History YMMV / BabylonFive

22nd Jun '17 9:47:58 AM ErikModi
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** The genius of it is that it's played so magnificently subtly, it can be read almost any way the viewer wants. Even Ivanova's declaration of love could be taken as friendly love instead of romantic. One of the sharpest pieces of both writing and acting in show filled with sharp writing and acting.

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** The genius of it is that it's played so magnificently subtly, it can be read almost any way the viewer wants. Even Ivanova's declaration of love could be taken as friendly love instead of romantic. One of the sharpest pieces of both writing and acting in show filled with sharp writing and acting. Even the fact that they were sharing a bed ''could'' be seen platonically (after all, it's not like Ivanova has a spare bedroom in her quarters).
17th Jun '17 6:05:21 PM lrrose
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*** Stephen Furst, complications from diabetes in 2017 at age 63.
16th Jun '17 11:04:13 AM nombretomado
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** In the episode "Spider in the Web," JMS gave Jeff Conaway a bit part as a security officer, simply wanting to help him get back on his feet after he kicked his heroin addiction that cost him his job on ''{{Taxi}}''. This worked out so well that his character got a name, Zack Allen, and eventually joined the main cast.

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** In the episode "Spider in the Web," JMS gave Jeff Conaway a bit part as a security officer, simply wanting to help him get back on his feet after he kicked his heroin addiction that cost him his job on ''{{Taxi}}''.''Series/{{Taxi}}''. This worked out so well that his character got a name, Zack Allen, and eventually joined the main cast.
10th Jun '17 12:31:19 AM NoxSky12599
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*** Richard Biggs, congenital heart defect at age 44
*** Tim Choate, motorcycle accident at age 49
*** Andreas Katsulas, lung cancer at age 59
*** Jeff Conaway, drug overdose at age 60
*** Michael O'Hare, heart attack after years of schizophrenia at age 60
*** Jerry Doyle, complications from alcoholism at age 60

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*** Richard Biggs, congenital heart defect in 2004 at age 44
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*** Tim Choate, motorcycle accident in 2004 at age 49
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*** Andreas Katsulas, lung cancer in 2006 at age 59
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*** Jeff Conaway, drug overdose in 2011 at age 60
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*** Michael O'Hare, heart attack after years of schizophrenia in 2012 at age 60
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*** Jerry Doyle, complications from alcoholism in 2016 at age 6060.
24th May '17 10:00:36 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* ValuesResonance: In "[[Recap/BabylonFiveS02E05TheLongDark The Long Dark]]" Creator/DwightSchultz plays an [=EarthForce=] vet with cripplingly bad PTSD [[spoiler:exacerbated by a Shadow creature]]. Probably referred to UsefulNotes/{{Vietnam|War}} originally, but with UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror in the 2000s and hundreds of thousands of vets coming home barely functional...

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* ValuesResonance: In "[[Recap/BabylonFiveS02E05TheLongDark The Long Dark]]" Creator/DwightSchultz plays an [=EarthForce=] vet with cripplingly bad PTSD [[spoiler:exacerbated by a Shadow creature]]. Probably referred to UsefulNotes/{{Vietnam|War}} [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar Vietnam]] originally, but with UsefulNotes/TheWarOnTerror in the 2000s and hundreds of thousands of vets coming home barely functional...
13th May '17 6:43:51 PM WarriorsGate
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** Many fans of the series have pointed out that ''Series/AncientAliens'' correspondent Giorgio Tsoukalos' [[MemeticHair infamous hairstyle]] rather resembles that of a Centauri.

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** Many fans of the series have pointed out that ''Series/AncientAliens'' correspondent Giorgio Tsoukalos' [[MemeticHair infamous hairstyle]] rather resembles that of a Centauri. Centauri (itself based on Marvel Comics's Shi'ar race).
** The Centauri race are very obviously based on the Shi'ar Star Empire from Creator/MarvelComics. Three years after the show ended, J. Michael Straczynski would go on to write for Marvel Comics, largely because of the clout he gained creating Babylon 5.
4th Apr '17 1:28:34 AM NoxSky12599
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*** See also the scene involving Zack, Garibaldi and Lochley in "The River of Souls". Guess which one of the three actors in that scene is no longer with us?

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*** See also the There's a scene involving Zack, Garibaldi Garibaldi, and Lochley in "The River of Souls". Guess which one Souls" where they discuss the afterlife. As of 2017, two of the three actors in that scene is no longer with us?have found out about it personally.


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** Part of season 5 was devoted to Garibaldi's lapse into alcoholism. Alcoholism was a contributing factor in Jerry Doyle's death in 2017.


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--->'''JMS''': It is another loss in a string of losses that I cannot understand. Of the main cast, we have lost Richard Biggs, Michael O'Hare, Andreas Katsulas, Jeff Conaway, and now Jerry Doyle, and I'm goddamned tired of it. So dear sweet universe, if you are paying attention in the vastness of interstellar space, take a moment from plotting the trajectory of comets and designing new DNA in farflung cosmos, and spare a thought for those who you have plucked so untimely from our ranks... and knock it off for a while. Because this isn't fair.
23rd Feb '17 9:36:25 AM embala
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*** The rabbi could have also just liked the song and enjoyed the experience. It's not unheard of for non-Christians to enjoy gospel music.
10th Feb '17 8:52:37 PM creader
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** Numerous, but Michael O'Hare having to leave B5 due to struggles with mental illness is the biggest. Had he stayed, the "War without End" story would have been at the end of Season 5 and had a much longer burn.
** If you stop to think about it, the BadFuture in "War Without End" doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If Valen never travels to the past, who is to say [=B5=] (to say nothing of [=B4=]) would even exist, with all its senior staff still in place? No Valen means no Grey Council, which would upset a lot of events in [=B5=] history. Why would the Shadows use torch cutters in order to fight hand-to-claw (so to speak) when they're just going to blow the station up with their ships anyway?\\\
Well, there's a reason for that. Ivanova's message from the future was supposed to be a {{call forward}} to the ''other'' 5-year series JMS wanted to do that got (mercifully) abandoned at some point: Where [=B5=] fell after [[TheBadGuyWins failing to bring peace]] and Sinclair stole [=B4=], in order to set up a spinoff. In the original storyline, it was the Minbari attacking [=B5=] and destroying it, not the Shadows. The Shadows were supposed to be ultimately defeated during the spin off series: ''[[http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/synopsis-of-jmss-synopsis-of-the-original-arc-for-b5-spoilers.53739/ Babylon Prime.]]''\\\
Of course once Michael O'Hare left they very well couldn't use that ending (since it all hinged on Sinclair). Coupled with worries about even getting [=B5=] finished, JMS merged his original plan for ''Babylon 5'' (basically what we got in season 1 & 3.5) and ''Babylon Prime'' (seasons 3.5 & 5) to create the [=B5=] we got. "War without End" was then used to retconn the vision as being about the Shadows attacking and not the Minbari (whose civil war story line was now moved to season 4). It also allowed the show to better tie together the show by establishing everything was a causality loop.\\\
Considering what JMS was dealing with it's kind of amazing how he managed to pull things off. He combined two 5-year series into a single series. Leading to at most the only complaint being about why the Shadows would bother with a "ground" attack; a minor question mark.
** The reason why the end of season 4 seems so crowded, and the beginning of season 5 seems mostly composed of [[{{Padding}} filler]], is because the show was originally going to be cancelled after four seasons due to Creator/{{PTEN}} going under. Season 4 was originally intended to end with the episode "Intersections in Real Time", and the Earth Civil War would be resolved at the beginning of season 5. Instead, the events of season 4 were shortened by four episodes (removing a story arc about Londo and G'Kar returning to Centauri Prime), and the resolution to the Earth Civil War arc was crammed into three super-dense episodes followed by the grand finale.\\\
Then, at the last, minute the show's fifth season was picked up by cable network {{Creator/TNT}} -- but now they'd already used half a season's worth of material. They filled the gap by stretching the telepath-colony arc from three episodes to '''eleven''' and re-inserting the aforementioned Londo-and-G'Kar arc, as well as including standalone filler episodes ranging in quality, from the yawner "A View from the Gallery" to Creator/NeilGaiman's marvelous "Day Of The Dead".\\\
A new standalone season 4 finale was also hastily shot, with the finale "Sleeping in Light" held back to the end of season 5.
12th Jan '17 11:53:58 AM CheeseDogX
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** Bester qualifies as well, managing to get the upper hand every time with even the protagonists impressed by his [[KarmaHoudini evasion of karmic justice]]. He slips into SmugSnake at times, though (especially in the first couple seasons). Too many of the heroes think just shooting him is a reasonable option. By Seasons 3 and 4 though, he has clearly graduated to this. It should say something about Bester that even Doctor Franklin, a through-and-through pacifist, feels that Bester needs to be shot.

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** Bester qualifies as well, managing to get the upper hand every time with even the protagonists impressed by his [[KarmaHoudini evasion of karmic justice]]. He slips into SmugSnake at times, though (especially in the first couple seasons). Too many of the heroes think just shooting him is a reasonable option. By Seasons 3 and 4 though, he has clearly graduated to this. It should say something about Bester that even Doctor Franklin, a through-and-through pacifist, ActualPacifist, feels that Bester needs to be shot.
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