History YMMV / Batman

18th Feb '17 3:42:19 PM DrPsyche
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** The characterization of Harley Quinn in the New 52 is very divisive.

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** The characterization of Harley Quinn in the New 52 is very divisive.divisive, especially because of her tendency to fall under DependingOnTheWriter. Harley giving explosive presents to children and killing them vs. the very clear attempt at AdaptationalHeroism that her series fell under are the major extremes of her portrayals. The former's detractors feeling it was so darkly out of character it should be FanonDiscontinuity while detractors of the latter feel that it's DracoInLeatherPants given canonicity. The more heroic portrayal is being applied more consistently as the series continues and fans are divided between it being a good way to make the character more sympathetic and likable or a bad direction that wasted a good villain.
10th Feb '17 8:31:37 PM AnotherGuy
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** 28 years later, [[Film/TheLegoBatmanMovie Billy Dee Williams finally gets to be Two-Face]].
10th Feb '17 8:48:03 AM MrDeath
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** The chief crooked cop is named Eckhart. Then 20 years later, in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', the man playing Harvey Dent -- whose backstory involves investigating crooked cops -- is Aaron ''Eckhart''.
26th Jan '17 9:50:29 AM Wyldchyld
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--> "Batman is obviously much cooler, but that’s because he’s a very energetic and adolescent fantasy character: a handsome billionaire playboy in black leather with a [[BattleButler butler]] at his beck and call, [[CoolCar better cars]] and [[UtilityBelt gadgetry]] than Film/JamesBond, a horde of [[FetishFuelStationAttendant fetish]] [[FemmeFatale femme fatales]] baying around his heels and no boss. That guy's Superman day and night. Superman [[FarmBoy grew up baling hay on a farm.]] He goes to work, for a boss, in an office. He pines after a [[IntrepidReporter hard–working gal.]] Only when he tears off his shirt does that heroic, ideal inner self come to life. That's actually a much more adult fantasy than the one Batman’s peddling but it also makes Superman a little harder to sell. He's much more of a working class superhero, which is why we ended [[ComicBook/AllStarSuperman the whole book]] with the image of a laboring Superman."

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--> "Batman is obviously much cooler, but that’s because he’s a very energetic and adolescent fantasy character: a handsome billionaire playboy in black leather with a [[BattleButler butler]] at his beck and call, [[CoolCar better cars]] and [[UtilityBelt gadgetry]] than Film/JamesBond, a horde of [[FetishFuelStationAttendant fetish]] fetish [[FemmeFatale femme fatales]] baying around his heels and no boss. That guy's Superman day and night. Superman [[FarmBoy grew up baling hay on a farm.]] He goes to work, for a boss, in an office. He pines after a [[IntrepidReporter hard–working gal.]] Only when he tears off his shirt does that heroic, ideal inner self come to life. That's actually a much more adult fantasy than the one Batman’s peddling but it also makes Superman a little harder to sell. He's much more of a working class superhero, which is why we ended [[ComicBook/AllStarSuperman the whole book]] with the image of a laboring Superman."
16th Jan '17 4:53:29 PM N8han11
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** That said, some fans ''do'' still perceive this first film in particular to be [[FirstInstallmentWins THE definitive Batman film]].
*** Also when people look at the best live action portrayal of Batman it's Keaton as Batman that people look at pretty fondly.



*** It's even more glaring that Batman would fall for the ''exact same trick'' by the Joker straight afterwards. And all Joker does is grab his foot.



** Actually, what Lawrence and other goons are wearing are silver brooches in the shape of playing cards, to go with the "Joker" theme. However, they're never seen very clearly, especially on years of VHS and TV screenings and a not particularly good-looking DVD transfer (until the two-disc set released around the time of ''Film/BatmanBegins''). The result is that the silvery coloring of the brooch looks white, and, when combined with the black shirts they wear, it gives them an unintentionally priestly appearance.



*** One moment has Batman turning to face The Joker - the 180 whiparound as to not damage the cowl made it look ''cool''.
5th Jan '17 9:02:02 PM Rubber_Lotus
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** Native American characters are also given the customary amount of respect (i.e. none) the few times they show up (Egghead's debut ep is perhaps the most notorious - Creator/TheHub actually banned it in reruns). That said, Eartha Kitt's Catwoman - the only major nonwhite villain - got fairly respectful treatment.
5th Jan '17 10:13:17 AM Pren
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** The Batplane locks perfectly onto the Joker, yet none of the bullets touch him as he stands completely still. The film makes no attempt to explain why this happened.
29th Dec '16 6:41:16 AM SpinAttaxx
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* BrokenBase: Creator/MichaelKeaton being cast as Batman, and now after all these years fans still divided over him, perhaps even more so now thanks to the Creator/ChristopherNolan Batman films starring Creator/ChristianBale. Some fans still insist Keaton was, is and will always be the one true honest, most perfect definitive Batman and that no one else will ever surpass him and hate on Bale for not sounding like Creator/KevinConroy, while other fans still feel Keaton was miscast and will always feel he was miscast and prefer Bale for being a closer physical match to Batman's comic book self and for playing up both sides of the persona. And then there are fans who don't like either actor in the role, and there are fans who like both actors in the role, and others who feel Keaton did well enough with what he had.

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Creator/MichaelKeaton being cast as Batman, and now after all these years fans still divided over him, perhaps even more so now thanks to the Creator/ChristopherNolan Batman films starring Creator/ChristianBale. Some fans still insist Keaton was, is and will always be the one true honest, most perfect definitive Batman and that no one else will ever surpass him and hate on Bale for not sounding like Creator/KevinConroy, while other fans still feel Keaton was miscast and will always feel he was miscast and prefer Bale for being a closer physical match to Batman's comic book self and for playing up both sides of the persona. And then there are fans who don't like either actor in the role, and there are fans who like both actors in the role, and others who feel Keaton did well enough with what he had.had.
** Jack Napier killing Bruce's parents as opposed to Joe Chill. Some like this change and think it adds [[ItsPersonal a more personal level to the Batman/Joker dynamic]]. Others, like [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], dislike it for effectively turning Batman's arc into a revenge story against one man, as opposed to crime as a whole as symbolized by a faceless mugger.



* {{Narm}}: The CurbStompBattle in the bell tower, where Batman gets thoroughly and completely destroyed in the most humiliating fashion imaginable by the third thug, is supposed to be powerful and intense and terrifying but comes off being more unintentionally funny due the poor staging and choreography. It's made even funnier since the thug looks like Ray Charles, and considering that Batman is supposedly the greatest hand to hand combatant in town, and yet he's getting beaten up by a guy who probably never made it to the fifth grade. The most he manages to do before ultimately killing the thug is kick him in the shoulder, only to have his attack bounce off, and then the rest is pretty much Batman getting smacked around like a 90 lbs weakling. (And while some deaths in Batman movies can be said to be Batman "not saving" people, him throwing this guy down the tower shaft is unquestionably a case of him simply killing someone.) And when you have Batman turning around a few seconds later and dealing out a major ass whooping to the Joker, the Dark Knight's own defeat at the hands of the thug looks even more ridiculous. The ballet music playing in the background doesn't help either. Also very {{Narm}}-worthy is a close up of Batman having a freaked out OhCrap look on his face when the thug has him in a headlock just before he ''really'' gets down to business - it's not pretty... nor is it as frightening as it's meant to be. And it's hard to take the Ray Charles thug seriously when he's grunting and panting like a dog in heat.

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The CurbStompBattle in the bell tower, where Batman gets thoroughly and completely humiliatingly destroyed in the most humiliating fashion imaginable by the third thug, is thug (who resembles a burly Music/RayCharles) while ballet music plays in the background. It's supposed to be powerful and powerful, intense and terrifying terrifying, but comes off being more unintentionally funny due the poor staging and choreography. It's made even funnier since the thug looks like Ray Charles, and considering that Batman is supposedly the greatest hand to hand combatant in town, and yet he's getting beaten up by a guy who probably never made it to the fifth grade. The most he manages to do before ultimately killing the thug is kick him in the shoulder, only to have his attack bounce off, and then the rest is pretty much Batman getting smacked around like a 90 lbs weakling. (And while some deaths in Batman movies can be said to be Batman "not saving" people, him throwing this guy down the tower shaft is unquestionably a case of him simply killing someone.) And when you have Batman turning around a few seconds later and dealing out a major ass whooping ass-whooping to the Joker, the Dark Knight's own defeat at the hands of the difficulty taking down one thug looks even more ridiculous. The ballet music playing in the background doesn't help either. ridiculous.
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Also very {{Narm}}-worthy is a close up of Batman having a freaked out OhCrap look on his face when the thug has him in a headlock just before he ''really'' gets down to business - it's business. It's not pretty... nor is it as frightening as it's meant to be. And it's hard to take the Ray Charles thug seriously when he's grunting and panting like a dog in heat.



** The use of Prince songs was cringe-inducing enough at the time, and is now even worse as they instantly date the film every time they appear. What makes it worse is that Prince did write a song - "Dance With the Devil" - that more closely fits the mood of the movie and has dated quite well, but it was cut from both the movie and the tie-in album for being "too dark."

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** The use of Prince songs was cringe-inducing enough at the time, and is now even worse as they instantly date the film every time they appear. What makes it worse is that Prince did write a song - -- "Dance With the Devil" - -- that more closely fits the mood of the movie and has dated quite well, but it was cut from both the movie and the tie-in album for being "too dark."
26th Dec '16 11:25:03 AM nombretomado
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** Jason Todd, for a short while anyway. Whether or not this has happened since his resurrection, he helped save friggin' '''Superman''' in ComicBook/ForTheManWhoHasEverything.
*** In the mini-series "The Cult", he also saved Batman's life, shook him out of a major BSOD, restored his faith in himself, and provided the impetus to save Gotham when Batman was ready to give up on it.
*** Also the Direct to DVD movie BatmanUnderTheRedHood fixed a lot of the problems with the original story in which he came back and made him more sympathetic, resulting in more fans warming up to him in the comics.
*** However, in the New 52, he has gone back to being TheScrappy of the Bat family. See ReplacementScrappy above.

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** Jason Todd, for a short while anyway. Whether or not this Todd has happened since his resurrection, he been in and out of the scrappy heap:
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helped save friggin' '''Superman''' in ComicBook/ForTheManWhoHasEverything.
*** In the mini-series "The Cult", he also saved Batman's life, shook him out of a major BSOD, restored his faith in himself, and provided the impetus to save Gotham when Batman was ready to give up on it.
*** Also the Direct to DVD The Direct-to-DVD movie BatmanUnderTheRedHood ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'' fixed a lot of the problems with the original story in which he came back and made him more sympathetic, resulting in more fans warming up to him in the comics.
*** However, in the New 52, he has gone went back to being TheScrappy of the Bat family. See ReplacementScrappy above.
11th Dec '16 6:48:48 PM Temmere
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* RetroactiveRecognition: "A Piece of the Action"/"Batman's Satisfaction" provides the page image, given that it featured the then-relatively unknown Creator/BruceLee, who would, of course, become not just more famous but one of the most important figures of the 20th century. (Note that those episodes also had blink-and-you'll-miss-them roles for Alex [[Film/TheGodfather "Moe Green"]] Rocco and character actor Seymour Cassel, who would get an Oscar nomination less than two years later for ''Faces''.)
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