History YMMV / BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker

12th Feb '18 12:13:01 PM N8han11
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** On the other hand, [[spoiler:even before this movie came out, you had a wide share of technology and genetics from both the Batman and Superman shows; even if CADMUS and Justice League were only a twinkle in Bruce Timm's eye. Not to mention the idea of a former Robin turning into the new Joker was done in Creator/FrankMiller Comicbook/TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain, where Dick Grayson of all people tries to kill Bruce and his superheroed allies, which was one of the most criticized plot points in a whole sea of them]].
*** [[spoiler: Magic and aliens exist in the DCAU at the same time, along with Greek Gods and what have you. A body altering microchip is hardly unthinkable in a place where the unthinkable is another day at the office.]]
*** There's also the fact that such a plot could be considered assassination of Tim Drake's character, and would have reduced this film's Joker to an imitator as opposed to the real deal.
12th Jan '18 12:43:33 PM Zeiss
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** [[spoiler:Harley Quinn, of all people,]] became a mother and eventually even a ''grandmother''? At least in [[ComicBook/InjusticeGodsAmongUs an alternate universe/franchise]] it looks like.
29th Oct '17 4:46:22 AM CrowTR0bot
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** A former BigBad who seemingly died has come back to life through [[spoiler: nanotechnology attached to another character]]. Are we talking about the resurrection of The Joker or [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots Liquid Snake/Ocelot?]]
18th Oct '17 5:45:07 AM Manny20444
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* JustHereForGodzilla: There are a some people who view the film only for the Joker's death and the events leading up to it.

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* JustHereForGodzilla: There are a some people who view the film only for the flashback sequence featuring the Joker's death and the events leading up to it.
18th Oct '17 5:12:27 AM mrluntishysterical
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* JustHereForGodzilla: There are a some people who view the film only for the Joker's death and the events leading up to it.
15th Apr '17 7:28:32 PM maxwellsilver
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** Even for the Joker, the events of ''Return of the Joker'' were extreme. Not even Harley Quinn gets a get out free card after helping with that. [[spoiler: Although she survives anyways, [[WordOfGod thanks to her quasi-superpowered vitality after Poison Ivy made her nervous system immune to all poisons]] [[ContinuityNod back in]] ''[[ContinuityNod Batman: The Animated Series]]''.]] Even Creator/MarkHamill, who had been voicing the Joker for years at this point, felt uncomfortable with the role this time.

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** Even for the Joker, the events of ''Return of the Joker'' were extreme. Not even Harley Quinn gets a get out free card after helping with that. [[spoiler: Although she survives anyways, [[WordOfGod thanks to her quasi-superpowered vitality after Poison Ivy made her nervous system immune to all poisons]] [[ContinuityNod poisons back in]] ''[[ContinuityNod Batman: in ''Batman: The Animated Series]]''.Series''.]] Even Creator/MarkHamill, who had been voicing the Joker for years at this point, felt uncomfortable with the role this time.
14th Apr '17 10:02:42 AM SorPepita
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** On the other hand, [[spoiler:even before this movie came out, you had a wide share of technology and genetics from both the Batman and Superman shows; even if CADMUS and Justice League were only a twinkle in Bruce Timm's eye. Not to mention the idea of a former Robin turning into the new Joker was done in Creator/FrankMiller Comicbook/TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain, where Dick Grayson off all people tries to kill Bruce and his superheroed allies, which was one of the most criticized plot points in a whole sea of them]].

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** On the other hand, [[spoiler:even before this movie came out, you had a wide share of technology and genetics from both the Batman and Superman shows; even if CADMUS and Justice League were only a twinkle in Bruce Timm's eye. Not to mention the idea of a former Robin turning into the new Joker was done in Creator/FrankMiller Comicbook/TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain, where Dick Grayson off of all people tries to kill Bruce and his superheroed allies, which was one of the most criticized plot points in a whole sea of them]].
5th Apr '17 1:00:01 PM AreYouTyler
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* MoralEventHorizon: The movie gives the Clown Prince of Crime a rather infamous line-crossing moment: [[spoiler: he kidnapped Robin, [[ColdBloodedTorture tortured]] and {{mind rape}}d him for three weeks, mutilated him, "fixed" him up as Joker Jr., implanted a microchip doctored with the Joker's DNA into his body, and invited Batman over to see his work in detail (which included a home video of the boy's torture labeled as "Our Family Memories"). He then reveals that he's learned Batman's secret identity, ''mocks him'' for it (and for not having the balls to kill him after all this), and knifes him before he tosses "J.J." a spear gun to finish him off with.]] Also worth mentioning that this particular MEH crossing was the former page picture.

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* MoralEventHorizon: The movie gives the Clown Prince of Crime a rather infamous line-crossing moment: [[spoiler: he kidnapped Robin, [[ColdBloodedTorture tortured]] and {{mind rape}}d him for three weeks, mutilated him, "fixed" him up as Joker Jr., implanted a microchip doctored with the Joker's DNA into his body, and invited Batman over to see his work in detail (which included a home video of the boy's torture labeled as "Our Family Memories"). He then reveals that he's learned Batman's secret identity, ''mocks him'' for it (and for not having the balls to kill him after all this), and knifes him before he tosses "J.J." a spear gun to finish him off with.]] Also worth mentioning that this particular MEH crossing was is now the former page picture.trope image for [[Monster/DCAnimation DC Animation's complete monsters]].
28th Mar '17 4:39:56 PM PeaceAndLove
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** The shooting in the nightclub is this, given the Orlando nightclub shooting.

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** The shooting shootout in the nightclub is this, given the Orlando nightclub shooting.
28th Mar '17 4:38:27 PM PeaceAndLove
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* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler: What Tim goes through here in the flashback, given that the backstory for ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'' has Jason Todd go through the same thing and end up assisting the Scarecrow in, what is for all intents and purposes, a terrorist attack on Gotham.]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
** The shooting in the nightclub is this, given the Orlando nightclub shooting.
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[[spoiler: What Tim goes through here in the flashback, given that the backstory for ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'' has Jason Todd go through the same thing and end up assisting the Scarecrow in, what is for all intents and purposes, a terrorist attack on Gotham.]]
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