History YMMV / BIONICLE

15th May '17 6:16:21 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Characters behaving contrary to their established personalities in other media? Unfitting or unprofessional voice acting? {{Special Effects Failure}}s? VillainDecay? DeusExMachina? CanonDiscontinuity? Obnoxious comic relief? Clichéd plot? These are just a few of the harsh criticisms towards ''The Legend Reborn''...and yet all of these problems can be found in the original Miramax film trilogy. Fans just conveniently choose to forget that and uphold those films as [[SacredCow perfect masterpieces]] compared to ''The Legend Reborn''.
4th May '17 6:47:24 AM LegoLover58
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** How [[spoiler: Makuta]] is defeated. He's [[spoiler:hit in the back of the head by a damn rock]].
25th Apr '17 8:15:37 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[SatanicArchetype Makuta Teridax]] is the psychopathic narcissist responsible for [[BigBad orchestrating]] nearly [[TheChessmaster all of the evil]] in the ''BIONICLE'' universe in [[AGodAmI his quest for godhood]]. Once a member of the peacekeeping yet vicious Brotherhood of Makuta, Teridax's [[StartOfDarkness campaign of evil]] began when, deciding he deserved to rule, he manipulated his fellow Makuta into betraying [[TheCreator Mata Nui]], infecting him with a virus that dragged him down from the heavens and sent shockwaves of destruction and anarchy throughout the cosmos. Following this, Teridax began waging war on anyone that wouldn't cow to his whims, with atrocities ranging everything from unleashing the genocidal Bohrok to kill thousands of innocents, to regularly trying to slaughter hundreds of Matoran. Even when seemingly beaten numerous times, Teridax always reaches out with his mind and [[TheCorrupter corrupts]] other warlords like the Piraka into becoming his servants, using them to enslave and butcher entire villages alongside overrunning islands with the spider-like [[SpidersAreScary Visorak]]. Once gaining the god-like power he has so long craved by [[GrandTheftMe body-jacking Mata Nui's original form]], Teridax [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness annihilates his former allies]] while treating all life as playthings for him to torture and sadistically kill as he pleases. Teridax also subjects many rebels to horrific [[FateWorseThanDeath fates worse than death]], and goes on to torture and brainwash the former heroes of the Matoran into becoming his personal attack dogs. In the end, Teridax tracks down a revived Mata Nui on the desert world Bara Magna, and attempts to obliterate the entire planet and its population just to spite his "brother". Teridax was a depraved, shockingly vile villain for a franchise originally meant for children, and stands out as the only wholly irredeemable villain in the setting, with his monstrous personality and 100,000 year campaign of darkness made all the worse by the fact that, as alternate reality versions of himself show, he was fully capable of redemption, yet rejected it at every turn.

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* CompleteMonster: [[SatanicArchetype Makuta Teridax]] is the psychopathic narcissist responsible for [[BigBad orchestrating]] nearly [[TheChessmaster all of the evil]] in the ''BIONICLE'' universe in [[AGodAmI his quest for godhood]]. Once a member of the peacekeeping yet vicious Brotherhood of Makuta, Teridax's [[StartOfDarkness campaign of evil]] began when, deciding he deserved to rule, he manipulated his fellow Makuta into betraying [[TheCreator Mata Nui]], infecting him with a virus that dragged him down from the heavens and sent shockwaves of destruction and anarchy throughout the cosmos. Following this, Teridax began waging war on anyone that wouldn't cow to his whims, with atrocities ranging everything from unleashing the genocidal Bohrok to kill thousands of innocents, to regularly trying to slaughter hundreds of Matoran. Even when seemingly beaten numerous times, Teridax always reaches out with his mind and [[TheCorrupter corrupts]] other warlords like the Piraka into becoming his servants, using them to enslave and butcher entire villages alongside overrunning islands with the spider-like [[SpidersAreScary Visorak]]. Once gaining the god-like power he has so long craved by [[GrandTheftMe body-jacking Mata Nui's original form]], Teridax [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness annihilates his former allies]] while treating all life as playthings for him to torture and sadistically kill as he pleases. Teridax also subjects many rebels to horrific [[FateWorseThanDeath fates worse than death]], and goes on to torture and brainwash the former heroes of the Matoran into becoming his personal attack dogs. In the end, Teridax tracks down a revived Mata Nui on the desert world Bara Magna, and attempts to obliterate the entire planet and its population just to spite his "brother". Teridax was a depraved, shockingly vile villain for a franchise originally meant for children, and stands out as the only wholly irredeemable villain in the setting, with his monstrous personality and 100,000 year campaign of darkness made all the worse by the fact that, as alternate reality versions of himself show, he was fully capable of redemption, yet rejected it at every turn.See [[Monster/{{Bionicle}} HERE]].
9th Apr '17 3:02:02 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[SatanicArchetype Makuta Teridax]] is the psychopathic narcissist responsible for [[BigBad orchestrating]] nearly [[TheChessmaster all of the evil]] in the ''BIONICLE'' universe in [[AGodAmI his quest for godhood]]. Once a member of the peacekeeping yet vicious Brotherhood of Makuta, Teridax's [[StartOfDarkness campaign of evil]] began when, deciding he deserved to rule, he manipulated his fellow Makuta into betraying [[TheCreator Mata Nui]], infecting him with a virus that dragged him down from the heavens and sent shockwaves of destruction and anarchy throughout the cosmos. Following this, Teridax began waging war on anyone that wouldn't cow to his whims, with atrocities ranging everything from unleashing the genocidal Bohrok to kill thousands of innocents, to regularly trying to slaughter hundreds of Matoran. Even when seemingly beaten numerous times, Teridax always reaches out with his mind and [[TheCorrupter corrupts]] other warlords like the Piraka into becoming his servants, using them to enslave and butcher entire villages alongside overrunning islands with the spider-like [[SpidersAreScary Visorak]]. Once gaining the god-like power he has so long craved by [[GrandTheftMe body-jacking Mata Nui's original form, Teridax [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness annihilates his former allies]] while treating all life as playthings for him to torture and sadistically kill as he pleases. Teridax also subjects many rebels to horrific [[FateWorseThanDeath fates worse than death]], and goes on to torture and brainwash the former heroes of the Matoran into becoming his personal attack dogs. In the end, Teridax tracks down a revived Mata Nui on the desert world Bara Magna, and attempts to obliterate the entire planet and its population just to spite his "brother". Teridax was a depraved, shockingly vile villain for a franchise originally meant for children, and stands out as the only wholly irredeemable villain in the setting, with his monstrous personality and 100,000 year campaign of darkness made all the worse by the fact that, as alternate reality versions of himself show, he was fully capable of redemption, yet rejected it at every turn.

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* CompleteMonster: [[SatanicArchetype Makuta Teridax]] is the psychopathic narcissist responsible for [[BigBad orchestrating]] nearly [[TheChessmaster all of the evil]] in the ''BIONICLE'' universe in [[AGodAmI his quest for godhood]]. Once a member of the peacekeeping yet vicious Brotherhood of Makuta, Teridax's [[StartOfDarkness campaign of evil]] began when, deciding he deserved to rule, he manipulated his fellow Makuta into betraying [[TheCreator Mata Nui]], infecting him with a virus that dragged him down from the heavens and sent shockwaves of destruction and anarchy throughout the cosmos. Following this, Teridax began waging war on anyone that wouldn't cow to his whims, with atrocities ranging everything from unleashing the genocidal Bohrok to kill thousands of innocents, to regularly trying to slaughter hundreds of Matoran. Even when seemingly beaten numerous times, Teridax always reaches out with his mind and [[TheCorrupter corrupts]] other warlords like the Piraka into becoming his servants, using them to enslave and butcher entire villages alongside overrunning islands with the spider-like [[SpidersAreScary Visorak]]. Once gaining the god-like power he has so long craved by [[GrandTheftMe body-jacking Mata Nui's original form, form]], Teridax [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness annihilates his former allies]] while treating all life as playthings for him to torture and sadistically kill as he pleases. Teridax also subjects many rebels to horrific [[FateWorseThanDeath fates worse than death]], and goes on to torture and brainwash the former heroes of the Matoran into becoming his personal attack dogs. In the end, Teridax tracks down a revived Mata Nui on the desert world Bara Magna, and attempts to obliterate the entire planet and its population just to spite his "brother". Teridax was a depraved, shockingly vile villain for a franchise originally meant for children, and stands out as the only wholly irredeemable villain in the setting, with his monstrous personality and 100,000 year campaign of darkness made all the worse by the fact that, as alternate reality versions of himself show, he was fully capable of redemption, yet rejected it at every turn.
9th Apr '17 2:59:01 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[SatanicArchetype Makuta Teridax]] is the BigBad of the franchise as a whole, and is responsible for nearly every bad thing that happens. Starting out as a member of The Brotherhood of Makuta, Teridax coerced his teammates into betraying [[TheMaker Mata Nui]], then infected him with a virus. After Mata Nui succumbs to the virus and falls into a coma, causing innumerable amounts of destruction throughout the Cosmos, Teridax plans to erase the memories of an island of Matoran, then play himself up as their Savior. When the Toa, the heroes of the Matoran, try to free them from Teridax, he tries to kill them all before being [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]]. Eventually escaping, Teridax begins a centuries-long war against the Toa, at one point releasing the omnicidal Bohrok, who attempt to wipe out thousands of innocents. Teridax influences the Piraka into finding the Mask of Life, to which The Spirit of Mata Nui is bound, and they commit numerous atrocities while under Teridax's influence. Teridax assists the Toa in finding the Mask, knowing one of them will have to sacrifice themselves to keep The Spirit of Mata Nui alive. Teridax then reveals he [[TheChessmaster played them all]], takes control of Mata Nui's body, achieves godhood, then flings Mata Nui into space. Teridax goes on to [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness murder his former allies]], wage war against the remaining Toa, and subject any rebels who try to stop him, or minions who anger him, to horrific punishments. Traveling to the planet Mata Nui has been residing on, Teridax's last act is trying to [[EarthShatteringKaboom blow it up]] just to spite him. While Teridax's final destiny was preordained, his villainous actions only worsened his and the universe's fates. Teridax was a monstrous and {{sadist}}ic [[TheSociopath sociopath]] whose [[AGodAmI god complex]] cost millions their lives and ruined countless more throughout his 100,000-year campaign of evil.

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* CompleteMonster: [[SatanicArchetype Makuta Teridax]] is the BigBad of the franchise as a whole, and is psychopathic narcissist responsible for [[BigBad orchestrating]] nearly every bad thing that happens. Starting out as [[TheChessmaster all of the evil]] in the ''BIONICLE'' universe in [[AGodAmI his quest for godhood]]. Once a member of The the peacekeeping yet vicious Brotherhood of Makuta, Teridax coerced Teridax's [[StartOfDarkness campaign of evil]] began when, deciding he deserved to rule, he manipulated his teammates fellow Makuta into betraying [[TheMaker [[TheCreator Mata Nui]], then infected infecting him with a virus. After Mata Nui succumbs to the virus that dragged him down from the heavens and falls into a coma, causing innumerable amounts sent shockwaves of destruction and anarchy throughout the Cosmos, cosmos. Following this, Teridax plans began waging war on anyone that wouldn't cow to erase the memories of an island of Matoran, then play himself up as their Savior. When the Toa, the heroes of the Matoran, try to free them his whims, with atrocities ranging everything from Teridax, he tries unleashing the genocidal Bohrok to kill them all before being [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away]]. Eventually escaping, Teridax begins a centuries-long war against the Toa, at one point releasing the omnicidal Bohrok, who attempt to wipe out thousands of innocents. innocents, to regularly trying to slaughter hundreds of Matoran. Even when seemingly beaten numerous times, Teridax influences always reaches out with his mind and [[TheCorrupter corrupts]] other warlords like the Piraka into finding the Mask of Life, to which The Spirit of Mata Nui is bound, and they commit numerous atrocities while under Teridax's influence. Teridax assists the Toa in finding the Mask, knowing one of becoming his servants, using them will have to sacrifice themselves to keep The Spirit of Mata Nui alive. Teridax then reveals enslave and butcher entire villages alongside overrunning islands with the spider-like [[SpidersAreScary Visorak]]. Once gaining the god-like power he [[TheChessmaster played them all]], takes control of has so long craved by [[GrandTheftMe body-jacking Mata Nui's body, achieves godhood, then flings Mata Nui into space. original form, Teridax goes on to [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness murder annihilates his former allies]], wage war against the remaining Toa, allies]] while treating all life as playthings for him to torture and subject any sadistically kill as he pleases. Teridax also subjects many rebels who try to stop him, or minions who anger him, to horrific punishments. Traveling [[FateWorseThanDeath fates worse than death]], and goes on to torture and brainwash the planet former heroes of the Matoran into becoming his personal attack dogs. In the end, Teridax tracks down a revived Mata Nui has been residing on, Teridax's last act is trying on the desert world Bara Magna, and attempts to [[EarthShatteringKaboom blow it up]] obliterate the entire planet and its population just to spite him. While Teridax's final destiny was preordained, his villainous actions only worsened his and the universe's fates. "brother". Teridax was a depraved, shockingly vile villain for a franchise originally meant for children, and stands out as the only wholly irredeemable villain in the setting, with his monstrous personality and {{sadist}}ic [[TheSociopath sociopath]] whose [[AGodAmI god complex]] cost millions their lives and ruined countless more throughout his 100,000-year 100,000 year campaign of evil.darkness made all the worse by the fact that, as alternate reality versions of himself show, he was fully capable of redemption, yet rejected it at every turn.
9th Apr '17 10:22:12 AM nombretomado
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* FriendlyFandoms: With other LEGO themes like ''Franchise/RockRaiders'', ''[[Toys/{{ExoForce}} Exo-Force]]'', and the line's spiritual predecessor ''Toys/{{Slizers}}'', natch. But also with other adventure stories like ''Literature/LordoftheRings'' and ''Series/DoctorWho''.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With other LEGO themes like ''Franchise/RockRaiders'', ''Toys/RockRaiders'', ''[[Toys/{{ExoForce}} Exo-Force]]'', and the line's spiritual predecessor ''Toys/{{Slizers}}'', natch. But also with other adventure stories like ''Literature/LordoftheRings'' and ''Series/DoctorWho''.
17th Mar '17 12:05:31 PM Prometheus117
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* FoeYay: Vakama and Roodaka.

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* FoeYay: Vakama and Roodaka. While she ''was'' using him, Roodaka at the very least seems ''much'' more genuinely invested in him than Sidorak, who she stringed along for her own benefit. Roodaka's line to Vakama near the end of ''Web of Shadows'' comes off just as much as a WomanScorned as it does him going against her plans.
-->'''Roodaka''': And here I thought you could have been ''king''!
17th Mar '17 11:59:32 AM Prometheus117
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** Vakama's out-of-nowhere recklessness during Web of Shadows. Is it just an OutOfCharacterMoment brought on by ExecutiveMeddling, or did it stem from the belief that had he been a more resolute and decisive Toa, [[MyGreatestFailure Lhikan would still be alive and the Great Cataclysm wouldn't have happened]], causing him to misguidedly overcompensate?

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** Vakama's out-of-nowhere recklessness during Web of Shadows. Is it just an OutOfCharacterMoment brought on by ExecutiveMeddling, or did it stem from the belief that had he been a more resolute and decisive Toa, [[MyGreatestFailure Lhikan would still be alive and the Great Cataclysm wouldn't have happened]], causing him to misguidedly overcompensate?overcompensate? The novels lean into the latter direction, showing Vakama's gradual descent into recklessness the longer it takes the Toa to return to Metru Nui right up to the point they're captured.
7th Mar '17 1:08:06 AM GoldenKeyblade
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** Vakama's out-of-nowhere recklessness during Web of Shadows. Is it just an OutOfCharacterMoment, or did it stem from the belief that had he been a more resolute and decisive Toa, Lhikan would still be alive and the Great Cataclysm wouldn't have happened, causing him to misguidedly overcompensate?

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** Vakama's out-of-nowhere recklessness during Web of Shadows. Is it just an OutOfCharacterMoment, OutOfCharacterMoment brought on by ExecutiveMeddling, or did it stem from the belief that had he been a more resolute and decisive Toa, [[MyGreatestFailure Lhikan would still be alive and the Great Cataclysm wouldn't have happened, happened]], causing him to misguidedly overcompensate?



** Fan-favorite Toa-hero Matau. He never stops talking him (and the other Toa Metru) up, and also tends to prove that he can deliver.

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** Fan-favorite Toa-hero Matau. He never stops talking him himself (and the other Toa Metru) up, and also tends to prove that he can deliver.



** The Skrall in the battle at the end of ''The Legend Reborn,'' where they go from being literally undefeated by a Glatorian to being taken out left and right in a few hits. WordOfGod [[JustifiedTrope justifies]] this by saying, 1.) They were scared out of their minds by this giant made out of bugs that suddenly appeared, 2.) The Glatorian, not being in the arena, have an excuse to employ all of those [[TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty dirty tricks]] that they've learned over the years, and 3.) ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem / HandWave. Also, the Glatorian had the element of surprise, plus a handful of them had ElementalPowers.

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** The Skrall in the battle at the end of ''The Legend Reborn,'' where they go from being literally undefeated by a Glatorian to being taken out left and right in a few hits. WordOfGod [[JustifiedTrope justifies]] this by saying, 1.) They saying that 1) they were scared out of their minds by this giant made out of bugs that suddenly appeared, 2.) The 2) the Glatorian, not being in the arena, have an excuse to employ all of those [[TryingToCatchMeFightingDirty dirty tricks]] that they've learned over the years, and 3.) 3) ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem / HandWave. Also, the Glatorian had the element of surprise, plus a handful of them now had ElementalPowers.



** Takadox is easily the most popular of the Barraki; set-wise he's one of the only glow-in-the-dark sets, story-wise he has one of the more distinctive personalities of the Barraki.

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** Takadox is easily the most popular of the Barraki; set-wise Barraki. Set-wise, he's one of the only glow-in-the-dark sets, story-wise sets the series ever produced; story-wise, he has one of the more distinctive personalities of the Barraki.



** On the subject of Makuta, Mutran and Krika. The internet seems to love the former likely due to his very amusing and world-building serial "The Mutran Chronicles", while the latter is admired for being a TragicVillain [[spoiler:with RedemptionEqualsDeath]] and being a very large and intimidating set.

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** On the subject of Makuta, Mutran and Krika. The internet seems to love the former likely due to his very amusing and world-building serial "The Mutran Chronicles", while the latter is admired for being a TragicVillain [[spoiler:with RedemptionEqualsDeath]] and RedemptionEqualsDeath]], as well as being a very large and intimidating set.



* EvilIsCool: The Makuta, for effectively being [[EldritchAbomination EldritchAbominations]], the Piraka for being a FauxAffablyEvil group of superpowered badasses, the Barraki for being monstrous marine BadassNormal characters in comparison to the Piraka, the Rahkshi for their utter domination of the Toa Nuva in their early appearances, and Brutaka for being the most powerful and deadly villain during the Inika storyline with a cool design and deeper backstory in comparison to the Piraka.

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* EvilIsCool: The Makuta, for effectively being borderline [[EldritchAbomination EldritchAbominations]], Eldritch Abominations]]; the Piraka for being a FauxAffablyEvil group of superpowered badasses, badasses; the Barraki for being monstrous marine BadassNormal characters in comparison to the Piraka, Piraka; the Rahkshi for their utter domination of the Toa Nuva in their early appearances, appearances; and Brutaka for being the most powerful and deadly villain during the Inika storyline storyline, with a cool design and a deeper backstory in comparison to the Piraka.



** [[TheBaroness Roodaka]]. I mean, just LOOK at her! Well, the movie at least. Not just in the movie - the set had curvy hips, a shapely bottom and high heels! Yes, [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids this is a genuine LEGO set]].

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** [[TheBaroness Roodaka]]. I mean, just LOOK at her! Well, the movie at least. Not And it's not just in the movie - the set had curvy hips, a shapely bottom and high heels! Yes, [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids this is a genuine LEGO set]].set that was sold in stores]].



** Additionally, may Mata Nui help you if you confuse this franchise with {{Hero Factory}}... or worse, {{Transformers}}.

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** Additionally, may Mata Nui help you if you confuse this franchise with {{Hero Factory}}... or even worse, {{Transformers}}.



* FranchiseOriginalSin: Characters behaving contrary to their established personalities in other media? Unfitting or unprofessional voice acting? {{Special Effects Failure}}s? VillainDecay? DeusExMachina? CanonDiscontinuity? Obnoxious comic relief? Cliched plot? These are just a few of the harsh criticisms towards ''The Legend Reborn'', and yet all of these problems can be found in the original Miramax film trilogy. Fans just conveniently choose to forget that and uphold those films as perfect masterpieces compared to ''The Legend Reborn''.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Characters behaving contrary to their established personalities in other media? Unfitting or unprofessional voice acting? {{Special Effects Failure}}s? VillainDecay? DeusExMachina? CanonDiscontinuity? Obnoxious comic relief? Cliched Clichéd plot? These are just a few of the harsh criticisms towards ''The Legend Reborn'', Reborn''...and yet all of these problems can be found in the original Miramax film trilogy. Fans just conveniently choose to forget that and uphold those films as [[SacredCow perfect masterpieces masterpieces]] compared to ''The Legend Reborn''.



* FriendlyFandoms: With other LEGO themes like ''Franchise/RockRaiders'', ''[[Toys/{{ExoForce}} Exo-Force]]'', and the line's spiritual predecessor ''Toys/{{Slizers}}'', natch. But also with other adventure stories like Literature/LordoftheRings and Series/DoctorWho.
** Also, oddly enough, with [[WesternAnimation/{{MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic}} Bronies]] due to uncanny similarities with the two stories especially regarding team dynamics and sharing a villain based on shadows.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With other LEGO themes like ''Franchise/RockRaiders'', ''[[Toys/{{ExoForce}} Exo-Force]]'', and the line's spiritual predecessor ''Toys/{{Slizers}}'', natch. But also with other adventure stories like Literature/LordoftheRings ''Literature/LordoftheRings'' and Series/DoctorWho.
''Series/DoctorWho''.
** Also, oddly enough, with [[WesternAnimation/{{MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic}} Bronies]] due to uncanny similarities with the two stories especially regarding team dynamics the power of teamwork and sharing both having a villain based on shadows.with a shadow theme.



** Regarding Makuta Icarax's death. On the [[GrandFinale last episode]] of ''{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}}'', "Meanwhile", the Professor suffered a similar fate.[[note]]He was alright, and actually became a time-traveler of sorts, which brings up some FridgeHorror regard Icarax.[[/note]]

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** Regarding Makuta Icarax's death. On death, on the [[GrandFinale last episode]] of ''{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}}'', "Meanwhile", the Professor suffered a similar fate.[[note]]He was alright, and actually became a time-traveler of sorts, which brings up some FridgeHorror regard Icarax.[[/note]]



** It's amazing how similar [[UrbanLegendOfZelda the fan-created Voriki]] was to future events.

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** It's amazing how similar [[UrbanLegendOfZelda the fan-created fan-created]] [[SailorEarth Voriki]] was to future events.



* IAmNotShazam: Again, '''''The characters are not "Bionicles".''''' While it is generally acceptable to use "Bionicle" as a catch-all term for any character (especially when talking about the sets), the term "Bionicle" is actually a combination of the words "Biological" and "Chronicle".

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* IAmNotShazam: Again, '''''The characters are not "Bionicles".''''' While it is generally acceptable to use "Bionicle" as a catch-all term for any character (especially when talking about the sets), the term "Bionicle" is actually a combination of the words "Biological" and "Chronicle". [[WordSaladTitle Though to be fair, it took a]] ''[[WordSaladTitle long]]'' [[WordSaladTitle time for the actual meaning of that title to make sense.]]



** The Bohrok-Kal, at least set-wise (their role in the story was more well-received), due to being six {{Palette Swap}}s of the Bohrok sets, thus giving us six more sets that were identical in everything but color and shield design to six sets that were already identical in everything but color and shield design.
** The Mata Nui {{Story Arc}}s tended to fall into this trap with the Rahi, Bohrok, and Bohrok-Kal. [[RecycledScript The island of Mata Nui is in danger, and the Toa need to collect masks of value so they can go underground and defeat the villains (through working together!).]]

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** The Bohrok-Kal, at least set-wise (their role in the story was more well-received), better-received), due to being six {{Palette Swap}}s of the Bohrok sets, which were in turn Palette Swaps of each other, thus giving us six more sets that were identical in everything but color and shield design to six sets that were already ''already'' identical in everything but color and shield design.
** The Mata Nui {{Story Arc}}s tended to fall into this trap with the Rahi, Bohrok, and Bohrok-Kal. [[RecycledScript The island of Mata Nui is in danger, and the Toa need to collect masks of value power so they can go underground and defeat the villains (through working together!).]]



** A complicated example that began in 2007. On one hand, the PalatteSwap trend of the past six years was ended. On the other hand, the Piraka and Inika builds from the previous years became the standard pieces for the rest of the run, and then 2008 introduced the Av-Matoran build that was used for the Agori and the Stars. This led, of course, to the fandom declaring that LEGO's set designers were being lazy and just reusing the same designs over and over.
** The Vahki suffered this for much of the same reasons as the Bohrok Kal due to sharing a similar build structure to the then-well received Rahkshi, which ended up causing some people to call them a rehash. Unlike the Bohrok Kal, the Vahki only had a minimal impact on the story and due to their robotic nature didn't have much personality either.

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** A complicated set-based example that began in 2007. On one hand, the PalatteSwap PaletteSwap trend of the past six years was ended. On the other hand, the Piraka and Inika builds from the previous years became the standard pieces for the rest of the run, and then 2008 introduced the Av-Matoran build that was used for the Agori and the Stars. This led, of course, to the fandom declaring that LEGO's set designers were being lazy and just reusing the same designs over and over.
** The Vahki suffered this for much of the same reasons as the Bohrok Kal Bohrok-Kal due to sharing a similar build structure to the then-well received Rahkshi, which ended up causing some people to call them a rehash. Unlike the Bohrok Kal, Bohrok-Kal, the Vahki only had a minimal impact on the story and due to their robotic nature didn't have much personality either.



-->'''Teridax:''' We both know there are a thousand ways I could destroy you right now. And 941 of them hurt."
** The Shadowed One, but not to the extent of Makuta.

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-->'''Teridax:''' [[CrazyPrepared We both know there are a thousand ways I could destroy you right now. now.]] [[NotHyperbole And 941 of them hurt."
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** The Shadowed One, but though not to the extent of Makuta.



*** He's arguably this in-universe, as is the now-deceased Certavus.

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*** He's arguably also this in-universe, as is the now-deceased Certavus.



** The Makuta. A race of evil, incredibly powerful beings who ''breathe'' DarkIsEvil. Originally a race of [[SociopathicHero Sociopathic Heroes]] who pulled a mass DudeWheresMyRespect and turned against the Great Spirit. At best, they are quirky yet malicious entities like Mutran, at worst, revolting and frightening creatures like Vamprah. Their [[TheAssimilator conventional method of feeding]] helps not a bit.
** Teridax takes this UpToEleven when he [[spoiler: takes over the Great Spirit Robot, ''becoming the Matoran Universe'']]. Just imagine living in an entire universe that is pure evil and can do ''[[FridgeHorror anything it wanted]]'' to you.

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** The Makuta. A race of evil, incredibly powerful beings who ''breathe'' DarkIsEvil. Originally a race of [[SociopathicHero Sociopathic Heroes]] who pulled a mass DudeWheresMyRespect and turned against the Great Spirit. At best, they are quirky yet malicious entities like Mutran, Mutran; at worst, they're revolting and frightening creatures like Vamprah. Their [[TheAssimilator conventional method of feeding]] helps not a bit.
** Teridax takes this UpToEleven when he [[spoiler: [[GrandTheftMe takes over the Great Spirit Robot, ''becoming Robot]], ''[[OhCrap becoming the Matoran Universe'']].Universe]]'']]. Just imagine living in an entire universe that is pure evil and can do ''[[FridgeHorror anything it wanted]]'' to you.



** Subverted in that the ''Heroes''' case was deliberate, as the developers believed that by going past the limits of canon, they could make a more fun game. ''Heroes'' was still fairly enjoyable (especially the DS version, which is basically similar to ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime Hunters'') despite not sticking to canon, and also subverted with the GBA RPG ''Maze of Shadows'', a direct video game adaptation of one of the chapter books.
** ''BIONICLE: The Game'', on the other hand, was of... well, ''debatable'' quality in terms of gameplay, and it arguably handled the lore worse than ''Heroes'' did; the latter game simply decided to ignore the lore in favor of gameplay (not to mention the galleries in the console versions- and possibly others, I'm not sure- detailing characters and items from the story to show that, apart from a few errors, yes, they did their research), while in the former, the game seemed to actually be ''trying'', but ended up cannibalizing it. It's like a CutAndPasteTranslation, except they didn't even need to translate. Also, sweet mother of Karzahni in a gravy boat was the voice acting atrocious. Seriously, the only redeeming factor about it was the [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome soundtrack]], which was filled to the brim with masterpieces, and for that you can just look on Website/YouTube.

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** Subverted in that the ''Heroes''' case was deliberate, as the developers believed that by going past the limits of canon, they could make a more fun game. ''Heroes'' was still fairly enjoyable (especially the DS version, which is basically similar to ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime Hunters'') Hunters'' in terms of gameplay) despite not sticking to canon, and also subverted with the GBA RPG ''Maze of Shadows'', a direct video game adaptation of one of the chapter books.
** ''BIONICLE: The Game'', on the other hand, was of... well, ''debatable'' ''[[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement debatable]]'' quality in terms of gameplay, and it arguably handled the lore worse than ''Heroes'' did; the latter game simply decided to ignore the lore in favor of gameplay (not to mention the galleries in the console versions- and possibly others, I'm not sure- detailing characters and items from the story to show that, apart from a few errors, yes, they did their research), while in the former, the game seemed to actually be ''trying'', but ended up cannibalizing it. It's like a CutAndPasteTranslation, except they didn't even need to translate. Also, sweet mother of Karzahni in a gravy boat was the voice acting atrocious.''atrocious''. Seriously, the only redeeming factor about it was the [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome soundtrack]], which was filled to the brim with masterpieces, and for that you can just look on Website/YouTube.



** The Toa Inika designs are widely disliked by the fans, mostly because of the hideous masks and the flat, unoriginal designs. The ''characters''; however, are very much liked, since they were all popular Matoran characters beforehand.

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** The Toa Inika designs are widely disliked by the fans, mostly because of the hideous masks and the flat, unoriginal designs. The ''characters''; ''characters'', however, are very much liked, since they were all popular Matoran characters beforehand.



** Vezon in-universe. The common reaction to him saying something, or seeing him, is to either attack him, tell him to shut up, or try to kill him. He even Lampshades this. Out of universe he's a BaseBreakingCharacter.

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** Vezon in-universe. The common reaction to him saying something, or seeing him, is to either attack him, tell him to shut up, or try to kill him. He even Lampshades this. Out of universe universe, he's a BaseBreakingCharacter.



*** Shooter weapons in general starting with the Cordak Blasters. Prior to the squid shooters, the weapons were at least comprised of pieces you'd assemble and had a fairly ingenious way of firing (even the Squid Shooters qualified). Fast forward to the Toa Mahri and the shooters became large and clunky, as well as housing special mechanisms within themselves rather than let you build them. Lego later caught onto this and the Nynrah Ghost Blasters returned to being buildable shooter weapons, while the Thornax shooters were even more simplified.

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*** Shooter weapons in general starting with the Cordak Blasters. Prior to the squid shooters, the weapons were at least comprised of pieces you'd assemble and had a fairly ingenious way of firing (even the Squid Shooters qualified). Fast forward to the Toa Mahri and the shooters became large and clunky, as well as housing special mechanisms within themselves rather than let you build them. Lego later caught onto this and the Nynrah Ghost Blasters returned return to being buildable shooter weapons, while the Thornax shooters were even more simplified.



** In the first movie [[spoiler: Jaller's DisneyDeath which leads to Takua becoming Takanuva]].

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** In the first movie [[spoiler: Jaller's DisneyDeath DisneyDeath, which leads to Takua becoming Takanuva]].



* TheUntwist: Makuta was the mastermind behind so many evil plots, that fans quickly grew tired of how often he was revealed to be the BigBad, especially in 2004, which featured a different setting, different heroes and two new big bads -- turns out one was just a FillerVillain to the BigBad, who was in fact Makuta in disguise. It didn't help that the movie of that year, ''Legends of Metru Nui'', spoiled that at the very beginning and contained like three subsequent "Makuta is the villain" reveals in later scenes, some of which even contradicted each other.

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* TheUntwist: Makuta was the mastermind behind so many evil plots, that fans quickly grew tired of how often he was revealed to be the BigBad, especially in 2004, which featured a different setting, different heroes and two new big bads -- turns out one was just a FillerVillain to the BigBad, who was in fact Makuta in disguise. It didn't help that the movie of that year, ''Legends of Metru Nui'', spoiled that at the very beginning and contained like three subsequent "Makuta is the villain" reveals in later scenes, some of which even contradicted each other.other (at one point Dume is seen relaying information to Makuta ''[[MindScrew despite being Makuta himself in disguise at that point]]'').



** Surprisingly ''[[AvertedTrope little]]'' of this when the 2015 sets were leaked, and later revealed officially, especially considering they used [[Toys/HeroFactory Hero]] [[ReplacementScrappy Factory's]] CCBS building system[[note]]Creature & Character Building Set[[/note]] as opposed to the original ''BIONICLE'''s Technic system. Most seemed pretty fine with the designs. That doesn't mean there were ''no'' complaints, though, of course.

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** Surprisingly ''[[AvertedTrope little]]'' of this when the 2015 sets were leaked, and later revealed officially, especially considering they used [[Toys/HeroFactory Hero]] [[ReplacementScrappy Factory's]] CCBS building system[[note]]Creature & Character Building Set[[/note]] as opposed to the original ''BIONICLE'''s Technic system. Most seemed pretty fine with the designs. That Though of course that doesn't mean there were ''no'' complaints, though, of course.complaints.



** Besides [[EvilIsSexy Roodaka]], nobody has any TertiarySexualCharacteristics, so I dare you to ID one of the girls without resorting to the color-coding -- and even that's hardly foolproof (Vezok, Takadox, Gorast, Vamprah, etc.).

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** Besides [[EvilIsSexy Roodaka]], nobody has any TertiarySexualCharacteristics, so I dare you to ID one of the girls without resorting to the color-coding -- and from 2004 onwards, even that's hardly foolproof (Vezok, Takadox, Gorast, Vamprah, etc.).



** The animations by Advance Copenhagen, often considered the highest-quality animations made for BIONICLE, even surpassing the direct-to-video films. Special mention goes to the Mata Nui Rising video.
** While the animation quality itself might not be so great, there's no denying the incredible level of detail put into the character models for ''The Legend Reborn''. With the exception of Mata Nui for obvious reasons, the armor of every Glatorian, Agori, and Skrall is worn down by constant exposure to the elements and covered with cracks reminiscent of Carlos D'Anda's artstyle.

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** The animations by Advance Copenhagen, often considered the highest-quality animations made for BIONICLE, even surpassing the direct-to-video films. Special mention goes to the Mata Nui Rising video.
video; it really conveys the sheer scale of such a pivotal moment in the series' lore.
** While the animation quality itself might not be so great, there's no denying the incredible level of detail put into the character models for ''The Legend Reborn''. With the exception of Mata Nui [[JustifiedTrope for obvious reasons, reasons]], the armor of every Glatorian, Agori, and Skrall is worn down by constant exposure to the elements and covered with cracks reminiscent of Carlos D'Anda's artstyle.



** Krika, of all characters. Yes, a Makuta has been turned into a Woobie. He doesn't agree with the Plan and rebels whenever he can, but only goes along with it because he feels that it's all he can do. After going to Karda Nui, the Pit Mutagen in the swamp locks him into a monstrous form and robs him of so many powers that he needs to absorb heat and energy just to prevent himself from fading away. He specifically notes to Tahu that Makuta hate Toa because they're everything that the Makuta wish that they could be, and when he realizes that Teridax plans to kill them all, he tries to warn his fellow Makuta and gets killed in a truly [[DeaderThanDead horrific way]].
** And the two first Toa of Air introduced, Lewa and Matau. The former constantly has his village destroyed and gets mind-controlled twice, in addition to the nasty situation of having Tren Krom pull a GrandTheftMe on him, while the latter gets brought down HARD in the second year of Adventures when the first part of Metru Nui they revisit is the now-wrecked Le-Metru, and then he gets mutated into an ugly beast, a curse that he in particular is quite disturbed by considering how obsessed he is with his looks. Then after all the (admittedly not unearned) vitrol Matau throws Vakama's way, Vakama snaps and pulls a FaceHeelTurn, prompting Matau to feel quite guilty about being so hard on him. And as a Turaga, he gets mind-controlled and forced to help mind-control Lewa and suffers the same destruction of his new home.
** And Lesovikk, ''another'' Toa of Air. He lost his entire team to Zyglak ''just because he hesitated'', his Turaga went mad and shipped his Matoran friends off to Karzahni, and he spent thousands and thousands of years trying to get them back, but failing every time.

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** Krika, of all characters. Yes, a Makuta has been turned into is now a Woobie. He doesn't agree with the Plan and rebels whenever he can, but only goes along with it because he feels that it's all he can do. After going to Karda Nui, the Pit Mutagen in the swamp locks him into a monstrous form and robs him of so many powers that he needs to absorb heat and energy just to prevent himself from fading away. He specifically notes to Tahu that Makuta hate Toa because they're everything that the Makuta wish that they could be, and when he realizes that Teridax plans to kill them all, he tries to warn his fellow Makuta and gets killed in a truly [[DeaderThanDead horrific way]].
** And the two The first two Toa of Air introduced, Lewa and Matau. The former constantly has his village destroyed and gets mind-controlled twice, in addition to the nasty situation of having Tren Krom pull a GrandTheftMe on him, while the latter gets brought down HARD in the second year of Adventures when the first part of Metru Nui they revisit is the now-wrecked Le-Metru, and then he gets mutated into an ugly beast, a curse that he in particular is quite disturbed by considering how obsessed he is with his looks. Then after all the (admittedly not unearned) vitrol Matau throws Vakama's way, Vakama snaps and pulls a FaceHeelTurn, prompting Matau to feel quite guilty about being so hard on him. And as a Turaga, he gets mind-controlled and forced to help mind-control Lewa and suffers the same destruction of his new home.
** And Lesovikk, ''another'' Toa of Air. He lost his entire team to Zyglak ''just because he hesitated'', his Turaga went mad and shipped his Matoran friends off to Karzahni, and he spent thousands and thousands of years trying to get them back, but failing every time.



** Savage, a minor Dark Hunter who is a Toa Hordika that was never cured and attacked by his team when they didn't recognize him.

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** Savage, a minor Dark Hunter who is a Toa Hordika that was never cured and was attacked by his team when they didn't recognize him.



* WTHCastingAgency: In ''The Legend Reborn'', Metus is David Leisure -- from the sitcom ''Series/EmptyNest'' and the fictional (and dishonest spokesman, "Joe Isuzu", from Isuzu car ads in the early 90s. On one hand, this does suit his introduced role as a Glatorian recruiter very well. [[spoiler:On the other hand, less his role as the BigBad, though his warning Mata Nui that he's not kidding around is [[HeReallyCanAct done ''very'' well]].]]

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* WTHCastingAgency: In ''The Legend Reborn'', Metus is David Leisure -- from the sitcom ''Series/EmptyNest'' and the fictional (and dishonest dishonest) spokesman, "Joe Isuzu", from Isuzu car ads in the early 90s. On one hand, this does suit his introduced role as a Glatorian recruiter very well. [[spoiler:On the other hand, less [[spoiler:Less so his role as the BigBad, though his warning Mata Nui that he's not kidding around is [[HeReallyCanAct done ''very'' well]].]]
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* EvilIsCool: The Makuta, for effectively being [[EldritchAbomination EldritchAbominations]] the Piraka for being a FauxAffablyEvil group of superpowered badasses, the Barraki for being monstrous marine BadassNormal characters in comparison to the Piraka, and the Rahkshi for their utter domination of the Toa Nuva in their early appearances.

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* EvilIsCool: The Makuta, for effectively being [[EldritchAbomination EldritchAbominations]] EldritchAbominations]], the Piraka for being a FauxAffablyEvil group of superpowered badasses, the Barraki for being monstrous marine BadassNormal characters in comparison to the Piraka, and the Rahkshi for their utter domination of the Toa Nuva in their early appearances.appearances, and Brutaka for being the most powerful and deadly villain during the Inika storyline with a cool design and deeper backstory in comparison to the Piraka.



** The Toa Inika designs are widely disliked by the fans, mostly because of the hideous masks and the flat, unoriginal designs. The ''characters''; however, are very much liked.

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** The Toa Inika designs are widely disliked by the fans, mostly because of the hideous masks and the flat, unoriginal designs. The ''characters''; however, are very much liked.liked, since they were all popular Matoran characters beforehand.
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