History YMMV / AlbertoDelRio

12th Feb '17 8:13:00 PM overman2099
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* CriticalDissonance: WWE audiences tend to be apathetic towards anything Alberto does in the ring and the IWC tends to be much more critical of him, both as a performer and a person. However, whenever Alberto is involved in the independent scene like with LuchaUnderground or WCPW, he's massively over with the fans and able to fire up the crowd like he's the second coming of Daniel Bryan.
1st Feb '17 7:45:18 AM SomeoneElse17
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** EthnicScrappy: It's widely believed that Del Rio's continued (over)exposure at the top of the card stems from WWE's perceived need to have a Hispanic star due to an injury-prone Wrestling/ReyMysterio approaching the end of his career, as well as the mostly failed Wrestling/SinCara experiment. To make matters worse, a fair bit of this fanbase was built on the career of one Wrestling/EddieGuerrero, who, of course, had much, ''much'' more charisma than Del Rio does. El Patrón is a great subversion, however, as he has the combination of that fanbase, the lucha promotion fanbase he previously knew as Dos Caras Jr., and the fanbase that likes seeing WWE get called to task when perceived to be vile or incompetent—as well as, again, much more charisma than Del Rio does.

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** EthnicScrappy: It's widely believed that Del Rio's continued (over)exposure at the top of the card stems from WWE's perceived need to have a Hispanic star due to an injury-prone Wrestling/ReyMysterio approaching the end of his career, as well as the mostly failed Wrestling/SinCara experiment. To make matters worse, a fair bit of this fanbase was built on the career of one Wrestling/EddieGuerrero, who, of course, had much, ''much'' more charisma than Del Rio does. El Patrón is a great subversion, however, as he has the combination of that fanbase, the lucha promotion libre fanbase he previously knew as Dos Caras Jr., and the fanbase that likes seeing WWE get called to task when perceived to be vile or incompetent—as well as, again, much more charisma than Del Rio does.
1st Feb '17 7:44:28 AM SomeoneElse17
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* TheScrappy: The IWC doesn't like him very much. Detractors think he's an uncharismatic CreatorsPet with a [[FollowTheLeader derivative]] gimmick (granted, the second part of this is probably true to some extent). He actually was well-liked upon his debut. His two reigns with the WWE title led to his IWC favoritism dropping precipitously, particularly given that he was running up against Wrestling/CMPunk at the height of Punk's popularity and his own character had devolved into constantly talking about [[BecauseDestinySaysSo his destiny to be champion]].
** EthnicScrappy: It's widely believed that Del Rio's continued (over)exposure at the top of the card stems from WWE's perceived need to have a Hispanic star due to an injury-prone Wrestling/ReyMysterio approaching the end of his career, as well as the mostly failed Wrestling/SinCara experiment. To make matters worse, a fair bit of this fanbase was built on the career of one Wrestling/EddieGuerrero, who, of course, had much, ''much'' more charisma than Del Rio does.

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* TheScrappy: The IWC doesn't like him very much. Detractors think he's an uncharismatic CreatorsPet with a [[FollowTheLeader derivative]] gimmick (granted, the second part of this is probably true to some extent). He actually was well-liked upon his debut. His two reigns with the WWE title led to his IWC favoritism dropping precipitously, particularly given that he was running up against Wrestling/CMPunk at the height of Punk's popularity and his own character had devolved into constantly talking about [[BecauseDestinySaysSo his destiny to be champion]].
champion]]. To be fair, this is only true in so far as his WWE run(s); he's fairly popular on the independent circuit and basically a national hero in Mexico, both of which it's been said—and he would agree—that he has a lot more fun in.
** EthnicScrappy: It's widely believed that Del Rio's continued (over)exposure at the top of the card stems from WWE's perceived need to have a Hispanic star due to an injury-prone Wrestling/ReyMysterio approaching the end of his career, as well as the mostly failed Wrestling/SinCara experiment. To make matters worse, a fair bit of this fanbase was built on the career of one Wrestling/EddieGuerrero, who, of course, had much, ''much'' more charisma than Del Rio does. El Patrón is a great subversion, however, as he has the combination of that fanbase, the lucha promotion fanbase he previously knew as Dos Caras Jr., and the fanbase that likes seeing WWE get called to task when perceived to be vile or incompetent—as well as, again, much more charisma than Del Rio does.
23rd Jan '17 7:18:23 AM SomeoneElse17
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** Given the above points as well as the InternetBackdraft factory that is Alberto's relationship with Paige, the difference in how he is viewed can almost be broken down to the simple question of whether one is a more-or-less WWE purist or a wrestling fan who pays some attention to other products.

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** Given the above points as well as the InternetBackdraft factory that is Alberto's relationship with Paige, the difference in how he is viewed can almost be broken down to the simple question of whether one is a more-or-less WWE purist or a wrestling fan who pays some has paid attention to other products.wrestling products involving him.
23rd Jan '17 7:17:29 AM SomeoneElse17
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** Given the above points as well as the InternetBackdraft factory that is Alberto's relationship with Paige, the difference in how he is viewed can almost be broken down to the simple question of whether one is a more-or-less WWE purist or a wrestling fan who pays some attention to other products.
13th Jan '17 11:40:05 PM SomeoneElse17
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** His relationship with Paige. ''Oh boy'', his relationship with Paige. Everything about that relationship says that if they're not absolutely perfect for each other the way they think they are, they will both give each other hell. Alberto is a near-40-year-old man at the twilight of his career whose WWE experience was mutually miserable (for both himself and the company), and if both he and his wife's statements are to be believed, checked out of an abusive marriage to the mother of his three kids before he returned to WWE and then proceeded to get involved with two women on the roster before the divorce was even finalized (hint: it's still ongoing). The second woman being Paige, who's fifteen years his junior and has a history of flaking out on relationships, who seems to have already hit her peak as a wrestler and has had her career hampered over the past couple of years by a combination of medical issues and attitude problems backstage, and who's basically pushed the pace of the relationship to the point she proposed to him in front of a live crowd in another company's wrestling ring while she's still under WWE contract—and again, ''his divorce is still ongoing''. She gushes about him on Instagram while he seemingly devotes all his non-business attention to her, and she enjoys hanging out with his kids as well, meaning they're clearly both in love with each other. Yet not only does the latter fact get completely ignored, every aforementioned potential red flag in the relationship is blamed as being Alberto's fault because Paige's fans, who are all caught up in the idea of her as an [[TheUnfairSex icon for female empowerment]] [[HateDumb within the WWE universe]], hold him directly responsible as the millstone around her career even though she keeps talking like she'll get back in the ring and might even steal some of his moves, and would deliberately cast him as some master manipulator so as to push aside ''her very agency as a grown woman who can make and deal with her own choices'' rather than accept that she'd be making a personal sacrifice if she does decide to abandon wrestling to be with him.

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** His relationship with Paige. ''Oh boy'', his relationship with Paige. Everything about that relationship says that if they're not absolutely perfect for each other the way they think they are, they will both give each other hell. Alberto is a near-40-year-old man at the twilight of his career whose WWE experience was mutually miserable (for both himself and the company), and if both he and his wife's statements in court are to be believed, checked out of an abusive marriage to the mother of his three kids months before he returned to WWE and then proceeded to get involved with two women on the roster the following year before the divorce was even finalized (hint: it's still ongoing). The second woman being Paige, who's fifteen years his junior and has a history of flaking out on relationships, who seems to have already hit her peak as a wrestler and has had her career hampered over the past couple of years by a combination of medical issues and attitude problems backstage, and who's basically pushed the pace of the relationship to the point she proposed to him in front of a live crowd in another company's wrestling ring while she's still under WWE contract—and again, ''his divorce is still ongoing''. She gushes about him on Instagram while he seemingly devotes all his non-business attention to her, and she enjoys hanging out with his kids as well, meaning they're clearly both in love with each other. Yet not only does the latter fact get completely ignored, every aforementioned potential red flag in the relationship is blamed as being Alberto's fault because Paige's fans, who are all caught up in the idea of her as an [[TheUnfairSex icon for female empowerment]] [[HateDumb within the WWE universe]], hold him directly responsible as the millstone around her career even though she keeps talking like she'll get back in the ring and might even steal some of his moves, and would deliberately cast him as some master manipulator so as to push aside ''her very agency as a grown woman who can make and deal with her own choices'' rather than accept that she'd be making a personal sacrifice if she does decide to abandon wrestling to be with him.
13th Jan '17 11:38:40 PM SomeoneElse17
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** His relationship with Paige. ''Oh boy'', his relationship with Paige. Everything about that relationships says that if they're not absolutely perfect for each other the way they think they are, they will both give each other hell. Alberto is a near-40-year-old man at the twilight of his career whose WWE experience was mutually miserable (for both himself and the company), and if both he and his wife's statements are to be believed, checked out of an abusive marriage to the mother of his three kids before he returned to WWE and then proceeded to get involved with two women on the roster before the divorce was even finalized (hint: it's still ongoing). The second woman being Paige, who's fifteen years his junior and has a history of flaking out on relationships, who seems to have already hit her peak as a wrestler and has had her career hampered over the past couple of years by a combination of medical issues and attitude problems backstage, and who's basically pushed the pace of the relationship to the point she proposed to him in front of a live crowd in another company's wrestling ring while she's still under WWE contract—and again, ''his divorce is still ongoing''. She gushes about him on Instagram while he seemingly devotes all his non-business attention to her, and she enjoys hanging out with his kids as well, meaning they're clearly both in love with each other. Yet not only does the latter fact get completely ignored, every aforementioned potential red flag in the relationship is blamed as being Alberto's fault because Paige's fans, who are all caught up in the idea of her as an [[TheUnfairSex icon for female empowerment]] [[HateDumb within the WWE universe]], hold him directly responsible as the millstone around her career even though she keeps talking like she'll get back in the ring and might even steal some of his moves, and would deliberately cast him as some master manipulator so as to push aside ''her very agency as a grown woman who can make and deal with her own choices'' rather than accept that she'd be making a personal sacrifice if she does decide to abandon wrestling to be with him.

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** His relationship with Paige. ''Oh boy'', his relationship with Paige. Everything about that relationships relationship says that if they're not absolutely perfect for each other the way they think they are, they will both give each other hell. Alberto is a near-40-year-old man at the twilight of his career whose WWE experience was mutually miserable (for both himself and the company), and if both he and his wife's statements are to be believed, checked out of an abusive marriage to the mother of his three kids before he returned to WWE and then proceeded to get involved with two women on the roster before the divorce was even finalized (hint: it's still ongoing). The second woman being Paige, who's fifteen years his junior and has a history of flaking out on relationships, who seems to have already hit her peak as a wrestler and has had her career hampered over the past couple of years by a combination of medical issues and attitude problems backstage, and who's basically pushed the pace of the relationship to the point she proposed to him in front of a live crowd in another company's wrestling ring while she's still under WWE contract—and again, ''his divorce is still ongoing''. She gushes about him on Instagram while he seemingly devotes all his non-business attention to her, and she enjoys hanging out with his kids as well, meaning they're clearly both in love with each other. Yet not only does the latter fact get completely ignored, every aforementioned potential red flag in the relationship is blamed as being Alberto's fault because Paige's fans, who are all caught up in the idea of her as an [[TheUnfairSex icon for female empowerment]] [[HateDumb within the WWE universe]], hold him directly responsible as the millstone around her career even though she keeps talking like she'll get back in the ring and might even steal some of his moves, and would deliberately cast him as some master manipulator so as to push aside ''her very agency as a grown woman who can make and deal with her own choices'' rather than accept that she'd be making a personal sacrifice if she does decide to abandon wrestling to be with him.
13th Jan '17 11:38:12 PM SomeoneElse17
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** His relationship with Paige. ''Oh boy'', his relationship with Paige. Everything about that relationships says that if they're not absolutely perfect for each other the way they think they are, they will both give each other hell. Alberto is a near-40-year-old man at the twilight of his career whose WWE experience was mutually miserable (for both himself and the company), and if both he and his wife's statements are to be believed, checked out of an abusive marriage to the mother of his three kids before he returned to WWE and then proceeded to get involved with two women on the roster before the divorce was even finalized (hint: it's still ongoing). The second woman being Paige, who's fifteen years his junior and has a history of flaking out on relationships, who seems to have already hit her peak as a wrestler and has had her career hampered over the past couple of years by a combination of medical issues and attitude problems backstage, and who's basically pushed the pace of the relationship to the point she proposed to him in front of a live crowd in another company's wrestling ring while she's still under WWE contract—and again, ''his divorce is still ongoing''. She gushes about him on Instagram while he seemingly devotes all his non-business attention to her, and she enjoys hanging out with his kids as well, meaning they're clearly both in love with each other. Yet not only does the latter fact get completely ignored, every aforementioned potential red flag in the relationship is blamed as being Alberto's fault because Paige's fans, who are all caught up in the idea of her as an [[TheUnfairSex icon for female empowerment]] [[HateDumb within the WWE universe]], hold him directly responsible as the millstone around her career even though she keeps talking like she'll get back in the ring and might even steal some of his moves, and would deliberately cast him as some master manipulator so as to push aside ''her very agency as a grown woman who can make and deal with her own choices'' rather than accept it as her own personal sacrifice if she does decide to abandon wrestling to be with him.

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** His relationship with Paige. ''Oh boy'', his relationship with Paige. Everything about that relationships says that if they're not absolutely perfect for each other the way they think they are, they will both give each other hell. Alberto is a near-40-year-old man at the twilight of his career whose WWE experience was mutually miserable (for both himself and the company), and if both he and his wife's statements are to be believed, checked out of an abusive marriage to the mother of his three kids before he returned to WWE and then proceeded to get involved with two women on the roster before the divorce was even finalized (hint: it's still ongoing). The second woman being Paige, who's fifteen years his junior and has a history of flaking out on relationships, who seems to have already hit her peak as a wrestler and has had her career hampered over the past couple of years by a combination of medical issues and attitude problems backstage, and who's basically pushed the pace of the relationship to the point she proposed to him in front of a live crowd in another company's wrestling ring while she's still under WWE contract—and again, ''his divorce is still ongoing''. She gushes about him on Instagram while he seemingly devotes all his non-business attention to her, and she enjoys hanging out with his kids as well, meaning they're clearly both in love with each other. Yet not only does the latter fact get completely ignored, every aforementioned potential red flag in the relationship is blamed as being Alberto's fault because Paige's fans, who are all caught up in the idea of her as an [[TheUnfairSex icon for female empowerment]] [[HateDumb within the WWE universe]], hold him directly responsible as the millstone around her career even though she keeps talking like she'll get back in the ring and might even steal some of his moves, and would deliberately cast him as some master manipulator so as to push aside ''her very agency as a grown woman who can make and deal with her own choices'' rather than accept it as her own that she'd be making a personal sacrifice if she does decide to abandon wrestling to be with him.
13th Jan '17 11:37:21 PM SomeoneElse17
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* {{Misblamed}}: Given the fact that in his first run in WWE he had an intriguing character concept that was gradually stripped down to bare bones and a tired catchphrase, he gained back major momentum and a more refined personality on the independents and in Mexico after getting fired, and then his second run had him be used as a stock ForeignWrestlingHeel and a glorified {{jobber}} despite getting paid almost main event money, the company's controlled creative environment has quite a bit to do with his inability to get over with fans for more than a few weeks at a time. {{Downplayed|Trope}} as some of the flak he gets for his WWE runs still comes down to him, given several other wrestlers' ability to get and stay over despite unfavorable booking and the fact that he's had a few noticeable off nights of his own in the ring, but it can be said that he absolutely struggles to adapt to the WWE way and still resonate with audiences like he does when he's being more natural.

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Given the fact that in his first run in WWE he had an intriguing character concept that was gradually stripped down to bare bones and a tired catchphrase, he gained back major momentum and a more refined personality on the independents and in Mexico after getting fired, and then his second run had him be used as a stock ForeignWrestlingHeel and a glorified {{jobber}} despite getting paid almost main event money, the company's controlled creative environment has quite a bit to do with his inability to get over with fans for more than a few weeks at a time. {{Downplayed|Trope}} as some of the flak he gets for his WWE runs still comes down to him, given several other wrestlers' ability to get and stay over despite unfavorable booking and the fact that he's had a few noticeable off nights of his own in the ring, but it can be said that he absolutely struggles to adapt to the WWE way and still resonate with audiences like he does when he's being more natural.natural.
** His relationship with Paige. ''Oh boy'', his relationship with Paige. Everything about that relationships says that if they're not absolutely perfect for each other the way they think they are, they will both give each other hell. Alberto is a near-40-year-old man at the twilight of his career whose WWE experience was mutually miserable (for both himself and the company), and if both he and his wife's statements are to be believed, checked out of an abusive marriage to the mother of his three kids before he returned to WWE and then proceeded to get involved with two women on the roster before the divorce was even finalized (hint: it's still ongoing). The second woman being Paige, who's fifteen years his junior and has a history of flaking out on relationships, who seems to have already hit her peak as a wrestler and has had her career hampered over the past couple of years by a combination of medical issues and attitude problems backstage, and who's basically pushed the pace of the relationship to the point she proposed to him in front of a live crowd in another company's wrestling ring while she's still under WWE contract—and again, ''his divorce is still ongoing''. She gushes about him on Instagram while he seemingly devotes all his non-business attention to her, and she enjoys hanging out with his kids as well, meaning they're clearly both in love with each other. Yet not only does the latter fact get completely ignored, every aforementioned potential red flag in the relationship is blamed as being Alberto's fault because Paige's fans, who are all caught up in the idea of her as an [[TheUnfairSex icon for female empowerment]] [[HateDumb within the WWE universe]], hold him directly responsible as the millstone around her career even though she keeps talking like she'll get back in the ring and might even steal some of his moves, and would deliberately cast him as some master manipulator so as to push aside ''her very agency as a grown woman who can make and deal with her own choices'' rather than accept it as her own personal sacrifice if she does decide to abandon wrestling to be with him.
28th Dec '16 4:54:23 PM overman2099
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* SoOkayItsAverage: This is how some fans, particularly smarks, feel about his in-ring style. In their view, there's nothing wrong with his wrestling style on a purely technical level and they'll even concede that Alberto has a move or two that looks pretty good. But in the same token, even if they do find him technically sound, his detractors still feel that Alberto's wrestling abilities are very much unspectacular and put together in a way that doesn't really set the world on fire.

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* SoOkayItsAverage: This is how some fans, particularly smarks, feel about his in-ring style. In their view, there's nothing wrong with his wrestling style on a purely technical level and they'll even concede that Alberto has a move or two that looks pretty good. But in the same token, even if they do find him technically sound, his detractors still feel that Alberto's wrestling abilities matches are very much unspectacular and put together in a way that doesn't really set the world on fire.
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