History WhatMeasureIsANonHuman / LiveActionTV

4th Jun '17 1:56:19 AM Flame
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** ''Series/KamenRiderFaiz'' is pretty much based entirely around exploring this trope. With Orphenoch protagonists getting as much screentime as the Riders, and the second Rider's hatred of them regardless of alignment being only one of his many {{Jerkass}} qualities. It helps that the "monsters" are formerly human, and generally forced or bribed into evil.



*** [[spoiler: Emotions play big role in this. Eiji and Hina spent most of the story around Ankh and came to like him, so it's obvious they would be upset over the thought of him dying. Being a Greed doesn't have anything to do with it.]]



** ''Series/KamenRiderFaiz'' is pretty much based entirely around exploring this trope. With Orphenoch protagonists getting as much screentime as the Riders, and the second Rider's hatred of them regardless of alignment being only one of his many {{Jerkass}} qualities. It helps that the "monsters" are formerly human, and generally forced or bribed into evil.
** ''Series/KamenRiderDrive'' plays with this in a very complicated fashion that lingers heavily on the point of view and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.[[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Roimundes]] are shown to be sentient and as capable of emotion as humans. The problem is that they are, by programming and other causes, very rarely anything else than AlwaysChaoticEvil. [[TheHero Shinnosuke]] usually doesn't have any issue with fighting them because they cause suffering and chaos, but doesn't have problem with accepting the ones, who do not. On the other hand, the second rider,[[RedOniBlueOni Gou]] holds the adamant resolution that all Roimundes are evil and throws a nasty fit when proved otherwise. From the point of Roimundes, they are as worthy as humans and what the riders do is a slaughter.

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** ''Series/KamenRiderFaiz'' is pretty much based entirely around exploring this trope. With Orphenoch protagonists getting as much screentime as the Riders, and the second Rider's hatred of them regardless of alignment being only one of his many {{Jerkass}} qualities. It helps that the "monsters" are formerly human, and generally forced or bribed into evil.
** ''Series/KamenRiderDrive'' plays with this in a very complicated fashion that lingers heavily on the point of view and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Roimundes]] are shown to be sentient and as capable of emotion as humans. The problem is that they are, by programming and other causes, very rarely anything else than AlwaysChaoticEvil. [[TheHero Shinnosuke]] usually doesn't have any issue with fighting them because they cause suffering and chaos, but doesn't have problem with accepting the ones, who do not. On the other hand, the second rider,[[RedOniBlueOni rider, [[RedOniBlueOni Gou]] holds the adamant resolution that all Roimundes are evil and throws a nasty fit when proved otherwise. From the point of Roimundes, they are as worthy as humans and what the riders do is a slaughter.slaughter.
** ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' provides a ziggzagged example. Resident MonsterOfTheWeek species, Bugsters are videogame characters that spawn in real world by infecting people in form of virus. As such, they are bound by their programming and thus only capable of emotion or independent thought as much as it allows. Usually, there is no way to save the patient without destroying the Bugster spawned. Most Bugsters are violent because they were programmed as villains of their respective games. [[TheHeart Emu]] has some succes trying to reason with the benign ones. Other Doctor riders don't have such moral compunctions if presented oppurtunity.
*** The matter is brought up by de facto leader of Bugsters, [[EnigmaticMinion Pallad]]. He calls humans out on being hypocritical by creating video games only to have [[DesignatedVillain designated villains]] they could beat up to feel better about themselves. From his point of view Bugsters matter as much as humans do. If it doesn't matter if they were defeated according to game rules, because that's how it's supposed to be. They can respawn indefinitely. He objects only to their DesignatedVillain position.
12th Apr '17 2:48:38 AM Flame
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** ''Series/KamenRiderDrive'' plays with this in a very complicated fashion that lingers heavily on the point of view and AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.[[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Roimundes]] are shown to be sentient and as capable of emotion as humans. The problem is that they are, by programming and other causes, very rarely anything else than AlwaysChaoticEvil. [[TheHero Shinnosuke]] usually doesn't have any issue with fighting them because they cause suffering and chaos, but doesn't have problem with accepting the ones, who do not. On the other hand, the second rider,[[RedOniBlueOni Gou]] holds the adamant resolution that all Roimundes are evil and throws a nasty fit when proved otherwise. From the point of Roimundes, they are as worthy as humans and what the riders do is a slaughter.
19th Mar '17 10:29:33 AM Sammettik
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* However, ChouSeiKantaiSazerX, an indirect sequel to Gransazer, heavily averts this trope by having some of the major characters being aliens played by PeopleInRubberSuits. These major characters all survive. On the flipside, most of the human looking villains unceremoniously die, one of them being a victim to having [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness outlived her usefulness]] to the BigBad.

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* However, ChouSeiKantaiSazerX, ''Series/ChouSeiKantaiSazerX,'' an indirect sequel to Gransazer, heavily averts this trope by having some of the major characters being aliens played by PeopleInRubberSuits. These major characters all survive. On the flipside, most of the human looking villains unceremoniously die, one of them being a victim to having [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness outlived her usefulness]] to the BigBad.
17th Feb '17 4:04:12 AM Morgenthaler
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** In season six, we find out that all these supernatural creatures [[spoiler:are created by the children of one Mother and tend toward AlwaysChaoticEvil, especially when she's around.]] In season seven, we see that it's still possible for at least one monster to choose not to give in to TheDarkSide most of the time. Every time a monster or witch doesn't act evil, though, it never seems to last--resulting in the [[TheHunter Hunters']] [[VigilanteMan position]] making more sense.

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** In season six, we find out that all these supernatural creatures [[spoiler:are created by the children of one Mother and tend toward AlwaysChaoticEvil, especially when she's around.]] In season seven, we see that it's still possible for at least one monster to choose not to give in to TheDarkSide most of the time. Every time a monster or witch doesn't act evil, though, it never seems to last--resulting in the [[TheHunter [[HunterOfMonsters Hunters']] [[VigilanteMan position]] making more sense.
13th Jan '17 8:05:27 PM Xtifr
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** ''UltramanCosmos'' tamed the ''monsters'', in the ultimate subversion. However, many were killed by [[BigBad Chaos]].

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** ''UltramanCosmos'' ''Series/UltramanCosmos'' tamed the ''monsters'', in the ultimate subversion. However, many were killed by [[BigBad Chaos]].
30th Oct '16 3:55:09 PM nombretomado
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* ''HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys'' explores the question in an episode which reveals that most of the mythological monsters Hercules killed during the first season were, at one point, just as sentient and emotionally complex as anyone else. Though it's played for comedy at first, as Hercules learns all this from their bumbling GentleGiant father, it comes to a dramatic head when he finds out that Hercules has killed them all: the ensuing fight's only resolved when a regretful Hercules (now realizing that he'd unfairly dismissed them as mindless monsters) convinces him that there really wasn't any other option, since BigBad Hera had brainwashed them into becoming her evil minions.

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* ''HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys'' ''Series/HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys'' explores the question in an episode which reveals that most of the mythological monsters Hercules killed during the first season were, at one point, just as sentient and emotionally complex as anyone else. Though it's played for comedy at first, as Hercules learns all this from their bumbling GentleGiant father, it comes to a dramatic head when he finds out that Hercules has killed them all: the ensuing fight's only resolved when a regretful Hercules (now realizing that he'd unfairly dismissed them as mindless monsters) convinces him that there really wasn't any other option, since BigBad Hera had brainwashed them into becoming her evil minions.
2nd Oct '16 8:10:32 PM Fireblood
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* ''{{Series/Westworld}}'': The androids are used as something to kill or have sex with (whether consensual or not within the storyline) by many guests. Some who begin to malfunction eventually realize what happens to them, and want revenge.
21st Jul '16 1:31:57 PM flootzavut
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** When Willow goes dark and on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge against Warren after he shoots Buffy and Tara, killing the former, Buffy is literally the ''only'' one of the Scoobies who wants Warren to face human justice for his crimes, while Xander and Dawn are so disgusted and pissed that they openly support Willow's intent to kill; after she succeeds, even Buffy reluctantly admits that Warren ''may'' have deserved to die. Nonetheless, the Scoobies all rally to defend Warren's ex-cohorts, who Willow is [[MisplacedRetribution now targeting]], because they had done nothing to deserve death.

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** When Willow goes dark and on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge against Warren after he shoots Buffy and Tara, killing the former, latter, Buffy is literally the ''only'' one of the Scoobies who wants Warren to face human justice for his crimes, while Xander and Dawn are so disgusted and pissed that they openly support Willow's intent to kill; after she succeeds, even Buffy reluctantly admits that Warren ''may'' have deserved to die. Nonetheless, the Scoobies all rally to defend Warren's ex-cohorts, who Willow is [[MisplacedRetribution now targeting]], because they had done nothing to deserve death.
3rd Dec '15 3:56:39 PM DarkHunter
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** This is even inverted at one point: an Unas named Chakka captures Daniel on a hunt as part of a rite of passage in his tribe, but by the end is arguing with his people that Daniel is an intelligent being, not an animal, and thus should not be ritually killed.
3rd Dec '15 3:53:58 PM DarkHunter
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** This issue is also addressed with the Unas in a number of episodes. Their body language unfortunately comes across to humans as somewhat aggressive, so they can seem quite menacing, but Daniel learns how to communicate with them a bit and finds that most Unas are really just peaceful people who are, at worst, rather suspicious of outsides to their tribes. He gets rather peeved when other people treat them like animals.

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** This issue is also addressed with the Unas in a number of episodes. Their body language unfortunately comes across to humans as somewhat aggressive, so they can seem quite menacing, but Daniel learns how to communicate with them a bit and finds that most Unas are really just peaceful people who are, at worst, rather suspicious of outsides outsiders to their tribes. He gets rather peeved when other people treat them like animals.
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