History YMMV / AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth

9th Dec '17 12:57:30 PM SingElise
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** In [=AAI2=], it's the Logic Chess battle against [[spoiler:Sebastian]]. It's the longest and most annoying Logic Chess battle in the game. This is somewhat justified and lampshaded, [[spoiler:at that moment, Sebastian has become a blubbering mess drenched in his own desperation and self-loathing, with Miles constantly mentioning that Sebastian is in his [[DespairEventHorizon emotional and psychological limit]]. Kay and Miles admit they need to take it easy on the Logic Chess(something Miles has never done before) in order to not break the boy completely. Three out of the 5 questionings in the play are actually related to bring Sebastian back from his HeroicBSOD rather than attempting to get information]].

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** In [=AAI2=], it's the Logic Chess battle against [[spoiler:Sebastian]]. It's the longest and most annoying Logic Chess battle in the game. This is somewhat justified and lampshaded, lampshaded as [[spoiler:at that moment, Sebastian has become a blubbering mess drenched in his own desperation and self-loathing, with Miles constantly mentioning that Sebastian is in his [[DespairEventHorizon emotional and psychological limit]]. Kay and Miles admit they need to take it easy on the Logic Chess(something Chess (something Miles has never done before) in order to not break the boy completely. Three out of the 5 questionings in the play are actually related to bring Sebastian back from his HeroicBSOD rather than attempting to get information]].
9th Dec '17 12:41:54 PM SingElise
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** Case 5, "The Grand Turnabout". The case requires the solving of no less than [[spoiler:three murders(President Huang, his double and Jill Crane's lover), four kidnappings(Kay, John, Sebastian and the SS-5 Incident), the actions of two serial killers(deKiller and Dogen), the disappearance of two children(Gustavia's and Dover's sons) and the resolution of a 12 year long case that was never solved and that put the Lang clan to shame. All being manipulate from none other than Simon Keyes, the defendant from case 2]]. The case is to this day, the case in the franchise with the highest amount of people and evidence involved(27 people and 33 evidences, no clean ups). [[GrandFinale Grand indeed!!]]

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** Case 5, "The Grand Turnabout". The case requires the solving of no less than [[spoiler:three murders(President murders (President Huang, his double double, and Jill Crane's lover), four kidnappings(Kay, kidnappings (Kay, John, Sebastian Sebastian, and the SS-5 Incident), the actions of two serial killers(deKiller killers (de Killer and Dogen), the disappearance of two children(Gustavia's children (Gustavia and Dover's sons) and the resolution of a 12 year long 12-year-long case that was never solved and that put the Lang clan to shame. All being manipulate from none other than Simon Keyes, the defendant from case 2]]. The case is is, to this day, the case only one in the franchise with the highest amount of people and evidence involved(27 involved (27 people and 33 evidences, no clean ups). [[GrandFinale Grand indeed!!]]indeed!]]



* DracoInLeatherPants: [[spoiler:Most fans seem to only acknowledge Knightley's Pet The Dog moments with the Big Bad while glossing over his more unlikable qualities.]]

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* DracoInLeatherPants: [[spoiler:Most fans seem to only acknowledge Knightley's Pet The Dog PetTheDog moments with the Big Bad while glossing over his more unlikable qualities.]]



* InternetBackdraft: The sequel not being released in the West due to the first ''Ace Attorney Investigations'' selling poorly. Fans are still clamoring for it to come stateside. At least a translation came over.

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* InternetBackdraft: The sequel not being released in the West due to the first ''Ace Attorney Investigations'' selling poorly. Fans are still clamoring for it to come stateside. At least a translation FanTranslation came over.



* MagnificentBastard: The BigBad of the second game certainly qualifies. He manipulates everyone and everything including ''Edgeworth'' to achieve his goal of revenge on targets that include [[spoiler: former chief prosecutor and a ''president''(well, his body double but still)]] and succeeds at taking down all of them, while covering tracks so well that in the end [[spoiler: he's just one piece of evidence away from becoming a KarmaHoudini]]. All while maintaining [[TheDogWasTheMastermind innocent facade the whole time]].

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* MagnificentBastard: The BigBad of the second game certainly qualifies. He manipulates everyone and everything including ''Edgeworth'' to achieve his goal of revenge on targets that include [[spoiler: former chief prosecutor and a ''president''(well, ''president'' (Well, his body double double, but still)]] and succeeds at taking down all of them, while covering tracks so well that in the end [[spoiler: he's just one piece of evidence away from becoming a KarmaHoudini]]. All while maintaining [[TheDogWasTheMastermind innocent facade the whole time]].



* {{Narm}}: Justine's [[spoiler:[[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/c/c3/J-Idle7.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140206181121 "panicked"]] animation]] is supposed to be dramatic but it looks...more [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything sensual?]]

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* {{Narm}}: Justine's [[spoiler:[[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/c/c3/J-Idle7.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140206181121 "panicked"]] animation]] is supposed to be dramatic but it looks... more [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything sensual?]]



* UnintentionallySympathetic: True, Patricia Roland ultimately brought the [[spoiler:combined]] threat of Sirhan Dogen [[spoiler:and Simon Keyes]] upon herself after her past misdeeds, but her motive (she killed Horace Knightley to eliminate a potential threat to her and her family's safety as well as to frame Dogen so he would have to be transferred to a maximum-security prison and no longer have the ability to be a threat) is difficult to fault, given its self-defensive and MamaBear-ish nature. She does loose some sympathy [[spoiler: when it turns out she helped in the murders of President Huang and Jack Cameron and making it look like a kidnapping. That's not to mention that it's possible that she was lying about her family being threatened since Sirhan only mentioned to blackmail her about the SS-5 Incident and that Simon's memories imply that she would torture him to guarantee that he wouldn't tlk about what he saw.]]

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: True, Patricia Roland ultimately brought the [[spoiler:combined]] threat of Sirhan Dogen [[spoiler:and Simon Keyes]] upon herself after her past misdeeds, but her motive (she [[spoiler:(she killed Horace Knightley to eliminate a potential threat to her and her family's safety as well as to frame Dogen so he would have to be transferred to a maximum-security prison and no longer have the ability to be a threat) threat)]] is difficult to fault, given its self-defensive and MamaBear-ish nature. She does loose lose some sympathy [[spoiler: when it turns out she helped in the murders of President Huang and Jack Cameron and making it look like a kidnapping. That's not to mention that it's possible that she was lying about her family being threatened since Sirhan only mentioned to blackmail her about the SS-5 Incident and that Simon's memories imply that she would torture him to guarantee that he wouldn't tlk about what he saw.]]



** In ''2'', [[spoiler: People cutting off Sebastian mid-sentence, clearing their throats to make him stop talking, having his testimonies called stupid by ''Gumshoe and Larry'', and Franziska whipping Sebastian for being stupid gets much less humorous after the end of case 4 where his own father berates him in front of everyone else that everything he brags on about was actually thanks to Blaise's influence and nepotism, and that he's too stupid to be his son for not even realizing it and a shame to his dad. Even after that, just a mere few minutes later he was kidnapped and woke up in ''his own garage'', leading him to think that his dad's men kidnapped him on purpose and really does hate him.]]
--->[[spoiler:'''Sebastian:''' You don't understand, Mr. Edgeworth! I lost everything I had this morning! *cue 5 Logic Chess pieces*]]

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** In ''2'', ''Investigations 2'', [[spoiler: People cutting off Sebastian mid-sentence, clearing their throats to make him stop talking, having his testimonies called stupid by ''Gumshoe and Larry'', and Franziska whipping Sebastian for being stupid gets much less humorous after humorous. After the end of case 4 where his own father berates him in front of everyone else that everything he brags on about was actually thanks to Blaise's influence and nepotism, and that he's too stupid to be his son for not even realizing it and a shame to his dad. Even after that, just a mere few minutes later he was kidnapped and woke up in ''his own garage'', leading him to think that his dad's men kidnapped him on purpose and really does hate him.]]
--->[[spoiler:'''Sebastian:''' You don't understand, Mr. Edgeworth! I lost everything I had this morning! *cue 5 Logic Chess pieces*]]morning!]]
29th Sep '17 6:08:51 PM supernintendo128
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* MemeticMolester: Ray Shields refers himself as "Uncle Ray" and has a penchant for offering hugs and candy to everyone.

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* MemeticMolester: Ray Shields refers himself as "Uncle Ray" and has a penchant for offering hugs and candy to everyone.everyone [[AmbiguouslyBi (even the guys)]].
17th Jul '17 11:20:12 AM OlfinBedwere
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* DisappointingLastLevel: Most fans criticize "Turnabout Ablaze" for dragging out the final confrontation [[MarathonBoss way too long]]. That entire interrogation alone takes at least about two hours. And just when you think it's finally over, it's not. This eventually makes the ending more tedious than satisfying, compared to the other games which had much better climaxes. And even without taking in account the final boss, some fans argue this finale simply doesn't get you invested like the others do.
** Subverted with the 2nd game's final case. It is paced much better than "Turnabout Ablaze", only having one real road bump near the beginning only because it was tying up the loose ends from case 4 rather then dealing with the current murder at hand.

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* DisappointingLastLevel: DisappointingLastLevel:
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Most fans criticize "Turnabout Ablaze" for dragging out the final confrontation [[MarathonBoss way too long]]. That entire interrogation alone takes at least about two hours. And just when you think it's finally over, it's not. This eventually makes the ending more tedious than satisfying, compared to the other games which had much better climaxes. And even without taking in account the final boss, some fans argue this finale simply doesn't get you invested like the others do.
do. At the very least it's widely regarded as the weakest final level in an ''Ace Attorney'' game, with some fans even going so far as to consider it up there with the likes of "Turnabout Big Top" and "Turnabout Serenade" as one of the absolute worst cases in the entire franchise.
** Subverted Averted with the 2nd game's final case. It is paced much better than "Turnabout Ablaze", only having one real road bump near the beginning only because it was tying up the loose ends from case 4 rather then dealing with the current murder at hand.
2nd Mar '17 9:10:28 AM Arcana4th
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* MostWonderfulSound: When "The Great Truth Burglar " plays in case 4, due to showing that [[spoiler:Kay is back to her normal self!]]
1st Mar '17 4:55:10 PM Arcana4th
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* BestLevelEver:
** Case 5, "The Grand Turnabout". The case requires the solving of no less than [[spoiler:three murders(President Huang, his double and Jill Crane's lover), four kidnappings(Kay, John, Sebastian and the SS-5 Incident), the actions of two serial killers(deKiller and Dogen), the disappearance of two children(Gustavia's and Dover's sons) and the resolution of a 12 year long case that was never solved and that put the Lang clan to shame. All being manipulate from none other than Simon Keyes, the defendant from case 2]]. The case is to this day, the case in the franchise with the highest amount of people and evidence involved(27 people and 33 evidences, no clean ups). [[GrandFinale Grand indeed!!]]
** Case 3 is also a quite loved one. Not only for the interesting case itself, but also for the opportunity of playing as Gregory Edgeworth.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: True, Patricia Roland ultimately brought the [[spoiler:combined]] threat of Sirhan Dogen [[spoiler:and Simon Keyes]] upon herself after her past misdeeds, but her motive (she killed Horace Knightley to eliminate a potential threat to her and her family's safety as well as to frame Dogen so he would have to be transferred to a maximum-security prison and no longer have the ability to be a threat) is difficult to fault, given its self-defensive and MamaBear-ish nature. She does loose some sympathy [[spoiler: when it turns out she helped in the murders of President Huang and Jack Cameron and making it look like a kidnapping.]]

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: True, Patricia Roland ultimately brought the [[spoiler:combined]] threat of Sirhan Dogen [[spoiler:and Simon Keyes]] upon herself after her past misdeeds, but her motive (she killed Horace Knightley to eliminate a potential threat to her and her family's safety as well as to frame Dogen so he would have to be transferred to a maximum-security prison and no longer have the ability to be a threat) is difficult to fault, given its self-defensive and MamaBear-ish nature. She does loose some sympathy [[spoiler: when it turns out she helped in the murders of President Huang and Jack Cameron and making it look like a kidnapping. That's not to mention that it's possible that she was lying about her family being threatened since Sirhan only mentioned to blackmail her about the SS-5 Incident and that Simon's memories imply that she would torture him to guarantee that he wouldn't tlk about what he saw.]]



** In [=AAI2=], it's the Logic Chess battle against [[spoiler:Sebastian]]. It's the longest and most annoying Logic Chess battle in the game.

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** In [=AAI2=], it's the Logic Chess battle against [[spoiler:Sebastian]]. It's the longest and most annoying Logic Chess battle in the game. This is somewhat justified and lampshaded, [[spoiler:at that moment, Sebastian has become a blubbering mess drenched in his own desperation and self-loathing, with Miles constantly mentioning that Sebastian is in his [[DespairEventHorizon emotional and psychological limit]]. Kay and Miles admit they need to take it easy on the Logic Chess(something Miles has never done before) in order to not break the boy completely. Three out of the 5 questionings in the play are actually related to bring Sebastian back from his HeroicBSOD rather than attempting to get information]].
7th Jan '17 7:11:42 PM Drope
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* MemeticMolestor: Ray Shields refers himself as "Uncle Ray" and has a penchant for offering hugs and candy to everyone.

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* MemeticMolestor: MemeticMolester: Ray Shields refers himself as "Uncle Ray" and has a penchant for offering hugs and candy to everyone.
12th Dec '16 8:21:10 PM rjd1922
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* CompleteMonster: While initially seeming like a [[EvilOldFolks frail and kind individual]], BigBad [[spoiler: [[AssInAmbassador Quercus Alba]]]] turns out to be the hardened, cold-hearted boss of a large and powerful smuggling ring. Thanks to him putting many highly-convincing counterfeit bills into circulation, the country of Zheng Fa has been thrown into economic chaos due to his machinations. He also ordered the deaths of Cece Yew, Deid Mann, and Byrne Faraday due to their efforts in trying to expose his role in the smuggling ring, and personally murdered Mask*[=DeMasque=] II and his subordinate Manny Coachen: [=DeMasque=] II for stealing the fake statue that contained the plates used for creating counterfeit bills, and Coachen due to him seeking to steal power of the smuggling ring from under [[spoiler: Alba's]] nose. Ruthless and rotten to the core, [[spoiler: Alba]] will kill anyone without so much as a second thought for the sake of keeping his criminal empire running.

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* CompleteMonster: While initially seeming like a [[EvilOldFolks frail and kind individual]], BigBad [[spoiler: [[AssInAmbassador Quercus Alba]]]] turns out to be the hardened, cold-hearted boss of a large and powerful smuggling ring. Thanks to him putting many highly-convincing counterfeit bills into circulation, the country of Zheng Fa has been thrown into economic chaos due to his machinations. He also ordered the deaths of Cece Yew, Deid Mann, and Byrne Faraday due to their efforts in trying to expose his role in the smuggling ring, and personally murdered Mask*[=DeMasque=] II Ka-Shi Nou and his subordinate Manny Coachen: [=DeMasque=] II Nou for stealing the fake statue that contained the plates used for creating counterfeit bills, and Coachen due to him seeking to steal power of the smuggling ring from under [[spoiler: Alba's]] nose. Ruthless and rotten to the core, [[spoiler: Alba]] will kill anyone without so much as a second thought for the sake of keeping his criminal empire running.
29th Nov '16 7:40:47 PM dotchan
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* MemeticMolestor: Ray Shields refers himself as "Uncle Ray" and has a penchant for offering hugs and candy to everyone.
21st Nov '16 10:45:57 AM mario0987
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: True, Patricia Roland ultimately brought the [[spoiler:combined]] threat of Sirhan Dogen [[spoiler:and Simon Keyes]] upon herself after her past misdeeds, but her motive (she killed Horace Knightley to eliminate a potential threat to her and her family's safety as well as to frame Dogen so he would have to be transferred to a maximum-security prison and no longer have the ability to be a threat) is difficult to fault, given its self-defensive and MamaBear-ish nature.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Justine is supposed to come off as merciless to lawbreakers and stuck [[spoiler: in a very compromising situation involving Blaise coercing her and her nephew being kidnapped.]] But this is before she spent three cases hindering Edgeworth's investigation, [[spoiler: using forged evidence to convict an innocent girl]], and generally just being a giant bitch.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: True, Patricia Roland ultimately brought the [[spoiler:combined]] threat of Sirhan Dogen [[spoiler:and Simon Keyes]] upon herself after her past misdeeds, but her motive (she killed Horace Knightley to eliminate a potential threat to her and her family's safety as well as to frame Dogen so he would have to be transferred to a maximum-security prison and no longer have the ability to be a threat) is difficult to fault, given its self-defensive and MamaBear-ish nature.
nature. She does loose some sympathy [[spoiler: when it turns out she helped in the murders of President Huang and Jack Cameron and making it look like a kidnapping.]]
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Justine is supposed to come off as merciless to lawbreakers and stuck [[spoiler: in a very compromising situation involving Blaise coercing her and her nephew / adoptive son being kidnapped.]] But this is However, before the reveal that [[spoiler: she was working to take down Blaise]] she spent three two cases hindering Edgeworth's investigation, [[spoiler: using used forged evidence to convict an innocent girl]], girl for a crime she knew Blaise was responsible for]], and was generally just being a giant bitch.



** Justine Courtney. Many people love her for her unique design and [[spoiler: her takedown of Blaise in the 4th case, as well as doting behavior for her son and, to a lesser extent, trying to help Sebastian.]] Many others hate her because she enables Sebastian's poor decision making, and is generally a huge bitch towards Edgeworth. Even her fans hate her behaviour at the beginning of the 4th case, when she [[spoiler: dismisses herself as a suspect, then uses evidence she is fully aware is fabricated to pin Jill's murder on Kay.]]

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** Justine Courtney. Many people love her for her unique design and [[spoiler: her takedown of Blaise in the 4th case, as well as doting behavior for her son and, to a lesser extent, trying to help Sebastian.]] Many others hate her because she enables Sebastian's poor decision making, obstructs Edgeworth at every turn and is generally a huge bitch towards Edgeworth. Even her fans hate her behaviour at the beginning of the 4th case, when she [[spoiler: dismisses herself as a suspect, then uses evidence she is fully aware is fabricated to pin Jill's murder on Kay.]]
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