History YMMV / ADollsHouse

8th May '18 3:39:07 PM Caps-luna
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* ValuesResonance: Suffice to say its themes have struck a cord with anyone who believes in female rights.
* ValuesDissonance: However Nora's decision to leave her children is if anything ''more'' controversial now. For all his flaws, the audience in the late 1800s could expect that Torvald would attempt to raise the children right. However to a modern audience with increased awareness of child abuse and parental neglect the situation with Torvald and the children can easily be seen as a powder-keg for childhood trauma. The decision today would be treated with a little more moral ambiguity.[[note]]especially since nowadays a woman has ''far'' more say in the decision to have children and many people would make the argument that a woman has a responsibility for choosing to have children where in the late 1800s there was much less choice in the matter.[[/note]]
10th Dec '16 5:48:36 PM bt8257
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** A less elaborate example: Nora is often portrayed as a naïve victim of a domineering Torvald, but she can also be interpreted as the HypercompetentSidekick of a ManChild who is totally oblivious to how much work his wife puts into maintaining the façade of security and respectability that lets him see himself as a self-made success.

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** A less elaborate example: Nora is often portrayed as a naïve victim of a domineering Torvald, but she can also be interpreted as the HypercompetentSidekick HyperCompetentSidekick of a ManChild who is totally oblivious to how much work his wife puts into maintaining the façade of security and respectability that lets him see himself as a self-made success.



* WriterRevolt: The "happy" ending written to appease the MoralGuardians only comes about because Torvald guilt-trips Nora into staying by way of "ThinkOfTheChildren"; and Nora considers this a FateWorseThanDeath.

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* WriterRevolt: The "happy" ending written to appease the MoralGuardians only comes about because Torvald guilt-trips Nora into staying by way of "ThinkOfTheChildren"; and Nora considers this a FateWorseThanDeath.FateWorseThanDeath.
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10th Dec '16 5:48:36 PM bt8257
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14th Jan '16 7:00:53 PM StarSword
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: An only moderately altered interpretation of Nora has the side effect of altering the entire play. In the conventional reading, Nora is a naive innocent who gets a harsh lesson in the world and grows up to move out. A wholly different interpretation is that we're actually seeing a plot involving several conspirators, organized by Nora, to break her tyrannical husband's hold. The Doctor being "ill" is a setup—he's fine and the card with the X through it is a signal he's ready for Nora to take off with him as they've obviously had a thing going on. Nils Krogstad's reasons for going along with the setup are obvious (knowing he's on the chopping block at work because of Torvald, he has nothing to lose and everything to gain revenge-wise) and Nora is also, more kindly, masterminding the reunion of Krogstad with his old girlfriend and her old friend, Christine, who's been the victim of a similar domestic tyranny. Nora is in fact a DiabolicalMastermind[=/=]MagnificentBitch orchestrating her husband's downfall.

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An only moderately altered interpretation of Nora has the side effect of altering the entire play. In the conventional reading, Nora is a naive innocent who gets a harsh lesson in the world and grows up to move out. A wholly different interpretation is that we're actually seeing a plot involving several conspirators, organized by Nora, to break her tyrannical husband's hold. The Doctor being "ill" is a setup—he's fine and the card with the X through it is a signal he's ready for Nora to take off with him as they've obviously had a thing going on. Nils Krogstad's reasons for going along with the setup are obvious (knowing he's on the chopping block at work because of Torvald, he has nothing to lose and everything to gain revenge-wise) and Nora is also, more kindly, masterminding the reunion of Krogstad with his old girlfriend and her old friend, Christine, who's been the victim of a similar domestic tyranny. Nora is in fact a DiabolicalMastermind[=/=]MagnificentBitch orchestrating her husband's downfall.
7th Feb '15 8:30:32 AM sgamer82
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* WhyWouldAnyoneTakeThemBack: ZigZagged. Torvald berates Nora viciously, then just as abruptly decides to forgive her because she is like a child and knows no better. She allows him to hug her and tell her how much he loves her, leaves to get changed - and walks back in with a suitcase to announce that she's leaving him.

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* WhyWouldAnyoneTakeThemBack: WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack: ZigZagged. Torvald berates Nora viciously, then just as abruptly decides to forgive her because she is like a child and knows no better. She allows him to hug her and tell her how much he loves her, leaves to get changed - and walks back in with a suitcase to announce that she's leaving him.
27th Jan '15 8:18:10 AM hbi2k
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* WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack: Averted. Torvald berates Nora viciously, then just as abruptly decides to forgive her because she is like a child and knows no better. She allows him to hug her and tell her how much he loves her, leaves to get changed - and walks back in with a suitcase to announce that she's leaving him.

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* WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack: Averted.WhyWouldAnyoneTakeThemBack: ZigZagged. Torvald berates Nora viciously, then just as abruptly decides to forgive her because she is like a child and knows no better. She allows him to hug her and tell her how much he loves her, leaves to get changed - and walks back in with a suitcase to announce that she's leaving him.
6th Nov '14 6:02:49 PM OmarKarindu
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** The "scheming Nora" idea actually begot a kind of professional DarkFic in the form of August Strindberg's ''The Father'', sometimes said to have been written in response to Ibsen's play. In that one, the wife and other really do destroy the noble husband with their selfish desires.
28th Jun '14 6:03:57 PM dvorak
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* WriterRevolt: The "happy" ending written to appease the MoralGuardians only comes about because Torvald guilt-trips her into staying by way of "ThinkOfTheChildren"; and Nora considers this a FateWorseThanDeath.

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* WriterRevolt: The "happy" ending written to appease the MoralGuardians only comes about because Torvald guilt-trips her Nora into staying by way of "ThinkOfTheChildren"; and Nora considers this a FateWorseThanDeath.
28th Jun '14 6:02:47 PM dvorak
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* WriterRevolt: The "happy" ending written to appease the MoralGuardians only comes about because Nora's husband guilt-trips her inty staying by way of "ThinkOfTheChildren"; and Nora considers this a FateWorseThanDeath.

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* WriterRevolt: The "happy" ending written to appease the MoralGuardians only comes about because Nora's husband Torvald guilt-trips her inty into staying by way of "ThinkOfTheChildren"; and Nora considers this a FateWorseThanDeath.
28th Jun '14 6:01:47 PM dvorak
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* WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack: Averted. Torvald berates Nora viciously, then just as abruptly decides to forgive her because she is like a child and knows no better. She allows him to hug her and tell her how much he loves her, leaves to get changed - and walks back in with a suitcase to announce that she's leaving him.

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* WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack: Averted. Torvald berates Nora viciously, then just as abruptly decides to forgive her because she is like a child and knows no better. She allows him to hug her and tell her how much he loves her, leaves to get changed - and walks back in with a suitcase to announce that she's leaving him.him.
* WriterRevolt: The "happy" ending written to appease the MoralGuardians only comes about because Nora's husband guilt-trips her inty staying by way of "ThinkOfTheChildren"; and Nora considers this a FateWorseThanDeath.
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