History YMMV / AceVentura

19th Dec '17 1:43:54 PM Gatomon41
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* AcceptableTargets: In ''When Nature Calls'', the rich, snooty couple at the Consulate party. They come off as so boorish that Ace punching the Monopoly Guy-lookalike and wearing him like fur doesn't seem horrifying. Though it was the lady who was the most hostile to Ace, the audience probably wouldn't laugh at the hero punching a woman. She may be an acceptable target for ridicule, but not for slapstick violence.
15th Dec '17 11:02:37 PM Michael_McManus
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Homo[=/=]transphobic as it may be, Ace just ''[[ChewingTheScenery imploding]]'' over the discovery is [[spoiler:Einhorn is actually a man]] arguably saves the joke from being completely unfunny all these years later. If helps if you go by WordOfGod that it's meant to show the irony of how the simple act of [[spoiler:kissing a man]] can destroy someone as badass as Ace.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Homo[=/=]transphobic as it may be, Ace just ''[[ChewingTheScenery imploding]]'' over the discovery is [[spoiler:Einhorn is actually a man]] arguably saves the joke from being completely unfunny all these years later. If helps if you go by WordOfGod that it's meant to show the irony of how the simple act of [[spoiler:kissing a man]] can destroy someone as badass as Ace.Ace, or as a send up of [[spoiler:''Film/TheCryingGame''.]]
28th Nov '17 10:42:50 AM MasterN
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** Then again, if she ''is'' genuinely transgender, Einhorn is still using her transition to get away with murder. That could be interpreted as making a mockery of a serious issue, thus arguably making her ''even less'' sympathetic than if Finkle were merely cross-dressing and pretending to be a woman.

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** Then again, if she ''is'' genuinely transgender, Einhorn [[spoiler: Einhorn]] is still using her transition to get away with murder. That could be interpreted as making a mockery of a serious issue, thus arguably making her ''even less'' sympathetic than if Finkle were merely cross-dressing and pretending to be a woman.
18th Nov '17 12:56:20 PM KingLyger
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* MagnificentBastard: Vincent Cadby in the sequel. [[spoiler:He hires poachers to steal the sacred bat of the Wachati tribe after it had been offered as a dowry for a royal marriage to make peace with their rivals the Wachootoo. Thus, the two tribes take this as an ill omen and prepare for war. What does Vincent get out of this? With the Wachati dead the consulate will be able to take possession of their lands, which include lots of caves used as nesting grounds for bats, and their guano is worth billions in the international market as fertilizer. He also hires Ace to investigate the crime so he can avoid suspicion and spends most of the film letting Ace chase false leads and make a fool of himself because he doesn't need to do anything else for his plan to work, he just has to keep the bat hidden long enough.]] A rather effective and impressive villain for a comedy film.

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* MagnificentBastard: Vincent Cadby in the sequel. [[spoiler:He hires poachers to steal the sacred bat of the Wachati tribe after it had been offered as a dowry for a royal marriage to make peace with their rivals rivals, the Wachootoo. Thus, the two tribes take this the bat's disappearance as an ill omen and prepare for war. What does Vincent get out of this? With the Wachati dead and the Wachootoo both dead, the consulate will be able to take possession of their lands, which include lots of caves used as nesting grounds for bats, and their guano is worth billions in the international market as fertilizer. He also hires Ace to investigate the crime so he can avoid suspicion and make it look like he'd done everything he could to prevent the tribe war. Even then, he spends most of the film letting Ace chase false leads and make a fool of himself himself, because he Cadby doesn't need to do anything else for his plan to work, work; he just has to keep the bat hidden long enough.]] A rather effective and impressive villain for a comedy film.
23rd Oct '17 7:03:05 AM Macsen
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** Then again, if she ''is'' genuinely transgender, Einhorn is still using her transition to get away with murder. That could be interpreted as making a mockery of a serious issue, thus arguably making her ''even less'' sympathetic than if Finkle were merely cross-dressing and pretending to be a woman.
18th Oct '17 4:55:53 PM Folamh3
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** Ace's impersonation of Creator/WilliamShatner in ''Series/TheTwilightZone'' episode "Nightmare at 20,000" feet might slip past some younger viewers.
18th Oct '17 4:54:19 PM Folamh3
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* UnfortunateImplications: [[http://articles.latimes.com/1994-02-26/entertainment/ca-27313_1_jim-carrey-ace-ventura-mr-carrey Even in 1994]], the film was derided for its homophobic implications. [[http://freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2012/05/18/ace-ventura-het-perspective/ This article]] analyzes the first film from a transfeminist perspective and it doesn't come off very well at all.

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* UnfortunateImplications: [[http://articles.latimes.com/1994-02-26/entertainment/ca-27313_1_jim-carrey-ace-ventura-mr-carrey Even in 1994]], the film was derided for its homophobic homo- and trans-phobic implications. [[http://freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2012/05/18/ace-ventura-het-perspective/ This article]] analyzes the first film from a transfeminist perspective and it doesn't come off very well at all.
18th Oct '17 4:53:47 PM Folamh3
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** The scene in the second film in which Ace pounds a heavily pregnant tribeswoman's belly, causing her baby to rocket out of her vagina and land in a fellow tribesman's lap. This scene likewise gets cut in some broadcasts.
15th Oct '17 11:33:24 PM lilithmercy
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** Due to the generally different audiences and how often the other film is likely to be on TV, younger audiences can probably be forgiven for not knowing that the [[spoiler: UnsettlingGenderReveal]] scene is a fairly direct parody of [[spoiler: Film/TheCryingGame]], even if it did play the song the parodied film is named after.
2nd Sep '17 4:24:48 PM Mullon
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* CriticalDissonance: The first film was widely panned by critics. Creator/RogerEbert and Creator/GeneSiskel went as far as declaring that Creator/JimCarrey would never have a career as a movie star ([[HeReallyCanAct though they'd eat their words]] after watching him in ''Film/TheTrumanShow'').

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* CriticalDissonance: The first film was widely panned by critics. Creator/RogerEbert and Creator/GeneSiskel went as far as declaring that Creator/JimCarrey would never have a career as a movie star ([[HeReallyCanAct though they'd eat their words]] after watching him in ''Film/TheTrumanShow''). But audiences found the movie hilarious, and between it, ''Film/TheMask'' and ''Film/DumbAndDumber'' Jim Carrey became the highest paid actor in Hollywood for a while.



* DracoInLeatherPants: Ray Finkele/[[spoiler:Lois Einhorn]] tends to get empathy from people who see him/[[spoiler:her]] as transgender, mostly stemming from the RealitySubtext of the injustices towards real-life trans people, ignoring the fact that he/[[spoiler:she]] is a murderous lunatic who [[spoiler:transitioned]] not because [[spoiler:he was a woman who was assigned the male gender at birth]], but as a front for a revenge scheme.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Ray Finkele/[[spoiler:Lois Einhorn]] tends to get empathy from people who see him/[[spoiler:her]] him/her as transgender, mostly stemming from the RealitySubtext of the injustices towards real-life trans people, ignoring the fact that he/[[spoiler:she]] he/she is a murderous lunatic who [[spoiler:transitioned]] not because [[spoiler:he was a woman who was assigned the male gender at birth]], but as a front for a revenge scheme.scheme related only to his/her failed sports career.



* HarsherInHindsight: Ace's "Einhorn is a man!" freakout in light in light of the Gay Panic defense and several high profile murders of transwomen by their lovers when said lovers found out about their transition.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Ace's [[spoiler: "Einhorn is a man!" freakout in light freakout]] in light of the Gay Panic defense and several high profile murders of transwomen by their lovers when said lovers found out about their transition.



* JerkassWoobie: Ray Finkle/Lois Einhorn.

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* JerkassWoobie: Ray Finkle/Lois Einhorn.Finkle[[spoiler:/Lois Einhorn]].



** Finkle/Einhorn became memetic enough to get its own ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' NPC.

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** Finkle/Einhorn [[spoiler: Finkle/Einhorn]] became memetic enough to get its own ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' NPC.



* {{Sequelitis}}: The second movie is often found inferior, particularly for relying on more ToiletHumor.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Ace's landlord is [[Series/BreakingBad Hector]] [[Series/BetterCallSaul Salamanca]].
* {{Sequelitis}}: The second movie is often found inferior, particularly for relying on more ToiletHumor.ToiletHumor and making Ace more of a {{Jerkass}}.



** Ace's reaction to finding out that [[spoiler:Einhorn is really Ray Finkle]].
** The scene in the second movie where his fake rhino has the air conditioner fail, forcing him to stick his head out and when it does people watching the Rhino are shocked to see a Rhino give birth to Ace. Did we mention that ''he was naked at the time''? (The scene actually gets cut in some broadcasts of the movie.)

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** Ace's reaction to finding out that [[spoiler:Einhorn is really Ray Finkle]].
Finkle]] makes him take a completely naked really pathetic ShowerOfAngst and chew an entire package of gum.
** The scene in the second movie where his fake rhino has the rhino's air conditioner fail, fails, forcing him to stick his head out out, and when it does people watching the Rhino rhino are shocked to see a Rhino rhino give birth to Ace. Did we mention that ''he was ''he's naked at the time''? (The The scene actually gets cut in some broadcasts of the movie.)



* ValuesDissonance: [[UnsettlingGenderReveal The "Einhorn is a man" gag]]. Back in 1994 it was, at best, a cheap laugh and at worst juvenile and mean-spirited. But after 20+ years of increased visibility for transgender rights and the "trans panic" defense being seriously called into question, it comes off as deliberately cruel. Even Tom Shadyac's already [[WordOfGod questionable defense]] that the gag was more at Ace's expense (that he's tough enough to catch bullets in his teeth but [[DeliberateValuesDissonance goes to pieces from kissing a man]]) wears rather thin.

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* ValuesDissonance: [[spoiler: [[UnsettlingGenderReveal The "Einhorn is a man" gag]]. gag]].]] Back in 1994 it was, at best, a cheap laugh and at worst juvenile and mean-spirited. But after 20+ years of increased visibility for transgender rights and the "trans panic" defense being seriously called into question, it comes off as deliberately cruel. Even Tom Shadyac's already [[WordOfGod questionable defense]] that the gag was more at Ace's expense (that he's tough enough to catch bullets in his teeth but [[DeliberateValuesDissonance goes to pieces from kissing a man]]) wears rather thin.
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