History YMMV / Batgirl2011

26th Mar '16 1:00:51 PM Blazer
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* ''Batgirl'' #49 seemed to suggest that [[spoiler:the entirety of ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' was actually part of a set of FakeMemories]] and it has caused a bit of controversy in it. Some believe that the storyline in question is important to Babs' history and to casually toss it into the CanonDiscontinuity pile is a disservice to the character. Others suggest that the storyline doesn't really fit with the character now and even point out that it's something of an OldShame to [[Creator/AlanMoore the guy who did the story in the first place]].

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* ** ''Batgirl'' #49 seemed to suggest that [[spoiler:the entirety of ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' was actually part of a set of FakeMemories]] and it has caused a bit of controversy in it. Some believe that the storyline in question is important to Babs' history and to casually toss it into the CanonDiscontinuity pile is a disservice to the character. Others suggest that the storyline doesn't really fit with the character now and even point out that it's something of an OldShame to [[Creator/AlanMoore the guy who did the story in the first place]].
8th Mar '16 9:50:15 PM Blazer
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* ''Batgirl'' #49 seemed to suggest that [[spoiler:the entirety of ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' was actually part of a set of FakeMemories]] and it has caused a bit of controversy in it. Some believe that the storyline in question is important to Babs' history and to casually toss it into the CanonDiscontinuity pile is a disservice to the character. Others suggest that the storyline doesn't really fit with the character now and even point out that it's something of an OldShame to [[Creator/AlanMoore the guy who did the story in the first place]].
31st Jan '16 11:25:38 PM flyingfishcake
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* EightPointEight: Batman-News reviewer Elena has developed a bit of a reputation for being rather critical of the Stewart/Fletcher, having given it poor reviews as of late, despite originally being open to the creative direction. Her reviews often generate the biggest comment sections, which are often split between those supporting her review, and those attacking her for her opinions.
22nd Dec '15 12:39:35 PM caivu
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* TheScrappy: Batwoman, for a number of readers who didn't appreciate her "barging in" and [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomping]] Babs in her own book.
5th Dec '15 1:33:05 PM Hello9876
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** Alysia Yeoh's reemergence as a supporting character after losing visibility for the first few issues of the post-Simone run was amplified by the fact that she's officially getting married to her girlfriend ''and'' that Babs is helping organize the wedding.



* BaseBreaker: Alysia Yeoh. Less about the character herself, and more about whether her being transgender is handled well or is being [[TokenMinority shoved into the reader's face to make the comic look progressive]]. Her getting DemotedToExtra when Cameron Stewart, Brenden Fletcher and Babs Tarr took over made this worse.

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* BaseBreaker: Alysia Yeoh. Less about the character herself, and more about whether her being transgender is handled well or is being [[TokenMinority shoved into the reader's face to make the comic look progressive]]. Her getting DemotedToExtra when Cameron Stewart, Brenden Fletcher and Babs Tarr took over made this worse. It doesn't help that when she was brought back, many felt that the writers are treating her less like a full character, and more like a PR stunt.



** For some, bringing Barabara back as Batgirl was a great idea. For others, it's still one of the worst ideas to come from the New52, especially because Barbara has arguably become more famous as her Oracle identity.

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** For some, bringing Barabara Barbara back as Batgirl was a great idea. For others, it's still one of the worst ideas to come from the New52, especially because Barbara has arguably become more famous as her Oracle identity.



** Alysia and Jo's wedding has set off a three-sided debate in the fandom. On one side, of course, are fans who are happy about the development and are celebrating it as a sign of progress at DC, which previously vetoed a story in which ComicBook/{{Batwoman}} would have married her longtime girlfriend. Another side, of course, are fans who complain that DC is pandering to the "gay agenda". And then there's a ''third'' side who like Alysia and Jo, but feel that Stewart, Fletcher and Tarr are just creating a pretense to send Alysia and Jo away once and for all while avoiding further accusations of transphobia.

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** Alysia and Jo's wedding has set off a three-sided debate in the fandom. On one side, of course, are fans who are happy about the development and are celebrating it as a sign of progress at DC, which previously vetoed a story in which ComicBook/{{Batwoman}} would have married her longtime girlfriend. Another side, of course, are fans who complain that DC is pandering Fletcher and Stewart [[DemotedToExtra shoved her aside]], only to bring her back for the "gay agenda".sake of headlines, reducing her character to a gender identity. And then there's a ''third'' side who like Alysia and Jo, but feel that Stewart, Fletcher and Tarr are just creating a pretense to send Alysia and Jo away once and for all while avoiding further accusations of transphobia.


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** A common complaint over the recent arcs is that Barbara seems to be caught in an endless parade of love triangles. Her relationship with Luke Fox comes across as forced and sudden, with many readers feeling like Luke comes across merely as a stopgap love interest until Barbara falls for Dick Grayson again.
31st Oct '15 10:15:28 AM StrixObscuro
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** Barbara's return to being FunPersonified. Alongside the outfit, this brings more fuel to the fire to the fans that want Stephane Brown back (namely by saying that DC seems to be trying to turn Barbara into an {{Expy}} of Brown).

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** Barbara's return to being FunPersonified. Alongside the outfit, this brings more fuel to the fire to the fans that want Stephane Stephanie Brown back (namely by saying that DC seems to be trying to turn Barbara into an {{Expy}} of Brown).


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** Alysia and Jo's wedding has set off a three-sided debate in the fandom. On one side, of course, are fans who are happy about the development and are celebrating it as a sign of progress at DC, which previously vetoed a story in which ComicBook/{{Batwoman}} would have married her longtime girlfriend. Another side, of course, are fans who complain that DC is pandering to the "gay agenda". And then there's a ''third'' side who like Alysia and Jo, but feel that Stewart, Fletcher and Tarr are just creating a pretense to send Alysia and Jo away once and for all while avoiding further accusations of transphobia.
18th Oct '15 8:42:53 PM SarcasmKid
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** Alysia Yeoh's reemergence as a supporting character after losing visibility for the first few issues of the post-Simone run was amplified by the fact that she's officially getting married to her girlfriend ''and'' that Babs is helping organize the wedding.



** The bickering between Dinah and Barbara, somewhat carried over from the end of Birds of Prey, has upset some readers who miss their friendship. There are some who believe Barbara has not apologized enough to Dinah for what she did (burning down Dinah's home, among other things), and others who think Dinah has been overly aggressive and catty. It does not help that Dinah is quick to take some of her anger out on Barbara's roommate.

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** The bickering between Dinah and Barbara, somewhat carried over from the end of Birds of Prey, has upset some readers who miss their friendship. There are some who believe Barbara has not apologized enough to Dinah for what she did (burning down Dinah's home, among other things), and others who think Dinah has been overly aggressive and catty. It does not help that Dinah is quick to take some of her anger out on Barbara's roommate. Thankfully, the two started to mend fences and have since stopped bickering with each other.
21st Sep '15 4:03:15 PM StFan
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** There's further breakage over the portrayal of Barbara's meetings with Batman after she was shot. Before {{Flashpoint}}, and after she had first woken up in ''The Killing Joke'', Barbara expressed justifiable outrage over the fact that she was merely a stepping stone to get to her dad and to Bruce, and then asked if she was the joke Bruce had been laughing about with the Joker before he arrested him. Following {{Flashpoint}}, Barbara was afraid to the point of tears that Bruce was going to lay into her for letting him down.
** There are a few camps divided over the newest direction. Some absolutely love it, and find it welcome after Simone's rather dark and grim run. Others think the new Barbara acts out of character, at least compared to pre-{{Flashpoint}} versions. Some find that the number of social media references and trendy slang to be a bit excessive. Some just miss Oracle, and think that Stephanie Brown as Batgirl could just as well fulfil this new role. Even then, most critics do seem to agree that although the book might not be for them, they do hope this new direction succeeds with its target audience.

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** There's further breakage over the portrayal of Barbara's meetings with Batman after she was shot. Before {{Flashpoint}}, ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'', and after she had first woken up in ''The Killing Joke'', Barbara expressed justifiable outrage over the fact that she was merely a stepping stone to get to her dad and to Bruce, and then asked if she was the joke Bruce had been laughing about with the Joker before he arrested him. Following {{Flashpoint}}, ''Flashpoint'', Barbara was afraid to the point of tears that Bruce was going to lay into her for letting him down.
** There are a few camps divided over the newest direction. Some absolutely love it, and find it welcome after Simone's rather dark and grim run. Others think the new Barbara acts out of character, at least compared to pre-{{Flashpoint}} pre-''Flashpoint'' versions. Some find that the number of social media references and trendy slang to be a bit excessive. Some just miss Oracle, and think that Stephanie Brown as Batgirl could just as well fulfil this new role. Even then, most critics do seem to agree that although the book might not be for them, they do hope this new direction succeeds with its target audience.
14th Jul '15 6:47:21 AM GoneRampant
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** Some thought having Barbara becoming Batgirl was great, others... didn't.

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** Some thought having Barbara becoming For some, bringing Barabara back as Batgirl was great, others... didn't.a great idea. For others, it's still one of the worst ideas to come from the New52, especially because Barbara has arguably become more famous as her Oracle identity.
28th Jun '15 2:01:28 AM flyingfishcake
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** Between Gail Simone's run, and Brenden Fletcher/Cameron Stewart's fun. Fans who loved Simone's run think that the Fletcher/Stewart run is a shallow hipster trash that made Barbara [[TookALevelInDumbass dumber]] than her previous iteration. Fans of the new Fletcher/Stewart run call Simone's run is joyless, boring, needlessly angsty, and too gritty.


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* RomanticPlotTumor: Barbara's love interests haven't been received very well by readers, who find them either awkwardly shoehorned, or just boring. Some readers just want her to hook up with [[FanPreferredCouple Dick Grayson]] again.
** In Simone's run, Ricky was first introduced as looking like a 16 year old. When Ray Fawkes turned him into a love interest, Simone retconned his age to be 19. Some still found it to be {{Squick}}.
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