History YMMV / AceVentura

7th Jun '16 11:42:43 AM NWolfman
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* ValuesDissonance: [[UnsettlingGenderReveal The "Einhorn is a man" gag]]. Back in 1994 it was, at best, a cheep laugh and at worst juvenile and mean-spirited. But after 20+ years of increased visibility for transgendered rights and the "trans panic" defense being seriously called into question, it comes off as outright cruel. Even Tom Shadyack's already [[WordOfGod questionable defense]] that the gag was more at Ace's expense (that he's tough enough to catch bullets in his teeth but [[DeliberateValuesDissonance goes to pieces from kissing a man]]) wears rather thin.

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* ValuesDissonance: [[UnsettlingGenderReveal The "Einhorn is a man" gag]]. Back in 1994 it was, at best, a cheep laugh and at worst juvenile and mean-spirited. But after 20+ years of increased visibility for transgendered rights and the "trans panic" defense being seriously called into question, it comes off as outright downright cruel. Even Tom Shadyack's already [[WordOfGod questionable defense]] that the gag was more at Ace's expense (that he's tough enough to catch bullets in his teeth but [[DeliberateValuesDissonance goes to pieces from kissing a man]]) wears rather thin.
26th May '16 6:27:29 PM NWolfman
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* MisaimedFandom: Related to AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. Ray Finkele is clearly [[UnintentionallySympathetic a screwed up guy]] who's been driven to murderous insanity by years of [[DisproportionateRetribution undeserved public shaming]], all because [[NeverLiveItDown he simply missed field goal]]. But let's be clear: he became Lois Einhorn ''not'' because [[UsefulNotes/{{Transgender}} he was a woman who was assigned the male gender at birth]], but as a front for his revenge scheme.
26th May '16 1:32:04 PM Anddrix
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* ValuesDissonance: [[UnsettlingGenderReveal The "Einhorn is a man" gag]]. Back in 1994 it was, at best, a cheep laugh and at worst juvenile and mean-spirited. But after 20+ years of increased visibility for transgendered rights and the "trans panic" defense being seriously called into question, it comes off as [[DudeNotFunny outright cruel]]. Even Tom Shadyack's already [[WordOfGod questionable defense]] that the gag was more at Ace's expense (that he's tough enough to catch bullets in his teeth but [[DeliberateValuesDissonance goes to pieces from kissing a man]]) wears rather thin.

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* ValuesDissonance: [[UnsettlingGenderReveal The "Einhorn is a man" gag]]. Back in 1994 it was, at best, a cheep laugh and at worst juvenile and mean-spirited. But after 20+ years of increased visibility for transgendered rights and the "trans panic" defense being seriously called into question, it comes off as [[DudeNotFunny outright cruel]].cruel. Even Tom Shadyack's already [[WordOfGod questionable defense]] that the gag was more at Ace's expense (that he's tough enough to catch bullets in his teeth but [[DeliberateValuesDissonance goes to pieces from kissing a man]]) wears rather thin.
26th May '16 1:28:58 PM NWolfman
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* HarsherInHindsight: Ace's "comical" overreaction to Einhorn in light of the Gay Panic defence and several high profile murders of transwomen by their lovers when said lovers found out about their transition.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Ace's "comical" overreaction to Einhorn "Einhorn is a man!" freakout in light in light of the Gay Panic defence and several high profile murders of transwomen by their lovers when said lovers found out about their transition.
26th May '16 1:24:41 PM NWolfman
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* ValuesDissonance: [[UnsettlingGenderReveal The "Einhorn is a man" gag]]. Back in 1994 it was, at best, a cheep laugh and at worst juvenile and mean-spirited. But after 20+ years of increased visibility for transgendered rights and the "trans panic" defense being seriously called into question, it comes off as [[DudeNotFunny outright cruel]. Even Tom Shadyack's already [[WordOfGod questionable defense]] that the gag was more at Ace's expense (that he's tough enough to catch bullets in his teeth but [[DeliberateValuesDissonance goes to pieces from kissing a man]]) wears rather thin.

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* ValuesDissonance: [[UnsettlingGenderReveal The "Einhorn is a man" gag]]. Back in 1994 it was, at best, a cheep laugh and at worst juvenile and mean-spirited. But after 20+ years of increased visibility for transgendered rights and the "trans panic" defense being seriously called into question, it comes off as [[DudeNotFunny outright cruel].cruel]]. Even Tom Shadyack's already [[WordOfGod questionable defense]] that the gag was more at Ace's expense (that he's tough enough to catch bullets in his teeth but [[DeliberateValuesDissonance goes to pieces from kissing a man]]) wears rather thin.
26th May '16 1:23:18 PM NWolfman
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* ValuesDissonance: TheReveal in the first movie about Lois Einhorn and Ace's grotesque reaction to it. Yeah, transphobic jokes don't fly so well these days.
** It didn't even go over that well in ''those'' days. Tom Shadyack defended this joke after some anti-defamation groups got on his case about it, saying that it was less about making fun of transpeople and more about [[DeliberateValuesDissonance how easily Ace will break from simply kissing another man despite all of his]] CrazyAwesome [[DeliberateValuesDissonance endeavors]].
*** Which is pretty bad excuse anyway, particular now with the extremely controversial "Gay Panic" defence being used. It also doesn't explain why the police officers acted just as over the top horrified as Ace did when they saw Einhorn's penis.
*** It could be argued however that their reaction was more based on the fact that they did not know about [[spoiler:Lois Einhorn being Finkle]].

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* ValuesDissonance: TheReveal [[UnsettlingGenderReveal The "Einhorn is a man" gag]]. Back in 1994 it was, at best, a cheep laugh and at worst juvenile and mean-spirited. But after 20+ years of increased visibility for transgendered rights and the first movie about Lois Einhorn and "trans panic" defense being seriously called into question, it comes off as [[DudeNotFunny outright cruel]. Even Tom Shadyack's already [[WordOfGod questionable defense]] that the gag was more at Ace's grotesque reaction expense (that he's tough enough to it. Yeah, transphobic jokes don't fly so well these days.
** It didn't even go over that well
catch bullets in ''those'' days. Tom Shadyack defended this joke after some anti-defamation groups got on his case about it, saying that it was less about making fun of transpeople and more about teeth but [[DeliberateValuesDissonance how easily Ace will break goes to pieces from simply kissing another man despite all of his]] CrazyAwesome [[DeliberateValuesDissonance endeavors]].
*** Which is pretty bad excuse anyway, particular now with the extremely controversial "Gay Panic" defence being used. It also doesn't explain why the police officers acted just as over the top horrified as Ace did when they saw Einhorn's penis.
*** It could be argued however that their reaction was more based on the fact that they did not know about [[spoiler:Lois Einhorn being Finkle]].
a man]]) wears rather thin.
26th Mar '16 2:23:55 PM igordebraga
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** LACES OUT!

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** LACES OUT!OUT! (specially in every NFL game decided by a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev-PHSd6mxY missed]] [[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/01/11/vikings-kicker-blair-walshs-awful-miss-had-everyone-quoting-ace-ventura/ kick]])


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* {{Sequelitis}}: The second movie is often found inferior, particularly for relying on more ToiletHumor.
20th Mar '16 5:19:36 PM MURPHYCHACHO
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*** Which is pretty bad excuse anyway, particular now with the extremely controversial "Gay Panic" defence being used. It also doesn't explain why the police officers acted just as over the top hoffified as Ace did when they saw Einhorn's penis.

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*** Which is pretty bad excuse anyway, particular now with the extremely controversial "Gay Panic" defence being used. It also doesn't explain why the police officers acted just as over the top hoffified horrified as Ace did when they saw Einhorn's penis.
10th Jan '16 5:00:06 PM cernex
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*** It could be argued however that their reaction was more based on the fact that they did not know about [[spoiler:Lois Einhorn being Finkle]].
4th Dec '15 8:27:58 AM speedyboris
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* BrokenBase: Jim Carrey allegedly dislikes the sequel, while many fans consider it to be funnier than the original. Of course, funnier doesn't always mean better; it certainly cashed in on dirty humour. According to Jeff Daniels, Carrey had explained to him the reasons why he didn't like the sequel much. He disliked the whole "Ace is afraid of bats" angle, as he found it to be a cheap AssPull, and even fought with the director about changing the script so that Ace was merely ''allergic'' to bats. Carrey was also very nervous about the film's depiction of the native characters, and that people might take offense to them. He's even surprised the film hasn't been outright banned! He wouldn't make another sequel to one of his films until ''Film/DumbAndDumberTo'', which unfortunately was ''far'' less well-received.
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