History YMMV / AvatarTheLastAirbender

8th Dec '16 2:17:06 PM Julia1984
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* OlderThanTheyThink: The first series premiered in 2005. As early as [[http://tdn.com/news/unforeseen-events-may-sway-voters-more-than-campaigns/article_11517f93-09f2-5c0f-90ef-d488632d9de5.html 2004]], [[http://www.cnbc.com/id/36782243 various]] [[http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4bd0a24601011y99.html journalists]] [[http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/trumps-path-through-the-rust-belt/475767/ have]] [[http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2009/06/06/no_help_in_sight_for_the_auto_belt_215416.html referred]] to the "Rust Belt" area of the United States as the "metal-bending states."
3rd Dec '16 8:25:12 PM Eagal
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* EarWorm: SECRET TUNNEL! SECRET TUNNEL...
** [[spoiler: ...and DIE...]]

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* %%* EarWorm: SECRET TUNNEL! SECRET TUNNEL...
** [[spoiler: ...and DIE...]]
TUNNEL...



** Jin and Ty Lee have this in common for two very big reasons.



** Mai has won over quite a few fans, though not as many as Ty Lee.
*** It seems that the creators have picked up on this, and made her a recurring character in the comic's main storyline, with her prominently being displayed on the preview covers for ''ComicBook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderSmokeAndShadow'', as well as [[ADayInTheLimelight being the focal character]] of ''ComicBook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderRebound''. Not to mention that there's a lot of speculation over whether or not she's Fire Lord Izumi's mother in ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' as well, which will keep fan interest in her going for a while.

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** Mai has won over quite a few fans, though not as many as Ty Lee.
***
Lee. It seems that the creators have picked up on this, and made her a recurring character in the comic's main storyline, with her prominently being displayed on the preview covers for ''ComicBook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderSmokeAndShadow'', as well as [[ADayInTheLimelight being the focal character]] of ''ComicBook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderRebound''. Not to mention that there's a lot of speculation over whether or not she's Fire Lord Izumi's mother in ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' as well, which will keep fan interest in her going for a while.



** Foamy Mouth Guy.
** '''[[LargeHam THE]] [[NoIndoorVoice BOULDER]]'''.
** The Cabbage Merchant, too.
*** [[MemeticMutation "MY CABBAGES!"]]
** Despite just being the StarterVillain, Zhao is still fondly remembered.
** No love for King Bumi? He's a mad genius.

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** Foamy Mouth Guy.
** '''[[LargeHam THE]] [[NoIndoorVoice BOULDER]]'''.
** The Cabbage Merchant, too.
*** [[MemeticMutation "MY CABBAGES!"]]
**
%%** Despite just being the StarterVillain, Zhao is still fondly remembered.
** No love for King Bumi? He's a mad genius.
remembered.



* EpilepticTrees:
** Seriously, what happened to Ursa?
*** This is gone into in the comic "The Search." It's a bit of base breaking, so watch your step.
** Combustion Man is a badass assassin with a mysterious past, a completely unique form of Firebending, and leaves more questions then answers. You do the math.
*** According to creator commentary, he has an extremely overdeveloped third eye, which makes sense as his tattoo looks like the symbol for an Ajna chakra.
** What are the stories behind all of Koh's faces?
*** Answered in "The Search." [[spoiler: He's the son of a spirit called "The Mother Of All Faces," who grants people's faces/souls, it's not super clear. He despises her and loves her at the same time, so he steals the things she grants.]]

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* EpilepticTrees:
** Seriously, what happened to Ursa?
*** This is gone into in the comic "The Search." It's a bit of base breaking, so watch your step.
** Combustion Man is a badass assassin with a mysterious past, a completely unique form of Firebending,
%%** Jin and leaves more questions then answers. You do the math.
*** According to creator commentary, he has an extremely overdeveloped third eye, which makes sense as his tattoo looks like the symbol
Ty Lee have this in common for an Ajna chakra.
** What are the stories behind all of Koh's faces?
*** Answered in "The Search." [[spoiler: He's the son of a spirit called "The Mother Of All Faces," who grants people's faces/souls, it's not super clear. He despises her and loves her at the same time, so he steals the things she grants.]]
two very big reasons.
%%** King Bumi
%%** Foamy Mouth Guy.
%%** '''[[LargeHam THE]] [[NoIndoorVoice BOULDER]]'''.
%%** The Cabbage Merchant, too.



** [[BlueBoyPinkGirl Tykka's]] actually had this in canon to point of almost reaching DatingCatwoman levels.
** [[CrackShip Azulaang]].



%%** [[BlueBoyPinkGirl Tykka's]] actually had this in canon to point of almost reaching DatingCatwoman levels.
%%** [[CrackShip Azulaang]].



* HesJustHiding: [[spoiler:Jet]], [[spoiler:Zhao]], and [[spoiler: Combustion Man]] get a lot of this. [[spoiler: The sequel series reveals it's actually true with Zhao. ..... [[FateWorseThanDeath In the worst possible manner.]]]]

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* HesJustHiding: [[spoiler:Jet]], [[spoiler:Zhao]], and [[spoiler: Combustion Man]] get a lot of this. [[spoiler: The sequel series reveals it's actually true with Zhao. .....Zhao... [[FateWorseThanDeath In the worst possible manner.]]]]



** "Who's the greatest Earthbender in the world: Toph or Bumi?"
** WordOfGod says they are tied.
** [[LetsYouAndHimFight Showed prominently in one of the tie-in comics]], where the two decide to prove who was the best and tie.
** Though ''Korra'' may have answered it: [[spoiler:An elderly Toph blows her back out doing just one move, forcing her to sit out the rest of the season. Contrast to Bumi still kicking ass at over 100 years old.]]
** Anything related to shipping can generate this.

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** "Who's the greatest Earthbender in the world: Toph or Bumi?"
** WordOfGod says they are tied.
** [[LetsYouAndHimFight Showed prominently in one of the tie-in comics]], where the two decide to prove who was the best and tie.
** Though ''Korra'' may have answered it: [[spoiler:An elderly Toph blows her back out doing just one move, forcing her to sit out the rest of the season. Contrast to Bumi still kicking ass at over 100 years old.]]
**
Bumi?"** Anything related to shipping can generate this.



* LauncherOfAThousandShips:
** Everyone is paired with Katara. [[MemeticMutation No Exceptions]].
** Also, Sokka. This is the price he pays for having the most onscreen romantic interest.
** Zuko. And Azula.
** It would just be easier to list who ''hasn't'' been paired off with Jin and Ty Lee considering the ships they've launched.

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* %%* LauncherOfAThousandShips:
** %%** Everyone is paired with Katara. [[MemeticMutation No Exceptions]].
** %%** Also, Sokka. This is the price he pays for having the most onscreen romantic interest.
** %%** Zuko. And Azula.
** It would just be easier to list who ''hasn't'' been paired off with Jin and Ty Lee considering the ships they've launched.



* LoveToHate[=/=]EvilIsCool: Azula, for those that prefer her to not be a [[DracoInLeatherPants DILP]]. Long Feng too. Zhao is much less EvilIsCool but ''definitely'' LoveToHate.

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* LoveToHate[=/=]EvilIsCool: LoveToHate: Azula, for those that prefer her to not be a [[DracoInLeatherPants DILP]]. Long Feng too. Zhao is much less EvilIsCool but ''definitely'' LoveToHate.



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: This series is anything but subtle with its messages, and it's that much better for it. See the [[AnvilsThatNeededToBeDropped example page]] for more details.
28th Nov '16 4:25:36 PM emmerys
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* ShipToShipCombat: Rivals ''Literature/HarryPotter'' for some of the fiercest battles (Zutara vs Kataang) of all time.

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* ShipToShipCombat: ShipToShipCombat:
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Rivals ''Literature/HarryPotter'' for some of the fiercest battles (Zutara vs Kataang) of all time.time.
** There is a lot of animosity between Suki/Sokka shippers and Toph/Sokka shippers.
28th Nov '16 4:20:29 PM emmerys
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Zuko and Mai becoming a couple in the very first scene involving both characters at the beginning of Book 3. Mai was not originally intended to end up with Zuko so the only build up to the relationship in the second book are a throwaway line from her friend Ty Lee [[note]]"It'll be interesting seeing Zuko again, won't it, Mai?"[[/note]] and a scene in a flashback sequence set several years before where Mai appears to have a crush on him but there's no implication they've seen each other since, much less that Zuko has ever been interested. A comic with an original story had to fill in the gaps and explain how they got together.
28th Nov '16 12:00:55 PM SaraJaye
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** Zuko/Katara is a legendary example (it's even the trope's image). In fact, it is very common among casual viewers or people who have never watched the series to think Zuko and Katara ended up together due to the sheer ubiquitousness of the pairing. The two are the DesignatedParents for the Gaang, have copious amounts of ShipTease and spend the finale together as FireForgedFriends. To many fans the [[OfficialCouple canonical Katara/Aang]] had a RelationshipWritingFumble where the two appeared to be LikeBrotherAndSister, and the [[ShipMates Mai/Zuko relationship]] is a MasochismTango that was StrangledByTheRedString.
*** According to head writer, Aaron Ehasz [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Zuko/Katara actually had a large chance of becoming canonical]] but the [[ExecutiveMeddling executives thought it would upset their target demographic of young children who wanted Aang to "win"]] and the [[CreativeDifferences creators Mike and Bryan were dead-set against it]]. Many staff members such as Dante Basco, Mae Whitman, Jae-Myung Yoo and Giancarlo Volpe continue to support the Zutara ship along with Ehasz himself. Some were actually surprised the two did not end up together.
*** About 22% of the [=AtLA=] fanfics at FanfictionDotNet ''alone'' list the two as main characters. It also boasts the largest number of fics for an [=AtLA=] ship on ArchiveOfOurOwn. A poll where over 150,000+ people were surveyed showed that Zuko/Katara continues to be more popular than Aang/Katara even after 10 years since the premiere. Celebrities like Creator/BDWong have admitted to preferring the Zuko/Katara pairing and the ship has now become an in-joke within the comics and writing community that "everyone ships it" due to how common it is for authors, like Creator/SaraRaasch for example, to cite it as a source of inspiration.

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** Zuko/Katara is a legendary example (it's even the trope's image). In fact, it is very common among casual viewers or people who have never watched the series to think Zuko and Katara ended up together due to the sheer ubiquitousness of the pairing. The two are the DesignatedParents for the Gaang, have copious amounts of ShipTease and spend the finale together as FireForgedFriends. To many fans the [[OfficialCouple canonical Katara/Aang]] had a RelationshipWritingFumble where the two appeared to be LikeBrotherAndSister, and the [[ShipMates Mai/Zuko relationship]] is a MasochismTango that was StrangledByTheRedString.\n*** According to head writer, Aaron Ehasz [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Zuko/Katara actually had a large chance of becoming canonical]] but the [[ExecutiveMeddling executives thought it would upset their target demographic of young children who wanted Aang to "win"]] and the [[CreativeDifferences creators Mike and Bryan were dead-set against it]]. Many staff members such as Dante Basco, Mae Whitman, Jae-Myung Yoo and Giancarlo Volpe continue to support the Zutara ship along with Ehasz himself. Some were actually surprised the two did not end up together.\n*** About 22% of the [=AtLA=] fanfics at FanfictionDotNet ''alone'' list the two as main characters. It also boasts the largest number of fics for an [=AtLA=] ship on ArchiveOfOurOwn. A poll where over 150,000+ people were surveyed showed that Zuko/Katara continues to be more popular than Aang/Katara even after 10 years since the premiere. Celebrities like Creator/BDWong have admitted to preferring the Zuko/Katara pairing and the ship has now become an in-joke within the comics and writing community that "everyone ships it" due to how common it is for authors, like Creator/SaraRaasch for example, to cite it as a source of inspiration.



* IronWoobie: Zuko has been: ignored by his father in favor of his more talented sister, had his mother leave him to protect him, gotten his face permanently scarred by his father for speaking out of turn and protesting a WeHaveReserves plan, was banished from his home. After he found Aang, he chased him across the world trying to capture him so he could go home, became a fugitive for ''failing'' to capture Aang, and had to steal to survive. [[spoiler: After he finally got to go home, he realized his nation was hurting the rest of the world for their own profit, and left again, this time of his own will, in order to stop his OmnicidalManiac father from carrying out his plans, and was treated poorly by the Gaang even after he was (grudgingly) allowed to join them. Summed up this way during Zuko's RageAgainstTheHeavens:]]

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* IronWoobie: Zuko has been: ignored by his father in favor of his more talented sister, had his mother leave him to protect him, gotten his face permanently scarred by his father for speaking out of turn and protesting a WeHaveReserves plan, was banished from his home. After he found Aang, he chased him across the world trying to capture him so he could go home, became a fugitive for ''failing'' to capture Aang, and had to steal to survive. [[spoiler: After he finally got to go home, he realized his nation was hurting the rest of the world for their own profit, and left again, this time of his own will, in order to stop his OmnicidalManiac father from carrying out his plans, and was treated poorly by the Gaang even after he was (grudgingly) allowed to join them. Zuko. Summed up this way during Zuko's his RageAgainstTheHeavens:]]



* StrangledByTheRedString: Zuko and Mai becoming a couple in the very first scene involving both characters at the beginning of Book 3. Mai was not originally intended to end up with Zuko so the only build up to the relationship in the second book are a throwaway line from her friend Ty Lee [[note]]"It'll be interesting seeing Zuko again, won't it, Mai?"[[/note]] and a scene in a flashback sequence set several years before where Mai appears to have a crush on him but there's no implication they've seen each other since, much less that Zuko has ever been interested. A comic with an original story had to fill in the gaps and explain how they got together.
28th Nov '16 11:48:21 AM SaraJaye
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** Whether any of the canonical pairings were developed well enough, it has gotten to the point where "Bryke can't write romance" can often be heard uttered throughout the fandom. While most people are tolerant of Sokka/Suki, they continue to be very divided on the way ships such as Aang/Katara, Zuko/Mai, Mako/Korra, Bolin/Eska, Zhu Li/Varrick, Korra/Asami were written. It was worse with this fandom than most others because the creators themselves frequently got involved. Bryke made a [[ArtistDisillusionment video insulting their Zutara fans]] only to admit a couple of years later that in retrospect [[CreatorBacklash Kataang was a]] [[http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace forced ship]]. Bryke mentioned that Korra and Mako were made for each other but then they said [[LyingCreator they were never supposed to last]]. The reveal that the head writer, Aaron Ehasz wanted Zuko/Katara to happen ([[ExecutiveMeddling but was]] [[CreativeDifferences not allowed to]]) and the release of the LoveItOrHateIt comics have only worsened this.

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** Whether any of the canonical pairings were developed well enough, it has gotten to the point where "Bryke can't write romance" can often be heard uttered throughout the fandom. While most people are tolerant of Sokka/Suki, they continue to be very divided on the way ships such as Aang/Katara, Zuko/Mai, Mako/Korra, Bolin/Eska, Zhu Li/Varrick, Korra/Asami were written. It was worse with this fandom than most others because the creators themselves frequently got involved. Bryke made a [[ArtistDisillusionment video insulting their Zutara fans]] only to admit a couple of years later that in retrospect [[CreatorBacklash that Kataang was a]] [[http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace forced ship]].felt a bit forced]]. Bryke mentioned that Korra and Mako were made for each other but then they said [[LyingCreator they were never supposed to last]]. The reveal that the head writer, Aaron Ehasz wanted Zuko/Katara to happen ([[ExecutiveMeddling but was]] [[CreativeDifferences not allowed to]]) and the release of the LoveItOrHateIt comics have only worsened this.
27th Nov '16 7:42:14 PM chizo
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** {{Shipping}}, anyone? Let's see, we have [[OfficialCouple Kataang]] versus [[FanPreferredCouple Zutara]] versus [[PairTheSpares Taang]] versus [[NewOldFlame Maiko]] versus [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys Jetara]]. Then we have [[BetaCouple Sukka/George]] versus [[FirstKiss Yuokka]] versus [[BlueBoyPinkGirl Tykka]] versus [[PuppyLove The Doph]] versus [[PairTheSpares Taang]] versus Toko versus Tokka. And that's not even ''mentioning'' anyone outside of the FiveManBand or any of the [[CrackShip crack]]/ [[HoYay yaoi]]/ [[LesYay yuri]] pairings.

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** {{Shipping}}, anyone? Let's see, we have [[OfficialCouple Kataang]] versus [[FanPreferredCouple Zutara]] versus [[PairTheSpares Taang]] versus [[NewOldFlame Maiko]] versus [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys Jetara]]. Then we have [[BetaCouple Sukka/George]] versus [[FirstKiss Yuokka]] versus [[BlueBoyPinkGirl Tykka]] versus [[PuppyLove The Doph]] versus [[PairTheSpares Taang]] versus Toko versus Tokka. And that's not even ''mentioning'' anyone outside of the FiveManBand or any of the [[CrackShip crack]]/ [[HoYay yaoi]]/ [[LesYay crack]]/[[HoYay yaoi]]/[[LesYay yuri]] pairings.



** Waterbenders in general. Other than Katara we only really get one episode per season featuring other waterbenders, even in book one (water). Somewhat justified in that they only live at the poles, but still, compared to the amount of earthbenders and firebenders we see, it would've been nice to see some more waterbenders.

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** Waterbenders in general. Other than Katara we only really get one episode per season featuring other waterbenders, even in book one (water). Somewhat justified in that they only live at the poles, but still, compared to the amount of earthbenders and firebenders we see, it would've been nice to see some more waterbenders. The comic ''North and South'' was created in an attempt to rectify this.
27th Nov '16 7:38:10 PM emmerys
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** Over how much Bryke actually contributed to the development of the series and if Aaron Ehasz should be considered the [[MyRealDaddy real genius behind the franchise]]. There is also [[IncrediblyLamePun the great divide]] between the the fans who [[CreatorWorship love Bryke]] and the fans who [[{{Hatedom}} hate Bryke]]. A few fans have started to dislike them when they started to [[ArtistDisillusionment insult their own fans]] (such as making an entire video out of fanart to mock Zutara shippers) but it wasn't until the polarizing sequel series WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra that really made their hatedom ''grow''. Are Bryke are still just as good as ever for all the great work they've done, did they lose their writing skills, or were they never good writers in the first place because they relied on the other staff members to do the heavy lifting?
** While most people are tolerant of the Sokka/Suki romance, they continue to be very divided on the way ships such as Zuko/Mai, Mako/Korra, Bolin/Eska, Korra/Asami were written. It was worse with this fandom than most others because the creators themselves frequently got involved. Bryke made a [[ArtistDisillusionment video insulting their Zutara fans]]. Bryke mentioned that Korra and Mako were made for each other but then they said [[LyingCreator they were never supposed to last]]. The reveal that the head writer, Aaron Ehasz wanted Zuko/Katara to happen ([[ExecutiveMeddling but was]] [[CreativeDifferences not allowed to]]) and the release of the LoveItOrHateIt comics have only worsened this.

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** Over how much Bryke actually contributed to the development of the series and if Aaron Ehasz should be considered the [[MyRealDaddy real genius behind the franchise]]. There is also [[IncrediblyLamePun the great divide]] between the the fans who [[CreatorWorship love Bryke]] and the fans who [[{{Hatedom}} hate Bryke]]. A few fans have started to dislike them Mike and Bryan became quite unpopular when they started to [[ArtistDisillusionment insult their own fans]] (such as making an entire video out of fanart drawn by children to mock Zutara shippers) but it wasn't until the polarizing [[LoveItOrHateIt polarizing]] sequel series WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra and their refusal to listen to criticism (and continuous insulting of their fanbase - this time with Bryan even drawing a comic about how "stupid" his fans were) that really made their hatedom ''grow''. Are Bryke are still just as good as ever for all the great work they've done, ever, did they lose their writing skills, or were they never good writers in the first place because they relied on the other staff members to do the heavy lifting?
** Whether any of the canonical pairings were developed well enough, it has gotten to the point where "Bryke can't write romance" can often be heard uttered throughout the fandom. While most people are tolerant of the Sokka/Suki romance, Sokka/Suki, they continue to be very divided on the way ships such as Aang/Katara, Zuko/Mai, Mako/Korra, Bolin/Eska, Zhu Li/Varrick, Korra/Asami were written. It was worse with this fandom than most others because the creators themselves frequently got involved. Bryke made a [[ArtistDisillusionment video insulting their Zutara fans]].fans]] only to admit a couple of years later that in retrospect [[CreatorBacklash Kataang was a]] [[http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace forced ship]]. Bryke mentioned that Korra and Mako were made for each other but then they said [[LyingCreator they were never supposed to last]]. The reveal that the head writer, Aaron Ehasz wanted Zuko/Katara to happen ([[ExecutiveMeddling but was]] [[CreativeDifferences not allowed to]]) and the release of the LoveItOrHateIt comics have only worsened this.



** Zuko/Katara is a legendary example (it's even the trope's image). The two are the DesignatedParents for the Gaang, have copious amounts of ShipTease and spend the finale together as FireForgedFriends.

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** Zuko/Katara is a legendary example (it's even the trope's image). In fact, it is very common among casual viewers or people who have never watched the series to think Zuko and Katara ended up together due to the sheer ubiquitousness of the pairing. The two are the DesignatedParents for the Gaang, have copious amounts of ShipTease and spend the finale together as FireForgedFriends. To many fans the [[OfficialCouple canonical Katara/Aang]] had a RelationshipWritingFumble where the two appeared to be LikeBrotherAndSister, and the [[ShipMates Mai/Zuko relationship]] is a MasochismTango that was StrangledByTheRedString.


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** Aang and Katara's relationship comes off as more familial than romantic at times as Katara acts as the mature TeamMom to the goofy KidHero Aang. The WillTheyOrWontThey aspect is dragged along and beaten to death until the very end of the series finale. Many fans of the show were actually surprised that the two turned out to be the OfficialCouple rather than a RedHerring where the two acted as {{Romantic False Lead}}s for each other. This is even {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d a couple of times throughout the series by the writers, most prominently in Ember Island Players where actress Katara says she only loves Aang like a brother and falls for Zuko instead.
*** A huge amount of focus is put on Aang's feelings for Katara whereas [[MasterOfTheMixedMessage Katara's feelings towards Aang are left largely ambiguous or given little attention]]. But she had a huge and very obvious attraction to Jet, this only makes her feelings for Aang look strictly platonic in comparison.
27th Nov '16 5:29:58 PM capthanos
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** Over how much Bryke actually contributed to the development of the series and if Aaron Ehasz should be considered the [[MyRealDaddy real genius behind the franchise]]. There is also [[IncrediblyLamePun the great divide]] between the the fans who [[CreatorWorship love Bryke]] and the fans who [[{{Hatedom}} hate Bryke]]. Mike and Bryan became quite unpopular when they started to [[ArtistDisillusionment insult their own fans]] (such as making an entire video out of fanart drawn by children to mock Zutara shippers) but it wasn't until the [[LoveItOrHateIt polarizing]] sequel series WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra and their refusal to listen to criticism (and continuous insulting of their fanbase - this time with Bryan even drawing a comic about how "stupid" his fans were) that really made their hatedom ''grow''. Are Bryke are still just as good as ever, did they lose their writing skills, or were they never good writers in the first place because they relied on the other staff members to do the heavy lifting?
** Whether any of the canonical pairings were developed well enough, it has gotten to the point where "Bryke can't write romance" can often be heard uttered throughout the fandom. While most people are tolerant of Sokka/Suki, they continue to be very divided on the way ships such as Aang/Katara, Zuko/Mai, Mako/Korra, Bolin/Eska, Zhu Li/Varrick, Korra/Asami were written. It was worse with this fandom than most others because the creators themselves frequently got involved. Bryke made a [[ArtistDisillusionment video insulting their Zutara fans]] only to admit a couple of years later that in retrospect [[CreatorBacklash Kataang was a forced ship.]] Bryke mentioned that Korra and Mako were made for each other but then they said [[LyingCreator they were never supposed to last]]. The reveal that the head writer, Aaron Ehasz wanted Zuko/Katara to happen ([[ExecutiveMeddling but was]] [[CreativeDifferences not allowed to]]) and the release of the LoveItOrHateIt comics have only worsened this.

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** Over how much Bryke actually contributed to the development of the series and if Aaron Ehasz should be considered the [[MyRealDaddy real genius behind the franchise]]. There is also [[IncrediblyLamePun the great divide]] between the the fans who [[CreatorWorship love Bryke]] and the fans who [[{{Hatedom}} hate Bryke]]. Mike and Bryan became quite unpopular A few fans have started to dislike them when they started to [[ArtistDisillusionment insult their own fans]] (such as making an entire video out of fanart drawn by children to mock Zutara shippers) but it wasn't until the [[LoveItOrHateIt polarizing]] polarizing sequel series WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra and their refusal to listen to criticism (and continuous insulting of their fanbase - this time with Bryan even drawing a comic about how "stupid" his fans were) that really made their hatedom ''grow''. Are Bryke are still just as good as ever, ever for all the great work they've done, did they lose their writing skills, or were they never good writers in the first place because they relied on the other staff members to do the heavy lifting?
** Whether any of the canonical pairings were developed well enough, it has gotten to the point where "Bryke can't write romance" can often be heard uttered throughout the fandom. While most people are tolerant of Sokka/Suki, the Sokka/Suki romance, they continue to be very divided on the way ships such as Aang/Katara, Zuko/Mai, Mako/Korra, Bolin/Eska, Zhu Li/Varrick, Korra/Asami were written. It was worse with this fandom than most others because the creators themselves frequently got involved. Bryke made a [[ArtistDisillusionment video insulting their Zutara fans]] only to admit a couple of years later that in retrospect [[CreatorBacklash Kataang was a forced ship.]] fans]]. Bryke mentioned that Korra and Mako were made for each other but then they said [[LyingCreator they were never supposed to last]]. The reveal that the head writer, Aaron Ehasz wanted Zuko/Katara to happen ([[ExecutiveMeddling but was]] [[CreativeDifferences not allowed to]]) and the release of the LoveItOrHateIt comics have only worsened this.



** Zuko/Katara is a legendary example (it's even the trope's image). In fact, it is very common among casual viewers or people who have never watched the series to think Zuko and Katara ended up together due to the sheer ubiquitousness of the pairing. The two are the DesignatedParents for the Gaang, have copious amounts of ShipTease and spend the finale together as FireForgedFriends. To many fans the [[OfficialCouple canonical Katara/Aang]] had a RelationshipWritingFumble where the two appeared to be LikeBrotherAndSister, and the [[ShipMates Mai/Zuko relationship]] is a MasochismTango that was StrangledByTheRedString.

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** Zuko/Katara is a legendary example (it's even the trope's image). In fact, it is very common among casual viewers or people who have never watched the series to think Zuko and Katara ended up together due to the sheer ubiquitousness of the pairing. The two are the DesignatedParents for the Gaang, have copious amounts of ShipTease and spend the finale together as FireForgedFriends. To many fans the [[OfficialCouple canonical Katara/Aang]] had a RelationshipWritingFumble where the two appeared to be LikeBrotherAndSister, and the [[ShipMates Mai/Zuko relationship]] is a MasochismTango that was StrangledByTheRedString.



** Aang and Katara's relationship comes off as more familial than romantic at times as Katara acts as the mature TeamMom to the goofy KidHero Aang. The WillTheyOrWontThey aspect is dragged along and beaten to death until the very end of the series finale. Many fans of the show were actually surprised that the two turned out to be the OfficialCouple rather than a RedHerring where the two acted as {{Romantic False Lead}}s for each other. This is even {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d a couple of times throughout the series by the writers, most prominently in Ember Island Players where actress Katara says she only loves Aang like a brother and falls for Zuko instead.
*** A huge amount of focus is put on Aang's feelings for Katara whereas [[MasterOfTheMixedMessage Katara's feelings towards Aang are left largely ambiguous or given little attention]]. But she had a huge and very obvious attraction to Jet, this only makes her feelings for Aang look strictly platonic in comparison.
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** Over how much Bryke actually contributed to the development of the series and if Aaron Ehasz should be considered the [[MyRealDaddy real genius behind the franchise]]. There is also [[IncrediblyLamePun the great divide]] between the the fans who [[CreatorWorship love Bryke]] and the fans who [[{{Hatedom}} hate Bryke]]. A few fans began to dislike them after they [[ArtistDisillusionment insulted a few of their own fans]] (such as making an entire video out of fanart to mock Zutara shippers) but it wasn't until the polarizing sequel series WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra that made their hatedom ''grow''. Are Bryke are still just as good as ever for all the work they have done for both series, did they lose their writing skills, or were they never good writers in the first place because they relied on the other staff members to do the heavy lifting?
** While most people are tolerant of Sokka/Suki, they continue to be very divided on the way ships such as Zuko/Mai, Mako/Korra, Bolin/Eska, Korra/Asami were written. It was worse with this fandom than most others because the creators themselves frequently got involved. Bryke made a [[ArtistDisillusionment video insulting their Zutara fans]]. Bryke mentioned that Korra and Mako were made for each other but then they said [[LyingCreator they were never supposed to last]]. The reveal that the head writer, Aaron Ehasz wanted Zuko/Katara to happen ([[ExecutiveMeddling but was]] [[CreativeDifferences not allowed to]]) and the release of the LoveItOrHateIt comics have only worsened this.

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** Over how much Bryke actually contributed to the development of the series and if Aaron Ehasz should be considered the [[MyRealDaddy real genius behind the franchise]]. There is also [[IncrediblyLamePun the great divide]] between the the fans who [[CreatorWorship love Bryke]] and the fans who [[{{Hatedom}} hate Bryke]]. A few fans began to dislike them after Mike and Bryan became quite unpopular when they started to [[ArtistDisillusionment insulted a few of insult their own fans]] (such as making an entire video out of fanart drawn by children to mock Zutara shippers) but it wasn't until the polarizing [[LoveItOrHateIt polarizing]] sequel series WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra and their refusal to listen to criticism (and continuous insulting of their fanbase - this time with Bryan even drawing a comic about how "stupid" his fans were) that really made their hatedom ''grow''. Are Bryke are still just as good as ever for all the work they have done for both series, ever, did they lose their writing skills, or were they never good writers in the first place because they relied on the other staff members to do the heavy lifting?
** Whether any of the canonical pairings were developed well enough, it has gotten to the point where "Bryke can't write romance" can often be heard uttered throughout the fandom. While most people are tolerant of Sokka/Suki, they continue to be very divided on the way ships such as Aang/Katara, Zuko/Mai, Mako/Korra, Bolin/Eska, Zhu Li/Varrick, Korra/Asami were written. It was worse with this fandom than most others because the creators themselves frequently got involved. Bryke made a [[ArtistDisillusionment video insulting their Zutara fans]]. fans]] only to admit a couple of years later that in retrospect [[CreatorBacklash Kataang was a forced ship.]] Bryke mentioned that Korra and Mako were made for each other but then they said [[LyingCreator they were never supposed to last]]. The reveal that the head writer, Aaron Ehasz wanted Zuko/Katara to happen ([[ExecutiveMeddling but was]] [[CreativeDifferences not allowed to]]) and the release of the LoveItOrHateIt comics have only worsened this.



** Zuko/Katara is a legendary example (it's even the trope's image). The two are the DesignatedParents for the Gaang, have copious amounts of ShipTease and spend the finale together as FireForgedFriends.

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** Zuko/Katara is a legendary example (it's even the trope's image). In fact, it is very common among casual viewers or people who have never watched the series to think Zuko and Katara ended up together due to the sheer ubiquitousness of the pairing. The two are the DesignatedParents for the Gaang, have copious amounts of ShipTease and spend the finale together as FireForgedFriends. To many fans the [[OfficialCouple canonical Katara/Aang]] had a RelationshipWritingFumble where the two appeared to be LikeBrotherAndSister, and the [[ShipMates Mai/Zuko relationship]] is a MasochismTango that was StrangledByTheRedString.


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** Aang and Katara's relationship comes off as more familial than romantic at times as Katara acts as the mature TeamMom to the goofy KidHero Aang. The WillTheyOrWontThey aspect is dragged along and beaten to death until the very end of the series finale. Many fans of the show were actually surprised that the two turned out to be the OfficialCouple rather than a RedHerring where the two acted as {{Romantic False Lead}}s for each other. This is even {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d a couple of times throughout the series by the writers, most prominently in Ember Island Players where actress Katara says she only loves Aang like a brother and falls for Zuko instead.
*** A huge amount of focus is put on Aang's feelings for Katara whereas [[MasterOfTheMixedMessage Katara's feelings towards Aang are left largely ambiguous or given little attention]]. But she had a huge and very obvious attraction to Jet, this only makes her feelings for Aang look strictly platonic in comparison.
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