History YMMV / Andromeda

12th Nov '17 8:05:46 PM Occidensill
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* NightmareFuel: The Magog. Dear ''God'', the Magog. They manage to top the Borg and the Daleks as a terrifying villain race.

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* NightmareFuel: The Magog. Dear ''God'', the Magog.Magog, aside from their physical appearance. They manage to top the Borg and the Daleks as a terrifying villain race.
12th Nov '17 12:17:32 PM mdwall
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* HarsherInHindsight: Pretty much ''any'' scene with Dylan being a badass takes on a very different tone upon rewatch in light of Kevin Sorbo's later descent into [[TheFundamentalist religious fundamentalism]].
22nd Sep '17 2:23:23 PM Scifimaster92
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The Magog are meant to be the most terrifying race in the universe, but when shown onscreen... suspension of disbelief may take more than a bit of effort.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The Magog are meant to be the most terrifying race in the universe, but when shown onscreen... suspension of disbelief may take more than a bit of effort.effort.
** The CGI varies between well-done, and "1990s UsefulNotes/PlayStation game" quality depending on the episode. While the space scenes generally look pretty decent given the time and budget, the same cannot be said for surface scenes, and the computer-generated elements do not always mesh well with the physical elements. The varying quality is more obvious during the earlier seasons.
16th Jun '17 2:03:50 AM LtFedora
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* InformedAttribute: The Magog are treated as the most terrifying race in the universe. When they actually appear onscreen, they... don't quite live up to the hype. Not only are they very obviously [[SpecialEffectsFailure people lumbering awkwardly in animal suits]], but they get shot down as easily as Storm Troopers when a swarm is attacking a small group of heroes, and have some cringe-worthy dialogue like [[YouNoTakeCandle "Leader... not want food?"]] that seems more fitting for a show aimed at very young children than a sci-fi drama. It's probably not a conicodince that the Magog were replaced by other villains in later seasons, and when they did crop up, were rarely actually shown outside their attacking ships.

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* InformedAttribute: The Magog are treated as the most terrifying race in the universe. When they actually appear onscreen, they... don't quite live up to the hype. Not only are they very obviously [[SpecialEffectsFailure people lumbering awkwardly in animal suits]], but they get shot down as easily as Storm Troopers when a swarm is attacking a small group of heroes, and have some cringe-worthy dialogue like [[YouNoTakeCandle "Leader... not want food?"]] that seems more fitting for a show aimed at very young children than a sci-fi drama. It's probably not a conicodince coincidence that the Magog were replaced by other villains in later seasons, and when they did crop up, were rarely actually shown outside their attacking ships.
3rd Jun '17 9:49:57 PM Scifimaster92
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* HarsherInHindsight: Pretty much ''any'' scene with Dylan being a badass takes on a very different tone upon rewatch in light of Kevin Sorbo's later descent into [[TheFundamentalist religious fundamentalism]].
2nd Jun '17 2:11:30 PM Scifimaster92
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** On the other hand, they can actually become genuinely terrifying once you know what they're actually capable of, up to and including their [[ChestBurster reproductive methods]]. Just goes to show that you shouldn't judge a book by its cover.

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** On the other hand, they can actually become genuinely terrifying once you know what they're actually capable of, up particularly with regards to and including their [[ChestBurster reproductive methods]]. Just goes to show that you shouldn't judge a book by its cover.
1st Jun '17 6:23:42 PM Scifimaster92
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**On the other hand, they can actually become genuinely terrifying once you know what they're actually capable of, up to and including their [[ChestBurster reproductive methods]]. Just goes to show that you shouldn't judge a book by its cover.
1st Jun '17 6:17:49 PM Scifimaster92
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** The Magog of Season 1 [[SpecialEffectsFailure reminds some of]] [[{{Narm}} the Party Store Gorilla.]] It's probably not a coincidence that in later seasons the Magog were often not shown onscreen when attacking, with only their ships and characters' reactions to them being shown. Season 4 eventually found an excuse to change the species altogether by [[spoiler: bringing in an evolved version of the Magog from the future]] and completely changing Rev Bem's appearance for guest appearances.

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** The While some viewers may consider the Magog of Season 1 to be NightmareFuel, [[SpecialEffectsFailure reminds some others are reminded of]] [[{{Narm}} the Party Store Gorilla.]] It's probably not a coincidence that in later seasons the Magog were often not shown onscreen when attacking, with only their ships and characters' reactions to them being shown. Season 4 eventually found an excuse to change the species altogether by [[spoiler: bringing in an evolved version of the Magog from the future]] and completely changing Rev Bem's appearance for guest appearances.



* InformedAttribute: The Magog are treated as the most terrifying race in the universe. When they actually appear onscreen, they... don't quite live up to the hype. Not only are they very obviously [[SpecialEffectsFailure people lumbering awkwardly in animal suits]], but they get shot down as easily as Storm Troopers when a swarm is attacking a small group of heroes, and have some cringe-worthy dialogue like "Leader... not want food?" that seems more fitting for a show aimed at very young children than a sci-fi drama. It's probably not a conicodince that the Magog were replaced by other villains in later seasons, and when they did crop up, were rarely actually shown outside their attacking ships.

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* InformedAttribute: The Magog are treated as the most terrifying race in the universe. When they actually appear onscreen, they... don't quite live up to the hype. Not only are they very obviously [[SpecialEffectsFailure people lumbering awkwardly in animal suits]], but they get shot down as easily as Storm Troopers when a swarm is attacking a small group of heroes, and have some cringe-worthy dialogue like [[YouNoTakeCandle "Leader... not want food?" food?"]] that seems more fitting for a show aimed at very young children than a sci-fi drama. It's probably not a conicodince that the Magog were replaced by other villains in later seasons, and when they did crop up, were rarely actually shown outside their attacking ships.
16th May '17 10:26:21 PM mlsmithca
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Obviously the below-mentioned "hardcore fans" will not agree with this observation, but to those outside that circle, it is fairly obvious that many of the plot twists throughout the show were introduced to fix problematic characters or elements.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Obviously the below-mentioned "hardcore fans" will not agree with this observation, but to those outside that circle, it is fairly obvious that many of the plot twists throughout the show were introduced to fix problematic characters or elements.



** The Magog of Season 1, while considered HighOctaneNightmareFuel to some, [[SpecialEffectsFailure remind others more of]] [[{{Narm}} the Party Store Gorilla.]] It's probably not a coincodince that in later seasons the Magog were often not shown onscreen when attacking, with only their ships and characters' reactions to them being shown. Season 4 eventually found an excuse to change the species altogether by [[spoiler: bringing in an evolved version of the Magog from the future]] and completely changing Rev Bem's appearance for guest appearances.

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** The Magog of Season 1, while considered HighOctaneNightmareFuel to some, 1 [[SpecialEffectsFailure remind others more reminds some of]] [[{{Narm}} the Party Store Gorilla.]] It's probably not a coincodince coincidence that in later seasons the Magog were often not shown onscreen when attacking, with only their ships and characters' reactions to them being shown. Season 4 eventually found an excuse to change the species altogether by [[spoiler: bringing in an evolved version of the Magog from the future]] and completely changing Rev Bem's appearance for guest appearances.



* {{Fridge|Horror}} {{Squick}}:
** If post-Ouroboros Trance is adult Trance, then does that make pre-Ouroboros underaged Trance?[[LessDisturbingInContext Much less squicky]] once it's established that she's [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld several billion years old]] [[GeniusLoci star]] using an [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith artificial humanoid body]] as a sockpuppet.

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* {{Fridge|Horror}} {{Squick}}:
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FridgeHorror: If post-Ouroboros Trance is adult Trance, then does that make pre-Ouroboros underaged Trance?[[LessDisturbingInContext Much less squicky]] once it's established that she's [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld several billion years old]] [[GeniusLoci star]] using an [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith artificial humanoid body]] as a sockpuppet.sockpuppet.
* GrowingTheBeard: The series' lighting, make-up, costuming, and writing improves after the first mid-season break (beginning with "Music of a Distant Drum" and "Harper 2.0"), and introduces the Magog/Spirit of the Abyss plot and a shift to a more ensemble-based set up. The cheese also shifts from embarrassing to self-aware and fun. Many fans believe this was undone shortly after "Ouroboros," while others feel that episode was when the show truly Grew the Beard.



* GrowingTheBeard: The series' lighting, make-up, costuming, and writing improves after the first mid-season break (beginning with "Music of a Distant Drum" and "Harper 2.0"), and introduces the Magog/Spirit of the Abyss plot and a shift to a more ensemble-based set up. The cheese also shifts from embarrassing to self-aware and fun. Many fans believe this was undone shortly after "Ouroboros," while others feel that episode was when the show truly Grew the Beard.
16th May '17 1:08:29 PM SallyShears
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Obviously the below-mentioned "hardcore fans" will not agree with this observation, but to those outside that circle, it is fairly obvious that many of the plot twists throughout the show were introduced to fix problematic characters or elements.
** Trance Gemini, while always lovable, is undeniably corny in her purple form; the new-Trance introduced in "Ouroboros" is significantly more complex and mature, and [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement in some viewer's eyes]], more fitting for the show.
** After three seasons of attempting to develop Tyr Anasazi while also looking for any excuse to bring Gaheris Rhade back with a flashback or alternate timeline, the writers finally threw up their hands and concluded that [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Rhade might offer more for writers and viewers, having a more tangible personality and a somewhat more enthusiastic actor]], so they wrote Tyr out and brought in Rhade's clone descendant.
** The Magog of Season 1, while considered HighOctaneNightmareFuel to some, [[SpecialEffectsFailure remind others more of]] [[{{Narm}} the Party Store Gorilla.]] It's probably not a coincodince that in later seasons the Magog were often not shown onscreen when attacking, with only their ships and characters' reactions to them being shown. Season 4 eventually found an excuse to change the species altogether by [[spoiler: bringing in an evolved version of the Magog from the future]] and completely changing Rev Bem's appearance for guest appearances.



* GrowingTheBeard: The series' lighting, make-up, costuming, and writing improves after the first mid-season break (beginning with "Music of a Distant Drum" and "Harper 2.0"), and introduces the Magog/Spirit of the Abyss plot and a shift to a more ensemble-based set up. The cheese also shifts from embarrassing to self-aware and fun. This was unfortunately undone shortly after "Ouroboros."

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* InformedAttribute: The Magog are treated as the most terrifying race in the universe. When they actually appear onscreen, they... don't quite live up to the hype. Not only are they very obviously [[SpecialEffectsFailure people lumbering awkwardly in animal suits]], but they get shot down as easily as Storm Troopers when a swarm is attacking a small group of heroes, and have some cringe-worthy dialogue like "Leader... not want food?" that seems more fitting for a show aimed at very young children than a sci-fi drama. It's probably not a conicodince that the Magog were replaced by other villains in later seasons, and when they did crop up, were rarely actually shown outside their attacking ships.
* GrowingTheBeard: The series' lighting, make-up, costuming, and writing improves after the first mid-season break (beginning with "Music of a Distant Drum" and "Harper 2.0"), and introduces the Magog/Spirit of the Abyss plot and a shift to a more ensemble-based set up. The cheese also shifts from embarrassing to self-aware and fun. This Many fans believe this was unfortunately undone shortly after "Ouroboros.""Ouroboros," while others feel that episode was when the show truly Grew the Beard.



* {{Narm}}: Undeniably part of the entire show. Especially in the early seasons. For fans it's often NarmCharm.



* SeasonalRot: Most hard core fans tend to think that Andromeda ended at "Ouroboros", the last episode made with Robert Hewitt Wolfe in charge (halfway through the second season). Before the show become all about Dylan and the seasonal plot arcs were dropped. After the series ended, Wolfe produced a short story called "Coda" that ignored everything after "Ouroboros" and told his plan.

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* SeasonalRot: Most hard core fans tend to think that Andromeda ended at "Ouroboros", the last episode made with Robert Hewitt Wolfe in charge (halfway through the second season). Before the show become all about Dylan and the seasonal plot arcs were dropped. After the series ended, Wolfe produced a short story called "Coda" that ignored everything after "Ouroboros" and told his plan.plan.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: The Magog are meant to be the most terrifying race in the universe, but when shown onscreen... suspension of disbelief may take more than a bit of effort.
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