History YMMV / BatesMotel

12th May '17 8:45:02 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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29th Apr '17 2:31:31 PM Da1tonTheGreat
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* HilariousInHindsight: [[spoiler: Sam Loomis getting stabbed to death by a notorious psychopath he badly underestimated and left to bleed out can come across as this when you remember that his actor Austin Nichols played a character on ''Series/TheWalkingDead'' who suffered a similar fate.]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: [[spoiler: Sam Loomis getting stabbed to death by a notorious psychopath he badly underestimated and left to bleed out can come across as this when you remember that his actor Austin Nichols played a character on ''Series/TheWalkingDead'' who suffered a similar fate.fate only a few months before his death on ''this'' show.]]
28th Apr '17 2:04:57 PM AdelePotter
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*** Two words: [[spoiler:"Thank you."]]
25th Apr '17 8:21:56 PM Winner1
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** Marion Crane is meant to be seen as a tragic victim who was manipulated by a {{jerkass}} who ruined her life, but she did rob $400,000 from her boss since he denied her a promotion and [[spoiler: she [[KarmaHoudini she gets away with it in end]]. Nevertheless, we're supposed to feel sorry for her.

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** Marion Crane is meant to be seen as a tragic victim who was manipulated by a {{jerkass}} who ruined her life, but she did rob $400,000 from her boss since he denied her a promotion and [[spoiler: she [[KarmaHoudini she completely gets away with it in end]]. end]], never once showing a shred of regret for her actions.]] Nevertheless, we're supposed to feel sorry for her.
25th Apr '17 8:19:57 PM Winner1
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Emma Decody. Either you'll view her as an adorable, lovable girl who's normal personality plays off of the eccentric characters in the show for comic relief or you may view her as a bland, boring FlatCharacter who has ultimately contributed nothing of great importance throughout the entire show's run.

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Emma Decody. Either you'll view her as an adorable, lovable girl who's normal personality plays off of the eccentric characters in the show for comic relief or you may view her as a bland, boring FlatCharacter who has ultimately contributed nothing of great importance throughout the entire show's run.run.
** Marion Crane too. Some view her as a tragic AntiHero who truly wanted a life of happiness with Sam Loomis, a man who deceived her, despite life problems holding her back and argue that she deserved a chance to start a new life. However, others found her much too unsympathetic since unlike her film counterpart [[AdaptationalVillainy she has zero regret over actions]] and essentially [[KarmaHoudini gets away scot-free with $400,000 in the end.]]



* BrokenBase: [[spoiler: Norman's]] death in the series finale is this. Some fans view it as a the tragic ending to a sympathetic man who was never truly evil and just wanted a peaceful life with his family, serving as a fitting conclusion to a great series. However, others are upset over this because [[spoiler: the original film version of Norman was able to overcome his insanity and [[EarnYourHappyEnding achieved happiness in the end]],]] which could've been adapted for the show, making it seem like his struggle was all for nothing in the end. There's not much room for a middle ground on this argument.



* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Given that the series is mainly detailing the StartOfDarkness of Norman Bates' destiny as a SerialKiller, you can't really blame people for getting turned off by the depressing themes featured throughout the show. It certainly doesn't help that our VillainProtagonist doubles as a NightmareFuelStationAttendant.
* DesignatedHero: [[DirtyCop Sheriff Romero]] to some. In short, the guy pulls a lot of strings to get his way, allows multiple drug cartels to occupy his own town, turns a blind eye towards most crimes that don't involve Norman in some way, was a childhood friend to a drug dealer, and even takes it upon himself to kill multiple villains and cover it up. However, usually the arc villains are presented to make him look good in comparison. Taken UpToEleven in the final season, where Romero repeatedly commits ''multiple felonies'' all for the goal of gaining personal revenge against his stepson [[spoiler: and coldly gunning down Chick]] for no real reason whatsoever.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Given that the series is mainly detailing the StartOfDarkness of Norman Bates' destiny as a SerialKiller, you can't really blame people for getting turned off by the depressing themes featured throughout the show. It certainly doesn't help that our VillainProtagonist doubles as a NightmareFuelStationAttendant.
NightmareFuelStationAttendant. This ultimately gets taken UpToEleven in the series finale where Norman's life slowly begins to fall apart [[spoiler: and he ends up mercy killed by his own brother when Dylan realizes that there is no way to save him.]]
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[[DirtyCop Sheriff Romero]] to some. In short, the guy pulls a lot of strings to get his way, allows multiple drug cartels to occupy his own town, turns a blind eye towards most crimes that don't involve Norman in some way, was a childhood friend to a drug dealer, and even takes it upon himself to kill multiple villains and cover it up. However, usually the arc villains are presented to make him look good in comparison. Taken UpToEleven in the final season, where Romero repeatedly commits ''multiple felonies'' all for the goal of gaining personal revenge against his stepson [[spoiler: and coldly gunning down Chick]] for no real reason whatsoever.whatsoever.
** Marion Crane is meant to be seen as a tragic victim who was manipulated by a {{jerkass}} who ruined her life, but she did rob $400,000 from her boss since he denied her a promotion and [[spoiler: she [[KarmaHoudini she gets away with it in end]]. Nevertheless, we're supposed to feel sorry for her.



* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: After Norman gets taken into a mental hospital, Norma asks others how she should take in the situation. Emma advises her to ''forget her son'' and focus on herself since Norman should grow up on his own. So apparently, Norma should have fun with her own life over worrying about her own son's mental health.

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After Norman gets taken into a mental hospital, Norma asks others how she should take in the situation. Emma advises her to ''forget her son'' and focus on herself since Norman should grow up on his own. So apparently, Norma should have fun with her own life over worrying about her own son's mental health.health.
** The Series finale episode "The Cord" seems to imply that the police force thinks that [[InsaneEqualsViolent mentally insane people are dangerous]] [[MurderIsTheBestSolution and must be killed]] or locked away in prison instead of a mental hospital. [[spoiler: This isn't helped that Dylan's murder of his psychotic brother is treated as a mercy kill since he believes Norman's beyond help.]]


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** Norman's argument that you can achieve whatever you want if you just believe it. Not helped by the fact that this is said in the middle of a climatic scene.


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** Norman's [[spoiler: death at the hands of his own brother Dylan. As he lays dying, he sees his mother waiting for him in the next life.]]


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* TrueArtIsAngsty: The show is well-known for its dark drama orchestrating its success.
11th Apr '17 7:38:54 PM Winner1
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The point of the show. In the movie, we only saw Norman's interpretation of his mother, and it strongly implied that her control of him caused his mental problems. The show implies it's the other way around: Norma was controlling because Norman was ALWAYS unstable.

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The point of the show. In the movie, we only saw Norman's interpretation of his mother, and it strongly implied that her control of him caused his mental problems. The show implies it's the other way around: Norma was controlling because Norman was ALWAYS unstable.



** Does Romero want to kill Norman [[spoiler: to avenge the death of his wife Norma and]] for the sake of others, or does he want revenge against him for self-satisfaction for ruining ''his'' life?



* DesignatedHero: [[DirtyCop Sheriff Romero]] to some. In short, the guy pulls a lot of strings to get his way, allows multiple drug cartels to occupy his own town, turns a blind eye towards most crimes that don't involve Norman in some way, was a childhood friend to a drug dealer, and even takes it upon himself to kill multiple villains and cover it up. However, usually the arc villains are presented to make him look good in comparison.

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* DesignatedHero: [[DirtyCop Sheriff Romero]] to some. In short, the guy pulls a lot of strings to get his way, allows multiple drug cartels to occupy his own town, turns a blind eye towards most crimes that don't involve Norman in some way, was a childhood friend to a drug dealer, and even takes it upon himself to kill multiple villains and cover it up. However, usually the arc villains are presented to make him look good in comparison. Taken UpToEleven in the final season, where Romero repeatedly commits ''multiple felonies'' all for the goal of gaining personal revenge against his stepson [[spoiler: and coldly gunning down Chick]] for no real reason whatsoever.



* EpilepticTrees: A recent theory regarding the final season has fans believing that Chick is actually Robert Bloch, the author of the ''Psycho'' novel, since he implies that he's going to write a crime novel inspired by Norman's life.

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* EpilepticTrees: A recent theory regarding the final season has fans believing that Chick is actually Robert Bloch, the author of the ''Psycho'' novel, since he implies that he's going to write a crime novel inspired by Norman's life. Though this was completely [[JustForPun shot down]] when [[spoiler: Romero kills him before he can even finish his novel.]]



* MoralEventHorizon: In the season three finale, [[spoiler: Norman passes it when he murders his LoveInterest Bradley while under control of his SplitPersonality. Made all the more worse when she was planning to start a new life with Norman and help him get away from his mother, but ended up being ''horrifically'' murdered by the man she loved. Norman even buries her body in a lake to make sure that no one ever knows how she really died.]]

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In the season three finale, [[spoiler: Norman passes it when he murders his LoveInterest Bradley while under control of his SplitPersonality. Made all the more worse when she was planning to start a new life with Norman and help him get away from his mother, but ended up being ''horrifically'' murdered by the man she loved. Norman even buries her body in a lake to make sure that no one ever knows how she really died.]]]]
** Romero finally crosses this when he coldly shoots [[spoiler: Chick]] dead for simply showing sympathy for Norman, which he views as him standing in the way of his quest for vengeance.


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** [[spoiler: Chick]] is abruptly shot dead in the final season despite being one of Norman's most trusted friends and could've possibly showed up at his trial to help back him up.
* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler: Charles "Chick" Hogan]], a WickedCultured professional hunter, former criminal gun runner, a hilarious comic relief on a dark show with a CrazyAwesome personality that made him completely unpredictable, and one of Norman's few most trusted friends, ends up shot dead in the middle of a monologue justifying why Norman is not a complete monster like how Romero and the rest of the world views him to be.
7th Apr '17 8:54:23 PM DevinMeenan
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* NotHisSled: [[spoiler: Sam Loomis gets the iconic shower death scene instead of [[SparedByAdaptation Marion Crane]]]].
4th Apr '17 8:29:58 PM Winner1
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* TakeThatAudience: The speech Mother gives to Norman [[spoiler: to convince him to kill Sam Loomis]] reads like many fans' reactions to [[spoiler: Sam]] and [[spoiler: his]] actions.. This might be the intended outcome for the IntendedAudienceReaction.

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* TakeThatAudience: The speech Mother gives to Norman [[spoiler: to convince him to kill Sam Loomis]] reads like many fans' reactions to [[spoiler: Sam]] and [[spoiler: his]] actions..actions. This might be the intended outcome for the IntendedAudienceReaction.


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** Emma started out as an interesting character who could've evolved into a well-rounded heroine going on dangerous adventures with the other characters, but instead she got DemotedToSatelliteLoveInterest for Dylan and never did anything of great interest on the show.
4th Apr '17 8:24:51 PM Winner1
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** In an interview for the episode where [[spoiler: he dies]], Carlton Cuse comments "He was a jerk, but he didn't [[spoiler: deserve to die]]." Considered how many people entusiastically reacted to that scene, they overdid it by an infernal mile.

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** In an interview for the episode where [[spoiler: he dies]], Carlton Cuse comments "He was a jerk, but he didn't [[spoiler: deserve to die]]." Considered Considering how many people entusiastically [[TakeThatScrappy enthusiastically reacted to that scene, scene]], they overdid it by an infernal mile.



* TakeThatScrappy: [[spoiler: Sam Loomis gets his car totaled by a vengeful Marion, is thrown wine in his face and thrown out of the house by his wife Madeline and to top it all off, he's killed in the shower when he waits for his mistress Marion to come crawling back to him.]]

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* TakeThatScrappy: [[spoiler: Sam Loomis gets his car totaled by a vengeful Marion, is thrown gets wine tossed in his face and thrown out of the house by his wife Madeline and to top it all off, he's killed in the shower by Norman when he waits for his mistress Marion to come crawling back to him.]]


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** [[spoiler: Dr. Edwards]] is revealed to have been DeadAllAlong since he was apparently KilledOffscreen in between seasons. Sadly this means that his positive influence on Norman's life goes to waste as well despite being the first character to make a breakthrough providing him with a possible HeelFaceTurn in the future.
4th Apr '17 1:18:58 PM PersonalPOV
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** Norman himself agrees in 'Inseparables'.
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