History YMMV / AgarestSenki

5th Nov '17 11:32:09 AM mizorefan
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!!Agarest Senki

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!!Agarest Senki* AntiClimaxBoss: For a god of war, Mayastia sure is pretty easy to defeat.



* BaseBreakingCharacter: Several characters, most notably Ellis and Vashtor.
** Rex.
** Duran. You either love him for [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne his gritty, realistic look on the harshness of his situation]] and CharacterDevelopment, or hate him for being a whiny {{Jerkass}} before said development kicks in.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: The voting system is up as to who people want to bring back in Agarest 2 and [[http://www.compileheart.com/agarest_2nd/vote/result/3/index.html Leonhardt is number 1 and Valeria at number 3]].

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The voting system DemonicSpiders:
** Golden Bats. They are very fast, have high evasion, Parry, nullify Earth skills (thanks to float) and absorb Light skills. Not only combination attacks like Axel Wave and Execution will miss a lot of hits, but they will evade powerful area of effect combos like Earthquake and Earth Nova.
** Spirits. While they have low healthy, they are smart enough to keep distance from the party and will spread out in the field, meaning will be difficult to defeat they in a single turn. Also, they have Parry skill, meaning a physical-based team will have troubles dealing with these enemies.
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Winfield
is up one of the most popular characters, especially for his hot springs antics.
** Valeria. Enough to be at the number 3 spot
as to who people want to bring back in Agarest 2 2.
** Thoma Raglen. If we're talking about the protagonists themselves, he's the one a lot of people are interested in.
** Silvi, for being a kind, peppy idealist who still manages to be grounded in reality, providing a good contrast to the cynical Duran,
and [[http://www.compileheart.com/agarest_2nd/vote/result/3/index.html Leonhardt is number 1 for [[spoiler:flying ''into a storm'' and Valeria at number 3]].'''fighting a''' '''[[DemonicSpiders Garvel]]''', ''by herself'', to save Duran's life]]. She's easily the most-often picked of the fourth generation brides.
** Noah is the only ThirdOptionLoveInterest who is ever regularly picked, and is in fact the most popular choice of players during the third generation.
** Murmina. Her [[DarkAndTroubledPast traumatic backstory]], extreme [[TheWoobie huggability]], and CharacterDevelopment endeared her to fans quickly.



* GameBreaker: Stacking enough ATK+999 or MAG+900 is enough to turn ''anyone'' into your best fighter or mage. Stack your entire party with them, and you can literally K.O. the final boss in one round.

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* GameBreaker: GameBreaker:
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Stacking enough ATK+999 +999 ATK or MAG+900 is enough +900 MAG. Although it's difficult to turn ''anyone'' into your best fighter or mage. Stack your entire party with them, and get one of theses (if you are playing for the first time, during the boundary plane), you can literally K.O. transform any character into a game breaker, especially if they have equipment with all eight slots to equip passive skills (like Byakko's Bracelet + Suzaku's Ring). Even the final hardest boss in one round.battle will be not hard at all.



* GrowingTheBeard: The game starts to really pick up in the third generation, with a greater emphasis on plot and character interaction, a more interesting environment, and the introduction of [[EnsembleDarkhorse Thoma]] as a playable character. The fourth and fifth generations follow suit and are very fun to play too.



** JerkassWoobie: Duran may be a massive jerk, but you can't exactly blame him for hating a world that destined him to die before he was even born. None of his companions ever really take the time to talk to him about it, making him an even more miserable person.



* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: Ever pull a 6 character combo on a boss before? Well its really, really ''Awesome'' once you use high level multi-hitting combos that chain into special attacks for the sweet sweet overkill message.

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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome:
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Ever pull a 6 character combo on a boss before? Well its really, really ''Awesome'' once you use high level multi-hitting combos that chain into special attacks for the sweet sweet overkill message.



** Thoma Raglen pulls off an awesome speech when an elf was badmouthing Lavinia due to discrimination. He then recites word for word as to why men should protect women, and that race has nothing to do with it. He leaves the arrogant elf speechless. Up until this point, Thoma is nothing more than just a funny guy who loves women.



* NeverLiveItDown: Yayoi. See EroticEating.



* TheScrappy: While most of characters are either loved or are divisive with the fandom, Ladius is the one of the few which is hated by the majority of the fandom, mainly for being too oblivious to the girls around him and being too serious about his duties.




!!Characters
* AntiClimaxBoss: For a god of war, Mayastia sure is pretty easy to defeat.
* BaseBreakingCharacter: Several characters, most notably Ellis and Vashtor.
** Rex.
** Duran. You either love him for [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne his gritty, realistic look on the harshness of his situation]] and CharacterDevelopment, or hate him for being a whiny {{Jerkass}} before said development kicks in.
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Everyone loves Winfield, or to be more exact no one hates him.
** Fyuria.
** Valeria. Enough to be at the number 3 spot as to who people want back in Agarest 2.
** Thoma Raglen. If we're talking about the protagonists themselves, he's the one a lot of people are interested in.
** Silvi, for being a kind, peppy idealist who still manages to be grounded in reality, providing a good contrast to the cynical Duran, and for [[spoiler:flying ''into a storm'' and '''fighting a''' '''[[DemonicSpiders Garvel]]''', ''by herself'', to save Duran's life]]. She's easily the most-often picked of the fourth generation brides.
** Noah is the only ThirdOptionLoveInterest who is ever regularly picked, and is in fact the most popular choice of players during the third generation.
** Murmina. Her [[DarkAndTroubledPast traumatic backstory]], extreme [[TheWoobie huggability]], and CharacterDevelopment endeared her to fans quickly.
** Vashtor also proved popular enough to reappear as an extremely major character in Agarest Zero.
* SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}}: Four words: Ellis, is Borgnine nearby?
* GameBreaker:
** Ellis's 2nd EX is healing all characters on the fields. The game-breaking part? It has 10 range, which means just connect your character with Ellis you can strike any enemies on the field.
** Plum's 2nd EX Maiden Prayer has 100 SP recovery effect which means focus on raising her SP to 100 on the 1st turn, next turn use Maiden Prayer and hello EX Spam.
* GrowingTheBeard: The game starts to really pick up in the third generation, with a greater emphasis on plot and character interaction, a more interesting environment, and the introduction of [[EnsembleDarkhorse Thoma]] as a playable character. The fourth and fifth generations follow suit ad are generally very fun to play.
* SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}: Must be the qualifications of a harpuia in this game.
* HoYay: For a couple of ladies' men, Winfield and Thoma verge on this at times.
* LawfulGood: Elaine Reinbach is easily the most righteous of the three brides, despite being the only one on the villainís side.
* {{Moe}}:
** Ellis as a kid.
** [[WhenSheSmiles When Fyuria Smiles.]]
** Ryuryu.
* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: Thoma Raglen pulls off an awesome speech when an elf was badmouthing Lavinia due to discrimination. He then recites word for word as to why men should protect women, and that race has nothing to do with it. He leaves the arrogant elf speechless. Up until this point, Thoma is nothing more than just a funny guy who loves women.
* [[spoiler:MoralEventHorizon: Danaos crossed it many times.]]
* NeverLiveItDown: Yayoi. See EroticEating.
* TheScrappy: Several.
** Luana is easily the least popular choice of a bride for the first generation, mostly due to her seemingly shoe-horned existence, mediocre combat skills, and not being [[EnsembleDarkhorse Fyuria or Elaine]].
** Arbol is hated for his obnoxious voice and awkward role of a combat-oriented mage.
** Faina is disliked for her bland personality as well as stealing the spotlight away from the much more popular Noah.
** Ladius is easily the least popular Raglens, due to being seen as a bland character in a boring re-hash of the first generation.
** Fer is frequently seen as an annoying and unnecessary character who does little more than fill an extra party slot with his sub par stats.
** Melchior is reviled by most due to his status as a KarmaHoudini {{Jerkass}}.
* ThatOneBoss:
** While you can mop up the two previous generations with ease, Midas will certainly murder you over and over again with his Phoenix Strike. With a range of two squares in front of him.
** Keith because [[spoiler: Vashtor kidnaps Ellis]].
* ThatOneLevel: The second generation is hated by many due to being incredibly similar to the first generation plot wise only with less memorable characters. Ladius is also seen as the most boring protagonist in the game.
* TooCoolToLive: Leonhardt Raglen in the end.
* [[spoiler: TheUntwist: The fact that Vashtor's the Dark Knight in the first generation should not be a surprise to any Genre Savvy player.]]



** JerkassWoobie: Duran may be a massive jerk, but you can't exactly blame him for hating a world that destined him to die before he was even born. None of his companions ever really take the time to talk to him about it, making him an even more miserable person.

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** JerkassWoobie: Duran may be a massive jerk, but you can't exactly blame him for hating a world that destined him to die before he was even born. None of his companions ever really take the time to talk to him about it, making him an even more miserable person.----
3rd Nov '17 7:47:31 PM mizorefan
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* ValuesDissonance: Rex can marry any woman in the party. While choices like Beatrice and Murmina are fine, [[WifeHusbandry the others helped to raise him]] and most of them are either decades or centuries older than him. [[CluelessChickMagnet And all girls develop feelings for him too]]. The most egregious examples are Ellis, which is heavily implied was the "main mother" and Plum for looking a pre-teen at the best. Although the former has an excuse because [[spoiler:Rex resembles a lot Leo and she loved him]].



* BaseBreaker: Several characters, most notably Ellis and Vashtor.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Several characters, most notably Ellis and Vashtor.
5th Aug '17 1:45:07 PM SeptimusHeap
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* NoYay: Some people are put off by the fact that Rex can hook up with a woman who raised him, but [[{{Lolicon}} Plum]] ''especially'' draws this reaction.

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* NoYay: Some people are put off by the fact that Rex can hook up with a woman who raised him, but [[{{Lolicon}} Plum]] Plum ''especially'' draws this reaction.
20th Apr '17 7:45:56 PM Angeldeb82
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The voting system is up as to who people want to bring back in Agarest 2 and [[http://www.compileheart.com/agarest_2nd/vote/result/3/index.html Leonhardt is number 1 and Valeria at number 3.]]

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The voting system is up as to who people want to bring back in Agarest 2 and [[http://www.compileheart.com/agarest_2nd/vote/result/3/index.html Leonhardt is number 1 and Valeria at number 3.]]3]].



* HoYay: For a couple of ladies men, Winfield and Thoma verge on this at times.

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* HoYay: For a couple of ladies ladies' men, Winfield and Thoma verge on this at times.



* ScrappyLevel: The second generation is hated by many due to being incredibly similar to the first generation plot wise only with less memorable characters. Ladius is also seen as the most boring protagonist in the game.



* ThatOneLevel: The second generation is hated by many due to being incredibly similar to the first generation plot wise only with less memorable characters. Ladius is also seen as the most boring protagonist in the game.
* TooCoolToLive: Leonhardt Raglen in the end.



* TooCoolToLive: Leonhardt Raglen in the end.

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* TooCoolToLive: Leonhardt Raglen in the end.ViewerGenderConfusion: If it weren't for Duran Raglen's deep voice, he'd probably pass as a girl to viewers.
* {{Wangst}}: Many view Duran's constant whining as this, though he's not exactly without his reasons. As always YMMV.



** JerkassWoobie: Duran may be a massive jerk, but you can't exactly blame him for hating a world that destined him to die before he was even born. None of his companions ever really take the time to talk to him about it, making him an even more miserable person.
* ViewerGenderConfusion: If it weren't for Duran Raglen's deep voice, he'd probably pass as a girl to viewers.
* {{Wangst}}: Many view Duran's constant whining as this, though he's not exactly without his reasons. As always YMMV.

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** JerkassWoobie: Duran may be a massive jerk, but you can't exactly blame him for hating a world that destined him to die before he was even born. None of his companions ever really take the time to talk to him about it, making him an even more miserable person.
* ViewerGenderConfusion: If it weren't for Duran Raglen's deep voice, he'd probably pass as a girl to viewers.
* {{Wangst}}: Many view Duran's constant whining as this, though he's not exactly without his reasons. As always YMMV.
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9th Aug '16 5:22:26 AM BigKlingy
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** There is a bit of rivalry with ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' fans, especially from [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]. They accuse Agarest franchise of being nothing more than a fanservice game with a generic turn based battle system, while Agarest fans accuse ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' of copying ideas from the franchise, like the marriage system.

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** There is a bit of rivalry with ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' fans, especially from [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]. They accuse Agarest franchise of being nothing more than a fanservice game with a generic turn based battle system, while Agarest fans accuse ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' of copying ideas from the franchise, like the marriage system.[[labelnote:note]]Crosses into CriticalResearchFailure there, as Fire Emblem's marriage system originated with ''Geneology of the Holy War'' on SNES, much earlier than ''Awakening'' or ''Fates''[[/labelnote]]
27th May '16 6:13:38 PM mizorefan
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* FandomRivalry:
** With ''VideoGame/{{Neptunia}}'', since almost all games from both franchises were co-developed by ''Creator/CompileHeart'' and Neptunia is presumaly one of the reasons of the death of Agarest franchise, since [[OvershadowedByAwesome Neptunia was (and still is) a huge hit in comparison with the former during the time both had regular releases]].
** There is a bit of rivalry with ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' fans, especially from [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]. They accuse Agarest franchise of being nothing more than a fanservice game with a generic turn based battle system, while Agarest fans accuse ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' of copying ideas from the franchise, like the marriage system.
16th May '16 8:38:44 PM Angeldeb82
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* CanonSue: Rex, in fact one of Nico Nico Douga MC comments "This guy is too perfect!"



* TheUntwist: Seriously, who wouldn't suspect [[spoiler: [[ObviouslyEvil Vashtor to be evil?]]]]

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* TheUntwist: Seriously, who wouldn't suspect [[spoiler: [[ObviouslyEvil Vashtor to be evil?]]]]evil]]]]?
4th Jan '16 5:48:17 PM hamza678
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!!Agarest Zero
* BaseBreaker: Linda is one of the most popular brides in the series in Japan, and yet gets quite a bit of hate in the US for being a {{Jerkass}} and forced as Sieghart's {{Love Interest|s}}.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Eugene is probably the most popular character from the game.
** As far as the brides go, Dana is quite popular as well.
** DECIMAL!
* HoYay: Sieghart and Eugene have quite a bit of this, which doesn't go unnoticed by the rest of the party.
** Sieghart and Vashtor also have a generous amount of it as well
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: A common complaint.
* MemeticBadass: Decimal. This is a chicken who beat a GURG!
* {{Narm}}: The one weapon that can defeat the gurgs, is Werdefahrt. Try saying that without cracking up poop jokes.
* TheWoobie: Pretty much every party member is one in some way.
** JerkassWoobie: Eugene may be an ass, but considering what his life was like before meeting Sieghart, his attitude is pretty understandable.
** Vashtor also becomes a huge one, especially if one considers his role in the first game after paying this.

!!Agarest Senki 2
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Victoria
* EvenBetterSequel
* GameBreaker: Arc-en-ciel, this skill is basically the reason why this game never crossed the NintendoHard line.
** No Fear EX Skill plus a ''really'' high vitality stat = almost no enemy can kill you at all. Pair it up with some Change HP Up+ and enemies might as well not even bother trying to kill you at all.
* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/KanaUeda voices the high elf Ellis in the first game. Fair enough. In Agarest 2 [[Creator/KanaAsumi Another]] [[NamesTheSame Kana]] voices the high elf Fiona. And you can have them both in the same party. Too bad no combination attack with Ellis and Fiona.
** Speaking of Fiona since she is a marriage option, [[Creator/KanaAsumi guess who]] [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-01-14/hidamari-sketch-voice-actress-kana-asumi-gets-married got married.]]
* MemeticBadass: The "Fairy" {{Mook|s}}. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHL9fYlYb88&feature=related Here's why.]]
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Danaos]] ''sprints with it.'' He was a pretty decent guy in the first generation (seeing as you don't do much in [[spoiler:Graccea]] at that point), but once generation two starts rolling in, he tricks the party to do a long FetchQuest for him, [[spoiler: uses his daughter as a way to kill the party, drugs Luster to morph into a monster, kills Gideon just because he can, and kicks Melvina around whenever she fails her mission. All to summon Summerill at Aegisthus.]]
* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler: Eva's dream sequence where the darkness is invading her ''entire body''. You could not help but scream tentacle rape with this CG.]]
* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Jainus' HeroicSacrifice. That is all.]]
** [[spoiler: Rasta's death. You will cry because he really didn't deserve any of this and that he had to die by Yumil's hand.]]
* TheWoobie: [[spoiler: Chaos in a nutshell really. Let's see, he happens to be the leader of the dark gods who really just wants to be with Varna but Lenion gets to marry her first. Heartbroken, and being taken advantaged of Mobius to start the war, he gets defeated and sealed in the Zaint Luke pillar for ''a really long time''.]]
** Yumil gets a pretty shitty hand dealt to her too. First off, her parents die when she' ten. Then she's engaged to her brother, and while she admits that she does love him, it's not in the romantic sense and she's only going through with it out of a sense of duty. Said brother falls ill, so she goes out to look for a cure. She discovers she's a Maiden of the Pillar, which in Eva's words makes her nothing more than a brood mare for "the vessel's" pleasure. When she does bring her brother the cure, [[spoiler:it goes horribly, horribly wrong and turns him into a demon she and the party are forced to put down. And then her clan kicks her out, after refusing to take responsibility for their part in his death.]]
* ThatOneBoss: [[spoiler: Sophia and her golem is one in the third generation, but only if you were unprepared for the fact that you lose '''''four''' party members'' in this fight and if you rely on them too much: Janus makes a HeroicSacrifice, Fiona gets a DamselInDistress moment, Eva is still recovering from a HeroicBSOD, and Sophia is the one you're fighting against.]] Needless to say, if you did not have a back up save, and a back up party to replace the four of them, you might as well restart the game. This battle is still considered as a BossRush too. What this means is that whatever HP you had from the last boss fight, your HP is still going to be the same in this fight.
2nd Sep '15 9:23:43 PM Apocrypha
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** Silvi.

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** Silvi.Silvi, for being a kind, peppy idealist who still manages to be grounded in reality, providing a good contrast to the cynical Duran, and for [[spoiler:flying ''into a storm'' and '''fighting a''' '''[[DemonicSpiders Garvel]]''', ''by herself'', to save Duran's life]]. She's easily the most-often picked of the fourth generation brides.



** Murmina.

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** Murmina. Her [[DarkAndTroubledPast traumatic backstory]], extreme [[TheWoobie huggability]], and CharacterDevelopment endeared her to fans quickly.



** Ladius and Duran are easily the least popular Raglens. Ladius due to being seen as a bland character in a boring re-hash of the first generation and Duran for being a whiny {{Jerkass}}.

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** Ladius and Duran are is easily the least popular Raglens. Ladius Raglens, due to being seen as a bland character in a boring re-hash of the first generation and Duran for being a whiny {{Jerkass}}.generation.
7th Jun '15 10:12:56 PM GoldenSeals
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** Keith to some people due to the fact that [[spoiler: Ellis gets kidnapped by Vashtor]].

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** Keith to some people due to the fact that because [[spoiler: Ellis gets kidnapped by Vashtor]].Vashtor kidnaps Ellis]].
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