History YMMV / BakiTheGrappler

26th Apr '16 10:03:41 PM markband
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** Yujiro is an interesting case as he sees himself as BeyondGoodAndEvil. In fact if you look at many of the things he does in contrast to how he generally handles himself in public his actions can be seen to go further straight into BlueAndOrangeMorality territory. While he can be sadistic and mocks others for their weakness, he never seems to relish the pain he inflicts on others in and of itself. Rather, Yujiro love the ACT of inflicting pain and brutalizing others rather than the agony that follows. Further, he never goes out of his way to just destroy and kill. There are even times when Yujiro is shown to be capable of being honorable, noble, and even outright compassionate (though never accuse him of this as he [[BerserkButton can and may]] [[JerkassFacade destroy you for it]]). He is even capable of respecting others and making friends (albeit a small circle of friends). Hell, he can even be downright hospitable in not friendly with the people he has hurt (as seen when he went out for drinks with Doppo Orochi).
20th Apr '16 8:47:58 PM Angeldeb82
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* GameBreaker: Yujiro. It's so far beyond {{badass}}, CantCatchUp and VillainSue that it's ridiculous. The defining example of how broken Yujiro is? His article on the other wiki lists what styles he's beaten and destroyed. The list goes on for a while, up to and including ''single-handedly defeating the armed forces of the United States'' (during ''[[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar the freaking Vietnam War]])'', and ends with '''The Forces of Nature Itself''', with a link to the '''Acts of God article'''.

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* GameBreaker: Yujiro. It's so far beyond {{badass}}, CantCatchUp and VillainSue Villain Sue that it's ridiculous. The defining example of how broken Yujiro is? His article on the other wiki lists what styles he's beaten and destroyed. The list goes on for a while, up to and including ''single-handedly defeating the armed forces of the United States'' (during ''[[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar the freaking Vietnam War]])'', and ends with '''The Forces of Nature Itself''', with a link to the '''Acts of God article'''.
20th Apr '16 8:47:29 PM Angeldeb82
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Interestingly, the dub. Baki was originally portrayed as dreaming of being the strongest to take down his psychopathic father and for love of fighting. The dub portrays Baki as someone who was born into it, and while he likes fighting, he'd give it up for a nice, normal life.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Interestingly, the dub. Baki was originally portrayed as dreaming of being the strongest to take down his psychopathic father and for love of fighting. The dub portrays Baki as someone who was born into it, and while he likes fighting, he'd give it up for a nice, normal life.



* GameBreaker: Yujiro. It's so far beyond {{badass}}, CantCatchUp and VillainSue that it's ridiculous. The defining example of how broken Yujiro is? His article on the other wiki lists what styles he's beaten and destroyed. The list goes on for a while, up to and including ''single-handedly defeating the armed forces of the United States'' (during ''[[TheVietnamWar the freaking Vietnam War]])'', and ends with '''The Forces of Nature Itself''', with a link to the '''Acts of God article'''.

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* GameBreaker: Yujiro. It's so far beyond {{badass}}, CantCatchUp and VillainSue that it's ridiculous. The defining example of how broken Yujiro is? His article on the other wiki lists what styles he's beaten and destroyed. The list goes on for a while, up to and including ''single-handedly defeating the armed forces of the United States'' (during ''[[TheVietnamWar ''[[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar the freaking Vietnam War]])'', and ends with '''The Forces of Nature Itself''', with a link to the '''Acts of God article'''.



* ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs: The fighting manga genre on acid. At first the series is fairly realistic, albeit pushing your suspension of disbelief. After the Maximum Tournament though, ''all bets are off''. By the time you reach Son Of Ogre you'll be wondering what [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs the hell the author was on]]. Considering the author is a former amateur boxer and practices kempo, you wonder if he has brain damage.
* VillainSue: Interestingly enough though, everyone in the series knows Hanma Yujiro is this as well. It's almost a deconstruction of the fighting manga genre, showing what kind of world it would be if everything revolved around CharlesAtlasSuperPower and MyKungFuisStrongerThanYours, and if there was a real life WorldsStrongestMan. [[BewareTheSuperman It isn't pretty]].

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* ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs: The fighting manga genre on acid. At first the series is fairly realistic, albeit pushing your suspension of disbelief. After the Maximum Tournament though, ''all bets are off''. By the time you reach Son Of Ogre you'll be wondering what [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs the hell the author was on]]. Considering the author is a former amateur boxer and practices kempo, you wonder if he has brain damage.
* VillainSue: Interestingly enough though, everyone in the series knows Hanma Yujiro is this as well. It's almost a deconstruction of the fighting manga genre, showing what kind of world it would be if everything revolved around CharlesAtlasSuperPower and MyKungFuisStrongerThanYours, and if there was a real life WorldsStrongestMan. [[BewareTheSuperman It isn't pretty]].
damage.
22nd Mar '16 7:48:14 PM marcoasalazarm
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* GameBreaker: Yujiro. It's so far beyond {{badass}}, CantCatchUp and VillainSue that it's ridiculous. The defining example of how broken Yujiro is? His article on the other wiki lists what styles he's beaten and destroyed. The list goes on for a while, up to and including ''single-handedly defeating the armed forces of the United States'', and ends with '''The Forces of Nature Itself''', with a link to the '''Acts of God article'''.

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* GameBreaker: Yujiro. It's so far beyond {{badass}}, CantCatchUp and VillainSue that it's ridiculous. The defining example of how broken Yujiro is? His article on the other wiki lists what styles he's beaten and destroyed. The list goes on for a while, up to and including ''single-handedly defeating the armed forces of the United States'', States'' (during ''[[TheVietnamWar the freaking Vietnam War]])'', and ends with '''The Forces of Nature Itself''', with a link to the '''Acts of God article'''. article'''.



* VillainSue: Interestingly enough though, everyone in the series knows Hanma Yujiro is this as well. Its almost a deconstruction of the fighting manga genre, showing what kind of world it would be if everything revolved around CharlesAtlasSuperPower and MyKungFuisStrongerThanYours, and if there was a real life WorldsStrongestMan. [[BewareTheSuperman It isn't pretty]].

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* VillainSue: Interestingly enough though, everyone in the series knows Hanma Yujiro is this as well. Its It's almost a deconstruction of the fighting manga genre, showing what kind of world it would be if everything revolved around CharlesAtlasSuperPower and MyKungFuisStrongerThanYours, and if there was a real life WorldsStrongestMan. [[BewareTheSuperman It isn't pretty]].
21st Mar '16 8:44:24 AM marcoasalazarm
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* EsotericHappyEnding: And how! Yujiro decides to give Baki the "WorldsStrongestMan" title after their fight and walk away content, and Baki is okay with that... but Baki didn't defeat Yujiro (even after all of his training, it's ''still'' impossible): Yujiro gave Baki the title because he's the only guy in the entire series that made Yujiro so much as ''actually break a sweat'' during a fight. By all means and purposes, he remains a KarmaHoudini.
* GameBreaker: Yujiro. It's so far beyond {{badass}}, CantCatchUp and VillainSue that it's ridiculous. The defining example of how broken Yujiro is? His article on the other wiki lists what styles he's beaten and destroyed. The list goes on for a while, up to and including ''single-handedly defeating the armed forces of the United States'', and ends with '''The Forces of Nature Itself''', with a link to the ''Acts of God article''.

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* EsotericHappyEnding: And how! Yujiro [[spoiler:Yujiro decides to give Baki the "WorldsStrongestMan" title after their fight and walk away content, and Baki is okay with that... but Baki didn't defeat Yujiro (even after all of his training, it's ''still'' impossible): Yujiro gave Baki the title because he's the only guy in the entire series that made Yujiro so much as ''actually break a sweat'' during a fight. By all means and purposes, he remains a KarmaHoudini.
KarmaHoudini.]]
* GameBreaker: Yujiro. It's so far beyond {{badass}}, CantCatchUp and VillainSue that it's ridiculous. The defining example of how broken Yujiro is? His article on the other wiki lists what styles he's beaten and destroyed. The list goes on for a while, up to and including ''single-handedly defeating the armed forces of the United States'', and ends with '''The Forces of Nature Itself''', with a link to the ''Acts '''Acts of God article''.article'''.
21st Mar '16 8:43:05 AM marcoasalazarm
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* EsotericHappyEnding: And how!
* GameBreaker: Yujiro. It's so far beyond {{badass}}, CantCatchUp and VillainSue that it's ridiculous. The defining example of how broken Yujiro is? His article on the other wiki lists what styles he's beaten and destroyed. The list goes on for a while, and ends with ''The Forces of Nature Itself'', with a link to the ''Acts of God article''.

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* EsotericHappyEnding: And how!
how! Yujiro decides to give Baki the "WorldsStrongestMan" title after their fight and walk away content, and Baki is okay with that... but Baki didn't defeat Yujiro (even after all of his training, it's ''still'' impossible): Yujiro gave Baki the title because he's the only guy in the entire series that made Yujiro so much as ''actually break a sweat'' during a fight. By all means and purposes, he remains a KarmaHoudini.
* GameBreaker: Yujiro. It's so far beyond {{badass}}, CantCatchUp and VillainSue that it's ridiculous. The defining example of how broken Yujiro is? His article on the other wiki lists what styles he's beaten and destroyed. The list goes on for a while, up to and including ''single-handedly defeating the armed forces of the United States'', and ends with ''The '''The Forces of Nature Itself'', Itself''', with a link to the ''Acts of God article''.
23rd Oct '15 1:50:08 PM Morgenthaler
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** Well, in the manga Baki also says, that if his father was weakest man on Earth, he would have been satisfied with being the second weakest.
*** Yujiro has gotten a lot of characterization. he believes himself to simply be an animal and above human morals. All he wanted in life was simply to fight someone as an equal. Now that Baki has gotten near Yujiro's level, Yujiro is seemingly happy and treating Baki more like his own son rather then a maggot.



* GameBreaker: Yujiro. It's so far beyond {{badass}}, CantCatchUp and VillainSue that it's ridiculous.
** The defining example of how broken Yujiro is? His article on the other wiki lists what styles he's beaten and destroyed. The list goes on for a while, and ends with ''The Forces of Nature Itself'', with a link to the ''Acts of God article''.

to:

* GameBreaker: Yujiro. It's so far beyond {{badass}}, CantCatchUp and VillainSue that it's ridiculous.
**
ridiculous. The defining example of how broken Yujiro is? His article on the other wiki lists what styles he's beaten and destroyed. The list goes on for a while, and ends with ''The Forces of Nature Itself'', with a link to the ''Acts of God article''.



*** Plus, the anime's last two episodes are a flashback to Yujiro's youth, when among other things he went on a 2-year romp/killing spree through a warzone at the tender age of 16. [[spoiler:Turns out he's one of the main reasons America had to pull out of Vietnam.]]
**** The final fabled fight between Baki and Yujiro has come to pass. Yujiro seems to have accepted Baki as his son, and it is the first time anyone has ever matched blows with him.
***** And in the end Yujiro still beats Baki with ease.
** plus the aforementioned [[spoiler: clone of Miyamoto Musashi down below, who could probably give even Yujiro a run for his money when it comes to this.]].



* VillainSue: Interestingly enough though, everyone in the series knows Hanma Yujiro is this as well. Its almost a deconstruction of the fighting manga genre, showing what kind of world it would be if everything revolved around CharlesAtlasSuperPower and MyKungFuisStrongerThanYours, and if there was a real life WorldsStrongestMan. [[BewareTheSuperman It isn't pretty]].
** People still hate the character, though.
*** And now there's a new one. Yes, a New Villain Sue in the series.[[spoiler:In Baki Dou, we are introduced to the clone of Miyamoto Musashi, who is apparently so damn powerful that he can beat freaking Baki with laughable ease. Keep in mind, this Baki post final Yujiro fight. ]]

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* VillainSue: Interestingly enough though, everyone in the series knows Hanma Yujiro is this as well. Its almost a deconstruction of the fighting manga genre, showing what kind of world it would be if everything revolved around CharlesAtlasSuperPower and MyKungFuisStrongerThanYours, and if there was a real life WorldsStrongestMan. [[BewareTheSuperman It isn't pretty]].
** People still hate the character, though.
*** And now there's a new one. Yes, a New Villain Sue in the series.[[spoiler:In Baki Dou, we are introduced to the clone of Miyamoto Musashi, who is apparently so damn powerful that he can beat freaking Baki with laughable ease. Keep in mind, this Baki post final Yujiro fight. ]]
pretty]].
23rd Oct '15 1:49:33 PM Morgenthaler
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* VillainSue: Interestingly enough though, everyone in the series [[GenreSavvy knows]] Hanma Yujiro is this as well. Its almost a deconstruction of the fighting manga genre, showing what kind of world it would be if everything revolved around CharlesAtlasSuperPower and MyKungFuisStrongerThanYours, and if there was a real life WorldsStrongestMan. [[BewareTheSuperman It isn't pretty]].

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* VillainSue: Interestingly enough though, everyone in the series [[GenreSavvy knows]] knows Hanma Yujiro is this as well. Its almost a deconstruction of the fighting manga genre, showing what kind of world it would be if everything revolved around CharlesAtlasSuperPower and MyKungFuisStrongerThanYours, and if there was a real life WorldsStrongestMan. [[BewareTheSuperman It isn't pretty]].
22nd Jul '15 8:26:50 AM DuskNoble
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** Well, in the manga Baki also says, that if his father was weakest man on the Earth, he would have been satisfied with being the second weakest.
*** Yujiro has gotten a lot of characterization. he believes himself to simply be an animal and above human morals. All he wanted in life was simply to fight someone as an equal. Now that Baki has gotten near Yujiros level, Yujiro is seemingly happy and treating Baki more like his own son rather then a maggot.

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** Well, in the manga Baki also says, that if his father was weakest man on the Earth, he would have been satisfied with being the second weakest.
*** Yujiro has gotten a lot of characterization. he believes himself to simply be an animal and above human morals. All he wanted in life was simply to fight someone as an equal. Now that Baki has gotten near Yujiros Yujiro's level, Yujiro is seemingly happy and treating Baki more like his own son rather then a maggot.
16th Feb '15 9:10:37 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Yujiro Hanma, definitely. He beat the everloving crap out of his own son, titular Baki Hanma, so that Baki's entire body, except his face, is covered in scars, killed Baki's mother, and then beat up Baki's friends and allies ''just to show he could'', '''ALL IN LESS THAN AN HOUR'''. Yujiro has enough CharlesAtlasSuperpower to be effectively untouchable by police and authorities ([[OneManArmy even the military]]) and uses his abilities to do whatever suits his fancy without repercussions to put relentless psychological pressure on his son (including, but not limited to, threatening to kill his girlfriend if Baki fails his expectations, and to subject Baki's possible children to the same abuse he had piled on Baki), just to create an opponent worthy of himself. And that's not counting the ''thousands'' of people he murdered since he was at least sixteen, or the fact that every fight we've seen him in ended in him delivering a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown while [[SlasherSmile grinning like a maniac]], just because [[ForTheEvulz it's the sadistic bastard's idea of fun]]. Or how he treats [[TheUnfavorite his other son]] (i.e. less than dirt on his slippers). Baki puts himself through TrainingFromHell and a series of incredibly brutal [[TournamentArc martial arts tournaments]] just to become able to protect himself and his loved ones from Yujiro. The worst part is that Yujiro [[KarmaHoudini hasn't got his comeuppance yet]] - [[LongRunners after about 600+ chapters]] - although this is somewhat understandable, as his defeat probably would end the series.
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