History YMMV / Atonement

21st May '18 2:35:33 PM Kyrillion
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** To feel too hard toward Briony is to miss the wider faults in the family. She was a confused, hurt child caught up in her own imagination, who at least at the time believes what she says. The adults doubled down on her accusation and where you know they’d have protected a ‘real’ son of the family for right or wrong, were quick to both believe the worst of the housekeeper’s som and to ‘throw him to the fucking wolves’. While Briony holds herself fully responsible for Cecilia and Robbie’s fate, there’s no reason to suppose Robbie still wouldn’t have died in the same circumstances, the setting being WWII. Given how quick the Tallis family were to turn their back on Robbie in the events that played out, it’s quite possible Cecilia would still have ended up estranged and living off her own means just by pursuing a relationship with him, and therefore still have been in a position to shelter at Balham on that fateful night. Briony makes a terrible blunder, one do big ig takes her years to come to terms with, and fate robs her of the chance to ever set things right in time. The novel asks the question whether such a wrong against others can ever be stoned for and to flatly answer ‘no’ misses engaging with that idea, and is also rather s bleak attitude considering we have all as humans done things we desperately wish we could take back and never can.
21st May '18 2:18:40 PM Kyrillion
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*** Lola’s rape could NOT have been consensual as she is fifteen years old and Marshall is an adult in his twenties. Precocious flirting and not reacting ‘correctly’ to being rape does not stop a child bring a child.
18th Apr '18 1:30:52 AM GlassCatOwl
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** In the book, the reader is treated to a very harsh portrait of the young Briony in the lead-up to [[spoiler: Lola's rape. Considering this is meant to have been written by her older self, is it a reliable interpretation of events or is Briony's self-loathing and regret making her an UnreliableNarrator? To go even further, writer!Briony doesn't actually know that Marshall was Lola's rapist — or even that Robbie was innocent, only that his and Cecilia's relationship was consensual. Rereading the book is a bit of a MindScrew.]]



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Briony's elder self, whom the audience is clearly supposed to feel sorry for due to her guilt and [[spoiler:oncoming dementia.]] However, the whole mess she describes was almost ''entirely'' her fault, brought about by her [[GreenEyedMonster envy]], [[TeensAreMonsters cruelty]] and [[KnowNothingKnowItAll sheer stupidity]]. Her attempt at [[spoiler:giving Robbie and Cecelia a happy ending in her book]] comes off as a truly pathetic attempt to hide from her guilt.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Briony's elder self, whom the audience is clearly supposed to feel sorry for due to her guilt and [[spoiler:oncoming dementia.]] However, the whole mess she describes was almost ''entirely'' her fault, brought about by her [[GreenEyedMonster envy]], [[TeensAreMonsters cruelty]] and [[KnowNothingKnowItAll sheer stupidity]]. Her attempt at [[spoiler:giving Robbie and Cecelia a happy ending in her book]] comes off as a truly pathetic attempt to hide from her guilt.guilt, although even [[spoiler: in fiction]] they don't forgive her.
24th Feb '18 6:18:09 AM QueenofSwords
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Briony's elder self, whom the audience is clearly supposed to feel sorry for due to her guilt and [[spoiler:oncoming dementia.]] However, the whole mess she describes was almost ''entirely'' her fault, brought about by her envy, cruelty and sheer stupidity. Her attempt at [[spoiler:giving Robbie and Cecelia a happy ending in her book]] comes off as a truly pathetic attempt to hide from her guilt.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Briony's elder self, whom the audience is clearly supposed to feel sorry for due to her guilt and [[spoiler:oncoming dementia.]] However, the whole mess she describes was almost ''entirely'' her fault, brought about by her envy, cruelty [[GreenEyedMonster envy]], [[TeensAreMonsters cruelty]] and [[KnowNothingKnowItAll sheer stupidity.stupidity]]. Her attempt at [[spoiler:giving Robbie and Cecelia a happy ending in her book]] comes off as a truly pathetic attempt to hide from her guilt.
24th Feb '18 6:12:35 AM QueenofSwords
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** Briony's actions [[spoiler: regarding the happy ending she gives to Robbie and Cecilia in her novel]]: is she genuinely making amends to people she wronged the only way she can and knows how, or is she selfishly, cravenly and dishonestly attempting to rewrite history and cover up her own actions to make herself feel better, and hiding behind atonement as a justification? What's more is that in the DistantFinale [[spoiler: Briony claims she will be suffering from dementia. So if she writes a happy ending for Robbie and Cecilia, the dementia may make her think it's true...]].

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** Briony's actions [[spoiler: regarding the happy ending she gives to Robbie and Cecilia in her novel]]: is she genuinely making amends to people she wronged the only way she can and knows how, or is she selfishly, cravenly and dishonestly attempting to rewrite history and cover up her own actions to make herself feel better, and hiding behind atonement as a justification? What's more is that in the DistantFinale [[spoiler: Briony claims she will be suffering from dementia. So if she writes a happy ending for Robbie and Cecilia, the dementia may make her think it's true...]].]]
24th Feb '18 6:12:23 AM QueenofSwords
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** Briony's actions [[spoiler: regarding the happy ending she gives to Robbie and Cecilia in her novel]]: is she genuinely making amends to people she wronged the only way she can and knows how, or is she selfishly, cravenly and dishonestly attempting to rewrite history and cover up her own actions to make herself feel better, and hiding behind atonement as a justification? What's more is that in the DistantFinale [[spoiler: Briony claims she will be suffering from dementia. So if she writes a happy ending for Robbie and Cecilia, the dementia will make her think it's true. Adds another layer to her motivations]].

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** Briony's actions [[spoiler: regarding the happy ending she gives to Robbie and Cecilia in her novel]]: is she genuinely making amends to people she wronged the only way she can and knows how, or is she selfishly, cravenly and dishonestly attempting to rewrite history and cover up her own actions to make herself feel better, and hiding behind atonement as a justification? What's more is that in the DistantFinale [[spoiler: Briony claims she will be suffering from dementia. So if she writes a happy ending for Robbie and Cecilia, the dementia will may make her think it's true. Adds another layer to her motivations]].true...]].
24th Feb '18 6:11:46 AM QueenofSwords
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Briony's elder self, whom the audience is clearly supposed to feel sorry for due to her guilt and [[spoiler:oncoming dementia.]] However, the whole mess she describes was almost ''entirely'' her fault, brought about by her envy, cruelty and sheer stupidity. Her attempt at [[spoiler:giving Robbie and Cecelia a happy ending in her book]] comes off as a truly pathetic attempt to hide from her guilt.



** Cecilia knows Briony has an overactive imagination. She's clearly afraid of Briony showing the letter to her mother. You'd think as soon as everyone was looking for the twins, she'd at least take Briony aside and explain the situation.
** Granted, it's awkward for your little sister to walk in on you having sex, but she also could have at least said something to her after Briony catches her and Robbie in the library instead of silently leaving, thus making Briony confused and ignorant to Cecilia's consent to the encounter.

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** Cecilia knows Briony has an overactive imagination. She's clearly afraid of Briony showing the letter to her mother. You'd think as soon as everyone was looking for the twins, she'd at least take Briony aside and explain the situation.
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situation. Granted, it's awkward for your little sister to walk in on you having sex, but she also could have at least said something to her after Briony catches her and Robbie in the library instead of silently leaving, thus making Briony confused and ignorant to Cecilia's consent to the encounter.
18th Jan '18 11:18:54 AM CharlesPhipps
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: Don't trust the rich if you're a poor person, even if they're seemingly as close as family to you.


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** There's a certain level of UnintentionallyUnsympathetic to Robbie as while he is convicted of a horrific crime he didn't commit, the movie points out he missed the fact none of the family except Cecilia was willing to think him innocent on the flimsiest of pretenses. His attempt to better his station put him among a bunch of UpperClassTwit {{Jerkass}} types who quickly turned on him.
4th Jul '17 1:04:13 PM fearlessnikki
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Briony's actions [[spoiler: regarding the happy ending she gives to Robbie and Cecilia in her novel]]: is she genuinely making amends to people she wronged the only way she can and knows how, or is she selfishly, cravenly and dishonestly attempting to rewrite history and cover up her own actions to make herself feel better, and hiding behind atonement as a justification?

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Briony's actions [[spoiler: regarding the happy ending she gives to Robbie and Cecilia in her novel]]: is she genuinely making amends to people she wronged the only way she can and knows how, or is she selfishly, cravenly and dishonestly attempting to rewrite history and cover up her own actions to make herself feel better, and hiding behind atonement as a justification?justification? What's more is that in the DistantFinale [[spoiler: Briony claims she will be suffering from dementia. So if she writes a happy ending for Robbie and Cecilia, the dementia will make her think it's true. Adds another layer to her motivations]].



* AwardSnub: Despite garnering nominations in other parts of the awards circuit, including the [=BAFTAs=] and the Golden Globes, Keira Knightley and James [=McAvoy=] ultimately failed to earn Oscar nominations. Though both categories were especially crowded with talent during the 80th Academy Awards, it doesn't stop fans from complaining that they could have replaced [[Film/{{Juno}} Ellen Page]] or [[Film/SweeneyTodd Johnny Depp]].
** Despite seven nominations, second only the eight by Film/NoCountryForOldMen and Film/ThereWillBeBlood, the film itself ultimately went home with only one Oscar for Best Original Score.

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Despite garnering nominations in other parts of the awards circuit, including the [=BAFTAs=] and the Golden Globes, Keira Knightley and James [=McAvoy=] ultimately failed to earn Oscar nominations. Though both categories were especially crowded with talent during the 80th Academy Awards, it doesn't stop fans from complaining that they could have replaced [[Film/{{Juno}} Ellen Page]] or [[Film/SweeneyTodd Johnny Depp]].
** Despite seven nominations, second only the eight by Film/NoCountryForOldMen ''Film/NoCountryForOldMen'' and Film/ThereWillBeBlood, ''Film/ThereWillBeBlood'', the film itself ultimately went home with only one Oscar for Best Original Score.



* RetroactiveRecognition: One of Benedict Cumberbatch's earlier film roles. He uses a high-pitched voice to add to the UpperClassTwit feel, making him harder to recognize now.

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One of Benedict Cumberbatch's earlier film roles. He uses a high-pitched voice to add to the UpperClassTwit feel, making him harder to recognize now.



* WhatAnIdiot: Cecilia knows Briony has an overactive imagination. She's clearly afraid of Briony showing the letter to her mother. You'd think as soon as everyone was looking for the twins, she'd at least take Briony aside and explain the situation.

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Cecilia knows Briony has an overactive imagination. She's clearly afraid of Briony showing the letter to her mother. You'd think as soon as everyone was looking for the twins, she'd at least take Briony aside and explain the situation.



** Cecilia and Robbie never consider Marshall as a possibility for the real rapist until Briony tells them, even though he was the stranger in the house that night and had showed up at dinner with a scratch to match Lola's bruises. (In an interesting example of NotSoDifferent, they seem to have settled on Danny Hardman as certainly as Briony settled on Robbie, and based on as little evidence, prompting Robbie to remark that they "owe Able Seaman Hardman an apology.")
*** [[spoiler:Though this is Briony's fictional version of Robbie and Cecilia, it may be true or it may be Briony's imagination.]]

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** Cecilia and Robbie never consider Marshall as a possibility for the real rapist until Briony tells them, even though he was the stranger in the house that night and had showed up at dinner with a scratch to match Lola's bruises. (In an interesting example of NotSoDifferent, they seem to have settled on Danny Hardman as certainly as Briony settled on Robbie, and based on as little evidence, prompting Robbie to remark that they "owe Able Seaman Hardman an apology.")
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") [[spoiler:Though this is Briony's fictional version of Robbie and Cecilia, it may be true or it may be Briony's imagination.]]
1st Jun '17 8:07:12 AM Wuz
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* SignatureScene: The Dunkirk oner. While people had questioned the shooting of the scene as a oner since the single shot adds little to the story (it wasn't supposed to be one, but became one due to time constraints), the result was found to be quite memorable when taken on its own as a cinematic painting of the chaos at Dunkirk. The scene itself ended up being somewhat more famous than the movie itself.
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