History YMMV / AceCombat6FiresOfLiberation

26th Oct '17 2:45:05 PM AnoBakaDesu
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* ThatOneBoss: "Liberation of Gracemaria" is by far one of the best climax missions the series has to offer, with a whopping 6 operations to choose from and a required completion quota of 4, mixing air, ground and sea battles in a giant map. All is good... until you hit the second phase of the mission and you are pitted against Pasternak's missile-spamming CFA-44 and his army of [=UAVs=], the latter of which are infuriatingly hard to shoot down due to unpredictable AI. Because you are required to shoot down a large number of them to ensure an overall S Rank in the mission [[note]]Even if you completed all 4 operations with a S Rank in each prior to the mission update,
getting a C rank against Pasternak is a surefire overall A Rank[[/note]], players cite this boss fight to be the cheapest wrench to dampen an otherwise excellent mission, and a major reason to call the Estovakian ace "[[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard Pasterhack]]".

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* ThatOneBoss: "Liberation of Gracemaria" is by far one of the best climax missions the series has to offer, with a whopping 6 operations to choose from and a required completion quota of 4, mixing air, ground and sea battles in a giant map. All is good... until you hit the second phase of the mission and you are pitted against Pasternak's missile-spamming CFA-44 and his army of [=UAVs=], the latter of which are infuriatingly hard to shoot down due to unpredictable AI. Because you are required to shoot down a large number of them to ensure an overall S Rank in the mission [[note]]Even if you completed all 4 operations with a S Rank in each prior to the mission update,
update, getting a C rank against Pasternak is a surefire overall A Rank[[/note]], players cite this boss fight to be the cheapest wrench to dampen an otherwise excellent mission, and a major reason to call the Estovakian ace "[[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard Pasterhack]]".
26th Oct '17 2:44:36 PM AnoBakaDesu
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* ThatOneBoss: "Liberation of Gracemaria" is by far one of the best climax missions the series has to offer, with a whopping 6 operations to choose from and a required completion quota of 4, mixing air, ground and sea battles in a giant map. All is good... until you hit the second phase of the mission and you are pitted against Pasternak's missile-spamming CFA-44 and his army of [=UAVs=], the latter of which are infuriatingly hard to shoot down due to unpredictable AI. Because you are required to shoot down a large number of them to ensure an overall S Rank in the mission[[note]]Even if you completed all 4 operations with a S Rank in each prior to the mission update,
getting a C rank against Pasternak is a surefire overall A Rank[[/labelnote]], players cite this boss fight to be the cheapest wrench to dampen an otherwise excellent mission, and a major reason to call the Estovakian ace "[[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard Pasterhack]]".

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* ThatOneBoss: "Liberation of Gracemaria" is by far one of the best climax missions the series has to offer, with a whopping 6 operations to choose from and a required completion quota of 4, mixing air, ground and sea battles in a giant map. All is good... until you hit the second phase of the mission and you are pitted against Pasternak's missile-spamming CFA-44 and his army of [=UAVs=], the latter of which are infuriatingly hard to shoot down due to unpredictable AI. Because you are required to shoot down a large number of them to ensure an overall S Rank in the mission[[note]]Even mission [[note]]Even if you completed all 4 operations with a S Rank in each prior to the mission update,
getting a C rank against Pasternak is a surefire overall A Rank[[/labelnote]], Rank[[/note]], players cite this boss fight to be the cheapest wrench to dampen an otherwise excellent mission, and a major reason to call the Estovakian ace "[[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard Pasterhack]]".
26th Oct '17 2:44:13 PM AnoBakaDesu
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* PurpleProse: Everyone in this game is a wannabe poet and [[{{Narm}} none of them are any good at it]].

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* PurpleProse: ** Everyone in this game is a wannabe poet and [[{{Narm}} none of them are any good at it]].it.


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* ThatOneBoss: "Liberation of Gracemaria" is by far one of the best climax missions the series has to offer, with a whopping 6 operations to choose from and a required completion quota of 4, mixing air, ground and sea battles in a giant map. All is good... until you hit the second phase of the mission and you are pitted against Pasternak's missile-spamming CFA-44 and his army of [=UAVs=], the latter of which are infuriatingly hard to shoot down due to unpredictable AI. Because you are required to shoot down a large number of them to ensure an overall S Rank in the mission[[note]]Even if you completed all 4 operations with a S Rank in each prior to the mission update,
getting a C rank against Pasternak is a surefire overall A Rank[[/labelnote]], players cite this boss fight to be the cheapest wrench to dampen an otherwise excellent mission, and a major reason to call the Estovakian ace "[[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard Pasterhack]]".
5th Oct '17 11:00:46 PM MicoolTNT
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* * WorthyOpponent: Notably, Ilya Pasternak seemed to see you this way, as well as the world at large given the assault records' description of his death as a 'heroic sacrifice.' The reality is that he ambushes you after you take back your own capital while you're low on weapons and low on health while he's flying a plane somewhere between 'Weaponized UFO' and 'ArchangelMichael Wielding God's FlamingSword,' plus the several score drones he launches to fight alongside him. Yet even in this light he is apparently 'heroically sacrificing' himself, since it appears that he and everyone else in the world was certain that even then he was no match for the dreaded Talisman. You could argue that he could have been hopeful or even confident of his own victory and the heroic part come in since he told his whole squadron to bugger off so they wouldn't get all get killed by Talisman, but then you're really just raising the issue that it would have therefore been wholly expected that Talisman would have won against Pasternak ''and the entire Strigon Team by himself'' had they engaged with Pasternak. [[BoringInvincibleHero Probably true.]]

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* * WorthyOpponent: Notably, Ilya Pasternak seemed to see you this way, as well as the world at large given the assault records' description of his death as a 'heroic sacrifice.' The reality is that he ambushes you after you take back your own capital while you're low on weapons and low on health while he's flying a plane somewhere between 'Weaponized UFO' and 'ArchangelMichael Wielding God's FlamingSword,' plus the several score drones he launches to fight alongside him. Yet even in this light he is apparently 'heroically sacrificing' himself, since it appears that he and everyone else in the world was certain that even then he was no match for the dreaded Talisman. You could argue that he could have been hopeful or even confident of his own victory and the heroic part come in since he told his whole squadron to bugger off so they wouldn't get all get killed by Talisman, but then you're really just raising the issue that it would have therefore been wholly expected that Talisman would have won against Pasternak ''and the entire Strigon Team by himself'' had they engaged with Pasternak. [[BoringInvincibleHero Probably true.]]
5th Oct '17 10:59:37 PM MicoolTNT
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* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The graphics in ''Ace Combat 6'' allows for SceneryPorn and [[TheWarSequence battle scenes]] in truly ''huge'' scale never seen before in the series. You can fly through thick realistic-looking clouds, dance with missiles which leaves trailing smoke behind, witness ''several battalions'' of armies duking it out across the vast maps, tank shells, rockets and cruise missiles flying everywhere. All in HD glory.

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* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The graphics in ''Ace Combat 6'' allows for SceneryPorn and [[TheWarSequence battle scenes]] in truly ''huge'' scale never seen before in the series. You can fly through thick realistic-looking clouds, dance with missiles which leaves trailing smoke behind, witness ''several battalions'' of armies duking it out across the vast maps, tank shells, rockets and cruise missiles flying everywhere. All in HD glory.glory.
* * WorthyOpponent: Notably, Ilya Pasternak seemed to see you this way, as well as the world at large given the assault records' description of his death as a 'heroic sacrifice.' The reality is that he ambushes you after you take back your own capital while you're low on weapons and low on health while he's flying a plane somewhere between 'Weaponized UFO' and 'ArchangelMichael Wielding God's FlamingSword,' plus the several score drones he launches to fight alongside him. Yet even in this light he is apparently 'heroically sacrificing' himself, since it appears that he and everyone else in the world was certain that even then he was no match for the dreaded Talisman. You could argue that he could have been hopeful or even confident of his own victory and the heroic part come in since he told his whole squadron to bugger off so they wouldn't get all get killed by Talisman, but then you're really just raising the issue that it would have therefore been wholly expected that Talisman would have won against Pasternak ''and the entire Strigon Team by himself'' had they engaged with Pasternak. [[BoringInvincibleHero Probably true.]]
** Considering you can call in allied support to gun down Pasternak it's pretty obvious that Pasternak isn't just fighting one ace, but the entire Emmerian military. Maybe he can take down Talisman, [[AcePilot not a sure thing]], but he's a dead man going up against those odds even with drone backup. His sacrifice was noble because it got his squadron out of a lost battle with their lives.
5th Oct '17 10:41:57 PM MicoolTNT
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*** Once you get the hang of it, it's not hard to destroy a Nimbus drone. They sit pretty well in one place for a short time when the missiles come in, letting a quick QAAM shot get the best of them.

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*** Once you get the hang of it, it's not hard to destroy a Nimbus drone. They sit pretty well in one place for a short time when the missiles come in, letting a quick QAAM or well-timed SAAM shot get the best of them.them.
** As for the others, you can just go the NoKillLikeOverkill route and call in [[BadassArmy Allied]] [[MacrossMissileMassacre Support]] on them. Allied Cover is great for cleaning up Pasternak's drones.
19th Feb '17 3:33:55 AM Ominae
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* VindicatedByHistory: To a degree. In the years following the release of ''Fires of Liberation'', very few ''AC'' players would openly defend the game, thanks to a mix of tangible flaws and the [[ChannelHop console hop]] to the Xbox 360 that made many longtime fans seethe. After ''[[VideoGame/AceCombatAssaultHorizon Assault Horizon]]'' dropped, however, fans became a lot more forgiving. While the characterization and story were not as compelling as [[VideoGame/AceCombat04ShatteredSkies the]] [[VideoGame/AceCombat5TheUnsungWar Holy]] [[VideoGame/AceCombatZeroTheBelkanWar Trilogy]] (or [[SequelDisplacement the oft-overlooked]]--and [[BadExportForYou unfortunately neutered]]--''[[VideoGame/AceCombat3Electrosphere Electrosphere]]''), ''[=AC6=]'' had several good things going for it: a phenomenal soundtrack ([[AwesomeMusic/AceCombat no surprises there]]), solid gameplay accompanying ''tremendously'' large-scale battles that put the rest of the series to shame, and being the last major (read: console) title set in Strangereal prior to ''VideoGame/AceCombat7''[='s=] announcement.

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* VindicatedByHistory: To a degree. In the years following the release of ''Fires of Liberation'', very few ''AC'' players would openly defend the game, thanks to a mix of tangible flaws and the [[ChannelHop console hop]] to the Xbox 360 that made many longtime fans seethe. After ''[[VideoGame/AceCombatAssaultHorizon Assault Horizon]]'' dropped, however, fans became a lot more forgiving. While the characterization and story were not as compelling as [[VideoGame/AceCombat04ShatteredSkies the]] [[VideoGame/AceCombat5TheUnsungWar Holy]] [[VideoGame/AceCombatZeroTheBelkanWar Trilogy]] (or [[SequelDisplacement the oft-overlooked]]--and [[BadExportForYou unfortunately neutered]]--''[[VideoGame/AceCombat3Electrosphere Electrosphere]]''), ''[=AC6=]'' had several good things going for it: a phenomenal soundtrack ([[AwesomeMusic/AceCombat no surprises there]]), solid gameplay accompanying ''tremendously'' large-scale battles that put the rest of the series to shame, and being the last major (read: console) title set in Strangereal prior to ''VideoGame/AceCombat7''[='s=] ''[[AceCombat7SkiesUnknown Ace Combat 7]]''[='s=] announcement.
27th Jan '17 1:58:08 AM jormis29
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* VindicatedByHistory: To a degree. In the years following the release of ''Fires of Liberation'', very few ''AC'' players would openly defend the game, thanks to a mix of tangible flaws and the [[ChannelHop console hop]] to the Xbox 360 that made many longtime fans seethe. After ''[[VideoGame/AceCombatAssaultHorizon Assault Horizon]]'' dropped, however, fans became a lot more forgiving. While the characterization and story were not as compelling as [[VideoGame/AceCombat04ShatteredSkies the]] [[VideoGame/AceCombat5TheUnsungWar Holy]] [[VideoGame/AceCombatZeroTheBelkanWar Trilogy]] (or [[SequelDisplacement the oft-overlooked]]--and [[BadExportForYou unfortunately neutered]]--''[[VideoGame/AceCombat3Electrosphere Electrosphere]]''), ''[=AC6=]'' had several good things going for it: a phenomenal soundtrack ([[AwesomeMusic/AceCombat no surprises there]]), solid gameplay accompanying ''tremendously'' large-scale battles that put the rest of the series to shame, and being the last major (read: console) title set in Strangereal prior to ''Ace Combat 7''[='s=] announcement.

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* VindicatedByHistory: To a degree. In the years following the release of ''Fires of Liberation'', very few ''AC'' players would openly defend the game, thanks to a mix of tangible flaws and the [[ChannelHop console hop]] to the Xbox 360 that made many longtime fans seethe. After ''[[VideoGame/AceCombatAssaultHorizon Assault Horizon]]'' dropped, however, fans became a lot more forgiving. While the characterization and story were not as compelling as [[VideoGame/AceCombat04ShatteredSkies the]] [[VideoGame/AceCombat5TheUnsungWar Holy]] [[VideoGame/AceCombatZeroTheBelkanWar Trilogy]] (or [[SequelDisplacement the oft-overlooked]]--and [[BadExportForYou unfortunately neutered]]--''[[VideoGame/AceCombat3Electrosphere Electrosphere]]''), ''[=AC6=]'' had several good things going for it: a phenomenal soundtrack ([[AwesomeMusic/AceCombat no surprises there]]), solid gameplay accompanying ''tremendously'' large-scale battles that put the rest of the series to shame, and being the last major (read: console) title set in Strangereal prior to ''Ace Combat 7''[='s=] ''VideoGame/AceCombat7''[='s=] announcement.
29th Aug '16 7:28:53 AM X2X
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* VindicatedbyHistory: To a degree. In the years following the release of ''Fires of Liberation'', very few ''AC'' players would openly defend the game, thanks to a mix of tangible flaws and the [[ChannelHop console hop]] to the Xbox 360 that made many longtime fans seethe. After ''[[VideoGame/AceCombatAssaultHorizon Assault Horizon]]'' dropped, however, fans became a lot more forgiving. While the characterization and story were not as compelling as [[VideoGame/AceCombat04ShatteredSkies the]] [[VideoGame/AceCombat5TheUnsungWar Holy]] [[VideoGame/AceCombatZeroTheBelkanWar Trilogy]] (or [[SequelDisplacement the oft-overlooked]]--and [[BadExportForYou unfortunately neutered]]--''[[VideoGame/AceCombat3Electrosphere Electrosphere]]''), ''[=AC6=]'' had several good things going for it: a phenomenal soundtrack ([[AwesomeMusic/AceCombat no surprises there]]), solid gameplay accompanying ''tremendously'' large-scale battles that put the rest of the series to shame, and being the last major (read: console) title set in Strangereal prior to ''Ace Combat 7''[='s=] announcement.

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* VindicatedbyHistory: VindicatedByHistory: To a degree. In the years following the release of ''Fires of Liberation'', very few ''AC'' players would openly defend the game, thanks to a mix of tangible flaws and the [[ChannelHop console hop]] to the Xbox 360 that made many longtime fans seethe. After ''[[VideoGame/AceCombatAssaultHorizon Assault Horizon]]'' dropped, however, fans became a lot more forgiving. While the characterization and story were not as compelling as [[VideoGame/AceCombat04ShatteredSkies the]] [[VideoGame/AceCombat5TheUnsungWar Holy]] [[VideoGame/AceCombatZeroTheBelkanWar Trilogy]] (or [[SequelDisplacement the oft-overlooked]]--and [[BadExportForYou unfortunately neutered]]--''[[VideoGame/AceCombat3Electrosphere Electrosphere]]''), ''[=AC6=]'' had several good things going for it: a phenomenal soundtrack ([[AwesomeMusic/AceCombat no surprises there]]), solid gameplay accompanying ''tremendously'' large-scale battles that put the rest of the series to shame, and being the last major (read: console) title set in Strangereal prior to ''Ace Combat 7''[='s=] announcement.
22nd Aug '16 8:28:03 AM X2X
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* DemonicSpiders: The Strigon team planes can be REALLY REALLY ANNOYING to get a bead on, while they don't have as much of a problem shoving missiles up your tailpipe. And that's assuming that you're on a mission where [[HopelessBossFight you can even shoot them down]].

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/AceCombat This IS an Ace Combat game, after all.]] To give but two examples of the amazing musical score, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-bluI0DEpw "Invasion of Gracemeria"]] starts things off with a hopeful and gallant, tribal-influenced march that will make you ''want'' to [[ArcWords go dance with the angels]], while its TriumphantReprise [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhdNjzX4waA "The Liberation of Gracemeria"]] is considered to be one of the series' all-time greats with its slow buildup and powerfully exultant feel.
* DemonicSpiders: The Strigon team Team planes can be REALLY REALLY ANNOYING to get a bead on, while they don't have as much of a problem shoving missiles up your tailpipe. And that's assuming that you're on a mission where [[HopelessBossFight you can even shoot them down]].



*** Actually, you can hit them - it's just very hard to get a very good lock-on and catching them when they're not maneuvering like sparrows on steroids. Same thing goes with Pasternak's [=UCAVs=], but that has more to do with how long you can dodge the constant barrage of [=ADMMs=] and gunfire.

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*** Actually, you can hit them - -- it's just very hard to get a very good lock-on and catching them when they're not maneuvering like sparrows on steroids. Same thing goes with Pasternak's [=UCAVs=], but that has more to do with how long you can dodge the constant barrage of [=ADMMs=] and gunfire.



* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: The Estovakians using the Chandelier on Gracemeria, for the sole purpose of leveling it civilians and all.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The Estovakians using the Chandelier on Gracemeria, for the sole purpose of leveling it it, civilians and all.]]



** Let's face it; it's hard to take ''any'' moment in the game seriously if you're using one of the DLC {{VideoGame/The Idolmaster}} planes.
* PurpleProse: Everyone in this game is a wannabe poet and none of them are any good at it.
--> I vaguely hear a scream of terror that sounds much like my own voice from afar... I feel as though the Golden King's gentle smile is moving... moving further away from me

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** Let's face it; it's hard to take ''any'' moment in the game seriously if you're using one of the DLC {{VideoGame/The Idolmaster}} ''[[VideoGame/TheIdolmaster iDOLM@STER]]'' planes.
* PurpleProse: Everyone in this game is a wannabe poet and [[{{Narm}} none of them are any good at it.it]].
--> I "I vaguely hear a scream of terror that sounds much like my own voice from afar... I feel as though the Golden King's gentle smile is moving... moving further away from meme."



* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The graphics in ''Ace Combat 6'' allows for SceneryPorn and [[TheWarSequence battle scene]] in truly ''huge'' scale never seen before in the series. You can fly through thick realistic-looking clouds, dances with missiles which leaves trailing smoke behind, witness ''several battalions'' of armies duking it out across the vast map, tank shells, rockets and cruise missiles flying everywhere. All in HD glory.

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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: VindicatedbyHistory: To a degree. In the years following the release of ''Fires of Liberation'', very few ''AC'' players would openly defend the game, thanks to a mix of tangible flaws and the [[ChannelHop console hop]] to the Xbox 360 that made many longtime fans seethe. After ''[[VideoGame/AceCombatAssaultHorizon Assault Horizon]]'' dropped, however, fans became a lot more forgiving. While the characterization and story were not as compelling as [[VideoGame/AceCombat04ShatteredSkies the]] [[VideoGame/AceCombat5TheUnsungWar Holy]] [[VideoGame/AceCombatZeroTheBelkanWar Trilogy]] (or [[SequelDisplacement the oft-overlooked]]--and [[BadExportForYou unfortunately neutered]]--''[[VideoGame/AceCombat3Electrosphere Electrosphere]]''), ''[=AC6=]'' had several good things going for it: a phenomenal soundtrack ([[AwesomeMusic/AceCombat no surprises there]]), solid gameplay accompanying ''tremendously'' large-scale battles that put the rest of the series to shame, and being the last major (read: console) title set in Strangereal prior to ''Ace Combat 7''[='s=] announcement.
* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome:
The graphics in ''Ace Combat 6'' allows for SceneryPorn and [[TheWarSequence battle scene]] scenes]] in truly ''huge'' scale never seen before in the series. You can fly through thick realistic-looking clouds, dances dance with missiles which leaves trailing smoke behind, witness ''several battalions'' of armies duking it out across the vast map, maps, tank shells, rockets and cruise missiles flying everywhere. All in HD glory.
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