.era.
* VindicatedByHistory: At the time, the show was bashed by many original series fans for going against the goofier, episodic tone of the original. Nowadays it's widely agreed to have the best balance of humour and seriousness out of the franchise, and the more mature updates to the characters was the thing they needed to finally grow up and take some responsibility, as well as becoming more likable in the process. And while not perfect, it wrapped up its plot threads fairly well and season 3 aside, was a consistent maturation for Ben's character, compared with the widely-criticized Omniverse for undoing nearly all of Ben's more serious qualities and unlikable characters.
28th Oct '16 9:20:30 AM dlchen145
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* NeverLiveItDown: While Vilgax ''did'' suffer DiminishingVillainThreat in Alien Force, he still had his share of BadAss moments, including having a CurbStompBattle with all the Plumbers Helpers ''and Max'', defeating several of Ben's most powerful alien forms (Jetray, Big Chill, Humongousaur and Chromastone) one after the others, destroying a whole ship of his own to free Ghostfreak, having a decent fight with Ghostfreak (which [[spoiler:he won]]) and [[spoiler:actually getting the Omnitrix in the finale, which led to the show's DarkestHour]] . However, the only things most fans retain about his Alien Force incarnation are that he was following a Galactic Code (even through both the series and WordOfGod shew he did it only out of PragmaticVillainy) [[spoiler:and that he got defeated by Diamondhead, who couldn't even scratch him before]].

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* NeverLiveItDown: While Vilgax ''did'' suffer DiminishingVillainThreat in Alien Force, he still had his share of BadAss badass moments, including having a CurbStompBattle with all the Plumbers Helpers ''and Max'', defeating several of Ben's most powerful alien forms (Jetray, Big Chill, Humongousaur and Chromastone) one after the others, destroying a whole ship of his own to free Ghostfreak, having a decent fight with Ghostfreak (which [[spoiler:he won]]) and [[spoiler:actually getting the Omnitrix in the finale, which led to the show's DarkestHour]] . However, the only things most fans retain about his Alien Force incarnation are that he was following a Galactic Code (even through both the series and WordOfGod shew he did it only out of PragmaticVillainy) [[spoiler:and that he got defeated by Diamondhead, who couldn't even scratch him before]].
21st Sep '16 6:50:55 PM nombretomado
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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Argit again. In-universe, he is despised by almost everyone, and seems to have people who want him dead in every part of the galaxy. On the fandom side, on the other hand, you would be surprised to see how many fans love him. Even Derrick J. Wyatt, the one in charge of Ben10Omniverse, admitted he thought Argit was the best thing that came out of the Alien Force/Ultimate Alien era.

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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Argit again. In-universe, he is despised by almost everyone, and seems to have people who want him dead in every part of the galaxy. On the fandom side, on the other hand, you would be surprised to see how many fans love him. Even Derrick J. Wyatt, the one in charge of Ben10Omniverse, ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', admitted he thought Argit was the best thing that came out of the Alien Force/Ultimate Alien era.
16th Jul '16 2:16:20 AM Theokal3
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** Some people complained about things that are established, but are just dropped, or otherwise not elaborated upon (why Ben decided to remove the Omnitrix, which could have tied into him wondering if his job as a hero is worth it, Kevin being EasilyForgiven and almost entirely trusted, among a few other things). ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' tried to amend some of these issues, but explaining what happened during the TimeSkip, but ended up making things work due to a series of pointless retcons.

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** Some people complained about things that are established, but are just dropped, or otherwise not elaborated upon (why Ben decided to remove the Omnitrix, which could have tied into him wondering if his job as a hero is worth it, Kevin being EasilyForgiven and almost entirely trusted, among a few other things). ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' tried to amend some of these issues, but explaining what happened during the TimeSkip, but ended up making things work due to a series of pointless retcons.
15th Jul '16 11:19:56 PM Scabbard
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** Some people complained about things that are established, but are just dropped, or otherwise not elaborated upon (Why Ben decided to remove the Omnitrix, which could have tied into him wondering if his job as a hero is worth it, Kevin being EasilyForgiven and almost entirely trusted, among a few other things). ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' tried to amend some of these issues, but explaining what happened during the TimeSkip, but ended up making things work due to a series of pointless retcons.

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** Some people complained about things that are established, but are just dropped, or otherwise not elaborated upon (Why (why Ben decided to remove the Omnitrix, which could have tied into him wondering if his job as a hero is worth it, Kevin being EasilyForgiven and almost entirely trusted, among a few other things). ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' tried to amend some of these issues, but explaining what happened during the TimeSkip, but ended up making things work due to a series of pointless retcons.
15th Jul '16 11:13:37 PM Scabbard
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* NightmareFuel: Ben turning evil in "Above and Beyond". [[spoiler: It was all a test put by Max in order to see if the kids could handle the Plummer Academy]], but it was still pretty unsettling to see Ben act like a complete psychopath as he toys with the recruits.

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* NightmareFuel: Ben turning evil in "Above and Beyond". [[spoiler: It was all a test put by Max in order to see if the kids could handle the Plummer Plumber Academy]], but it was still pretty unsettling to see Ben act like a complete psychopath as he toys with the recruits.
15th Jul '16 11:13:01 PM Scabbard
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---> '''Manny''':I know you're in here. Come out and show yourself! The others might be afraid, but I'm not scared of you!

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---> '''Manny''':I '''Manny''': I know you're in here. Come out and show yourself! The others might be afraid, but I'm not scared of you!
15th Jul '16 10:46:19 PM Scabbard
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** The name "Plumber" worked in the Original Series because it was a codename used by a secret government organization. This show had them upgraded to SpacePolice whose existence was pretty much common knownledge in most of the galaxy, making the name lose its original context and as such now sound ridiculous and out of place.

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** The name "Plumber" worked in the Original Series because it was a codename used by a secret government organization. This show had them upgraded to SpacePolice whose existence was pretty much common knownledge knowledge in most of the galaxy, making the name lose its original context and as such now sound ridiculous and out of place.
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