History YMMV / AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder

6th Jul '17 9:33:22 PM DrakeClawfang
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* IdiotPlot: A lot of the story would be over fast if Superman or Green Lantern didn't act like morons.

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* IdiotPlot: A lot IdiotPlot: The Justice League strongly disapproves of the story would be over fast if Superman or Batman's methods, and Wonder Woman openly wants to kill him, but all they do is send Green Lantern didn't act like morons.to deal with him. Said "dealing" takes the form of basically a stern talking to and a finger wag. This despite the fact that any ''one'' of the League's members should easily be able to apprehend Batman on their own, nevermind four-on-one.
6th Jul '17 9:26:48 PM DrakeClawfang
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* DesignatedHero: The Goddamn Batman. He's psychotic, unstable, and an-all round {{Jerkass}}. He kidnaps the twelve year old Dick Grayson, age twelve, after saving him from DirtyCops that were about to kill the boy. Though that doesn't excuse how he forces Grayson to live in the Batcave alone (and expects him to hunt the rats and bats in there for food), and then complains about having Dick around and physically assaults him. He goes out on patrol laughing about how awesome he is as he gleefully poisons criminals, sets them on fire, and attacks a lot of police officers(who are possibly dirty but never clarified if they are); while it isn't outright stated, FridgeHorror implies many of them don't survive their encounters. And he thinks that if he had a power ring like Green Lantern, he would use it to enforce his will on the world and exile Superman from Earth. For some reason, readers are supposed to like him.

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* DesignatedHero: The Goddamn Batman. He's psychotic, unstable, and an-all round {{Jerkass}}. He kidnaps the twelve year old Dick Grayson, age twelve, after saving him from DirtyCops that were about to kill the boy. Though that doesn't excuse how he forces Grayson to live in the Batcave alone (and expects him to hunt the rats and bats in there for food), and then complains about having Dick around and physically assaults him. He goes out on patrol laughing about how awesome he is as he gleefully poisons criminals, sets them on fire, and attacks a lot of police officers(who are possibly dirty but never clarified if they are); officers who may or may not be corrupted; while it isn't outright stated, FridgeHorror implies many of them the victims of these incidents don't survive their encounters.the encounter. And he thinks that if he had a power ring like Green Lantern, he would use it to enforce his will on the world and exile Superman from Earth. For some reason, readers are supposed to like him.
6th Jul '17 8:22:27 PM shonengirl
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: When both your protagonists are at best sociopathic jerks without sincere empathy for other human beings, it's hard to feel genuine sympathy.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: When both your protagonists so many characters, including and especially the main protagonist are at best sociopathic jerks without sincere empathy for other human beings, it's hard to feel genuine sympathy.
6th Jul '17 8:15:06 PM shonengirl
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** Hal Jordan, for calling out Batman on his terrible treatment of Dick Grayson, age twelve, and being pretty much the only hero that doesn't do or say anything stupid or offensive, which is ironic, given Frank's opinion of him.

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** Hal Jordan, for calling out Batman on his terrible treatment of Dick Grayson, age twelve, and being pretty much the only hero that doesn't do or say anything stupid horrible or offensive, which is ironic, given Frank's opinion of him.him.
4th Jun '17 6:25:53 PM Drope
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* DesignatedHero: Batman. He's psychotic, unstable, and an-all round {{Jerkass}}. He kidnaps the twelve year old Dick Grayson, age twelve, after saving him from DirtyCops that were about to kill the boy. Though that doesn't excuse how he forces Grayson to live in the Batcave alone (and expects him to hunt the rats and bats in there for food), and then complains about having Dick around and physically assaults him. He goes out on patrol laughing about how awesome he is as he gleefully poisons criminals, sets them on fire, and attacks a lot of police officers(who are possibly dirty but never clarified if they are); while it isn't outright stated, FridgeHorror implies many of them don't survive their encounters. And he thinks that if he had a power ring like Green Lantern, he would use it to enforce his will on the world and exile Superman from Earth. For some reason, readers are supposed to like him.

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* DesignatedHero: The Goddamn Batman. He's psychotic, unstable, and an-all round {{Jerkass}}. He kidnaps the twelve year old Dick Grayson, age twelve, after saving him from DirtyCops that were about to kill the boy. Though that doesn't excuse how he forces Grayson to live in the Batcave alone (and expects him to hunt the rats and bats in there for food), and then complains about having Dick around and physically assaults him. He goes out on patrol laughing about how awesome he is as he gleefully poisons criminals, sets them on fire, and attacks a lot of police officers(who are possibly dirty but never clarified if they are); while it isn't outright stated, FridgeHorror implies many of them don't survive their encounters. And he thinks that if he had a power ring like Green Lantern, he would use it to enforce his will on the world and exile Superman from Earth. For some reason, readers are supposed to like him.
26th May '17 7:32:37 AM NightShade96
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* MemeticMutation: Several lines in the series, as well as the series itself:

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* MemeticMutation: MemeticMutation:
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Several lines in the series, as well as the series itself:



* StealthParody: Some people speculate the comic is intended as this. Though debatable, once you read the comic it is possible to see where they're coming from. Everything is so over the top, edgy, dark, etc. that it's kind of hard to take seriously. The fact that Frank Miller has proven long ago [[ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns that he can write the caped crusader very well]] also leads people to think he was trying to write a parody. The fact that he's also written stuff like ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' just blurs things further.

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* StealthParody: Some people speculate the comic is intended as this. Though debatable, once you read the comic it is possible to see where they're coming from. Everything is so over the top, edgy, dark, etc. that it's kind of hard to take seriously. The fact that Frank Miller has proven long ago [[ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns [[ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns that he can write the caped crusader very well]] also leads people to think he was trying to write a parody. The fact that he's also written stuff like ''ComicBook/HolyTerror'' just blurs things further.
11th Apr '17 7:20:12 PM HotelCalifornia
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** As [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] pointed out, Creator/FrankMiller once said he considered Batman the most pure and good of all DC superheroes. Fast forward to this comic and suddenly we have the Goddamn Batman [[SlasherSmile smirking gleefully]] as he slams the Batmobile into cops, abducts Dick Grayson, [[RunningGag Age Twelve]], and generally runs around acting so brutally out of character that Linkara dubs him "Crazy Steve" because even "Batman In Name Only" is still ''too much'' like Batman.



** As [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] pointed out, Creator/FrankMiller once said he considered Batman the most pure and good of all DC superheroes. Fast forward to this comic and suddenly we have the Goddamn Batman [[SlasherSmile smirking gleefully]] as he slams the Batmobile into cops, abducts Dick Grayson, [[RunningGag Age Twelve]], and generally runs around acting so brutally out of character that Linkara dubs him "Crazy Steve" because even "Batman In Name Only" is still ''too much'' like Batman.
2nd Apr '17 7:01:07 AM NightShade96
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It's entirely possible that the Batman we're seeing on page is not in fact the real Batman. [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Some have theorized that he's actually a crazy hobo named Steve who found a Batman costume and won the lottery, becoming inspired to be Batman.]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
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It's entirely possible that the Batman we're seeing on page is not in fact the real Batman. [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Some have theorized that he's actually a crazy hobo named Steve who found a Batman costume and won the lottery, becoming inspired to be Batman.]]



** Neo-Nazi woman with swastika pasties standing guard outside a motel door. It's ''supposed'' to be a ContinuityNod to an extra that appeared in ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' butů Yeah, it's just too weird to work.

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** Neo-Nazi woman with swastika pasties standing guard outside a motel door. It's ''supposed'' to be a ContinuityNod to an extra that appeared in ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' butů Yeah, yeah, it's just too weird to work.



** Hal Jordan, for calling out Batman on his terrible treatment of Dick Grayson, age twelve, and being pretty much the only hero that doesn't do or say anything stupid or offensive. Ironic given Frank's opinion of him.

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** Hal Jordan, for calling out Batman on his terrible treatment of Dick Grayson, age twelve, and being pretty much the only hero that doesn't do or say anything stupid or offensive. Ironic offensive, which is ironic, given Frank's opinion of him.



* HarsherInHindsight: The 1994 ''Batman/Spawn''[[note]]also written by Frank Miller[[/note]] crossover had Batman riled up at Spawn's lethal methods, vexing him to the point where he chucked a batarang in Spawn's face when Spawn asked to shake hands. At the time it was understandable; in ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' and ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' he never used lethal force. After his child abusing, cop-killing antics in ''All Star Batman'' his attitude towards Spawn killing seems flat out hypocritical. However, it's completely in line with Miller, as Spawn ''asks'' Batman why ''not'' kill her - and Batman can't think of anything. FacePalm.

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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The 1994 ''Batman/Spawn''[[note]]also written by Frank Miller[[/note]] crossover had Batman riled up at Spawn's lethal methods, vexing him to the point where he chucked a batarang in Spawn's face when Spawn asked to shake hands. At the time it was understandable; in ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' and ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'' he never used lethal force. After his child abusing, cop-killing antics in ''All Star Batman'' his attitude towards Spawn killing seems flat out hypocritical. However, it's completely in line with Miller, as Spawn ''asks'' Batman why ''not'' kill her - and Batman can't think of anything. FacePalm.



-->'''Robin''': [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga It's like [Batman's] doing some lameass Clint Eastwood impersonation.]]
** The love scene between Batman and Black Canary also count. In the story, they make out while keeping their masks on. The scene might be Squick, sexy, or even outright funny to some people. Fast forward three years later, Batman and Catwoman have SEX with their masks on. The scene is [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/3372244.html?#cutid1 here]] if you want to check it out (NSFW)

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** This line:
-->'''Robin''': [[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga [[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy It's like [Batman's] doing some lameass Clint Eastwood impersonation.]]
** The love scene between Batman and Black Canary also count. In the story, they make out while keeping their masks on. The scene might be Squick, {{Squick}}, sexy, or even outright funny to some people. Fast forward three years later, Batman and Catwoman have SEX with their masks on. The scene is [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/3372244.html?#cutid1 here]] if you want to check it out (NSFW)



** As [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] pointed out, Creator/FrankMiller once said he considered Batman the most pure and good of all DC superheroes. Fast forward to this comic and suddenly we have the Goddamn Batman [[SlasherSmile smirking gleefully]] as he slams the Batmobile into cops, abducts Dick Grayson, [[RunningGag Age Twelve]], and generally runs around acting so brutally out of character Linkara dubs him 'Crazy Steve' because even Batman In Name Only is still ''too much'' like Batman.

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** As [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] pointed out, Creator/FrankMiller once said he considered Batman the most pure and good of all DC superheroes. Fast forward to this comic and suddenly we have the Goddamn Batman [[SlasherSmile smirking gleefully]] as he slams the Batmobile into cops, abducts Dick Grayson, [[RunningGag Age Twelve]], and generally runs around acting so brutally out of character that Linkara dubs him 'Crazy Steve' "Crazy Steve" because even Batman "Batman In Name Only Only" is still ''too much'' like Batman.



*** This is acknowledged in the comic itself. Dick mentions how Batman taught him that a hood would limit his line of sight. But Damian proves that, having been trained from a far younger age than Dick, he can fight perfectly fine with the hood.

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*** This is acknowledged in the comic itself. Dick mentions how Batman taught him that a hood would limit his line of sight. But sight, but Damian proves that, having been trained from a far younger age than Dick, he can fight perfectly fine with the hood.



* MemeticMutation: Several lines in the series, as well as the series itself.

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* MemeticMutation: Several lines in the series, as well as the series itself.itself:



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: This series was part of DC's [[ComicBook/AllStarDCComics All-Star line of comics]], which was meant to encapsulate everything good about specific DC characters and their mythology. This comic failed spectacularly at it, ''especially'' compared to ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman''.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: This series was part of DC's [[ComicBook/AllStarDCComics All-Star line of comics]], which was meant to encapsulate everything good about specific DC characters and their mythology. This comic failed spectacularly at it, ''especially'' when compared to ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman''.
19th Jan '17 8:32:55 PM Tyjohnson616
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* DesignatedHero: Batman. He's psychotic, unstable, and an-all round {{Jerkass}}. He kidnaps the twelve year old Dick Grayson, age twelve, after saving him from {{DirtyCop}}s that were about to kill the boy. Though that doesn't excuse how he forces Grayson to live in the Batcave alone (and expects him to hunt the rats and bats in there for food), and then complains about having Dick around and physically assaults him. He goes out on patrol laughing about how awesome he is as he gleefully poisons criminals, sets them on fire, and attacks a lot of police officers(who are possibly dirty but never clarified if they are); while it isn't outright stated, FridgeHorror implies many of them don't survive their encounters. And he thinks that if he had a power ring like Green Lantern, he would use it to enforce his will on the world and exile Superman from Earth. For some reason, readers are supposed to like him.

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* DesignatedHero: Batman. He's psychotic, unstable, and an-all round {{Jerkass}}. He kidnaps the twelve year old Dick Grayson, age twelve, after saving him from {{DirtyCop}}s DirtyCops that were about to kill the boy. Though that doesn't excuse how he forces Grayson to live in the Batcave alone (and expects him to hunt the rats and bats in there for food), and then complains about having Dick around and physically assaults him. He goes out on patrol laughing about how awesome he is as he gleefully poisons criminals, sets them on fire, and attacks a lot of police officers(who are possibly dirty but never clarified if they are); while it isn't outright stated, FridgeHorror implies many of them don't survive their encounters. And he thinks that if he had a power ring like Green Lantern, he would use it to enforce his will on the world and exile Superman from Earth. For some reason, readers are supposed to like him.
19th Jan '17 8:32:07 PM Tyjohnson616
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* DesignatedHero: Batman. He's psychotic, unstable, and an-all round {{Jerkass}}. He kidnaps the twelve year old Dick Grayson, age twelve, forces him to live in the Batcave alone (and expects him to hunt the rats and bats in there for food), and then complains about having him around and physically assaults him. He goes out on patrol laughing about how awesome he is as he gleefully poisons criminals, sets them on fire, and attacks police officers; while it isn't outright stated, FridgeHorror implies many of them don't survive. And he thinks that if he had a power ring like Green Lantern, he would use it to enforce his will on the world and exile Superman from Earth. For some reason, readers are supposed to like him.

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* DesignatedHero: Batman. He's psychotic, unstable, and an-all round {{Jerkass}}. He kidnaps the twelve year old Dick Grayson, age twelve, after saving him from {{DirtyCop}}s that were about to kill the boy. Though that doesn't excuse how he forces him Grayson to live in the Batcave alone (and expects him to hunt the rats and bats in there for food), and then complains about having him Dick around and physically assaults him. He goes out on patrol laughing about how awesome he is as he gleefully poisons criminals, sets them on fire, and attacks a lot of police officers; officers(who are possibly dirty but never clarified if they are); while it isn't outright stated, FridgeHorror implies many of them don't survive.survive their encounters. And he thinks that if he had a power ring like Green Lantern, he would use it to enforce his will on the world and exile Superman from Earth. For some reason, readers are supposed to like him.
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