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* HarsherInHindsight: Film/GhostDad, played by Creator/BillCosby, is a boss. Cosby's public perception has taken a sharp turn since 2014, when it came to public attention that Cosby has been accused of rape, sexual assault and harassment by numerous women.
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** And then there's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRpw-8vxZag&feature=related Eternity]]," taken directly from ''VideoGame/BlueDragon''. It's sung by Ian Gillan of Music/DeepPurple. The song's meta-info for the artist even says "jesus christ the guy from deep purple sang this." While it's somewhat divisive in ''Blue Dragon'', since some people find the singing impossible to take seriously... in ''this game''? A game where the player is already accepting ridiculous amounts of silliness? You've still got that absolutely epic music, but the arguable absurdity of the singing now only ''adds'' to the charm. It really says something that most of the comments on most videos on Website/YouTube for the song are talking about ''this'' game and not ''Blue Dragon''.

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** And then there's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRpw-8vxZag&feature=related Eternity]]," taken directly from ''VideoGame/BlueDragon''. It's sung by Ian Gillan of Music/DeepPurple. The song's meta-info for the artist even says "jesus christ the guy from deep purple sang this." While it's somewhat divisive in ''Blue Dragon'', since some people find the singing impossible to take seriously... in ''this game''? A game where the player is already accepting ridiculous amounts of silliness? You've still got that absolutely epic music, but the arguable absurdity of the singing now only ''adds'' to the charm. It really says something that most of the comments on most videos on Website/YouTube for the song are [[PopculturalOsmosis talking about about]] ''this'' game and not ''Blue Dragon''.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: To a lesser extent in this case. Back when this game came out, self aware use of Japanese words in English sentences as a joke was almost unheard of, so new players might not get the same out of nowhere "punch" when Barkley calls Jordan a [[spoiler:"sick motherfucking goddamn BAKA!" for injecting his son with type 2 diabetes]]
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* CultClassicCultClassic: Ruthlessly [[ParodiedTrope Parodied]] with the game presenting itself as a forgotten and poorly translated, but mechanically solid, RPG.
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** In 2021, Piko re-released the two original versions of Barkley Shut Up and Jam 1 & 2 for Genesis, but to avoid paying any license to Charles Barkley's image, [[https://twitter.com/gosokkyu/status/1417744174875516928 they replaced every photo of him with a poorly photoshopped shutterstock face]], the same kind of StylisticSuck editing you'd see in this game. To top it off? The game's name and protagonist got renamed to Joe Hoops, just like Barkley's son in here: Hoopz Barkley.
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** Balthios being the octoroon great grandson of Lebron James in addition to the inclusion of Lebron James himself becomes this now there's a [[Film/SpaceJamANewLegacy sequel]] to Film/SpaceJam (which is treated as canon to the game's backstory) starring Lebron James in the lead role.

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** Balthios being the octoroon great grandson of Lebron James in addition to the game's inclusion of Lebron James himself becomes this now there's a [[Film/SpaceJamANewLegacy sequel]] to Film/SpaceJam (which is treated as canon to the game's backstory) starring Lebron James in the lead role.
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** Balthios being the octoroon great grandson of Lebron James in addition to the inclusion of Lebron James himself becomes this now there's a [[Film/SpaceJamANewLegacy sequel]] to Film/SpaceJam (which is treated as canon to the game's backstory) starring Lebron James in the lead role.
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** The song has been remixed with just about any song in existence underneath it. Like "[[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Libera Me]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krXTZvkRCD4 From Hell]]" or "[[Franchise/AceAttorney Objection:]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcfXh9xqiCU Cornered]]". It has something like the same reputation as [[Franchise/StreetFighter Guile's]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDFDzTOyLvo theme]], for its ability to go with anything.
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** The song has been remixed with just about any song in existence underneath it. Like "[[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Libera Me]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krXTZvkRCD4 From Hell]]" or "[[Franchise/AceAttorney Objection:]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcfXh9xqiCU Cornered]]". It has something like the same reputation as [[StreetFighter Guile's]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDFDzTOyLvo theme]], for its ability to go with anything.

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** The song has been remixed with just about any song in existence underneath it. Like "[[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Libera Me]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krXTZvkRCD4 From Hell]]" or "[[Franchise/AceAttorney Objection:]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcfXh9xqiCU Cornered]]". It has something like the same reputation as [[StreetFighter [[Franchise/StreetFighter Guile's]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDFDzTOyLvo theme]], for its ability to go with anything.
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%%* FunnyAneurysmMoment: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrUA-BB6Kd8&NR=1&feature=fvwp This [=McDonald=]'s ad from the 1990s]] (see MoralEventHorizon below). Suddenly, interaction between [[spoiler: Jordan and Bird]] has lost its humor value... [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWJB7DFJ4U And then there's the ad's sequel, including Barkley himself.]]

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%%* FunnyAneurysmMoment: HarsherInHindsight: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrUA-BB6Kd8&NR=1&feature=fvwp This [=McDonald=]'s ad from the 1990s]] (see MoralEventHorizon below). Suddenly, interaction between [[spoiler: Jordan and Bird]] has lost its humor value... [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWJB7DFJ4U And then there's the ad's sequel, including Barkley himself.]]
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** The furries in the sewers refer to outsiders as "norms", which is disturbingly similar to the recent (started picking up steam in the mid-2010s) trend of people in various fandoms (furries in particular) calling outsiders "normies".

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** The furries in the sewers refer to outsiders as "norms", which is disturbingly similar to the recent (started picking up steam in the mid-2010s) trend of people in various fandoms (furries in particular) calling outsiders "normies". Also, one of them had himself turned into Huckleberry Hound because of the connection he felt to the character; people who identify as preexisting fictional characters would come to make themselves known on Tumblr in the early 2010s, calling themselves "fictionkin".



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--> ---> WARNING: THE (NOUN) YOU ARE ABOUT TO (VERB) IS CANON.
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* ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs: This is what happens when a 90's nostalgia trip overlaps with a psychedelic one. Unlike the usual hackneyed use of the term "psychedelic," where it's referring to art that's weird or unusual, the game genuinely has a psychedelic quality. It's not psychedelic in terms of the visuals, but rather in all the collective design elements. Every aspect of the game, from the sprites and story to the soundtrack, are drawn from wildly disparate sources. Besides plundering assets from a wide array of SNES titles, the premise of the game draws from 90's basketball, sports games, JRPG cliches, fantasy tabletop gaming, otaku culture, internet forum discourse, and many other areas of 90's and 2000's pop culture. It feels like a product of the state of mind that LSD puts you in, where you're making connections between abstract, seemingly unrelated ideas and dwelling on the complexity of the details in world around you. The game is a layered, absurdly-deep amalgamation of sports, pop culture, and video games that manages to be excellent satire while also staying charming, engaging, and hilarious all the way through.

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* ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs: This is what happens when a 90's nostalgia trip overlaps with a psychedelic one. Unlike the usual hackneyed use of the term "psychedelic," where it's referring to art that's weird or unusual, the game genuinely has a psychedelic quality. It's not psychedelic in terms of the visuals, but rather in all the collective design elements. Every aspect of the game, from the sprites and story to the soundtrack, are drawn from wildly disparate sources. Besides plundering assets from a wide array of SNES titles, the premise of the game draws from 90's basketball, basketball, (and more specifically, as put by [[https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1865298-how-charles-barkley-became-the-face-of-a-cult-classic-adventure-video-game the creators,]] how it was exploited through "sci-fi basketball" of things like ''Space Jam'', ''Videogame/ShaqFu'' and ''Michael Jordan: Chaos In Windy City'') sports games, JRPG cliches, fantasy tabletop gaming, otaku culture, internet forum discourse, and many other areas of 90's and 2000's pop culture. It feels like a product of the state of mind that LSD puts you in, where you're making connections between abstract, seemingly unrelated ideas and dwelling on the complexity of the details in world around you. The game is a layered, absurdly-deep amalgamation of sports, pop culture, and video games that manages to be excellent satire while also staying charming, engaging, and hilarious all the way through.
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* TearJerker: [[spoiler:Michael Jordan]] having a FaceHeelTurn.
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VopY7M0Gyuc Johnathan Taylor Thomas, also named Epic Battle. An original song used for most boss battles.]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n785svhwonM A remix is used in the Kickstarter trailer for the sequel.]]

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VopY7M0Gyuc com/watch?v=XoMaqxivvKY Johnathan Taylor Thomas, also named Epic Battle. An original song used for most boss battles.]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n785svhwonM A remix is used in the Kickstarter trailer for the sequel.]]

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* CommonKnowledge: To this day, the game is coined as being an VideoGame/RPGMaker creation by various sources. While this ''is'' a bit true (It was in development on RPG Maker 2003 at the beginning), the final product was finished in Game Maker 6.1, not RPG Maker.

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* CommonKnowledge: To this day, the game is coined as being an VideoGame/RPGMaker UsefulNotes/RPGMaker creation by various sources. While this ''is'' a bit true (It was in development on RPG Maker 2003 at the beginning), the final product was finished in Game Maker 6.1, not RPG Maker.



* ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs: This is what happens when a 90's nostalgia trip overlaps with a psychedelic one. Unlike the usual hackneyed use of the term "psychedelic," where it's referring to art that's weird or unusual, the game genuinely has a psychedelic quality. It's not psychedelic in terms of the visuals, but rather in all the collective design elements. Every aspect of the game, from the sprites and story to the soundtrack, are drawn from wildly disparate sources. Besides plundering assets from a wide array of SNES titles, the premise of the game draws from 90's basketball, sports games, JRPG cliches, fantasy tabletop gaming, otaku culture, internet forum discourse, and many other areas of 90's and 2000's pop culture. It feels like a product of the state of mind that LSD puts you in, where you're making connections between abstract, seemingly unrelated ideas and dwelling on the complexity of the details in world around you. The game is a layered, absurdly-deep amalgamation of sports, pop culture, and video games that manages to be excellent satire while also staying charming, engaging, and hilarious all the way through.

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* ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs: This is what happens when a 90's nostalgia trip overlaps with a psychedelic one. Unlike the usual hackneyed use of the term "psychedelic," where it's referring to art that's weird or unusual, the game genuinely has a psychedelic quality. It's not psychedelic in terms of the visuals, but rather in all the collective design elements. Every aspect of the game, from the sprites and story to the soundtrack, are drawn from wildly disparate sources. Besides plundering assets from a wide array of SNES titles, the premise of the game draws from 90's basketball, sports games, JRPG cliches, fantasy tabletop gaming, otaku culture, internet forum discourse, and many other areas of 90's and 2000's pop culture. It feels like a product of the state of mind that LSD puts you in, where you're making connections between abstract, seemingly unrelated ideas and dwelling on the complexity of the details in world around you. The game is a layered, absurdly-deep amalgamation of sports, pop culture, and video games that manages to be excellent satire while also staying charming, engaging, and hilarious all the way through.through.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: The title claiming it's a GaidenGame isn't -- well, it's not ''entirely'' a joke. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkley_Shut_Up_and_Jam! Barkley Shut Up and Jam]] is a real game.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: The title claiming it's a GaidenGame isn't a -- or, well, it's not ''entirely'' only ''mostly'' a joke. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkley_Shut_Up_and_Jam! Barkley Shut Up and Jam]] is a real game.game, though the creator admitted to being inspired entirely by the title and never having actually played it.
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* ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs: This is what happens when a 90's nostalgia trip overlaps with a psychedelic one. Unlike the usual hackneyed use of the term "psychedelic," where it's referring to art that's weird or unusual, the game genuinely has a psychedelic quality. It's not psychedelic in terms of the visuals, but rather in all the collective design elements. Every aspect of the game, from the sprites and story to the soundtrack, are drawn from wildly disparate sources. Besides plundering assets from a wide array of SNES titles, the premise of the game draws from 90's basketball, sports games, JRPG cliches, fantasy gaming, otaku culture, internet forum discourse, and many other areas of 90's and 2000's pop culture. It feels like a product of the state of mind that LSD puts you in, where you're making connections between abstract, seemingly unrelated ideas and dwelling on the complexity of the details in world around you. The game is a layered, absurdly-deep amalgamation of sports, pop culture, and video games that manages to be excellent satire while also staying charming, engaging, and hilarious all the way through.

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* ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs: This is what happens when a 90's nostalgia trip overlaps with a psychedelic one. Unlike the usual hackneyed use of the term "psychedelic," where it's referring to art that's weird or unusual, the game genuinely has a psychedelic quality. It's not psychedelic in terms of the visuals, but rather in all the collective design elements. Every aspect of the game, from the sprites and story to the soundtrack, are drawn from wildly disparate sources. Besides plundering assets from a wide array of SNES titles, the premise of the game draws from 90's basketball, sports games, JRPG cliches, fantasy tabletop gaming, otaku culture, internet forum discourse, and many other areas of 90's and 2000's pop culture. It feels like a product of the state of mind that LSD puts you in, where you're making connections between abstract, seemingly unrelated ideas and dwelling on the complexity of the details in world around you. The game is a layered, absurdly-deep amalgamation of sports, pop culture, and video games that manages to be excellent satire while also staying charming, engaging, and hilarious all the way through.
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* ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs: This is what happens when you get high while on a 90's nostalgia trip.

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* ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs: This is what happens when you get high while on a 90's nostalgia trip.trip overlaps with a psychedelic one. Unlike the usual hackneyed use of the term "psychedelic," where it's referring to art that's weird or unusual, the game genuinely has a psychedelic quality. It's not psychedelic in terms of the visuals, but rather in all the collective design elements. Every aspect of the game, from the sprites and story to the soundtrack, are drawn from wildly disparate sources. Besides plundering assets from a wide array of SNES titles, the premise of the game draws from 90's basketball, sports games, JRPG cliches, fantasy gaming, otaku culture, internet forum discourse, and many other areas of 90's and 2000's pop culture. It feels like a product of the state of mind that LSD puts you in, where you're making connections between abstract, seemingly unrelated ideas and dwelling on the complexity of the details in world around you. The game is a layered, absurdly-deep amalgamation of sports, pop culture, and video games that manages to be excellent satire while also staying charming, engaging, and hilarious all the way through.

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* HilariousInHindsight: There's mention near the end of a "loot crate" that contains different things every time you open it. Regardless of the intended reference, present-day players will more likely be reminded of [=LootCrate=], a subscription service that ships customers boxes of random guff every month, or of the widely-mocked (if not outright raged against) trend of multiplayer games rewarding players with "loot boxes" containing possibly-useful but usually-worthless items and frequently cost real money to open. The former was founded in 2012, and the latter were first introduced in ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' in 2010.

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** The furries in the sewers refer to outsiders as "norms", which is disturbingly similar to the recent (started picking up steam in the mid-2010s) trend of people in various fandoms (furries in particular) calling outsiders "normies".
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There's mention near the end of a "loot crate" that contains different things every time you open it. Regardless of the intended reference, present-day players will more likely be reminded of [=LootCrate=], a subscription service that ships customers boxes of random guff every month, or of the widely-mocked (if not outright raged against) trend of multiplayer games rewarding players with "loot boxes" containing possibly-useful but usually-worthless items and frequently cost real money to open. The former was founded in 2012, and the latter were first introduced in ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' in 2010.
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* HilariousInHindsight: There's mention near the end of a "loot crate" that contains different things every time you open it. Regardless of the intended reference, resent-day players will more likely be reminded of [=LootCrate=], a subscription service that ships customers boxes of random guff every month, or of the widely-mocked (if not outright raged against) trend of multiplayer games rewarding players with "loot boxes" containing possibly-useful but usually-worthless items and frequently cost real money to open. The former was founded in 2012, and the latter were first introduced in ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' in 2010.

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* HilariousInHindsight: There's mention near the end of a "loot crate" that contains different things every time you open it. Regardless of the intended reference, resent-day present-day players will more likely be reminded of [=LootCrate=], a subscription service that ships customers boxes of random guff every month, or of the widely-mocked (if not outright raged against) trend of multiplayer games rewarding players with "loot boxes" containing possibly-useful but usually-worthless items and frequently cost real money to open. The former was founded in 2012, and the latter were first introduced in ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' in 2010.
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%%* HarsherInHindsight: Cosby as Ghost Dad.

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%%* HarsherInHindsight: Cosby as Ghost Dad.* HilariousInHindsight: There's mention near the end of a "loot crate" that contains different things every time you open it. Regardless of the intended reference, resent-day players will more likely be reminded of [=LootCrate=], a subscription service that ships customers boxes of random guff every month, or of the widely-mocked (if not outright raged against) trend of multiplayer games rewarding players with "loot boxes" containing possibly-useful but usually-worthless items and frequently cost real money to open. The former was founded in 2012, and the latter were first introduced in ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' in 2010.
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** And then there's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRpw-8vxZag&feature=related Eternity]]," taken directly from ''VideoGame/BlueDragon''. It's sung by Ian Gillan of Music/DeepPurple. The song's meta-info for the artist even says "jesus christ the guy from deep purple sang this." While it's somewhat divisive in''Blue Dragon'', since some people find the singing impossible to take seriously... in ''this game''? A game where the player is already accepting ridiculous amounts of silliness? You've still got that absolutely epic music, but the arguable absurdity of the singing now only ''adds'' to the charm. It really says something that most of the comments on most videos on Website/YouTube for the song are talking about ''this'' game and not ''Blue Dragon''.

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** And then there's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRpw-8vxZag&feature=related Eternity]]," taken directly from ''VideoGame/BlueDragon''. It's sung by Ian Gillan of Music/DeepPurple. The song's meta-info for the artist even says "jesus christ the guy from deep purple sang this." While it's somewhat divisive in''Blue in ''Blue Dragon'', since some people find the singing impossible to take seriously... in ''this game''? A game where the player is already accepting ridiculous amounts of silliness? You've still got that absolutely epic music, but the arguable absurdity of the singing now only ''adds'' to the charm. It really says something that most of the comments on most videos on Website/YouTube for the song are talking about ''this'' game and not ''Blue Dragon''.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: The title claiming it's a GaidenGame isn't -- well, it's not ''entirely'' a joke. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkley_Shut_Up_and_Jam! Barkley Shut Up and Jam]] is a real game.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: To a lesser extent in this case. Back when this game came out, self aware use of Japanese words in English sentences as a joke was almost unheard of, so new players might not get the same out of nowhere "punch" when Barkley calls Jordan a [[spoiler:"sick motherfucking goddamn BAKA!" for injecting his son with type 2 diabetes]

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: To a lesser extent in this case. Back when this game came out, self aware use of Japanese words in English sentences as a joke was almost unheard of, so new players might not get the same out of nowhere "punch" when Barkley calls Jordan a [[spoiler:"sick motherfucking goddamn BAKA!" for injecting his son with type 2 diabetes]diabetes]]
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: To a lesser extent in this case. Back when this game came out, self aware use of Japanese words in English sentences as a joke was almost unheard of, so new players might not get the same out of nowhere "punch" when Barkley calls Jordan a [[spoiler:"sick motherfucking goddamn BAKA!" for injecting his son with type 2 diabetes]
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** This may be intentional, especially considering that the Truck Pump rants are [[TakeThat Take Thats]].
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* CommonKnowledge: To this day, the game is coined as being an RPGMaker creation by various sources. While this ''is'' a bit true (It was in development on RPG Maker 2003 at the beginning), the final product was finished in Game Maker 6.1, not RPG Maker.

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* CommonKnowledge: To this day, the game is coined as being an RPGMaker VideoGame/RPGMaker creation by various sources. While this ''is'' a bit true (It was in development on RPG Maker 2003 at the beginning), the final product was finished in Game Maker 6.1, not RPG Maker.

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* CaptainObviousReveal: [[spoiler: The Ultimate Hellbane being Balthios]], to the point of parody. If he gets a status effect on him in battle, it refers to him as [[spoiler: Balthios]]. His character portrait is also the same, but in silhouette--and then there's the fact that he even [[NominalImportance has a portrait in the first place]]. To make it worse, they refer to [[spoiler:Balthios as an octoroon]] in his introduction, and then not two scenes later, before he even leaves the building, one of the two words they use to describe [[spoiler:The Ultimate Hellbane]], a cloaked, mysterious figure that is a complete enigma, as [[spoiler:an octoroon]]...



* ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs: This is what happens when you get high while on a 90's nostalgia trip.
* TheUntwist: [[spoiler: The Ultimate Hellbane being Balthios]]. If he gets a status effect on him in battle, it refers to him as [[spoiler: Balthios]]. His character portrait is also the same, but in silhouette--and then there's the fact that he even [[NominalImportance has a portrait in the first place]]. To make it worse, they refer to [[spoiler:Balthios as an octoroon]] in his introduction, and then not two scenes later, before he even leaves the building, one of the two words they use to describe [[spoiler:The Ultimate Hellbane]], a cloaked, mysterious figure that is a complete enigma, as [[spoiler:an octoroon]]...

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* ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs: This is what happens when you get high while on a 90's nostalgia trip.
* TheUntwist: [[spoiler: The Ultimate Hellbane being Balthios]]. If he gets a status effect on him in battle, it refers to him as [[spoiler: Balthios]]. His character portrait is also the same, but in silhouette--and then there's the fact that he even [[NominalImportance has a portrait in the first place]]. To make it worse, they refer to [[spoiler:Balthios as an octoroon]] in his introduction, and then not two scenes later, before he even leaves the building, one of the two words they use to describe [[spoiler:The Ultimate Hellbane]], a cloaked, mysterious figure that is a complete enigma, as [[spoiler:an octoroon]]...
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