History YMMV / BeastWars

4th Apr '17 2:33:00 PM DevinMeenan
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* JerkassWoobie: Dinobot, Blackarachnia and, to a much lesser degree, Rampage.

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Dinobot, Blackarachnia and, to a much lesser degree, Rampage.Rampage.
** Waspinator may be a Predacon who never shows any ''truly'' heroic traits, but his eternal ButtMonkey status definitely makes him pitiable.
3rd Apr '17 1:13:16 AM DevinMeenan
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*** For that matter, why did he [[spoiler: let Depth Charge kill him in the GrandFinale, and laugh while doing so? Was it because Rampage was a DeathSeeker and his laughter was euphoria over his torturous existence finally ending? Or was it a way of further corrupting Depth Charge and his laughter was him taking solace in that Depth Charge [[HeWhoFightsMonsters had become exact kind of monster he had wanted to kill?]]]] Note that, like Rampage in general, the two interpretations aren't mutually exclusive.

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*** For that matter, why did he [[spoiler: let Depth Charge kill him in the GrandFinale, and laugh while doing so? Was it because Rampage was a DeathSeeker and his laughter was euphoria over his torturous existence finally ending? Or was it a way of further corrupting Depth Charge and his laughter was him taking solace in that Depth Charge [[HeWhoFightsMonsters had become the exact kind of monster he had wanted to kill?]]]] Note that, like Rampage in general, the two interpretations aren't mutually exclusive.
23rd Mar '17 9:35:56 AM DevinMeenan
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* Rampage. Is he a twisted, sinister monster, or a tortured, tormented misfit? "Both" is an option, but between the other two options, there was a voice for each... and there still will be if you bring up the topic in the right place.
** For that matter, why did he [[spoiler: let Depth Charge kill him in the GrandFinale, and laugh while doing so? Was it because Rampage was a DeathSeeker and his laughter was euphoria over his torturous existence finally ending? Or was it a way of further corrupting Depth Charge and his laughter was him taking solace in that Depth Charge [[HeWhoFightsMonsters had become exact kind of monster he had wanted to kill?]]]] Note that, like Rampage in general, the two interpretations aren't mutually exclusive.

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* ** Rampage. Is he a twisted, sinister monster, or a tortured, tormented misfit? "Both" is an option, but between the other two options, there was a voice for each... and there still will be if you bring up the topic in the right place.
** *** For that matter, why did he [[spoiler: let Depth Charge kill him in the GrandFinale, and laugh while doing so? Was it because Rampage was a DeathSeeker and his laughter was euphoria over his torturous existence finally ending? Or was it a way of further corrupting Depth Charge and his laughter was him taking solace in that Depth Charge [[HeWhoFightsMonsters had become exact kind of monster he had wanted to kill?]]]] Note that, like Rampage in general, the two interpretations aren't mutually exclusive.
23rd Mar '17 9:34:04 AM DevinMeenan
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Rampage. Is he a twisted, sinister monster, or a tortured, tormented misfit? "Both" is an option, but between the other two options, there was a voice for each... and there still will be if you bring up the topic in the right place.

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Rampage. Is he a twisted, sinister monster, or a tortured, tormented misfit? "Both" is an option, but between the other two options, there was a voice for each... and there still will be if you bring up the topic in the right place.place.
** For that matter, why did he [[spoiler: let Depth Charge kill him in the GrandFinale, and laugh while doing so? Was it because Rampage was a DeathSeeker and his laughter was euphoria over his torturous existence finally ending? Or was it a way of further corrupting Depth Charge and his laughter was him taking solace in that Depth Charge [[HeWhoFightsMonsters had become exact kind of monster he had wanted to kill?]]]] Note that, like Rampage in general, the two interpretations aren't mutually exclusive.
18th Mar '17 8:05:33 PM overman2099
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** The number of times Megatron has cloned Dinobot and/or his beast mode tends to make Megatron come off as a jilted lover who never truly got over the first Dinobot turning on him to join the Maximals.
1st Mar '17 6:27:59 AM RCFU200
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** Megatron. Despite being a fairly charismatic and silver-tongued character, Megatron himself gets very little love in-canon. It goes without saying that the Maximals despise him. But even when it comes to his own Predacon troops, Megatron has almost little to no grassroots support. Dinobot made no secret of the fact that he considered Megatron an incompetent leader as soon as they landed on earth and challenged him for leadership of the Predacons. Terrorsaur always tries to overthrow him whenever the opportunity presents itself. Waspinator is always complaining about the menial labor that Megatron gives him. Both Tarantulas and Blackarachnia constantly work to undermine him through more devious and underhanded schemes. Quickstrike can always be persuaded to turn against Megatron through the persuasions of a more charismatic and intelligent 'bot like Tarantulas. And Rampage absolutely hates his guts and would kill him brutally in an instant if not for the fact that Megatron held part of his spark as leverage. Even Predacons in a position of power back on Cybertron such as the Tripredacus Council consider Megatron a rogue and a nuisance who needs to be brought to heel and the agent they sent, Ravage himself, has no respect for Megatron or his pretensions(he ONLY sides with Megatron once Megatron presents him with an offer that's too good to pass up which would have completely assured a Decepticon victory and an absolute Autobot defeat). Of all the Predacons, only Scorponok and Inferno absolutely like him without question and even in Inferno's case, it can be argued that Inferno isn't really of sound mind, considering how scrambled his circuits were after scanning an ant beast mode, having a damaged stasis pod, and Tarantulas tampering with his core programming. Pretty much of all the characters on the show, only Scorponok can be considered the only character of (relatively)sound mind who genuinely likes Megatron. Out-of-universe, however, Megatron is beloved by the Transformers fanbase and even after several years of new TF reboots, BW Megatron is still considered THE best incarnation of Megatron by a lot of fans no matter how much he's universally disliked in the show itself.

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** Megatron. Despite being a fairly charismatic and silver-tongued character, Megatron himself gets very little love in-canon. It While it goes without saying that the Maximals despise him. But even him, when it comes to his own Predacon troops, Megatron has almost little to no grassroots support. In the pilot, Dinobot made no secret of the fact that he considered Megatron an incompetent leader as soon as they landed on earth and challenged him for leadership of the Predacons. Terrorsaur always tries to overthrow him whenever the opportunity presents itself. Waspinator is always complaining about the menial labor that Megatron gives him. Both Tarantulas and Blackarachnia constantly work to undermine him through more devious and underhanded schemes. Quickstrike can always be persuaded to turn against Megatron through the persuasions of a more charismatic and intelligent 'bot like Tarantulas. And Rampage absolutely hates his guts and would kill him brutally in an instant if not for the fact that Megatron held part of his spark as leverage. [[spoiler: Dinobot II, though loyal intailly, turns on Megatron in the finale]]. It can also be argued that Inferno (one of Megatron's loyalest troops) isn't really of sound mind, considering how scrambled his circuits were after scanning an ant beast mode, having a damaged stasis pod, and Tarantulas tampering with his core programming. Even Predacons in a position of power back on Cybertron such as the Tripredacus Council consider Megatron a rogue and a nuisance who needs to be brought to heel and the agent they sent, Ravage himself, has no respect for Megatron or his pretensions(he pretensions (he ONLY sides with Megatron once Megatron presents him with an offer that's too good to pass up which would have completely assured a Decepticon victory and an absolute Autobot defeat). up). Of all the Predacons, only Scorponok and Inferno absolutely like him without question and even in Inferno's case, it can be argued that Inferno isn't really of sound mind, considering how scrambled his circuits were after scanning an ant beast mode, having a damaged stasis pod, and Tarantulas tampering with his core programming. Pretty much of all the characters on the show, only Scorponok can be considered the only character of (relatively)sound (relatively) sound mind who genuinely likes Megatron. Out-of-universe, however, Megatron is beloved by the Transformers fanbase and even after several years of new TF reboots, BW Megatron is still considered THE best incarnation of Megatron by a lot of fans no matter how much he's universally disliked in the show itself.
2nd Feb '17 8:45:37 PM Angeldeb82
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Rampage. Is he a twisted, sinister monster, or a tortured, tormented misfit? "Both" is an option, but between the other two options, there was a voice for each... and there still will be if you bring up the topic in the right place.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Rampage. Is he a twisted, sinister monster, or a tortured, tormented misfit? "Both" is an option, but between the other two options, there was a voice for each... and there still will be if you bring up the topic in the right place.



** "Optimal Situation". A decent action-packed Season 3 opener or an [[{{Anticlimax}} anti-climactic]] finish to "The Agenda" trilogy, and the beginning of the end where the show become more [[ExecutiveMeddling toy-oriented]]?

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** "Optimal Situation". A decent action-packed Season 3 opener or an [[{{Anticlimax}} [[AntiClimax anti-climactic]] finish to "The Agenda" trilogy, and the beginning of the end where the show become more [[ExecutiveMeddling toy-oriented]]?



** Of the toy-only characters who didn't make it into the show, Razorbeast is quite popular with fans. This is largely due to Simon Furman's usage of him in IDW's ''Beast Wars'' comics, where he's portrayed as a snarky and stern yet kind-hearted GuileHero. (And the fact that [[Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir Will Smith was looking for him since October.]])

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** Of the toy-only characters who didn't make it into the show, Razorbeast is quite popular with fans. This is largely due to Simon Furman's usage of him in IDW's ''Beast Wars'' comics, where he's portrayed as a snarky and stern yet kind-hearted GuileHero. (And the fact that [[Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir Will Smith was looking for him since October.]])October]].)



* FauxSymbolism: During [[spoiler:the final battle between Megatron and Optimus Primal]], they start quoting passages from the [[HollywoodApocrypha Code of Primus]].



** In "Call of the Wild", Terrorsaur jokingly states, "Hunting from the air with automatic weapons—now ''that's'' a sport!". Some took note of this later because of a few prominent [[SarahPalin Republican]] [[RickPerry Governors]] would come to echo this sentiment, though OlderThanYouThink can also apply.

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** In "Call of the Wild", Terrorsaur jokingly states, "Hunting from the air with automatic weapons—now ''that's'' a sport!". sport!" Some took note of this later because of a few prominent [[SarahPalin Republican]] [[RickPerry Governors]] would come to echo this sentiment, though OlderThanYouThink OlderThanTheyThink can also apply.



** In his very last words of the entire series, Rattrap muses with a smirk, "And you know what the best part is? We don't have to see Megatron's ugly butt again 'till we get back to Cybertron!" [[WesternAnimation/BeastMachines How right you are, Rattrap]]. [[CrapsackWorld How right you are]].
** Rhinox laughing off his brief stint of being reprogrammed into a Predacon, and the other Maximals laughing it off with him (except former Predacon Dinobot) becomes a lot less funny [[spoiler:after ''Beast Machines'', where both he and Silverbolt are reprogrammed as evil Vehicons, which also makes it harder not to wince at Silverbolt's own NiceGuy personality in this series.]]

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** In his very last words of the entire series, Rattrap muses with a smirk, "And you know what the best part is? We don't have to see Megatron's ugly butt again 'till we get back to Cybertron!" [[WesternAnimation/BeastMachines How right you are, Rattrap]]. Rattrap.]] [[CrapsackWorld How right you are]].
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** Rhinox laughing off his brief stint of being reprogrammed into a Predacon, and the other Maximals laughing it off with him (except former Predacon Dinobot) becomes a lot less funny [[spoiler:after ''Beast Machines'', where both he and Silverbolt are reprogrammed as evil Vehicons, which also makes it harder not to wince at Silverbolt's own NiceGuy personality in this series.]]series]].



** Rhinox is green and gold. His VO artist, Richard Newman, would go on to play a [[Literature/{{Franklin}} father whose colors are green and gold....]]
* {{HSQ}}: Extremely high during the season finales and two-parters.

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** Rhinox is green and gold. His VO artist, Richard Newman, would go on to play a [[Literature/{{Franklin}} father whose colors are green and gold....]]
gold]]...
* {{HSQ}}: HolyShitQuotient: Extremely high during the season finales and two-parters.



* SpecialEffectsFailure: The early episodes (obviously, due to technology limitations) look like crap, there's also several other moments which combine this with OffModel (such as Rattrap reverting to his old CG model in ''Code of Hero''). Plus there's seams on several of organic beast modes if you look closely.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: SpecialEffectFailure: The early episodes (obviously, due to technology limitations) look like crap, there's also several other moments which combine this with OffModel (such as Rattrap reverting to his old CG model in ''Code of Hero''). Plus there's seams on several of organic beast modes if you look closely.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: During [[spoiler:the final battle between Megatron and Optimus Primal]], they start quoting passages from the [[HollywoodApocrypha Code of Primus]].



** Transmutate. She's a misshapen, childlike being who [[spoiler:died trying to stop her/its only friends from hurting each other.]]


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** Transmutate. She's a misshapen, childlike being who [[spoiler:died trying to stop her/its only friends from hurting each other.]]

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27th Jan '17 10:12:01 AM overman2099
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the third season, the writers focused on Blackarachnia's redemption arc and while she was clearly meant to be rooted for, there were several factors that worked against her and she didn't quite come off as a sympathetic or fully likeable character. For one thing, Blackarachnia complained multiple times how the Maximals didn't trust her but she had spent most of the first two seasons attacking the Maximals and unlike Dinobot, she had much more bad blood with them. Plus, she had previously been the one who had (unintentionally) led Megatron to the Ark in the first place in her quest to get all the power of the Ark for herself, allowing Megatron a chance to try to assassinate Optimus Prime and create a timestorm so when she finally turned against Megatron out of self-preservation, she didn't exactly build a strong foundation of trust with the Maximals to begin with. There was also the fact that she didn't act any differently under the Maximals than she did Megatron, secretly stealing equipment from the ship and the Transmetal driver Depth Charge had tried to throw into the lava to work her own agenda in secrecy. And despite some mistrust between her and the Maximals, they did make some attempts to give her a chance because in "Proving Grounds," Rattrap did relent and allow Silverbolt to go retrieve Blackarachnia without snitching on them, despite the dislike he had for her at the time. At the end of the episode, Optimus himself tells Blackarachnia that the Maximals had no plans of turning her into Maximal and the choice to change her programming was hers alone.\\

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the third season, the writers focused on Blackarachnia's redemption arc and while she was clearly meant to be rooted for, there were several factors that worked against her and she didn't quite come off as a fully sympathetic or fully likeable character. For one thing, one, Blackarachnia complained multiple times how the Maximals didn't trust her but she had spent most of the first two seasons attacking the Maximals and unlike Dinobot, she had much more bad blood with them. Plus, she had previously been the one who had (unintentionally) led Megatron to the Ark in the first place in her a quest to get all the power of the Ark for herself, allowing Megatron a chance to try to assassinate Optimus Prime and create a timestorm so when she finally turned against Megatron out of self-preservation, she didn't exactly build a strong foundation of trust with the Maximals to begin with. There was also the fact that she didn't act any differently under the Maximals than she did Megatron, secretly stealing equipment from the ship and the Transmetal TMII driver Depth Charge had tried to throw thrown into the lava to work her own agenda in secrecy. And despite some mistrust between her and the Maximals, they did make some attempts to give her a chance because in "Proving Grounds," Rattrap did relent relented and allow allowed Silverbolt to go retrieve Blackarachnia without snitching on them, despite the his dislike he had for her at the time. her. At the end of the episode, Optimus himself tells Blackarachnia that the Maximals had no plans of turning her into Maximal and the choice to change be reprogrammed into a Maximal was her programming was hers choice alone.\\
26th Jan '17 11:20:17 AM overman2099
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the third season, the writers focused on Blackarachnia's redemption arc and while she was clearly meant to be rooted for, there were several factors that worked against her and she didn't quite come off as a sympathetic or fully likeable character. For one thing, Blackarachnia complained multiple times how the Maximals didn't trust her but she had spent most of the first two seasons attacking the Maximals and unlike Dinobot, she had much more bad blood with them. Plus, she had previously been the one who had (unintentionally) led Megatron to the Ark in the first place in her quest to get all the power of the Ark for herself, allowing Megatron a chance to try to assassinate Optimus Prime and create a timestorm so when she finally turned against Megatron out of self-preservation, she didn't exactly build a strong foundation of trust with the Maximals to begin with. There was also the fact that she didn't act any differently under the Maximals than she did Megatron, secretly stealing equipment from the ship and the Transmetal driver Depth Charge had tried to throw into the lava to work her own agenda in secrecy. And despite some mistrust between her and the Maximals, they did make some attempts to give her a chance because in "Proving Grounds," Rattrap did relent and allow Silverbolt to go retrieve Blackarachnia without snitching on them, despite the dislike he had for her at the time. At the end of the episode, Optimus himself tells Blackarachnia that the Maximals had no plans of turning her into Maximal and the choice to change her programming was hers alone.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the third season, the writers focused on Blackarachnia's redemption arc and while she was clearly meant to be rooted for, there were several factors that worked against her and she didn't quite come off as a sympathetic or fully likeable character. For one thing, Blackarachnia complained multiple times how the Maximals didn't trust her but she had spent most of the first two seasons attacking the Maximals and unlike Dinobot, she had much more bad blood with them. Plus, she had previously been the one who had (unintentionally) led Megatron to the Ark in the first place in her quest to get all the power of the Ark for herself, allowing Megatron a chance to try to assassinate Optimus Prime and create a timestorm so when she finally turned against Megatron out of self-preservation, she didn't exactly build a strong foundation of trust with the Maximals to begin with. There was also the fact that she didn't act any differently under the Maximals than she did Megatron, secretly stealing equipment from the ship and the Transmetal driver Depth Charge had tried to throw into the lava to work her own agenda in secrecy. And despite some mistrust between her and the Maximals, they did make some attempts to give her a chance because in "Proving Grounds," Rattrap did relent and allow Silverbolt to go retrieve Blackarachnia without snitching on them, despite the dislike he had for her at the time. At the end of the episode, Optimus himself tells Blackarachnia that the Maximals had no plans of turning her into Maximal and the choice to change her programming was hers alone. \\
26th Jan '17 11:19:36 AM overman2099
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