History YMMV / Ben10AlienForce

27th Apr '18 12:56:34 PM Isaac_Heller
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* RomanticPlotTumor: Gwen and Kevin, quite often.

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* RomanticPlotTumor: Gwen and Kevin, quite often. For one famous example, they forced an emotional subplot about the turmoil their relationship was going through due to Kevin's mutation...in an episode with a central plot revolving around ''aliens that poop gold.'' To say there was some tonal whiplash is an understatement.



* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Argit again. In-universe, he is despised by almost everyone, and seems to have people who want him dead in every part of the galaxy. On the fandom side, on the other hand, you would be surprised to see how many fans love him. Even Derrick J. Wyatt, the one in charge of ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', admitted he thought Argit was the best thing that came out of the Alien Force/Ultimate Alien era.

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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Argit again. In-universe, he is despised by almost everyone, and seems to have people who want him dead in every part of the galaxy. On the fandom side, on the other hand, you would be surprised to see how many fans love him. Even Derrick J. Wyatt, the one in charge of ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', admitted he thought Argit was the best thing that came out of the Alien ''Alien Force/Ultimate Alien Alien'' era.
27th Apr '18 12:54:36 PM Isaac_Heller
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* VindicatedByHistory: At the time, the show was bashed by many original series fans for going against the goofier, episodic tone of the original. Nowadays it's widely agreed to have the best balance of humor and seriousness out of the franchise (whereas the following two shows both took things too far in one direction), and the more mature updates to Ben and Gwen was the thing they needed to finally grow up and take some responsibility, as well as becoming more likable in the process. And while not perfect, it wrapped up its plot threads fairly well and ([[SeasonalRote season 3 aside]]), was a consistent maturation for Ben's character, compared with the widely-criticized ''Omniverse'' for undoing nearly all of Ben's more serious qualities and making him more unlikable.

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* VindicatedByHistory: At the time, the show was bashed by many original series fans for going against the goofier, episodic tone of the original. Nowadays it's widely agreed to have the best balance of humor and seriousness out of the franchise (whereas the following two shows both took things too far in one direction), and the more mature updates to Ben and Gwen was the thing they needed to finally grow up and take some responsibility, as well as becoming more likable in the process. And while not perfect, it wrapped up its plot threads fairly well and ([[SeasonalRote ([[SeasonalRot season 3 aside]]), was a consistent maturation for Ben's character, compared with the widely-criticized ''Omniverse'' for undoing nearly all of Ben's more serious qualities and making him more unlikable.
27th Apr '18 12:54:09 PM Isaac_Heller
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* BadassDecay: Kevin and Vilgax suffer a lot of this. The general consensus is that Kevin got better in Season 3 (something that is even lampshaded in "Time Heals"), but Vilgax (ironically only featuring in that very season) never recaptured his former glory.

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* BadassDecay: Kevin and Vilgax suffer a lot of this. The general consensus is that Kevin got better in Season 3 after he received a new mutation (something that is even lampshaded in "Time Heals"), but Vilgax (ironically only featuring in that very season) never recaptured his former glory.



* CriticalBacklash: While the show is by no mean flawless, it's definitely not as bad as [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks Original Series fans tend to describe it]]. The first two seasons, especially, are considered quite good of their own by a lot of fans.

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* CriticalBacklash: While the show is by no mean flawless, it's definitely not as bad as [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks Original Series fans tend to describe it]]. The first two seasons, especially, especially the second, are considered quite good of their own by a lot of fans.



* NeverLiveItDown: While Vilgax ''did'' suffer DiminishingVillainThreat in Alien Force, he still had his share of badass moments, including having a CurbStompBattle with all the Plumbers Helpers ''and Max'', defeating several of Ben's most powerful alien forms (Jetray, Big Chill, Humongousaur and Chromastone) one after the others, destroying a whole ship of his own to free Ghostfreak, having a decent fight with Ghostfreak (which [[spoiler:he won]]) and [[spoiler:actually getting the Omnitrix in the finale, which led to the show's DarkestHour]] . However, the only things most fans retain about his ''Alien Force'' incarnation are that he was following a Galactic Code (even through both the series and WordOfGod shew he did it only out of PragmaticVillainy), [[spoiler: that he got defeated by Diamondhead, who couldn't even scratch him before, and that he had a ridiculous-looking "true form"]].
** While Julie did got RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, a lot of Alien Force haters just aren't willing to accept her and still consider her a SatelliteLoveInterest.

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* NeverLiveItDown: While Vilgax ''did'' suffer DiminishingVillainThreat in Alien Force, he still had his share of badass moments, including having a CurbStompBattle with all the Plumbers Helpers ''and Max'', defeating several of Ben's most powerful alien forms (Jetray, Big Chill, Humongousaur and Chromastone) one after the others, destroying a whole ship of his own to free Ghostfreak, having a decent fight with Ghostfreak (which [[spoiler:he won]]) and [[spoiler:actually getting the Omnitrix in the finale, which led to the show's DarkestHour]] . However, the only things most fans retain about his ''Alien Force'' incarnation are that he was following a Galactic Code (even through both the series and WordOfGod shew show he did it only out of PragmaticVillainy), [[spoiler: that he got defeated by Diamondhead, who couldn't even scratch him before, and that he had a ridiculous-looking "true form"]].
** While Julie did got RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, a lot of Alien Force haters just aren't willing viewers still were unwilling to accept her and still consider considered her a SatelliteLoveInterest.SatelliteLoveInterest whom Ben was better off without. To be fair, [[DerailingLoveInterests the second season of the following show didn't help.]]



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: General opinion is that this happened to Julie midway through season two, thanks to the show developing her bound with [[CoolPet Ship]].

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: General opinion is that this happened to Julie midway through season two, Season 2, thanks to the show developing her bound with [[CoolPet Ship]].



* SeasonalRot: The third and final season seems to be the least popular overall. Fans of the first two Alien Force seasons mostly dislike it because it took a lighter tone, focused on filler episodes rather than having a story arc and started making Ben immature again, while Original Series fans mostly dislike it due to bringing back Original Series villains only to give them completely different designs and inflicting a major case of DiminishingVillainThreat to Vilgax. Not that it's ''entirely'' hated though, as it ''did'' introduce us to [[EnsembleDarkhorse RATH]]!!!

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* SeasonalRot: The third and final season seems to be the least popular overall. Fans of the first two Alien Force ''Alien Force'' seasons mostly dislike it because it took a lighter tone, focused on filler episodes rather than having a story arc and started making Ben immature again, while Original Series fans mostly dislike it due to bringing back Original Series villains only to give them completely different designs and and/or characterizations, particularly inflicting a major case of DiminishingVillainThreat to Vilgax. Not that it's ''entirely'' hated though, as it ''did'' introduce us to [[EnsembleDarkhorse RATH]]!!!



* VindicatedByHistory: At the time, the show was bashed by many original series fans for going against the goofier, episodic tone of the original. Nowadays it's widely agreed to have the best balance of humour and seriousness out of the franchise, and the more mature updates to the characters was the thing they needed to finally grow up and take some responsibility, as well as becoming more likable in the process. And while not perfect, it wrapped up its plot threads fairly well and season 3 aside, was a consistent maturation for Ben's character, compared with the widely-criticized Omniverse for undoing nearly all of Ben's more serious qualities and introducing unlikable characters.

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* VindicatedByHistory: At the time, the show was bashed by many original series fans for going against the goofier, episodic tone of the original. Nowadays it's widely agreed to have the best balance of humour humor and seriousness out of the franchise, franchise (whereas the following two shows both took things too far in one direction), and the more mature updates to the characters Ben and Gwen was the thing they needed to finally grow up and take some responsibility, as well as becoming more likable in the process. And while not perfect, it wrapped up its plot threads fairly well and ([[SeasonalRote season 3 aside, aside]]), was a consistent maturation for Ben's character, compared with the widely-criticized Omniverse ''Omniverse'' for undoing nearly all of Ben's more serious qualities and introducing unlikable characters.making him more unlikable.
27th Apr '18 12:47:42 PM Isaac_Heller
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* GrowingTheBeard: Season 1 didn't really have a clear story arc and included many filler episodes that were still good quality and added characterization. Season 2 improved things a bit, continuing previous episodes, giving a slightly clearer progression, rescuing Julie from the Scrappy Heap and actually concluding to a real finale. Sadly, [[SeasonalRot season 3 didn't work that well]].

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* GrowingTheBeard: Season 1 didn't really have a clear story arc after the first six episodes, and included many filler although the remaining episodes that were still mostly good quality and added characterization. characterization, it was easy to forget what the point of the series was to begin with. Season 2 improved things a bit, continuing making elements from previous episodes, episodes matter, giving a slightly clearer progression, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rescuing Julie from the Scrappy Heap Heap]] and actually concluding to in a real finale. Sadly, [[SeasonalRot season 3 didn't work that well]].



* MemeticLoser: As noted in NeverLiveItDown, [[ArchEnemy Vilgax]] is constantly seen as a poor villain and a joke in this series due to the VillainDecay he suffered. While said decay is real, it's nowhere near the level fans tend to attribute him.

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* MagnificentBastard: Darkstar in this series certainly had shades of this. [[VillainDecay It didn't carry over into the later shows.]]
* MemeticLoser: As noted in NeverLiveItDown, [[ArchEnemy Vilgax]] is constantly seen as a poor villain and a joke in this series due to the VillainDecay he suffered. While said decay is real, it's nowhere near the level fans tend to attribute him.him - he's still a major threat and nowhere close to an IneffectualSympatheticVillain, he's just not on the [[OneManArmy same]] [[TheJuggernaut level]] he was in the original show.



* NarmCharm: Ben's ReasonYouSuckSpeech to Cash, as well as everyone clapping after it, was kind of cheesy, but it ''really'' shew how much Ben had grown as a character, and many fans were under the impression Cash had been asking for this for a ''long'' time.
* NeverLiveItDown: While Vilgax ''did'' suffer DiminishingVillainThreat in Alien Force, he still had his share of badass moments, including having a CurbStompBattle with all the Plumbers Helpers ''and Max'', defeating several of Ben's most powerful alien forms (Jetray, Big Chill, Humongousaur and Chromastone) one after the others, destroying a whole ship of his own to free Ghostfreak, having a decent fight with Ghostfreak (which [[spoiler:he won]]) and [[spoiler:actually getting the Omnitrix in the finale, which led to the show's DarkestHour]] . However, the only things most fans retain about his Alien Force incarnation are that he was following a Galactic Code (even through both the series and WordOfGod shew he did it only out of PragmaticVillainy) [[spoiler:and that he got defeated by Diamondhead, who couldn't even scratch him before]].

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* NarmCharm: Ben's ReasonYouSuckSpeech to Cash, as well as everyone clapping after it, was kind of cheesy, but it ''really'' shew shows how much Ben had grown as a character, and many fans were under the impression Cash had been asking for this for a ''long'' time.
* NeverLiveItDown: While Vilgax ''did'' suffer DiminishingVillainThreat in Alien Force, he still had his share of badass moments, including having a CurbStompBattle with all the Plumbers Helpers ''and Max'', defeating several of Ben's most powerful alien forms (Jetray, Big Chill, Humongousaur and Chromastone) one after the others, destroying a whole ship of his own to free Ghostfreak, having a decent fight with Ghostfreak (which [[spoiler:he won]]) and [[spoiler:actually getting the Omnitrix in the finale, which led to the show's DarkestHour]] . However, the only things most fans retain about his Alien Force ''Alien Force'' incarnation are that he was following a Galactic Code (even through both the series and WordOfGod shew he did it only out of PragmaticVillainy) [[spoiler:and PragmaticVillainy), [[spoiler: that he got defeated by Diamondhead, who couldn't even scratch him before]].before, and that he had a ridiculous-looking "true form"]].
9th Feb '18 1:22:28 AM Scsigs
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* MemeticMolester: Darkstar could almost rival [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans Slade]] in this department. Really, you could make reasonable arguments that fanfics despicting him as a rapist are not ''that'' OutOfCharacter with him, especially since he canonically ''is'' a stalker toward Gwen.

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* MemeticMolester: Darkstar could almost rival [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans Slade]] in this department. Really, you could make reasonable arguments that fanfics despicting depicting him as a rapist are not ''that'' OutOfCharacter with him, especially since he canonically ''is'' a stalker toward Gwen.



* {{Narm}}: Vilgax's so-called ultimate form? [[spoiler:A giant green octopus.]] Sad because it could have been a great scene if not for limited efforts on the design and a fight that is not even seen onscreen.

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* {{Narm}}: Vilgax's so-called ultimate form? [[spoiler:A giant green octopus.]] Sad because it could have been a great scene if not for limited efforts on the design and a fight that is not even seen onscreen.on screen.
22nd Jan '18 11:58:17 AM GainfulGastropodian
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* MemeticBadass: Rath himself. List of achievements from his first appearance alone: Defeating The Vreedle Brothers and the other aliens they hired (Alongside Gwen and Kevin), Jumped into space without a suit and took down the entire crew of an Incursean Battle Ship alone (Sans The Commander), Defeated Vulcanus, [[spoiler:Dove head first into Jarett's mouth to retrieve The Tiffin that he (Jarett) ate]], [[spoiler:Threatened Jarett when he tried to declare war.]], and finally, [[spoiler:threatened the Lewodan Ambassador for tricking him (Ben/Rath)]]. And he just keeps getting more awesome with each appearance.
20th Jan '18 8:08:06 PM TheTroper1
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*** Ben wanting to remove the Omnitrix was explained in ''Film/Ben10RaceAgainstTime''. He just wanted to have a normal life after Eon nearly corrupted him.
5th Jan '18 4:23:40 AM BrightLight
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* VindicatedByHistory: At the time, the show was bashed by many original series fans for going against the goofier, episodic tone of the original. Nowadays it's widely agreed to have the best balance of humour and seriousness out of the franchise, and the more mature updates to the characters was the thing they needed to finally grow up and take some responsibility, as well as becoming more likable in the process. And while not perfect, it wrapped up its plot threads fairly well and season 3 aside, was a consistent maturation for Ben's character, compared with the widely-criticized Omniverse for undoing nearly all of Ben's more serious qualities and unlikable characters.

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* VindicatedByHistory: At the time, the show was bashed by many original series fans for going against the goofier, episodic tone of the original. Nowadays it's widely agreed to have the best balance of humour and seriousness out of the franchise, and the more mature updates to the characters was the thing they needed to finally grow up and take some responsibility, as well as becoming more likable in the process. And while not perfect, it wrapped up its plot threads fairly well and season 3 aside, was a consistent maturation for Ben's character, compared with the widely-criticized Omniverse for undoing nearly all of Ben's more serious qualities and introducing unlikable characters.
22nd Dec '17 5:17:20 AM Silverblade2
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* BaseBreaker: The ten new aliens Ben gets at the beginning of the show started out as this, due to most of them having powers that were essentially combinations of previous forms. Some fans saw them as blatant and lazy rip-offs, other perceived it as a clever way to have Ben get new aliens while still retaining a set of powers they were familiar with, and believed the powers had been merged creatively enough to make them interesting. However, with time they have come to be accepted by the fandom (some like Big Chill even becoming {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s), and those who still criticize them as rip-off now mostly consists of really hard-core Original Series fans.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: The ten new aliens Ben gets at the beginning of the show started out as this, due to most of them having powers that were essentially combinations of previous forms. Some fans saw them as blatant and lazy rip-offs, other perceived it as a clever way to have Ben get new aliens while still retaining a set of powers they were familiar with, and believed the powers had been merged creatively enough to make them interesting. However, with time they have come to be accepted by the fandom (some like Big Chill even becoming {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s), and those who still criticize them as rip-off now mostly consists of really hard-core Original Series fans.
20th Sep '17 7:24:09 PM Galaxithea
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** Ben's transformation into Ghostfreak in "Ghost Town". Highlights include massive spikes emerging from his spine as he hunches over and his [[BodyHorror skull turning upside down]] as his mouth [[SlasherSmile curls into a smile that would give the Joker nightmares.]].

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** Ben's transformation into Ghostfreak in "Ghost Town". Highlights include massive spikes emerging from his spine as he hunches over and his [[BodyHorror skull turning upside down]] as his mouth [[SlasherSmile curls into a smile that would give the Joker nightmares.]].]]
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