History YMMV / Batgirl2011

17th Oct '17 11:54:53 AM infernape612
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** Gail Simone got fired from the title via email. Fans were livid causing DC to reverse its decision and reinstate her as the writer

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** Gail Simone got fired from the title via email. Fans were livid causing DC to reverse its decision and reinstate her as the writerwriter.



* UnfortunateImplications: Her newfound walking ability and how insulting it is to paraplegics is summed up in this Gutter's [[http://www.the-gutters.com/comic/147-ron-chan comic]]

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* UnfortunateImplications: Her newfound walking ability and how insulting it is to paraplegics is summed up in this Gutter's [[http://www.the-gutters.com/comic/147-ron-chan comic]]comic]].
17th Oct '17 11:49:01 AM infernape612
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** Though generally well-received, the new costume has gotten some detractors, due to the belief that it's far too impractical for Barbara at this point in her life; if she was a new hero or the book was about her early days, the suit would be fine, but for someone who's spent the last few years of her life operating as a superhero, has access to Batman's tech, and has been through this much crap in her life, the new suit just looks impractical (her original suit was ''armour'' whereas this is a jacket)and ill-fitting.

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** Though generally well-received, the new costume has gotten some detractors, due to the belief that it's far too impractical for Barbara at this point in her life; if she was a new hero or the book was about her early days, the suit would be fine, but for someone who's spent the last few years of her life operating as a superhero, has access to Batman's tech, and has been through this much crap in her life, the new suit just looks impractical (her original suit was ''armour'' whereas this is a jacket)and jacket) and ill-fitting.
26th Aug '17 10:34:01 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* BaseBreaker: Alysia Yeoh. Less about the character herself, and more about whether her being transgender is handled well or is being [[TokenMinority shoved into the reader's face to make the comic look progressive]]. Her getting DemotedToExtra when Cameron Stewart, Brenden Fletcher and Babs Tarr took over made this worse. It doesn't help that when she was brought back, many felt that the writers are treating her less like a full character, and more like a PR stunt.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Alysia Yeoh. Less about the character herself, and more about whether her being transgender is handled well or is being [[TokenMinority shoved into the reader's face to make the comic look progressive]]. Her getting DemotedToExtra when Cameron Stewart, Brenden Fletcher and Babs Tarr took over made this worse. It doesn't help that when she was brought back, many felt that the writers are treating her less like a full character, and more like a PR stunt.
8th Aug '17 1:49:44 PM Piterpicher
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Either this is the best book Batgirl's had in years or it's the absolute worst. The fact that it seems to get caught up in a controversy of some sort every other month has not helped this.
** A common trend appears to be that readers who loved Simone's run absolutely hate the new direction, and vice versa.
16th Jul '17 4:13:38 PM NightShade96
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** For some, bringing Barbara back as Batgirl was a great idea. For others, it's still one of the worst ideas to come from the New52, especially because Barbara has arguably become more famous as her Oracle identity.

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** For some, bringing Barbara back as Batgirl was a great idea. For others, it's still one of the worst ideas to come from the New52, ComicBook/New52, especially because Barbara has arguably become more famous as her Oracle identity.
7th Jul '17 2:52:08 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: A number of the new RoguesGallery members introduced have been well-received, especially Knightfall.



* InternetBackdraft: Gail Simone got fired from the title via email. Fans were livid causing DC to reverse its decision and reinstate her as the writer

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* InternetBackdraft: InternetBackdraft:
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Gail Simone got fired from the title via email. Fans were livid causing DC to reverse its decision and reinstate her as the writer
7th Jul '17 2:50:06 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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** There are a few camps divided over the newest direction. Some absolutely love it, and find it welcome after Simone's rather dark and grim run. Others think the new Barbara acts out of character, at least compared to pre-''Flashpoint'' versions. Some find that the number of social media references and trendy slang to be a bit excessive. Some just miss Oracle, and think that Stephanie Brown as Batgirl could just as well fulfil this new role. Even then, most critics do seem to agree that although the book might not be for them, they do hope this new direction succeeds with its target audience.
** Though generally well-received, the new costume has gotten some detractors, due to the belief that it's far too impractical for Barbara at this point in her life; if she was a new hero or the book was about her early days, the suit would be fine, but for someone who's spent the last few years of her life operating as a superhero, has access to Batman's tech[[note]]of course, now that even ''Batman'' doesn't have access to his resources, her use of a minimalistic improvised suit suddenly makes a lot of sense[[/note]], and has been through this much crap in her life, the new suit just looks impractical and ill-fitting.
** Barbara's return to being FunPersonified. Alongside the outfit, this brings more fuel to the fire to the fans that want Stephanie Brown back (namely by saying that DC seems to be trying to turn Barbara into an {{Expy}} of Brown).
** The bickering between Dinah and Barbara, somewhat carried over from the end of Birds of Prey, has upset some readers who miss their friendship. There are some who believe Barbara has not apologized enough to Dinah for what she did (burning down Dinah's home, among other things), and others who think Dinah has been overly aggressive and catty. It does not help that Dinah is quick to take some of her anger out on Barbara's roommate. Thankfully, the two started to mend fences and have since stopped bickering with each other.

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** There are a few camps divided over the newest direction.direction of the Fletcher/Stewart run. Some absolutely love it, and find it welcome after Simone's rather dark and grim run. Others think the new Barbara acts out of character, at least compared to pre-''Flashpoint'' versions. Some find that the number of social media references and trendy slang to be a bit excessive. Some just miss Oracle, and think that Stephanie Brown as Batgirl could just as well fulfil this new role. Even then, most critics do seem to agree that although the book might not be for them, they do hope this new direction succeeds with its target audience.
** Though generally well-received, the new costume has gotten some detractors, due to the belief that it's far too impractical for Barbara at this point in her life; if she was a new hero or the book was about her early days, the suit would be fine, but for someone who's spent the last few years of her life operating as a superhero, has access to Batman's tech[[note]]of course, now that even ''Batman'' doesn't have access to his resources, her use of a minimalistic improvised suit suddenly makes a lot of sense[[/note]], tech, and has been through this much crap in her life, the new suit just looks impractical and (her original suit was ''armour'' whereas this is a jacket)and ill-fitting.
** Barbara's return to being FunPersonified. Alongside the outfit, this brings more fuel to the fire to the fans that want Stephanie Brown back (namely by saying that DC seems to be trying to turn Barbara into an {{Expy}} of Brown).
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** The bickering between Dinah and Barbara, somewhat carried over from the end of Birds ''Birds of Prey, Prey'', has upset some readers who miss their friendship. There are some who believe Barbara has not apologized enough to Dinah for what she did (burning down Dinah's home, among other things), and others who think Dinah has been overly aggressive and catty. It does not help that Dinah is quick to take some of her anger out on Barbara's roommate. Thankfully, the two started to mend fences and have since stopped bickering with each other.



** ''Batgirl'' #49 seemed to suggest that [[spoiler:the entirety of ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' was actually part of a set of FakeMemories]] and it has caused a bit of controversy in it. Some believe that the storyline in question is important to Babs' history and to casually toss it into the CanonDiscontinuity pile is a disservice to the character. Others suggest that the storyline doesn't really fit with the character now and even point out that it's something of an OldShame to [[Creator/AlanMoore the guy who did the story in the first place]].

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** ''Batgirl'' #49 seemed to suggest that [[spoiler:the entirety of ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' was actually part of a set of FakeMemories]] and it has caused a bit of controversy in it. Some believe that the storyline in question is important to Babs' history and to casually toss it into the CanonDiscontinuity pile is a disservice to the character. Others suggest that the storyline doesn't really fit with the character now and even point out that it's something of an OldShame to [[Creator/AlanMoore the guy who did the story in the first place]]. However, that argument has been countered with, well, Alan Moore hates pretty much ''everything'' he's ever written, up to and including ''Watchmen'', and his thoughts on it don't affect its importance as a work.
20th Apr '17 9:25:44 PM hitmonkey
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** [[http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/BG-Cv41-Joker-variant-solicitation-68d7f.jpg This cover]] from June 2015's Joker variants ended up causing this. When it was released, feminist groups and social justice minded fans were angry and disgusted at the cover, some wishing for it to be pulled[[note]]The basic reasoning is that it's contrary to the book's tone and off-putting to the target audience, by framing Barbara as a helpless victim-- something none of the other Joker-themed covers did. The heroes on the other Joker covers are annoyed, frustrated, fighting back, or have the upper-hand, while the character trying to target and empower young women is helpless and crying in fear. Notably, the creative team of the book were unaware of the cover's production, did ''not'' approve of it, and didn't want it to be used.[[/note]]. When DC relented and pulled it, they added that threats of violence were not acceptable for any reason. Other parts of the fandom, particularly anti-feminist fans and Joker fans, were absolutely enraged over what they perceived as PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad and censorship, criticizing the critics for forcing [=DC=] and the artist to pull the cover. Batgirl writer Cameron Stewart and variant cover artist Rafael Albuquerque stepped in to clarify that it wasn't DC or any of its freelancers being threatened, but the people who criticized the cover in the first place. Albuquerque stated [[http://www.themarysue.com/batgirl-variant-cover-cancelled/ "[I]t has become clear, that for others, it touched a very important nerve. I respect these opinions and, despite whether the discussion is right or wrong, no opinion should be discredited."]] The fact that social justice and feminism in relation to comics and video games has been a major [[FlameWar hot topic]] in recent months did ''not'' help this.

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** [[http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/BG-Cv41-Joker-variant-solicitation-68d7f.jpg This cover]] from June 2015's Joker variants ended up causing this. When it was released, feminist groups and social justice minded fans were angry and disgusted at the cover, some wishing for it to be pulled[[note]]The basic reasoning is that it's contrary to the book's tone and off-putting to the target audience, by framing Barbara as a helpless victim-- something none of the other Joker-themed covers did. The heroes on the other Joker covers are annoyed, frustrated, fighting back, or have the upper-hand, while the character trying to target and empower young women is helpless and crying in fear. Notably, the creative team of the book were unaware of the cover's production, did ''not'' approve of it, and didn't want it to be used.[[/note]]. When DC relented and pulled it, they added that threats of violence were not acceptable for any reason. Other parts of the fandom, particularly anti-feminist fans and Joker fans, were absolutely enraged over what they perceived as PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad and censorship, criticizing the critics for forcing [=DC=] and the artist to pull the cover.cover, although it was actually the writers who got DC to pull it.. Batgirl writer Cameron Stewart and variant cover artist Rafael Albuquerque stepped in to clarify that it wasn't DC or any of its freelancers being threatened, but the people who criticized the cover in the first place. Albuquerque stated [[http://www.themarysue.com/batgirl-variant-cover-cancelled/ "[I]t has become clear, that for others, it touched a very important nerve. I respect these opinions and, despite whether the discussion is right or wrong, no opinion should be discredited."]] The fact that social justice and feminism in relation to comics and video games has been a major [[FlameWar hot topic]] in recent months did ''not'' help this.
26th Mar '16 1:00:51 PM Blazer
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* ''Batgirl'' #49 seemed to suggest that [[spoiler:the entirety of ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' was actually part of a set of FakeMemories]] and it has caused a bit of controversy in it. Some believe that the storyline in question is important to Babs' history and to casually toss it into the CanonDiscontinuity pile is a disservice to the character. Others suggest that the storyline doesn't really fit with the character now and even point out that it's something of an OldShame to [[Creator/AlanMoore the guy who did the story in the first place]].

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* ** ''Batgirl'' #49 seemed to suggest that [[spoiler:the entirety of ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' was actually part of a set of FakeMemories]] and it has caused a bit of controversy in it. Some believe that the storyline in question is important to Babs' history and to casually toss it into the CanonDiscontinuity pile is a disservice to the character. Others suggest that the storyline doesn't really fit with the character now and even point out that it's something of an OldShame to [[Creator/AlanMoore the guy who did the story in the first place]].
8th Mar '16 9:50:15 PM Blazer
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* ''Batgirl'' #49 seemed to suggest that [[spoiler:the entirety of ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' was actually part of a set of FakeMemories]] and it has caused a bit of controversy in it. Some believe that the storyline in question is important to Babs' history and to casually toss it into the CanonDiscontinuity pile is a disservice to the character. Others suggest that the storyline doesn't really fit with the character now and even point out that it's something of an OldShame to [[Creator/AlanMoore the guy who did the story in the first place]].
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