History YMMV / AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder

26th May '17 7:32:37 AM NightShade96
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* MemeticMutation: Several lines in the series, as well as the series itself:

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Several lines in the series, as well as the series itself:



* StealthParody: Some people speculate the comic is intended as this. Though debatable, once you read the comic it is possible to see where they're coming from. Everything is so over the top, edgy, dark, etc. that it's kind of hard to take seriously. The fact that Frank Miller has proven long ago [[ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns that he can write the caped crusader very well]] also leads people to think he was trying to write a parody. The fact that he's also written stuff like ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' just blurs things further.

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* StealthParody: Some people speculate the comic is intended as this. Though debatable, once you read the comic it is possible to see where they're coming from. Everything is so over the top, edgy, dark, etc. that it's kind of hard to take seriously. The fact that Frank Miller has proven long ago [[ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns [[ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns that he can write the caped crusader very well]] also leads people to think he was trying to write a parody. The fact that he's also written stuff like ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' just blurs things further.
11th Apr '17 7:20:12 PM HotelCalifornia
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** As [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] pointed out, Creator/FrankMiller once said he considered Batman the most pure and good of all DC superheroes. Fast forward to this comic and suddenly we have the Goddamn Batman [[SlasherSmile smirking gleefully]] as he slams the Batmobile into cops, abducts Dick Grayson, [[RunningGag Age Twelve]], and generally runs around acting so brutally out of character that Linkara dubs him "Crazy Steve" because even "Batman In Name Only" is still ''too much'' like Batman.



** As [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] pointed out, Creator/FrankMiller once said he considered Batman the most pure and good of all DC superheroes. Fast forward to this comic and suddenly we have the Goddamn Batman [[SlasherSmile smirking gleefully]] as he slams the Batmobile into cops, abducts Dick Grayson, [[RunningGag Age Twelve]], and generally runs around acting so brutally out of character that Linkara dubs him "Crazy Steve" because even "Batman In Name Only" is still ''too much'' like Batman.
2nd Apr '17 7:01:07 AM NightShade96
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It's entirely possible that the Batman we're seeing on page is not in fact the real Batman. [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Some have theorized that he's actually a crazy hobo named Steve who found a Batman costume and won the lottery, becoming inspired to be Batman.]]

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It's entirely possible that the Batman we're seeing on page is not in fact the real Batman. [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Some have theorized that he's actually a crazy hobo named Steve who found a Batman costume and won the lottery, becoming inspired to be Batman.]]



** Neo-Nazi woman with swastika pasties standing guard outside a motel door. It's ''supposed'' to be a ContinuityNod to an extra that appeared in ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' butů Yeah, it's just too weird to work.

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** Neo-Nazi woman with swastika pasties standing guard outside a motel door. It's ''supposed'' to be a ContinuityNod to an extra that appeared in ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' butů Yeah, yeah, it's just too weird to work.



** Hal Jordan, for calling out Batman on his terrible treatment of Dick Grayson, age twelve, and being pretty much the only hero that doesn't do or say anything stupid or offensive. Ironic given Frank's opinion of him.

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** Hal Jordan, for calling out Batman on his terrible treatment of Dick Grayson, age twelve, and being pretty much the only hero that doesn't do or say anything stupid or offensive. Ironic offensive, which is ironic, given Frank's opinion of him.



* HarsherInHindsight: The 1994 ''Batman/Spawn''[[note]]also written by Frank Miller[[/note]] crossover had Batman riled up at Spawn's lethal methods, vexing him to the point where he chucked a batarang in Spawn's face when Spawn asked to shake hands. At the time it was understandable; in ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' and ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' he never used lethal force. After his child abusing, cop-killing antics in ''All Star Batman'' his attitude towards Spawn killing seems flat out hypocritical. However, it's completely in line with Miller, as Spawn ''asks'' Batman why ''not'' kill her - and Batman can't think of anything. FacePalm.

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The 1994 ''Batman/Spawn''[[note]]also written by Frank Miller[[/note]] crossover had Batman riled up at Spawn's lethal methods, vexing him to the point where he chucked a batarang in Spawn's face when Spawn asked to shake hands. At the time it was understandable; in ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' and ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' he never used lethal force. After his child abusing, cop-killing antics in ''All Star Batman'' his attitude towards Spawn killing seems flat out hypocritical. However, it's completely in line with Miller, as Spawn ''asks'' Batman why ''not'' kill her - and Batman can't think of anything. FacePalm.



-->'''Robin''': [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga It's like [Batman's] doing some lameass Clint Eastwood impersonation.]]
** The love scene between Batman and Black Canary also count. In the story, they make out while keeping their masks on. The scene might be Squick, sexy, or even outright funny to some people. Fast forward three years later, Batman and Catwoman have SEX with their masks on. The scene is [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/3372244.html?#cutid1 here]] if you want to check it out (NSFW)

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-->'''Robin''': [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga [[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy It's like [Batman's] doing some lameass Clint Eastwood impersonation.]]
** The love scene between Batman and Black Canary also count. In the story, they make out while keeping their masks on. The scene might be Squick, {{Squick}}, sexy, or even outright funny to some people. Fast forward three years later, Batman and Catwoman have SEX with their masks on. The scene is [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/3372244.html?#cutid1 here]] if you want to check it out (NSFW)



** As [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] pointed out, Creator/FrankMiller once said he considered Batman the most pure and good of all DC superheroes. Fast forward to this comic and suddenly we have the Goddamn Batman [[SlasherSmile smirking gleefully]] as he slams the Batmobile into cops, abducts Dick Grayson, [[RunningGag Age Twelve]], and generally runs around acting so brutally out of character Linkara dubs him 'Crazy Steve' because even Batman In Name Only is still ''too much'' like Batman.

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** As [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] pointed out, Creator/FrankMiller once said he considered Batman the most pure and good of all DC superheroes. Fast forward to this comic and suddenly we have the Goddamn Batman [[SlasherSmile smirking gleefully]] as he slams the Batmobile into cops, abducts Dick Grayson, [[RunningGag Age Twelve]], and generally runs around acting so brutally out of character that Linkara dubs him 'Crazy Steve' "Crazy Steve" because even Batman "Batman In Name Only Only" is still ''too much'' like Batman.



*** This is acknowledged in the comic itself. Dick mentions how Batman taught him that a hood would limit his line of sight. But Damian proves that, having been trained from a far younger age than Dick, he can fight perfectly fine with the hood.

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*** This is acknowledged in the comic itself. Dick mentions how Batman taught him that a hood would limit his line of sight. But sight, but Damian proves that, having been trained from a far younger age than Dick, he can fight perfectly fine with the hood.



* MemeticMutation: Several lines in the series, as well as the series itself.

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* MemeticMutation: Several lines in the series, as well as the series itself.itself:



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: This series was part of DC's [[ComicBook/AllStarDCComics All-Star line of comics]], which was meant to encapsulate everything good about specific DC characters and their mythology. This comic failed spectacularly at it, ''especially'' compared to ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman''.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: This series was part of DC's [[ComicBook/AllStarDCComics All-Star line of comics]], which was meant to encapsulate everything good about specific DC characters and their mythology. This comic failed spectacularly at it, ''especially'' when compared to ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman''.
19th Jan '17 8:32:55 PM Tyjohnson616
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* DesignatedHero: Batman. He's psychotic, unstable, and an-all round {{Jerkass}}. He kidnaps the twelve year old Dick Grayson, age twelve, after saving him from {{DirtyCop}}s that were about to kill the boy. Though that doesn't excuse how he forces Grayson to live in the Batcave alone (and expects him to hunt the rats and bats in there for food), and then complains about having Dick around and physically assaults him. He goes out on patrol laughing about how awesome he is as he gleefully poisons criminals, sets them on fire, and attacks a lot of police officers(who are possibly dirty but never clarified if they are); while it isn't outright stated, FridgeHorror implies many of them don't survive their encounters. And he thinks that if he had a power ring like Green Lantern, he would use it to enforce his will on the world and exile Superman from Earth. For some reason, readers are supposed to like him.

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* DesignatedHero: Batman. He's psychotic, unstable, and an-all round {{Jerkass}}. He kidnaps the twelve year old Dick Grayson, age twelve, after saving him from {{DirtyCop}}s DirtyCops that were about to kill the boy. Though that doesn't excuse how he forces Grayson to live in the Batcave alone (and expects him to hunt the rats and bats in there for food), and then complains about having Dick around and physically assaults him. He goes out on patrol laughing about how awesome he is as he gleefully poisons criminals, sets them on fire, and attacks a lot of police officers(who are possibly dirty but never clarified if they are); while it isn't outright stated, FridgeHorror implies many of them don't survive their encounters. And he thinks that if he had a power ring like Green Lantern, he would use it to enforce his will on the world and exile Superman from Earth. For some reason, readers are supposed to like him.
19th Jan '17 8:32:07 PM Tyjohnson616
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* DesignatedHero: Batman. He's psychotic, unstable, and an-all round {{Jerkass}}. He kidnaps the twelve year old Dick Grayson, age twelve, forces him to live in the Batcave alone (and expects him to hunt the rats and bats in there for food), and then complains about having him around and physically assaults him. He goes out on patrol laughing about how awesome he is as he gleefully poisons criminals, sets them on fire, and attacks police officers; while it isn't outright stated, FridgeHorror implies many of them don't survive. And he thinks that if he had a power ring like Green Lantern, he would use it to enforce his will on the world and exile Superman from Earth. For some reason, readers are supposed to like him.

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* DesignatedHero: Batman. He's psychotic, unstable, and an-all round {{Jerkass}}. He kidnaps the twelve year old Dick Grayson, age twelve, after saving him from {{DirtyCop}}s that were about to kill the boy. Though that doesn't excuse how he forces him Grayson to live in the Batcave alone (and expects him to hunt the rats and bats in there for food), and then complains about having him Dick around and physically assaults him. He goes out on patrol laughing about how awesome he is as he gleefully poisons criminals, sets them on fire, and attacks a lot of police officers; officers(who are possibly dirty but never clarified if they are); while it isn't outright stated, FridgeHorror implies many of them don't survive.survive their encounters. And he thinks that if he had a power ring like Green Lantern, he would use it to enforce his will on the world and exile Superman from Earth. For some reason, readers are supposed to like him.
18th Jan '17 4:44:24 AM DrakeClawfang
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** This is lessened in full context when you remember the sequence with rescuing Grayson. Some of the policemen on duty were actually corrupt and trying to kill Grayson out right. Batman, didn't know which ones were in on it but took Grayson away from several policemen who were actually going to attempt the act. And while Batman was cruel and ruthless about his treatment of Grayson and his casualness about killing, he mainly attacked criminals through out the story.
17th Jan '17 8:55:28 PM Tyjohnson616
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** This is lessened in full context when you remember the sequence with rescuing Grayson. Some of the policemen on duty were actually corrupt and trying to kill Grayson out right. Batman, didn't know which ones were in on it but took Grayson away from several policemen who were actually going to attempt the act. And while Batman was cruel and ruthless about his treatment of Grayson and his casualness about killing, he mainly attacked criminals through out the story.
10th Dec '16 8:02:16 AM PrincessGwen
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* StealthParody: Some people speculate the comic is intended as this. Though debatable, once you read the comic it is possible to see where they're coming from. Everything is so over the top, edgy, dark, etc. that it's kind of hard to take seriously. The fact that Frank Miller has proven long ago [[ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns that he can write the caped crusader very well]] also leads people to think he was trying to write a parody. The fact that he's also wrote stuff like ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' just blurs things further.

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* StealthParody: Some people speculate the comic is intended as this. Though debatable, once you read the comic it is possible to see where they're coming from. Everything is so over the top, edgy, dark, etc. that it's kind of hard to take seriously. The fact that Frank Miller has proven long ago [[ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns that he can write the caped crusader very well]] also leads people to think he was trying to write a parody. The fact that he's also wrote written stuff like ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' just blurs things further.
17th Oct '16 10:48:32 PM ImSpidey2
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* NoYay: "I touched my mother's breast. It bled on me."
28th Aug '16 7:45:40 PM MCanter89
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** Similarly Wonder Woman's insanely out-of-character behavior has caused some to declare that she's actually [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall a deranged mental patient named Bonkers Betty who's stolen a Wonder Woman costume from a convention and is impersonating her.]]

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** Similarly Similarly, Wonder Woman's insanely out-of-character behavior has caused some to declare that she's actually [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall a deranged mental patient named Bonkers Betty who's stolen a Wonder Woman costume from a convention and is impersonating her.]]her]].



** Neo-Nazi woman with swastika pasties standing guard outside a motel door. It's ''supposed'' to be a ContinuityNod to an extra that appeared in ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' but ... Yeah, it's just too weird to work.

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** Neo-Nazi woman with swastika pasties standing guard outside a motel door. It's ''supposed'' to be a ContinuityNod to an extra that appeared in ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' but ... butů Yeah, it's just too weird to work.



-->'''Robin''': [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga "It's like [Batman's] doing some lameass Clint Eastwood impersonation."]]

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-->'''Robin''': [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga "It's It's like [Batman's] doing some lameass Clint Eastwood impersonation."]]]]
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