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19th May '16 8:33:13 PM Angeldeb82
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* ContestedSequel: Quite a few people treat ''Alien Force'' as this and thus FanonDiscontinuity, mostly because of stuff like [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks making Gwen's magic powers into alien energy manipulation]] and [[{{Retcon}} that a lot of things in]] ''[[{Retcon}} Alien Force]]'' [[{{Retcon}} don't match up and even ignores stuff established in]] [[WesternAnimation/{{Ben10}} the original series]]. Still, some fans ''did'' appreciate this sequel, as noted in BrokenBase above.

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* ContestedSequel: Quite a few people treat ''Alien Force'' as this and thus FanonDiscontinuity, mostly because of stuff like [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks making Gwen's magic powers into alien energy manipulation]] and [[{{Retcon}} that a lot of things in]] ''[[{Retcon}} ''[[{{Retcon}} Alien Force]]'' [[{{Retcon}} don't match up and even ignores stuff established in]] [[WesternAnimation/{{Ben10}} the original series]]. Still, some fans ''did'' appreciate this sequel, as noted in BrokenBase above.
19th May '16 8:32:09 PM Angeldeb82
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** The retcon about Gwen inheriting her affinity with magic[=/=]mana-manipulation powers from her grandmother being an alien. Some saw it as a pointless retcon taking away diversity from the team (based on the idea aliens should be ''Ben'''s gimmick), other think it added more background to the character and reduced her CanonSue side by ''finally'' explaining why she was that good with magic. [[TakeAThirdOption Alternatively, others feel]] [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot the idea was good, but poorly executed due to making it unclear if Gwen's powers were really magic, fully aliens or both.]]

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** The retcon about Gwen inheriting her affinity with magic[=/=]mana-manipulation powers from her grandmother being an alien. Some saw it as a pointless retcon taking away diversity from the team (based on the idea aliens should be ''Ben'''s gimmick), other think it added more background to the character and reduced her CanonSue Canon Sue side by ''finally'' explaining why she was that good with magic. [[TakeAThirdOption Alternatively, others feel]] [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot the idea was good, but poorly executed due to making it unclear if Gwen's powers were really magic, fully aliens or both.]]



* ContestedSequel: Quite a few people treat ''Alien Force'' as this and thus FanonDiscontinuity, mostly because of stuff like [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks making Gwen's magic powers into alien energy manipulation]] and [[RetCon that a lot of things in]] ''[[RetCon Alien Force]]'' [[RetCon don't match up and even ignores stuff established in]] [[WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}} the original series]]. Still, some fans ''did'' appreciate this sequel, as noted in BrokenBase above.

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* ContestedSequel: Quite a few people treat ''Alien Force'' as this and thus FanonDiscontinuity, mostly because of stuff like [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks making Gwen's magic powers into alien energy manipulation]] and [[RetCon [[{{Retcon}} that a lot of things in]] ''[[RetCon ''[[{Retcon}} Alien Force]]'' [[RetCon [[{{Retcon}} don't match up and even ignores stuff established in]] [[WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}} [[WesternAnimation/{{Ben10}} the original series]]. Still, some fans ''did'' appreciate this sequel, as noted in BrokenBase above.



** '''You like Rath, dontcha?''' '''[+Everyone likes Rath!+]''' '''[++[[BoldInflation You know what happens to people who don't like Rath]]? [[CatchPhrase LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING]], GUYS WHO DON'T LIKE RATH!!!++]'''

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** '''You like Rath, dontcha?''' '''[+Everyone likes Rath!+]''' '''[++[[BoldInflation You know what happens to people who don't like Rath]]? Rath?]] [[CatchPhrase LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING]], GUYS WHO DON'T LIKE RATH!!!++]'''



** And even what they did of this plot didn't amount to much. For a series called ''Alien Force'', the only major things thing they did was fight the Highbreed at the end of season 2, get their asses handed to them by Vilgax at the beginning of season 3 and then got [[PutOnTheBus sent off to the Plumber Academy]] after "Above and Beyond". One must wonder what the point to this plot was when pretty much everything important amounted to Ben, Gwen and Kevin (and Max after season 2) doing all the work.

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** And even what they did of this plot didn't amount to much. For a series called ''Alien Force'', the only major things thing they did was fight the Highbreed at the end of season 2, get their asses handed to them by Vilgax at the beginning of season 3 and then got [[PutOnTheBus [[PutOnABus sent off to the Plumber Academy]] after "Above and Beyond". One must wonder what the point to this plot was when pretty much everything important amounted to Ben, Gwen and Kevin (and Max after season 2) doing all the work.
16th Apr '16 12:12:09 PM Angeldeb82
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation:

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:



** Is Vilgax a NobleDemon and a benevolent ruler on Vilgaxia who genuinely cares about his people, or just a [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic villain]] [[VillainWithGoodPublicity who keeps a good image to get their support]]? Was he always like this, or did he change during the five years between this show and the Original Series?

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** Is Vilgax a NobleDemon and a benevolent ruler on Vilgaxia who genuinely cares about his people, or just a [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic villain]] {{pragmatic villain|y}} [[VillainWithGoodPublicity who keeps a good image to get their support]]? Was he always like this, or did he change during the five years between this show and the Original Series?



** The series as a whole started the split in the fanbase that would keep getting worse in the following sequels. While a lot of fans despised the show (see ContestedSequel above) [[FirstInstallmentWins and swear by the Original Series only]], some of them actually loved the DarkerAndEdgier take and found it an improvement for maturing the main characters (particularly [[TookALevelInBadass Ben]]).
** The retcon about Gwen inheriting her affinity with magic[=/=]mana-manipulation powers from her grandmother being an alien. Some saw it as a pointless retcon taking away diversity from the team (based on the idea aliens should be ''Ben'''s gimmick), other think it added more background to the character and reduced her CanonSue side by ''finally'' explaining why she was that good with magic. [[TakeAThirdOption Alternatively, others feel]] [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot the idea was good, but poorly executed due to making it unclear if Gwen's powers were really magic, fully aliens or both]].

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** The series as a whole started the split in the fanbase that would keep getting worse in the following sequels. While a lot of fans despised the show (see ContestedSequel above) ContestedSequel) [[FirstInstallmentWins and swear by the Original Series only]], some of them actually loved the DarkerAndEdgier take and found it an improvement for maturing the main characters (particularly [[TookALevelInBadass Ben]]).
** The retcon about Gwen inheriting her affinity with magic[=/=]mana-manipulation powers from her grandmother being an alien. Some saw it as a pointless retcon taking away diversity from the team (based on the idea aliens should be ''Ben'''s gimmick), other think it added more background to the character and reduced her CanonSue side by ''finally'' explaining why she was that good with magic. [[TakeAThirdOption Alternatively, others feel]] [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot the idea was good, but poorly executed due to making it unclear if Gwen's powers were really magic, fully aliens or both]].both.]]



* CharacterRerailment: Vilgax's characterization and voice (though the voice was done by JohnDimaggio rather than by Creator/SteveBlum) were a bit closer to how he was originally portrayed in [[WesternAnimation/{{Ben10}} the first series]] in the video game ''Vilgax Attacks!''.
* CopyCatSue: Albedo is a possible [[ParodiedTrope parody]]. He got a second Omnitrix, helped create the original, comes back with even more powerful version of it and he got an [[PaletteSwap incredibly simple design]].

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* CharacterRerailment: Vilgax's characterization and voice (though the voice was done by JohnDimaggio Creator/JohnDiMaggio rather than by Creator/SteveBlum) were a bit closer to how he was originally portrayed in [[WesternAnimation/{{Ben10}} the first series]] in the video game ''Vilgax Attacks!''.
* CopyCatSue: Albedo is a possible [[ParodiedTrope parody]]. He got a second Omnitrix, helped create the original, comes back with even more powerful version of it and he got an [[PaletteSwap incredibly simple design]].
Attacks!''.



* CreepyCute: Big Chill could be considered this. While his Reaper-like mannerisms and monotone voice do tend to be rather disturbing to some, it is mostly offset by the eerily beautiful color scheme of his wings and body, as well as an almost feminine, slender appearance.
** His offspring are undisputedly, undeniably this. All together now: [[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/ben10/images/b/b3/Baby_Necrofriggian.png/revision/20141203111441 D'AWWWWWWW!]]



* CreepyCute: Big Chill could be considered this. While his Reaper-like mannerisms and monotone voice do tend to be rather disturbing to some, it is mostly offset by the eerily beautiful color scheme of his wings and body, as well as an almost feminine, slender appearance.
** His offspring are undisputedly, undeniably this. All together now: [[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/ben10/images/b/b3/Baby_Necrofriggian.png/revision/20141203111441 D'AWWWWWWW!]]



* CrossingTheLineTwice: Jarret [[spoiler:[[EatsBabies eating the Tiffin]]]]? Not funny. ''[[TheCynic Kevin]]'' fainting after seeing this? Hilarious.

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* CrossingTheLineTwice: CrossesTheLineTwice: Jarret [[spoiler:[[EatsBabies eating the Tiffin]]]]? Not funny. ''[[TheCynic Kevin]]'' fainting after seeing this? Hilarious.



** And let's not forget the time-travelling [[Series/DoctorWho Doctor]] {{Expy}} Paradox, who even most of the Alien Force haters actually ''love''.

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** And let's not forget the time-travelling [[Series/DoctorWho Doctor]] Series/{{Doctor|Who}} {{Expy}} Paradox, who even most of the Alien Force haters actually ''love''.



* {{Misblamed}}: When many of fans of the original Ben 10 complained about the questionable changes, they often blamed Creator/ManOfActionStudios for it. Despite the fact Man of Action has little to nothing to do with this show or any other beside the original except serving as executive producers.

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* {{Misblamed}}: MisBlamed: When many of fans of the original Ben 10 complained about the questionable changes, they often blamed Creator/ManOfActionStudios for it. Despite the fact Man of Action has little to nothing to do with this show or any other beside the original except serving as executive producers.



* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: Rath [[spoiler:diving into the giant [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans Trigonesque]] alien to rescue the Tiffin and escaping by punching the guys teeth out from the inside and threatening to "knit [his] organs into a sweater" if he tries to retaliate.]]

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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: Rath [[spoiler:diving into the giant [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans Trigonesque]] WesternAnimation/{{T|eenTitans}}rigonesque alien to rescue the Tiffin and escaping by punching the guys teeth out from the inside and threatening to "knit [his] organs into a sweater" if he tries to retaliate.]]



** Ragnarok pretty much loses all credibility when itís revealed the key he was looking for [[spoiler:goes in his ''forehead''.]]

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** Ragnarok pretty much loses all credibility when itís revealed the key he was looking for [[spoiler:goes in his ''forehead''.]]''forehead'']].



** There are many who don't like the Anodite species as a whole, due to what is felt to be a pointless, as well as sometimes incredibly confusing Retcon, with the representatives of the species [[JerkAss not being]] [[BlueAndOrangeMorality very well-regarded either]].

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** There are many who don't like the Anodite species as a whole, due to what is felt to be a pointless, as well as sometimes incredibly confusing Retcon, with the representatives of the species [[JerkAss [[{{Jerkass}} not being]] [[BlueAndOrangeMorality very well-regarded either]].



* SeasonalRot: The third and final season seems to be the least popular overall. Fans of the first two Alien Force seasons mostly dislike it because it took a lighter tone, focused on filler episodes rather than having a story arc and started making Ben immature again, while Original Series fans mostly dislike it due to bringing back Original Series villains only to give them completely different designs and inflicting a major case of DiminishingVillainThreat to Vilgax. Not that it's ''entirely'' hated though, as it ''did'' introduce us to [[EnsembleDarkhorse RATH!!!]]

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* SeasonalRot: The third and final season seems to be the least popular overall. Fans of the first two Alien Force seasons mostly dislike it because it took a lighter tone, focused on filler episodes rather than having a story arc and started making Ben immature again, while Original Series fans mostly dislike it due to bringing back Original Series villains only to give them completely different designs and inflicting a major case of DiminishingVillainThreat to Vilgax. Not that it's ''entirely'' hated though, as it ''did'' introduce us to [[EnsembleDarkhorse RATH!!!]]RATH]]!!!



** Some people complained about things that are established, but are just dropped, or otherwise not elaborated upon (Why Ben decided to remove the Omnitrix, which could have tied into him wondering if his job as a hero is worth it, Kevin being EasilyForgiven and almost entirely trusted, among a few other things). ''Ben10Omniverse'' tried to amend some of these issues, but explaining what happened during the TimeSkip, but ended up making things work due to a series of pointless retcons.

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** Some people complained about things that are established, but are just dropped, or otherwise not elaborated upon (Why Ben decided to remove the Omnitrix, which could have tied into him wondering if his job as a hero is worth it, Kevin being EasilyForgiven and almost entirely trusted, among a few other things). ''Ben10Omniverse'' ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' tried to amend some of these issues, but explaining what happened during the TimeSkip, but ended up making things work due to a series of pointless retcons.
10th Feb '16 2:49:18 PM Snowy66
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** Some people complained about things that are established, but are just dropped, or otherwise not elaborated upon (Why Ben decided to remove the Omnitrix, which could have tied into him wondering if his job as a hero is worth it, Kevin being EasilyForgiven and almost entirely trusted, among a few other things.).

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** Some people complained about things that are established, but are just dropped, or otherwise not elaborated upon (Why Ben decided to remove the Omnitrix, which could have tied into him wondering if his job as a hero is worth it, Kevin being EasilyForgiven and almost entirely trusted, among a few other things.).things). ''Ben10Omniverse'' tried to amend some of these issues, but explaining what happened during the TimeSkip, but ended up making things work due to a series of pointless retcons.
13th Jan '16 4:34:05 PM Azelf2010
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* CreepyCute: Big Chill ould be considered this. While his Reaper-like mannerisms and monotone voice do tend to be rather disturbing to some, it is mostly offset by eerily beautiful color scheme of his wings and body, as well as an almost feminine slender appearance.

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* CreepyCute: Big Chill ould could be considered this. While his Reaper-like mannerisms and monotone voice do tend to be rather disturbing to some, it is mostly offset by the eerily beautiful color scheme of his wings and body, as well as an almost feminine feminine, slender appearance.appearance.
** His offspring are undisputedly, undeniably this. All together now: [[http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/ben10/images/b/b3/Baby_Necrofriggian.png/revision/20141203111441 D'AWWWWWWW!]]
10th Jan '16 8:27:17 PM Snowy66
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: '''You like Rath, dontcha?''' '''[+Everyone likes Rath!+]''' '''[++[[BoldInflation You know what happens to people who don't like Rath]]? [[CatchPhrase LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING]], GUYS WHO DON'T LIKE RATH!!!++]'''

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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'''You like Rath, dontcha?''' '''[+Everyone likes Rath!+]''' '''[++[[BoldInflation You know what happens to people who don't like Rath]]? [[CatchPhrase LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING]], GUYS WHO DON'T LIKE RATH!!!++]'''



** And let's not forget time-travelling [[Series/DoctorWho the Doctor]] {{Expy}} Paradox, who even most of the Alien Force haters actually ''love''.
** Darkstar, one of the [[CreepyAwesome scariest]] [[KnightOfCerebus villains in the series]] and an {{Expy}} of ComicBook/{{Raven}} and Doctor Doom.

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** And let's not forget the time-travelling [[Series/DoctorWho the Doctor]] {{Expy}} Paradox, who even most of the Alien Force haters actually ''love''.
** Darkstar, one of the [[CreepyAwesome scariest]] [[KnightOfCerebus villains in the series]] and an {{Expy}} of ComicBook/{{Raven}} and Doctor Doom.ComicBook/DoctorDoom.



** Michael Mourningstar too, when he doesn't have his zombified face.

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** Michael Mourningstar Morningstar too, when he doesn't have his zombified face.



* TheScrappy: Julie was this for a while, but got RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap midway through the second season. Though some fans consider she fell back into this territory later (See the ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien Ultimate Alien]]'' YMMV page for more details)

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* TheScrappy: Julie was this for a while, but got RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap midway through the second season.season when she was given a purpose other than being a SatelliteLoveInterest with Ship's introduction. Though some fans consider she fell back into this territory later (See the ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien Ultimate Alien]]'' YMMV page for more details)



** Humungousaur is very unpopular in the fanbase, due to Ben [[SpotlightStealingSquad overusing him]] in favor of the more popular aliens like Big Chill and Swampfire, while there are countless SuperStrength aliens who are more creative than him. Doesn't help that his ''one'' unique power ([[SizeShifting growing bigger]]) was seemingly forgotten starting with season 3.

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** Humungousaur is very unpopular in the fanbase, due to Ben [[SpotlightStealingSquad overusing him]] in favor at the expense of the more popular aliens like Big Chill and Swampfire, while there are countless other SuperStrength aliens who are more creative than him. Doesn't help that his ''one'' unique power ([[SizeShifting growing bigger]]) was seemingly forgotten starting with season 3.
29th Dec '15 9:33:33 AM Anddrix
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** Darkstar, one of the [[CreepyAwesome scariest]] [[KnightOfCerebus villains in the series]] and an {{Expy}} of ComicBook/{{Raven}} and SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom.

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** Darkstar, one of the [[CreepyAwesome scariest]] [[KnightOfCerebus villains in the series]] and an {{Expy}} of ComicBook/{{Raven}} and SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom.Doctor Doom.
27th Nov '15 12:22:24 PM Scabbard
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** To a lesser extent, there is a similar split about Kevin being half-alien and [[spoiler:his father being a Plumber who was Max's partner]], though the reasons are slightly different than the one above. While the problem about Kevin being half-alien rather than mutant and removing the diversity remains, fans against this change are mostly complaining it contradicts both the franchise's chronology and Kevin's initial backstory. Those who support it feel it gives a bit more depht and motivations to the character. This would eventually lead to an equally controversial retcon in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse''

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** To a lesser extent, there is a similar split about Kevin being half-alien and [[spoiler:his father being a Plumber who was Max's partner]], though the reasons are slightly different than the one above. While the problem about Kevin being half-alien rather than mutant and removing the diversity remains, fans against this change are mostly complaining it contradicts both the franchise's chronology and Kevin's initial backstory. Those who support it feel it gives a bit more depht depth and motivations to the character. This would eventually lead to an equally controversial retcon in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse''
18th Nov '15 6:56:53 PM Scabbard
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** And let's not forget time-travelling [[Series/DoctorWho the Doctor]] {{Expy}} Paradox, whose even most of the Alien Force haters actually ''love''.

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** And let's not forget time-travelling [[Series/DoctorWho the Doctor]] {{Expy}} Paradox, whose who even most of the Alien Force haters actually ''love''.
18th Oct '15 1:24:24 PM Theokal3
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** The name "Plumber" worked in the Original Series because it was a codename used by a secret government organization. This show had them upgraded to SpacePolice whose existence was pretty much common knownledge in most of the galaxy, making the name lose its original context and as such now sound ridiculous and out of place.
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