History YMMV / AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlag

10th Aug '17 3:28:36 PM StFan
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* CatharsisFactor: After going through most of the main story with amoral abandon, the opportunity to have an unambiguously righteous cause to fight for in ''Freedom Cry'' is immensely satisfying. Hacking to pieces overseers (who are paid to beat obedience into slaves or kill them rather than risk a plantation uprising) in order to liberate people from a lifetime of hard forced labor scratches an indignant itch.
* CompleteMonster: [[FauxAffablyEvil Pierre]], [[AristocratsAreEvil Marquis de Fayet]], the BigBad of the ''[[Characters/AssassinsCreedFreedomCry Freedom Cry]]'' {{DLC}}, is the [[AntagonisticGovernor Governor]] of Port au Prince. He is presented as less racist then the other slave masters and out to calm the violence, when, in fact, it's quite the opposite. Slaves on Saint-Domingue and its surrounding territories are treated extremely harshly under his rule, brutal system of oppression. [[{{Hypocrite}} Despite his racism]], de Fayet also supports and frequents an African brothel. Later, when the Maroons end up freeing large amounts of slaves, de Fayet orders slave ships about to be captured to be sunk with the slaves still on board, condemning them to drown while chained up. When he's tracked down to his estate, he's has slaves lined up to be tortured with a branding iron for information, shooting them when they don't comply. When Adéwalé, the hero of the DLC, finally has de Fayet at his blade's edge, de Fayet justifies himself with the belief that [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain blacks are less than human]] and he can do with them as he wishes.



** Adewalé is pretty cool too and arguably more likable than Edward. This was likely intentional, as he now has a DLC campaign named ''Freedom Cry'' out.

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** Adewalé Adéwalé is pretty cool too and arguably more likable than Edward. This was likely intentional, as he now has a DLC campaign named ''Freedom Cry'' out.



* MoralEventHorizon:
** Any pretenses of Torres of sophistication and intelligence and even fair-mindedness goes out the window in the final mission [[spoiler: where he and his soldiers charge to the Observatory in Long Bay, Jamaica and massacre what seems to be a hundred native tribesman of the Taino. Edward finds their corpses dotting his path up the jungle.]]
** The DLC ''Freedom Cry'' gives an even worse one to Gouverneur de Fayet, also a historical figure[[note]]specifically Saint-Domingue's governor-general Pierre, marquis de Fayet[[/note]], who visits a brothel of African women while perpetrating a vile system of abuse on the slave population of Port au Prince. He [[spoiler:orders a crew to fire on and sink a slave ship, with most of them drowning and Adewale barely surviving. And he also tortures another slave with a branding iron, and in the end, he still has the temerity to justify it to Adewale when the latter murders him... which, considering the optional objectives being the canonical historical route, was [[LaserGuidedKarma with his own branding iron]].]]

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* MoralEventHorizon:
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MoralEventHorizon: Any pretenses of Torres of sophistication and intelligence and even fair-mindedness goes out the window in the final mission [[spoiler: where he and his soldiers charge to the Observatory in Long Bay, Jamaica and massacre what seems to be a hundred native tribesman of the Taino. Edward finds their corpses dotting his path up the jungle.]]
** The DLC ''Freedom Cry'' gives an even worse one to Gouverneur de Fayet, also a historical figure[[note]]specifically Saint-Domingue's governor-general Pierre, marquis de Fayet[[/note]], who visits a brothel of African women while perpetrating a vile system of abuse on the slave population of Port au Prince. He [[spoiler:orders a crew to fire on and sink a slave ship, with most of them drowning and Adewale barely surviving. And he also tortures another slave with a branding iron, and in the end, he still has the temerity to justify it to Adewale when the latter murders him... which, considering the optional objectives being the canonical historical route, was [[LaserGuidedKarma with his own branding iron]].
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** The penultimate sequence of ''Freedom Cry'' may as well be called PlayerPunch. Adéwalé attempts to raid a slave ship in a sequence no different to any other slave ship you encounter. [[spoiler: Only this time no matter how careful you are with your shots, and no matter how quickly you sink the enemy escorts, there will always be one left to fire its guns on the slave ship to rob you of your victory. You might quickly rush in all BigDamnHeroes-like, but the damage is already done by the time you make it there. Once you're inside, you're already knee-deep in sea water as the ship starts to sink, with all of the slaves still chained up and screaming in horror. You're still given the chance to free as many as you can, but despite you moving at possibly your fastest ever, you'll only free a tiny fraction before the ship dips vertical and sinks rapidly. From there, all you can do is escape as you helplessly watch slave after slave either fall to their deaths or futilely try to break their chains as they're dragged down into the sea]].
10th Aug '17 3:07:51 PM StFan
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* CompleteMonster: [[FauxAffablyEvil Pierre]], [[AristocratsAreEvil Marquis de Fayet]], the BigBad of the ''[[Characters/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlagFreedomCry Freedom Cry]]'' {{DLC}}, is the [[AntagonisticGovernor Governor]] of Port au Prince. He is presented as less racist then the other slave masters and out to calm the violence, when, in fact, it's quite the opposite. Slaves on Saint-Domingue and its surrounding territories are treated extremely harshly under his rule, brutal system of oppression. [[{{Hypocrite}} Despite his racism]], de Fayet also supports and frequents an African brothel. Later, when the Maroons end up freeing large amounts of slaves, de Fayet orders slave ships about to be captured to be sunk with the slaves still on board, condemning them to drown while chained up. When he's tracked down to his estate, he's has slaves lined up to be tortured with a branding iron for information, shooting them when they don't comply. When Adéwalé, the hero of the DLC, finally has de Fayet at his blade's edge, de Fayet justifies himself with the belief that [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain blacks are less than human]] and he can do with them as he wishes.

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* CompleteMonster: [[FauxAffablyEvil Pierre]], [[AristocratsAreEvil Marquis de Fayet]], the BigBad of the ''[[Characters/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlagFreedomCry ''[[Characters/AssassinsCreedFreedomCry Freedom Cry]]'' {{DLC}}, is the [[AntagonisticGovernor Governor]] of Port au Prince. He is presented as less racist then the other slave masters and out to calm the violence, when, in fact, it's quite the opposite. Slaves on Saint-Domingue and its surrounding territories are treated extremely harshly under his rule, brutal system of oppression. [[{{Hypocrite}} Despite his racism]], de Fayet also supports and frequents an African brothel. Later, when the Maroons end up freeing large amounts of slaves, de Fayet orders slave ships about to be captured to be sunk with the slaves still on board, condemning them to drown while chained up. When he's tracked down to his estate, he's has slaves lined up to be tortured with a branding iron for information, shooting them when they don't comply. When Adéwalé, the hero of the DLC, finally has de Fayet at his blade's edge, de Fayet justifies himself with the belief that [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain blacks are less than human]] and he can do with them as he wishes.
3rd Aug '17 2:49:20 PM MyFinalEdits
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* ItsEasySoItSucks: The melee combat is almost disappointingly easy. Counterattacks are always a OneHitKill and are easy to perform, enemies with guns can be made to kill their allies with a single button press, and the big guys with axes, who still required a full combo in ''III'', now go down with a single hit after you break their defenses. It's telling that it's easier to just kill the backups the game suggests you to escape from.

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* ItsEasySoItSucks: The melee combat is almost disappointingly easy. Counterattacks are always a OneHitKill and are easy to perform, enemies with guns can be made to kill their allies with a single button press, and the big guys with axes, who still required a full combo in ''III'', now go down with a single hit after you break their defenses. It's telling that it's easier to just kill the backups the game suggests you to escape from.%%* ItsEasySoItSucks
3rd Aug '17 6:01:15 AM Killerikala
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* ItsEasySoItSucks: The melee combat is almost disappointingly easy. Counterattacks are always a OneHitKill and are easy to perform, enemies with guns can be made to kill their allies with a single button press, and the big guys with axes, who still required a full combo in ''III'', now go down with a single hit after you break their defenses. It's telling that it's easier to just kill the backups the game suggests you to escape from.
2nd Jul '17 2:28:18 PM Kazuto
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** Like with ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'', Microsoft are charging 70 dollars for ''Black Flag'' on their Games On Demand Service. Unlike ''GTA V'', most of the arguments are one-sided attacks at Microsoft, as most of the other games are a ''seventh'' of that price (''3'' is the only one above ten dollars, at 30), and it came out during Microsoft's Winter Sale, where many games were much cheaper than they would have been. Even ''worse'', ''Freedom's Cry'', a spin-off DLC, came out right before the [=GoD=] copy of ''Black Flag'', and guess what its price was? Ten dollars. However, Microsoft lowered the price to thirty dollars, avoiding this splintering of the base.

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** Like with ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'', Microsoft are charging 70 dollars for ''Black Flag'' on their Games On Demand Service. Unlike ''GTA V'', most of the arguments are one-sided attacks at Microsoft, as most of the other games are a ''seventh'' of that price (''3'' is the only one above ten dollars, at 30), and it came out during Microsoft's Winter Sale, where many games were much cheaper than they would have been. Even ''worse'', ''Freedom's ''Freedom Cry'', a spin-off DLC, came out right before the [=GoD=] copy of ''Black Flag'', and guess what its price was? Ten dollars. However, Microsoft lowered the price to thirty dollars, avoiding this splintering of the base.



* CompleteMonster: [[FauxAffablyEvil Pierre]], [[AristocratsAreEvil Marquis de Fayet]], the BigBad of the ''[[Characters/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlagFreedomCry Freedom Cry]]'' {{DLC}}, is the [[AntagonisticGovernor Governor]] of Port au Prince. He is presented as less racist then the other slave masters and out to calm the violence, when, in fact, it's quite the opposite. Slaves on Saint-Domingue and its surrounding territories are treated extremely harshly under his rule, brutal system of oppression. [[{{Hypocrite}} Despite his racism]], de Fayet also supports and frequents an African brothel. Later, when the Maroons end up freeing large ammounts of slaves, de Fayet orders slave ships about to be captured to be sunk with the slaves still on board, condemning them to drown while chained up. When he's tracked down to his estate, he's has slaves lined up to be tortured with a branding iron for information, shooting them when they don't comply. When Adéwalé, the hero of the DLC, finally has de Fayet at his blade's edge, de Fayet justifies himself with the belief that [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain blacks are less than human]] and he can do with them as he wishes.
* CrazyAwesome: Blackbeard. He's violent, he's ruthless, and he's impulsive, but damned if he isn't likable! [[spoiler: Sadly, he's TooCoolToLive.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[FauxAffablyEvil Pierre]], [[AristocratsAreEvil Marquis de Fayet]], the BigBad of the ''[[Characters/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlagFreedomCry Freedom Cry]]'' {{DLC}}, is the [[AntagonisticGovernor Governor]] of Port au Prince. He is presented as less racist then the other slave masters and out to calm the violence, when, in fact, it's quite the opposite. Slaves on Saint-Domingue and its surrounding territories are treated extremely harshly under his rule, brutal system of oppression. [[{{Hypocrite}} Despite his racism]], de Fayet also supports and frequents an African brothel. Later, when the Maroons end up freeing large ammounts amounts of slaves, de Fayet orders slave ships about to be captured to be sunk with the slaves still on board, condemning them to drown while chained up. When he's tracked down to his estate, he's has slaves lined up to be tortured with a branding iron for information, shooting them when they don't comply. When Adéwalé, the hero of the DLC, finally has de Fayet at his blade's edge, de Fayet justifies himself with the belief that [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain blacks are less than human]] and he can do with them as he wishes.
* CrazyAwesome: Blackbeard. He's violent, he's ruthless, and he's impulsive, but damned if he isn't likable! likeable! [[spoiler: Sadly, he's TooCoolToLive.]]



** Adewale is pretty cool too and arguably more likable than Edward. This was likely intentional, as he now has a DLC campaign named ''Freedom's Cry'' out.

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** Adewale Adewalé is pretty cool too and arguably more likable than Edward. This was likely intentional, as he now has a DLC campaign named ''Freedom's ''Freedom Cry'' out.
2nd Jul '17 2:19:10 PM Kazuto
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** Abstergo Entertainment and its employees as a whole. Are Olivier Garneau and Melanie Lemay simply decent people who are an UnwittingPawn to their JerkAss bosses[[note]]for example, Olivier claims not to know why, other than "orders from above", they're not allowed to call Julien du Casse and others "Templars"[[/note]] or are they PunchClockVillains who are JustFollowingOrders no matter how bizarre and illegal[[note]]Lemay -- although reluctantly -- locks down the Abstergo building and imprisons all her workers in the office, which violates more civil rights than you can shake a fist at! Then again, according to her, she had the authority to detain them ''indefinitely''...[[/note]]? Are the employees merely interested in working to make a good product or are they consciously spreading Templar propaganda. WordOfGod is that [[spoiler:Olivier may be the only one who "''does know who his bosses are''", while "''most people at AE''" are indeed the UnwittingPawn.]] It's later revealed in ''AssassinsCreedRogue'' that [[spoiler:Lemay, at least, is indeed a Templar. And given that a file for Otso Berg, who plays a big role in ''Rogue'', shows up in Black Flag, it seems that WordOfGod was misleading. For all that she's quite perky, it appears Lemay knew from the start. Although she may only have been promoted after the Assassins kidnapped Olivier.]]
** Oliver Bowden's [[Literature/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlag tie-in novel]] which adds an epilogue to the events of the game muddies Edward's redemptive story to some. It's hard to accept that Edward truly learned that "''money wasn't everything''" as the main game insists when at the end of the book, [[spoiler:after becoming an Assassin, he takes the Prime Minister Sir UsefulNotes/RobertWalpole's pardon and offer of money and business in exchange of sparing some Templars, justifying this on grounds of it serving as a foundation for his "''assassin business''"]]. Is Edward a morally ambiguous AntiHero who was a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, or a mere opportunist with DelusionsOfEloquence and self-importance.

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** Abstergo Entertainment and its employees as a whole. Are Olivier Garneau and Melanie Lemay simply decent people who are an UnwittingPawn to their JerkAss bosses[[note]]for example, Olivier claims not to know why, other than "orders from above", they're not allowed to call Julien du Casse and others "Templars"[[/note]] or are they PunchClockVillains who are JustFollowingOrders no matter how bizarre and illegal[[note]]Lemay -- although reluctantly -- locks down the Abstergo building and imprisons all her workers in the office, which violates more civil rights than you can shake a fist at! Then again, according to her, she had the authority to detain them ''indefinitely''...[[/note]]? Are the employees merely interested in working to make a good product or are they consciously spreading Templar propaganda. WordOfGod is that [[spoiler:Olivier may be the only one who "''does 'does know who his bosses are''", are', while "''most 'most people at AE''" AE' are indeed the UnwittingPawn.]] It's later revealed in ''AssassinsCreedRogue'' ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRogue'' that [[spoiler:Lemay, at least, is indeed a Templar. And given that a file for Otso Berg, who plays a big role in ''Rogue'', shows up in Black Flag, it seems that WordOfGod was misleading. For all that she's quite perky, it appears Lemay knew from the start. Although she may only have been promoted after the Assassins kidnapped Olivier.]]
** Oliver Bowden's [[Literature/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlag tie-in novel]] which adds an epilogue to the events of the game muddies Edward's redemptive story to some. It's hard to accept that Edward truly learned that "''money wasn't everything''" as the main game insists when at the end of the book, [[spoiler:after becoming an Assassin, he takes the Prime Minister Sir UsefulNotes/RobertWalpole's pardon and offer of money and business in exchange of sparing some Templars, justifying this on grounds of it serving as a foundation for his "''assassin business''"]]. 'Assassin business']]. Is Edward a morally ambiguous AntiHero who was a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, or a mere opportunist with DelusionsOfEloquence and self-importance.self-importance?
2nd Jul '17 2:16:46 PM Kazuto
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** Abstergo Entertainment and its employees as a whole. Are Olivier Garneau and Melanie Lemay simply decent people who are an UnwittingPawn to their JerkAss bosses[[note]]for example, Olivier claims not to know why, other than "orders from above", they're not allowed to call Julien du Casse and others "Templars"[[/note]] or are they PunchClockVillains who are JustFollowingOrders no matter how bizarre and illegal[[note]]Lemay -- although reluctantly -- locks down the Abstergo building and imprisons all her workers in the office, which violates more civil rights than you can shake a fist at! Then again, according to her, she had the authority to detain them ''indefinitely''...[[/note]]? Are the employees merely interested in working to make a good product or are they consciously spreading Templar propaganda. WordOfGod is that [[spoiler:Olivier may be the only one who "''does know who his bosses are''", while "''most people at AE''" are indeed the UnwittingPawn.]] It's later revealed in ''Rogues'' that [[spoiler:Lemay, at least, is indeed a Templar. And given that a file for Otso Berg, who plays a big role in Rogue, shows up in Black Flag, it seems that WordOfGod was misleading. For all that she's quite perky, it appears Lemay knew from the start. Although she may only have been promoted after the Assassins kidnapped Olivier.]]

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** Abstergo Entertainment and its employees as a whole. Are Olivier Garneau and Melanie Lemay simply decent people who are an UnwittingPawn to their JerkAss bosses[[note]]for example, Olivier claims not to know why, other than "orders from above", they're not allowed to call Julien du Casse and others "Templars"[[/note]] or are they PunchClockVillains who are JustFollowingOrders no matter how bizarre and illegal[[note]]Lemay -- although reluctantly -- locks down the Abstergo building and imprisons all her workers in the office, which violates more civil rights than you can shake a fist at! Then again, according to her, she had the authority to detain them ''indefinitely''...[[/note]]? Are the employees merely interested in working to make a good product or are they consciously spreading Templar propaganda. WordOfGod is that [[spoiler:Olivier may be the only one who "''does know who his bosses are''", while "''most people at AE''" are indeed the UnwittingPawn.]] It's later revealed in ''Rogues'' ''AssassinsCreedRogue'' that [[spoiler:Lemay, at least, is indeed a Templar. And given that a file for Otso Berg, who plays a big role in Rogue, ''Rogue'', shows up in Black Flag, it seems that WordOfGod was misleading. For all that she's quite perky, it appears Lemay knew from the start. Although she may only have been promoted after the Assassins kidnapped Olivier.]]
29th Jun '17 1:33:11 PM TeraChimera
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** The near constant Capitalization of certain Words in the Subtitles may be Period-Accurate, but after a While, it stops being Atmospheric and starts being Silly simply because of how it Never Stops.
12th Jun '17 4:51:24 PM Brandar
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** After the game came out, people liked the game but debated on whether it was a true ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'' game or just a pirate game with the main series holding on as an ArtifactTitle, with some wondering if it would not be better as a pure pirate game with all the Assassins Vs. Templars stuff taken out (Not helping was Ubisoft releasing a poll asking ''just that''.)

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** After the game came out, people liked the game but debated on whether it was a true ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'' game or just a pirate game with the main series holding on as an ArtifactTitle, with some wondering if it would not be better as a pure pirate game with all the Assassins Vs. Templars stuff taken out (Not helping was Ubisoft releasing out... a poll asking ''just that''.)prospect ''VideoGame/SkullAndBones'' seeks to fulfill.
8th Jun '17 7:44:08 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[FauxAffablyEvil Pierre]], [[AristocratsAreEvil Marquis de Fayet]], the BigBad of the ''[[Characters/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlagFreedomCry Freedom Cry]]'' DLC, is the Governor of Port au Prince. He is [[BaitTheDog initially presented as less racist then the other slave masters and out to calm the violence]], when, in fact, it's quite the opposite. Slaves on Saint-Domingue and its surrounding territories are treated extremely harshly under his rule, a brutal system of oppression. [[{{Hypocrite}} Despite his racism]], de Fayet also supports and frequents an African brothel. Later, when the Maroons end up freeing large numbers of slaves, de Fayet orders slave ships about to be captured to be sunk with the slaves still on board, condemning them to drown while chained up. When he's tracked down to his estate, he's has slaves lined up to be tortured with a branding iron for information, shooting them when they don't comply. When Adéwalé, the hero of the DLC, finally has de Fayet at his blade's edge, de Fayet justifies himself with the belief that [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain blacks are less than human]] and he can do with them as he wishes.

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* CompleteMonster: [[FauxAffablyEvil Pierre]], [[AristocratsAreEvil Marquis de Fayet]], the BigBad of the ''[[Characters/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlagFreedomCry Freedom Cry]]'' DLC, {{DLC}}, is the Governor [[AntagonisticGovernor Governor]] of Port au Prince. He is [[BaitTheDog initially presented as less racist then the other slave masters and out to calm the violence]], violence, when, in fact, it's quite the opposite. Slaves on Saint-Domingue and its surrounding territories are treated extremely harshly under his rule, a brutal system of oppression. [[{{Hypocrite}} Despite his racism]], de Fayet also supports and frequents an African brothel. Later, when the Maroons end up freeing large numbers ammounts of slaves, de Fayet orders slave ships about to be captured to be sunk with the slaves still on board, condemning them to drown while chained up. When he's tracked down to his estate, he's has slaves lined up to be tortured with a branding iron for information, shooting them when they don't comply. When Adéwalé, the hero of the DLC, finally has de Fayet at his blade's edge, de Fayet justifies himself with the belief that [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain blacks are less than human]] and he can do with them as he wishes.
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