History YMMV / Bayonetta

10th Jan '17 12:21:08 AM drac0blade
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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler:[[FinalBoss Jubileus]] getting punched into the sun]].

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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler:[[FinalBoss Jubileus]] getting punched kicked into the sun]].
10th Jan '17 12:12:43 AM drac0blade
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*** {{Moviebob}}, in his guise as The Game Overthinker, believes Bayonetta is not so much sexually appealing as much as she is ''[[http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2010/02/episode-32-i-heart-bayonetta.html sexually intimidating]]'', and feels she is unique in this regard.

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*** {{Moviebob}}, in his guise as The Game Overthinker, believes Bayonetta is not so much sexually appealing as much as she is ''[[http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2010/02/episode-32-i-heart-bayonetta.html sexually intimidating]]'', ''sexually intimidating'', and feels she is unique in this regard.
10th Jan '17 12:11:31 AM drac0blade
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* LGBTFanbase: With her levels of {{Camp}}, hypersexuality, crazy fighting gimmicks, and delightfully bitchy attitude, Bayonetta has become something of an icon among gay gamers. Plus there's the LesYay between her and Jeanne. As pointed out in [[http://gaygamer.net/2014/10/bayonetta-the-great-exception/ this analysis]] of her character, her level of over-the-topness practically makes her a DragQueen.
-->'''Writer:''' It's enough for the Gay Vatican to dismantle the stained-glass Creator/{{Cher}} portrait in front of the rectory!

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* LGBTFanbase: With her levels of {{Camp}}, hypersexuality, crazy fighting gimmicks, and delightfully bitchy attitude, Bayonetta has become something of an icon among gay gamers. Plus there's the LesYay between her and Jeanne. As pointed out in [[http://gaygamer.net/2014/10/bayonetta-the-great-exception/ this analysis]] of her character, her Her level of over-the-topness practically makes her a DragQueen.
-->'''Writer:''' It's enough for the Gay Vatican to dismantle the stained-glass Creator/{{Cher}} portrait in front of the rectory!
DragQueen.
29th Dec '16 10:21:38 AM Morgenthaler
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* EvilIsCool: Balder. He looks silly, but he's so {{Badass}} and AffablyEvil that he utterly steals the show.

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* EvilIsCool: Balder. He looks silly, but he's so {{Badass}} badass and AffablyEvil that he utterly steals the show.



** There is a decent amount of artwork featuring both Dante and Bayonetta, often as a couple, and has been around ''even before the game was released''. Not surprising, considering many things. Both characters are the brainchild of the same guy and feature the same sort of gameplay. They could even be considered the DistaffCounterpart of one another, as they are equally {{Badass}} while one fights [[TheLegionsOfHell demons]] and the other fights [[LightIsNotGood angels]], but both are mostly on humanity's side. Even more interestingly, and also featured in fanarts, is that this contrast could lead into them facing one another - which would be indisputably ''awesome'' - but be it OppositesAttract or FoeYay, the chemistry needed for {{Shipping}} would be there, and it would be more than enough. There's arguably a bit of ShipSinking with Bayonetta claiming to not be fond of the talkative type, but then again, her way of treating her talkative enemies is the same way Dante applies to his.

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** There is a decent amount of artwork featuring both Dante and Bayonetta, often as a couple, and has been around ''even before the game was released''. Not surprising, considering many things. Both characters are the brainchild of the same guy and feature the same sort of gameplay. They could even be considered the DistaffCounterpart of one another, as they are equally {{Badass}} badass while one fights [[TheLegionsOfHell demons]] and the other fights [[LightIsNotGood angels]], but both are mostly on humanity's side. Even more interestingly, and also featured in fanarts, is that this contrast could lead into them facing one another - which would be indisputably ''awesome'' - but be it OppositesAttract or FoeYay, the chemistry needed for {{Shipping}} would be there, and it would be more than enough. There's arguably a bit of ShipSinking with Bayonetta claiming to not be fond of the talkative type, but then again, her way of treating her talkative enemies is the same way Dante applies to his.
28th Nov '16 1:14:04 PM KingZeal
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** {{Moviebob}}, in his guise as The Game Overthinker, believes Bayonetta is not so much sexually appealing as much as she is ''[[http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2010/02/episode-32-i-heart-bayonetta.html sexually intimidating]]'', and feels she is unique in this regard.
** There is quite a debate on Bayonetta's sex appeal nature. Is she blatant adolescence pandering, or is she a satire of said pandering? And if it is the latter, does it fall into the DoNotDoThisCoolThing problem?
** Bayonetta is a witch who is allied with the forces of Hell, the type of character that is ''usually'' evil, but in a setting, lampoons the traditional concepts. So in this camp setting, she's likely supposed to satirize the EvilIsSexy cliché.

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** Bayonetta herself gets a ton of it.
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{{Moviebob}}, in his guise as The Game Overthinker, believes Bayonetta is not so much sexually appealing as much as she is ''[[http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2010/02/episode-32-i-heart-bayonetta.html sexually intimidating]]'', and feels she is unique in this regard.
** *** There is quite a debate on Bayonetta's sex appeal nature. Is she blatant adolescence pandering, or is she a satire of said pandering? And if it is the latter, does it fall into the DoNotDoThisCoolThing problem?
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problem? The way she's characterized and framed by the narrative is also called into question often; unlike most videogame characters, we don't get into Bayonetta's head much. Critics have described her as being "kept at arm's length"--basically a character to watch and ogle, but not one to identify with or understand.
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Bayonetta is a witch who is allied with the forces of Hell, the type of character that is ''usually'' evil, but in a setting, lampoons the traditional concepts. So in this camp setting, she's likely supposed to satirize the EvilIsSexy cliché.
*** She might also be a StepfordSmiler. Think about it, how do you cope with the fact you're ''doomed''? You've entered a bargain with the Devil, you've ''accepted'' eternal damnation in exchange for your powers, you have no way out, and sooner or later, he's going to come and collect. Maybe her dry wit and sex appeal nature is her way of keeping sane and blocking it out of her mind.



** She might also be a StepfordSmiler. Think about it, how do you cope with the fact you're ''doomed''? You've entered a bargain with the Devil, you've ''accepted'' eternal damnation in exchange for your powers, you have no way out, and sooner or later, he's going to come and collect. Maybe her dry wit and sex appeal nature is her way of keeping sane and blocking it out of her mind.
12th Oct '16 12:50:43 AM Eagal
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* BrokenBase:
** The motionless models used in certain cut-scenes. Some argue that it was a creative way to make the game stand-out, as well as likely a eay to save large amounts of the budget for actual gameplay sections, not to mention a great way to slow down the pace to allow the over-the-top fight scenes to seem even more impressive. Others, however, argue that it comes off as more lazy than a style choice.

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* BrokenBase:
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BrokenBase: The motionless models used in certain cut-scenes. Some argue that it was a creative way to make the game stand-out, as well as likely a eay to save large amounts of the budget for actual gameplay sections, not to mention a great way to slow down the pace to allow the over-the-top fight scenes to seem even more impressive. Others, however, argue that it comes off as more lazy than a style choice.



* EvilIsSexy: ''Hoo boy.''



** The Durga-Kilgore glitch. Let's put it in perspective: The second-best halo-farming method in the game only nets around 1 million halos per run, and can take upwards of 4 minutes each. The Durga-Kilgore combo? Not only does it blow that 1 million out of the water with [[UpToEleven upwards of 13 million]] (TakeThat, [[AdamSmithHatesYourGuts Adam Smith!]]), it also [[{{Cap}} maxes out the combo score]] in a lot of the scenes.



* GoddamnedBats: The Decorations and Enchants are this, sort of. Although they are not the worst examples.

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* ** The Durga-Kilgore glitch, which lets you unleash an infinite combo using a specific set of weapons, and thereby gets huge amounts of halo and combat score points.
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GoddamnedBats: The Decorations and Enchants are this, sort of. Although they are not the worst examples.this.



** And again, the Durga-Kilgore glitch, but one can debate if this is really a glitch or if it was deliberate.

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** %%** And again, the Durga-Kilgore glitch, but one can debate if this is really a glitch or if it was deliberate.glitch



* NarmCharm: Par for the course.

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* NarmCharm: Par for the course.%%* NarmCharm



* PortingDisaster: However, the UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 version of the game is seen as inferior. Platinum Games handed over the code to Sega for the finalization process on that platform, which lead to noticeably reduced frame rates, poor textures, extremely intrusive and long loading times, and other technical issues. Platinum has even stated that because of this, they flat-out refuse to outsource their games to outside studios for porting ever again. The [=PS3=] version later received a patch that allows you to install the game to the [=PS3=]'s hard drive, largely cutting the loading times. However, the other most glaring issues with frame rates and textures remain unaddressed.

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* PortingDisaster: However, the The UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 version of the game is seen as inferior. Platinum Games handed over the code to Sega for the finalization process on that platform, which lead to noticeably reduced frame rates, poor textures, extremely intrusive and long loading times, and other technical issues. Platinum has even stated that because of this, they flat-out refuse to outsource their games to outside studios for porting ever again. The [=PS3=] version later received a patch that allows you to install the game to the [=PS3=]'s hard drive, largely cutting the loading times. However, the other most glaring issues with frame rates and textures remain unaddressed.



* {{Scrub}}: One of these may come out in video comments to signal that using the Kilgore glitch is cheating and that if you do it you're not really skilled.
12th Oct '16 12:42:58 AM Eagal
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* JustForFun/ComeForTheXStayForTheY: Come for the fanservice, stay for the fluid, high-paced action. Or the other way around.



* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: If you subscribe to the idea that ''Bayonetta'' is a ''satire'' of oversexualized female video game characters.
18th Aug '16 4:32:46 PM TheBuddy26
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* PortingDisaster: The UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 version of the game is seen as inferior. Platinum Games handed over the code to Sega for the finalization process on that platform, which lead to noticeably reduced frame rates, poor textures, extremely intrusive and long loading times, and other technical issues. Platinum has even stated that because of this, they flat-out refuse to outsource their games to outside studios for porting ever again. The [=PS3=] version later received a patch that allows you to install the game to the [=PS3=]'s hard drive, largely cutting the loading times. However, the other most glaring issues with frame rates and textures remain unaddressed.

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* PortingDisaster: The However, the UsefulNotes/PlayStation3 version of the game is seen as inferior. Platinum Games handed over the code to Sega for the finalization process on that platform, which lead to noticeably reduced frame rates, poor textures, extremely intrusive and long loading times, and other technical issues. Platinum has even stated that because of this, they flat-out refuse to outsource their games to outside studios for porting ever again. The [=PS3=] version later received a patch that allows you to install the game to the [=PS3=]'s hard drive, largely cutting the loading times. However, the other most glaring issues with frame rates and textures remain unaddressed.unaddressed.
** WordOfGod clarified this by stating the bulk of the game's development was on 360 hardware.
11th Jul '16 12:37:04 AM Mr_Doom
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** The motionless models used in certain cut-scenes. Some argue that it was a creative way to make the game stand-out, as well as likely a eay to save large amounts of the budget for actual gameplay sections, not to mention a great way to slow down the pace to allow the over-the-top fight scenes to seem even more impressive. Others, however, argue that it comes off as more lazy than a style choice,

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** The motionless models used in certain cut-scenes. Some argue that it was a creative way to make the game stand-out, as well as likely a eay to save large amounts of the budget for actual gameplay sections, not to mention a great way to slow down the pace to allow the over-the-top fight scenes to seem even more impressive. Others, however, argue that it comes off as more lazy than a style choice,choice.
10th Jul '16 2:55:47 AM Mr_Doom
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** The motionless models used in certain cut-scenes. Some argue that it was a creative way to make the game stand-out, not to mention a great way to slow down the pace to allow the over-the-top fight scenes to seem even more impressive. Others, however, argue that it comes off as more lazy than a style choice, and grinds the action to a halt in a game that is already watered down with cut-scenes that keep the player from the actual game-play.
** For that matter, the sheer preponderance of cut-scenes in general. Many fans are in agreement the gameplay is top-rate, but having to sit through several minutes of cut-scenes just ruins it. Worse yet, the game sometimes punishes the player if they choose to skip the cut-scenes, since sometimes important objectives to further the plot can happen in them[[note]]The prologue chapter is an infamous example, having several very long cut-scenes, one of which shows Enzo being whisked away by Angels. This scene actually is important since it can be very hard to know you have to chase down Enzo by jumping off a cliff otherwise if you skipped it[[/note]].

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** The motionless models used in certain cut-scenes. Some argue that it was a creative way to make the game stand-out, as well as likely a eay to save large amounts of the budget for actual gameplay sections, not to mention a great way to slow down the pace to allow the over-the-top fight scenes to seem even more impressive. Others, however, argue that it comes off as more lazy than a style choice, and grinds the action to a halt in a game that is already watered down with cut-scenes that keep the player from the actual game-play.
** For that matter, the sheer preponderance of cut-scenes in general. Many fans are in agreement the gameplay is top-rate, but having to sit through several minutes of cut-scenes just ruins it. Worse yet, the game sometimes punishes the player if they choose to skip the cut-scenes, since sometimes important objectives to further the plot can happen in them[[note]]The prologue chapter is an infamous example, having several very long cut-scenes, one of which shows Enzo being whisked away by Angels. This scene actually is important since it can be very hard to know you have to chase down Enzo by jumping off a cliff otherwise if you skipped it[[/note]].
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