History Wrestling / VinceRusso

4th Aug '17 5:23:44 PM FordPrefect
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* CreatorThumbprint: From its first PPV till it's jump to Fox Sports Net, TNA Impact became gradually less Russo like, by 2003 one could even argue that most of the angles made sense (the occasional Monty Brown in Planet Jarrett aside). Then, in late 2006, well, the prints started to become visible again [[http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2015/06/18/bound-for-nothing-or-how-tna-died-on-october-22-2006/ after Russo was seen in the audience.]]

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* CreatorThumbprint: From its first PPV till it's its jump to Fox Sports Net, TNA Impact became gradually less Russo like, Russo-like; by 2003 2003, one could even argue that most of the angles made sense (the occasional Monty Brown in Planet Jarrett aside). Then, in late 2006, well, the prints started to become visible again [[http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2015/06/18/bound-for-nothing-or-how-tna-died-on-october-22-2006/ after Russo was seen in the audience.]]



** Russo himself claims that all the times the "Fire Russo" chant has been heard have been with segments he's not involved with. Of course at the same time he claims that all the negative things attributed to him during his stint in WCW is wrong, and he defended the "No contest in a steel cage match" fiasco.

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** Russo himself claims that all the times the "Fire Russo" chant has been heard have been with segments he's not involved with. Of course at the same time he claims that all the negative things attributed to him during his stint in WCW is are wrong, and he defended the "No contest in a steel cage match" fiasco.



* OpenSecret: TNA's "secret" rehiring of him in early 2014. A lot of his tells were there in the booking of ''Impact!'' at the time, but because nobody had proof it had mostly been denounced as a rumor at best. Then, in true stupidity, Russo would CC an email with commentary instructions for Tazz and Mike Tenay to a journalist at [=PWInsider=], outing himself. TNA tried to do damage control and make it seem like a work, only to give up when Russo came clean. There was speculation as to ''why'' it was kept a secret; the obvious one was, of course, that Wrestle-1 hated him for his perceived racism (not without merit), but Dave Meltzer claimed the main reason was because ''Creator/SpikeTV'', who was renegotiating a new TV deal for ''Impact!'' at the time, hated him too and actually pointedly instructed to Dixie ''not'' to rehire him. Spike denied this, but seeing that they announced that the deal fell through and they wouldn't be renewing the deal shortly after Russo's rehiring was revealed, it was highly doubtful anyone believed them. Considering that John Gaburick (head of TNA creative) fired Russo days later, likely in a vain attempt to save the deal, lends weight to the fact that Russo had a ''lot'' to do with the decision. Russo himself believes that the real reason Dixie kept his rehiring a secret was the fact that she feared the InternetBackdraft.

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* OpenSecret: TNA's "secret" rehiring of him in early 2014. A lot of his tells were there in the booking of ''Impact!'' at the time, but because nobody had proof it had mostly been denounced as a rumor at best. Then, in true stupidity, Russo would CC an email with commentary instructions for Tazz and Mike Tenay to a journalist at [=PWInsider=], outing himself. TNA tried to do damage control and make it seem like a work, only to give up when Russo came clean. There was speculation as to ''why'' it was kept a secret; the obvious one was, of course, that Wrestle-1 hated him for his perceived racism (not without merit), but Dave Meltzer claimed the main reason was because ''Creator/SpikeTV'', who was renegotiating a new TV deal for ''Impact!'' at the time, hated him too and actually pointedly instructed to Dixie ''not'' to rehire him. Spike denied this, but seeing that they announced that the deal fell through and they wouldn't be renewing the deal shortly after Russo's rehiring was revealed, it was highly doubtful anyone believed them. Considering that John Gaburick (head of TNA creative) fired firing Russo days later, likely in a vain attempt to save the deal, lends weight to the fact that Russo had a ''lot'' to do with the decision. Russo himself believes that the real reason Dixie kept his rehiring a secret was the fact that she feared the InternetBackdraft.
4th Aug '17 5:14:55 PM FordPrefect
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* AnswersToTheNameOfGod: One drove out to the ring in a Popemobile.
* AlternateCompanyEquivalent: Like Wrestling/PaulHeyman, Russo began in journalism, and is one of few (non-wrestler) bookers that most people can identify by name. Both men were collectively responsible for the Attitude Era. Funny how a pair of New Yorkers had such massive influence on a traditionally southern pastime. The main difference between them is that Heyman is considered an EvilGenius of wrestling booking, while Russo is considered a complete hack.

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* AnswersToTheNameOfGod: One Once drove out to the ring in a Popemobile.
* AlternateCompanyEquivalent: Like Wrestling/PaulHeyman, Russo began in journalism, and is one of the few (non-wrestler) bookers that most people can identify by name. Both men were collectively responsible for the Attitude Era. Funny how a pair of New Yorkers had such massive influence on a traditionally southern pastime. The main difference between them is that Heyman is considered an EvilGenius of wrestling booking, while Russo is considered a complete hack.



** Cornette's hatred for Russo is so bad that he made amends with Eric Bischoff (someone else Cornette has had a long-standing grudge against) mainly because, as Cornette said, he hates Russo as much as I do so he can't be all bad.
* AscendedExtra: Perhaps the biggest example in the industry, rivaled only by Bischoff and Wrestling/PaulHeyman. Like Paul E., Russo began in journalism, and is one of few (non-wrestler) bookers that most people can identify by name. Under [=McMahon's=] moderating influence, Russo was a useful sounding board for the company's demographic. Russo got his start by operating and hosting an AM Radio show called ''Vicious Vincent's World of Wrestling''; the program folded within a year after the crank calling from listeners got out of hand. From there he got hired a writer for ''WWE Magazine'' under the pen name "Vic Venom", had his own segment on the show ''Livewire'', and even commentated on a handful of episodes of ''Shotgun Saturday Night''.

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** Cornette's hatred for Russo is so bad that he made amends with Eric Bischoff (someone else Cornette has had a long-standing grudge against) mainly because, as Cornette said, he hates Russo as much as I do Cornette does so he can't be all bad.
* AscendedExtra: Perhaps the biggest example in the industry, rivaled only by Bischoff and Wrestling/PaulHeyman. Like Paul E., Russo began in journalism, and is one of the few (non-wrestler) bookers that most people can identify by name. Under [=McMahon's=] moderating influence, Russo was a useful sounding board for the company's demographic. Russo got his start by operating and hosting an AM Radio show called ''Vicious Vincent's World of Wrestling''; the program folded within a year after the crank calling from listeners got out of hand. From there he got hired as a writer for ''WWE Magazine'' under the pen name "Vic Venom", had his own segment on the show ''Livewire'', and even commentated on a handful of episodes of ''Shotgun Saturday Night''.
4th Jun '17 6:15:42 AM system
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2nd Jun '17 9:35:40 PM candleeater
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** Booker T v. Big T (Ahmed Johnson) over [[NamesTheSame who owns the rights]] to the letter "T". And Booker T lost, so he had to go around just being Booker.

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** **[[invoked]] Booker T v. Big T (Ahmed Johnson) over [[NamesTheSame who owns the rights]] to the letter "T". And Booker T lost, so he had to go around just being Booker.
2nd Jun '17 9:35:23 PM candleeater
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** Booker T v. Big T (Ahmed Johnson) over [[NamesTheSame who owns the rights]] to the letter "T". And Booker T lost, so he had to go around just being Booker.
2nd Jun '17 8:52:43 PM candleeater
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* NoFourthWall: Russo was the right person at the right moment, when the Hulkamanics from the [=80s=] began to see that wrestling is not real. [[Wrestling/JimCornette Cornette]] is on the other end of the spectrum, wishing every audience was like Louisville, Kentucky in the [=70s=]. It's basically the same argument, though: Russo's outlook was "it's all fake!", and Cornette's was "you've got to make the marks think it's all a shoot!" The thing to take from each of them is that they think wrestling is dead, and maybe for them, it is.

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* NoFourthWall: Russo was the right person at the right moment, when the Hulkamanics from the [=80s=] began to see It's not so much about "revealing" that wrestling is not real. [[Wrestling/JimCornette Cornette]] is on the other end of the spectrum, wishing every audience was like Louisville, Kentucky in the [=70s=]. It's basically the same argument, though: Russo's outlook was "it's all fake!", and Cornette's was "you've got to make the marks think fake, it's all a shoot!" The thing to take from each of them is that they think about making it fake within its own universe. Other, smaller promotions, like Chikara, have experimented with post-modernism in wrestling is dead, and maybe for them, it is.with much more critical success.



** Believing his audience was composed of people who "figured out" pro wrestling, all he has to do is monkey wrench their expectations. Other, smaller promotions, like Chikara, have experimented with post-modernism in wrestling with much more critical success.

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** Believing his ** Russo was the right person at the right moment, when the Hulkamanics from the [=80s=] began to see that wrestling is not real. [[Wrestling/JimCornette Cornette]] is on the other end of the spectrum, wishing every audience was composed of people who "figured out" pro wrestling, all he has to do is monkey wrench their expectations. Other, smaller promotions, like Chikara, have experimented with post-modernism Louisville, Kentucky in the [=70s=]. It's basically the same argument, though: Russo's outlook was "it's all fake!", and Cornette's was "you've got to make the marks think it's all a shoot!" The thing to take from each of them is that they think wrestling with much more critical success. is dead, and maybe for them, it is.
2nd Jun '17 8:51:01 PM candleeater
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** The Wrestling/KevinNash vs. Wrestling/ScottSteiner vs Wrestling/BillGoldberg match (''New Blood Rising 2000''). Russo promoted it as a "real fight" between these men. Not a Street Fight, nor some other no-disqualification match; an actual, 3-way brawl between wrestlers who hated each others' guts (in real life) and refused to job (i.e. willingly lose) to one another in the ring - so they would "just fight", instead. If this was a "real" fight ,then what about all the other matches on the card between supposed rivals (and for that matter, ''every other Pro Wrestling match ever'')? Were they all fake, then? Then came the match itself, which played out in standard pro-Wrestling style, with no spontaneity. The only wild card was Goldberg, who didn't come out at the start of the match and, when he did arrive, "refused to cooperate" with Nash, not letting Nash Powerbomb him. He then walked out on the match, causing the announcers to remark that he had "deviated from the script."\\\
So just to be clear, this was a real-life fight between three men who hated each other except it was actually a scripted wrestling match which became real when one of them deviated from the script and then became fake again when the other participants finished the match, but it was still more real than any of the countless other fake wrestling matches the company had staged. Apparently this idea was so ingenious he used it again ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cZtuwjdPJU the very next month.]]''

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** The Wrestling/KevinNash vs. Wrestling/ScottSteiner vs Wrestling/BillGoldberg match (''New Blood Rising 2000''). Russo promoted it as a "real fight" between these men. Not a Street Fight, nor some other no-disqualification match; an actual, 3-way brawl between wrestlers who hated each others' guts (in real life) and refused to job (i.e. willingly lose) to one another in the ring - so they would "just fight", instead. If this was a "real" fight ,then what about all the other matches on the card between supposed rivals (and for that matter, ''every other Pro Wrestling match ever'')? Were they all fake, then? Then came the match itself, which played out in standard pro-Wrestling style, with no spontaneity. style: The only wild card was hint of spontaneity came Goldberg, who didn't come out enter at the start of the match and, when he did arrive, match, "refused to cooperate" with Nash, not letting Nash Powerbomb him. He Schiavone freaked out saying how it was proof they were winging it, since Nash never uses that move or something. Goldberg then walked out on the match, causing the announcers to remark that he had "deviated from the script."\\\
So just to be clear, this was a real-life fight between three men who hated each other except it was actually a scripted wrestling match which became real when one of them deviated from the script script, and then became fake again when the other participants finished the match, but it was still more real than any of the countless other fake wrestling matches the company had staged. match. Apparently this idea was so ingenious that he used it again ''[[https://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cZtuwjdPJU the very next month.]]'']]
1st Jun '17 11:42:55 AM candleeater
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* AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs: Russo and David Flair were aligned at the time. There was a video of him invading Ric Flair's "home" and creeping on a young {{Wrestling/Charlotte}}. Russo also took one of Ric's robes, before his wife and his other children arrived home and kicked him out!

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* AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs: Russo and David Flair were aligned at the time. There was a video of him invading Ric Flair's "home" and creeping on at a young {{Wrestling/Charlotte}}. Russo also took one of Ric's robes, before his wife and his other children arrived home and kicked him out!
1st Jun '17 11:42:31 AM candleeater
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* AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs: Russo and David Flair were aligned at the time. They barged into Ric's mansion, did a tour of the house.... Even took one of his robes before Ric's wife and their other children arrived home and kicked him out!

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* AllYourBaseAreBelongToUs: Russo and David Flair were aligned at the time. They barged into Ric's mansion, did There was a tour video of the house.... Even him invading Ric Flair's "home" and creeping on a young {{Wrestling/Charlotte}}. Russo also took one of his robes before Ric's robes, before his wife and their his other children arrived home and kicked him out!



* AnswersToTheNameOfGod: He once drove out to the ring in a [[https://gfycat.com/SelfreliantFlippantBactrian Popemobile.]]

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* AnswersToTheNameOfGod: He once drove out to the ring in a Russo building his own [[https://gfycat.com/SelfreliantFlippantBactrian Popemobile.]]Popemobile]], driven by Jeremy Borash, to stay safe from Goldberg. It's like a [[Wrestling/MichaelCole Cole Mine]] on wheels! (But that truck isn't swerving nearly enough for Russo's liking.)


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** Vince Russo loved his angles involving vehicles probably even more than his pole matches.
1st Jun '17 10:51:58 AM candleeater
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* AnswersToTheNameOfGod: He once drove out to the ring in a Popemobile.

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* AnswersToTheNameOfGod: He once drove out to the ring in a [[https://gfycat.com/SelfreliantFlippantBactrian Popemobile.]]
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