History YMMV / BabylonFive

23rd Feb '17 9:36:25 AM embala
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*** The rabbi could have also just liked the song and enjoyed the experience. It's not unheard of for non-Christians to enjoy gospel music.
10th Feb '17 8:52:37 PM creader
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** Numerous, but Michael O'Hare having to leave B5 due to struggles with mental illness is the biggest. Had he stayed, the "War without End" story would have been at the end of Season 5 and had a much longer burn.
** If you stop to think about it, the BadFuture in "War Without End" doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If Valen never travels to the past, who is to say [=B5=] (to say nothing of [=B4=]) would even exist, with all its senior staff still in place? No Valen means no Grey Council, which would upset a lot of events in [=B5=] history. Why would the Shadows use torch cutters in order to fight hand-to-claw (so to speak) when they're just going to blow the station up with their ships anyway?\\\
Well, there's a reason for that. Ivanova's message from the future was supposed to be a {{call forward}} to the ''other'' 5-year series JMS wanted to do that got (mercifully) abandoned at some point: Where [=B5=] fell after [[TheBadGuyWins failing to bring peace]] and Sinclair stole [=B4=], in order to set up a spinoff. In the original storyline, it was the Minbari attacking [=B5=] and destroying it, not the Shadows. The Shadows were supposed to be ultimately defeated during the spin off series: ''[[http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/synopsis-of-jmss-synopsis-of-the-original-arc-for-b5-spoilers.53739/ Babylon Prime.]]''\\\
Of course once Michael O'Hare left they very well couldn't use that ending (since it all hinged on Sinclair). Coupled with worries about even getting [=B5=] finished, JMS merged his original plan for ''Babylon 5'' (basically what we got in season 1 & 3.5) and ''Babylon Prime'' (seasons 3.5 & 5) to create the [=B5=] we got. "War without End" was then used to retconn the vision as being about the Shadows attacking and not the Minbari (whose civil war story line was now moved to season 4). It also allowed the show to better tie together the show by establishing everything was a causality loop.\\\
Considering what JMS was dealing with it's kind of amazing how he managed to pull things off. He combined two 5-year series into a single series. Leading to at most the only complaint being about why the Shadows would bother with a "ground" attack; a minor question mark.
** The reason why the end of season 4 seems so crowded, and the beginning of season 5 seems mostly composed of [[{{Padding}} filler]], is because the show was originally going to be cancelled after four seasons due to Creator/{{PTEN}} going under. Season 4 was originally intended to end with the episode "Intersections in Real Time", and the Earth Civil War would be resolved at the beginning of season 5. Instead, the events of season 4 were shortened by four episodes (removing a story arc about Londo and G'Kar returning to Centauri Prime), and the resolution to the Earth Civil War arc was crammed into three super-dense episodes followed by the grand finale.\\\
Then, at the last, minute the show's fifth season was picked up by cable network {{Creator/TNT}} -- but now they'd already used half a season's worth of material. They filled the gap by stretching the telepath-colony arc from three episodes to '''eleven''' and re-inserting the aforementioned Londo-and-G'Kar arc, as well as including standalone filler episodes ranging in quality, from the yawner "A View from the Gallery" to Creator/NeilGaiman's marvelous "Day Of The Dead".\\\
A new standalone season 4 finale was also hastily shot, with the finale "Sleeping in Light" held back to the end of season 5.
12th Jan '17 11:53:58 AM CheeseDogX
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** Bester qualifies as well, managing to get the upper hand every time with even the protagonists impressed by his [[KarmaHoudini evasion of karmic justice]]. He slips into SmugSnake at times, though (especially in the first couple seasons). Too many of the heroes think just shooting him is a reasonable option. By Seasons 3 and 4 though, he has clearly graduated to this. It should say something about Bester that even Doctor Franklin, a through-and-through pacifist, feels that Bester needs to be shot.

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** Bester qualifies as well, managing to get the upper hand every time with even the protagonists impressed by his [[KarmaHoudini evasion of karmic justice]]. He slips into SmugSnake at times, though (especially in the first couple seasons). Too many of the heroes think just shooting him is a reasonable option. By Seasons 3 and 4 though, he has clearly graduated to this. It should say something about Bester that even Doctor Franklin, a through-and-through pacifist, ActualPacifist, feels that Bester needs to be shot.
12th Jan '17 11:49:00 AM CheeseDogX
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** Sinclair is from Mars, though it's not mentioned as frequently as Ivanova's origin.
11th Jan '17 1:06:29 PM CheeseDogX
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** The end of "And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place." [[spoiler:Lord Refa being brutally murdered by a gang of Narn]] would be grim and kind of horrible, at best coldly satisfying. Intercut it with that song in particular and show people celebrating as they sing it, and the scene becomes [[RefugeInAudacity an exercise in such sheer audacity]] that it skips gaily back over the line. All to help kill any sympathy one might have for [[spoiler:Lord Refa]].

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** The end of "And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place." [[spoiler:Lord Refa being brutally murdered by a gang of Narn]] would be grim and kind of horrible, at best coldly satisfying. Intercut it with that song in particular and show people celebrating as they sing it, and the scene becomes [[RefugeInAudacity an exercise in such sheer audacity]] that it skips gaily back over the line. All to help kill any sympathy one might have for [[spoiler:Lord Refa]]. JMS, in describing the scene, refers to it as "counterpoint," and describes a similar scene in ''{{Theatre/Chicago}}'' which inspired him.
11th Jan '17 1:02:37 PM CheeseDogX
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* IronWoobie: Vir becomes this as part of his CharacterDevelopment. Constantly put upon, he refuses to stoop to the level of people like Morden, and always stays true to his principles, come what may. Londo even comments on it [[spoiler: after Vir gets blind drunk after assassinating Emperor Cartagia]] in the 4th season. He states that if after all he has been through, he envies Vir for still being so idealistic [[spoiler: as to feel remorse for killing an AxCrazy genocidal maniac]].

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* IronWoobie: Vir becomes this as part of his CharacterDevelopment. Constantly put upon, he refuses to stoop to the level of people like Morden, and always stays true to his principles, come what may. Londo even comments on it [[spoiler: after when Vir gets blind drunk after assassinating Emperor Cartagia]] in the 4th season. He states that if after all he has been through, he envies Vir for still being so idealistic [[spoiler: as to feel remorse that he thinks he can't live with himself for killing an AxCrazy genocidal maniac]].
11th Jan '17 1:01:01 PM CheeseDogX
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%%* IronWoobie: Vir.
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Vir becomes this example without expanding it.as part of his CharacterDevelopment. Constantly put upon, he refuses to stoop to the level of people like Morden, and always stays true to his principles, come what may. Londo even comments on it [[spoiler: after Vir gets blind drunk after assassinating Emperor Cartagia]] in the 4th season. He states that if after all he has been through, he envies Vir for still being so idealistic [[spoiler: as to feel remorse for killing an AxCrazy genocidal maniac]].
11th Jan '17 12:53:02 PM CheeseDogX
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* InformedAbility: In ''Passing Through Gethsemane'', Sheridan is shown an example of some type of sculpture Brother Edward made. He looks on it with awe, and calls it beautiful. Brother Theo comments that Brother Edward's work could earn some much-needed money for the Order, but Brother Edward insists on giving it away for free. The thing they're admiring, however, looks like small bits of glass (or transparent plastic) glued together. It's not even clear what the object is supposed to be. It's interesting to look at, but hardly the amazing work of art the characters claim it is.
9th Dec '16 11:39:11 AM Scifimaster92
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** The sheer amount of untimely deaths suffered by the cast, which even more than ''Film/{{Poltergeist}}'' can make you wonder if there's a curse on them:

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** The sheer amount of untimely deaths suffered by the cast, which even more than ''Film/{{Poltergeist}}'' or ''Series/{{Bewitched}}'' can make you wonder if there's a curse on them:
9th Dec '16 11:37:35 AM Scifimaster92
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** Many fans of the series have pointed out that ''Series/AncienAliens'' correspondent Giorgio Tsoukalos' [[MemeticHair infamous hairstyle]] rather resembles that of a Centauri.

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** Many fans of the series have pointed out that ''Series/AncienAliens'' ''Series/AncientAliens'' correspondent Giorgio Tsoukalos' [[MemeticHair infamous hairstyle]] rather resembles that of a Centauri.
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