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26th Nov '16 6:59:32 AM StFan
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24th Sep '16 12:36:55 PM Scorntex
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* ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'' explored this concerning Nicole the Holo-Lynx with the ''Sonic Universe'' storyline "Spark of Life". Dr. Ellidy, Nicole's [[spoiler:accidental]] creator, is very put off around Nicole [[spoiler:due to the fact that Nicole was actually his daughter, Nikki, who died during an attempt to save her life by digitizing her.]] This attitude concerns Sally, who even asks Big the Cat his thoughts on Nicole, who likes her just because she's nice. When the digital lifeform Phage causes trouble in Ellidy's systems and Nicole's in danger, Sally opts to be digitized herself to save her friend. When Ellidy tries to stop Sally from doing it because she's a princess risking her life, she essentially puts him in his place by telling him to never suggest that Nicole isn't a person worth saving.

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* ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'' explored this concerning Nicole the Holo-Lynx with the ''Sonic Universe'' storyline "Spark of Life". Dr. Ellidy, Nicole's [[spoiler:accidental]] creator, is very put off around Nicole [[spoiler:due to the fact that Nicole was actually his daughter, Nikki, who died during an attempt to save her life by digitizing her.]] This attitude concerns Sally, who even asks Big the Cat his thoughts on Nicole, who likes her just because she's nice. When the digital lifeform Phage causes trouble in Ellidy's systems and Nicole's in danger, Sally opts to be digitized herself to save her friend. When Ellidy tries to stop Sally from doing it because she's a princess risking her life, she essentially puts him in his place by telling him to never suggest that Nicole isn't a person worth saving.saving.
* An ''ComicBook/AgeOfUltron'' tie-in has a harsh aversion. Ultron's drone army are just mechanical drones, but they're considered just alive enough to kick the Ebony Blade's curse (which is fuelled by taking life) into overdrive, leaving the Black Knight out of the action.
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20th Sep '16 1:45:55 AM Tron80
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* The Bizarros in [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Franchise/{{Superman}} stories were another example. Made of "non-living matter", having them killed off was often a source for comedy; they even made a meteor plunge into one of their cities and kill a lot of Bizarros, on the grounds that Bizarros do things backwards so they want to maximize casualties. This was played as a pure joke.
* Comicbook/GhostRider, at least in his 90s incarnation, did not kill even the most inhuman of humans, to the point where his apparent destruction of a ninja in one issue was retconned into that single particular ninja actually being a robot. However, he was quite happy to maim and slaughter demons and other AlwaysChaoticEvil beings, in one instance tying the photosensitive pseudovampire Blackout to the spire of the Empire State Building and letting him die a horrific burning death as the sun came up. Blackout didn't actually die and popped up on the Raft about fifteen years later, but Ghost Rider had no way of knowing that.
* Another classic Superman story from # 314 (back in 1977): Superman is faced with a dangerous alien Jevik, who he intends to destroy. When questioned about how he can kill when he has a [[ThouShaltNotKill code against killing]], he replies that Jevik is not really alive. When Jevik's heart begins to beat, Superman says that somehow he's come alive, and Superman can't kill him. Apparently for Superman, if you don't have a heartbeat he can do anything he wants to you; merely being able to walk, talk, and act on your own doesn't qualify.

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The Bizarros in [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Franchise/{{Superman}} stories were another example. Made of "non-living matter", having them killed off was often a source for comedy; they even made a meteor plunge into one of their cities and kill a lot of Bizarros, on the grounds that Bizarros do things backwards so they want to maximize casualties. This was played as a pure joke.
* Comicbook/GhostRider, at least ** In Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}/Comicbook/{{Batgirl}} story ''ComicBook/ElseworldsFinestSupergirlAndBatgirl'', Comicbook/LexLuthor [[spoiler:murdered a baby -who in his 90s incarnation, did another world would have become Superman-]] and thinks nothing of it because it was an alien, not kill even the most inhuman of humans, to the point where his apparent destruction of a ninja in one issue was retconned into that single particular ninja actually being a robot. However, he was quite happy to maim and slaughter demons and other AlwaysChaoticEvil beings, in one instance tying the photosensitive pseudovampire Blackout to the spire of the Empire State Building and letting him die a horrific burning death as the sun came up. Blackout didn't actually die and popped up on the Raft about fifteen years later, but Ghost Rider had no way of knowing that.
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Another classic Superman story from # 314 (back in 1977): Superman is faced with a dangerous alien Jevik, who he intends to destroy. When questioned about how he can kill when he has a [[ThouShaltNotKill code against killing]], he replies that Jevik is not really alive. When Jevik's heart begins to beat, Superman says that somehow he's come alive, and Superman can't kill him. Apparently for Superman, if you don't have a heartbeat he can do anything he wants to you; merely being able to walk, talk, and act on your own doesn't qualify.



* On the other hand, the Comicbook/{{Legion of Super-Heroes}}'s [[ThouShaltNotKill official rule against killing]] extends to anything sentient, including [=AIs=].

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** In the reviled ''ComicBook/SupermanAtEarthsEnd'', Superman uses "you're just an android, '''''[[MemeticMutation I AM A MAN!!]]'''''" as justification when he ''punches Ben Boxer's guts out''. There are ''many'' things wrong with this, least among them the fact that Ben Boxer is about as close to human as you can be, with emotions, a personality, and ''brothers''. Oh, and ''intestines''. This guy has ''relatives'' and can ''poop'', man, that doesn't sound all that inhuman to me. Superman then condescends to him further, claiming that Ben is "only doing what your creators programmed you to do"... even though Ben actually has free will and makes his own decisions.
* Comicbook/GhostRider, at least in his 90s incarnation, did not kill even the most inhuman of humans, to the point where his apparent destruction of a ninja in one issue was retconned into that single particular ninja actually being a robot. However, he was quite happy to maim and slaughter demons and other AlwaysChaoticEvil beings, in one instance tying the photosensitive pseudovampire Blackout to the spire of the Empire State Building and letting him die a horrific burning death as the sun came up. Blackout didn't actually die and popped up on the Raft about fifteen years later, but Ghost Rider had no way of knowing that.
* On the other hand, the Comicbook/{{Legion of Super-Heroes}}'s Comicbook/LegionOfSuperHeroes's [[ThouShaltNotKill official rule against killing]] extends to anything sentient, including [=AIs=].



* In the reviled ''ComicBook/SupermanAtEarthsEnd'', Superman uses "you're just an android, '''''[[MemeticMutation I AM A MAN!!]]'''''" as justification when he ''punches Ben Boxer's guts out''. There are ''many'' things wrong with this, least among them the fact that Ben Boxer is about as close to human as you can be, with emotions, a personality, and ''brothers''. Oh, and ''intestines''. This guy has ''relatives'' and can ''poop'', man, that doesn't sound all that inhuman to me. Superman then condescends to him further, claiming that Ben is "only doing what your creators programmed you to do"... even though Ben actually has free will and makes his own decisions.
** He has no centralized circulatory system active (see above)?
22nd Aug '16 6:22:19 AM Morgenthaler
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* Speaking of ''ComicBook/JudgeDredd'', their twist on the matter involved an alien shapeshifter escaping to the Big Meg to get out of slavery. Dredd, who wants to arrest the shapeshifter for murder, is partnered with an alien administrator who wants to return it to its owners. The shapeshifter is finally left with the decision to either stay in Megacity One, where he counts as a sentient being and is therefore subject to the city's comically strict justice and faces a long prison term, or return to Alientown, where, legally counting as property, he can not be held culpable for his actions, but will remain a slave.
** Also in Dredd, robots are sentient and ''exactly'' like humans, but are still a slave race and abused. Dredd himself is responsible for destroying a robot revolution and sending everyone ''back'' to slavery. (Usually the writing is on the side of the robots, as is reader sympathy.) Note that Dredd himself is a robot-rights supporter; the only reason he shut down that particular revolution is because the robot leading the revolution was clearly evil.

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* Speaking of ''ComicBook/JudgeDredd'', their ''ComicBook/TwoThousandAD'':
** ''ComicBook/JudgeDredd'':
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twist on the matter involved an alien shapeshifter escaping to the Big Meg to get out of slavery. Dredd, who wants to arrest the shapeshifter for murder, is partnered with an alien administrator who wants to return it to its owners. The shapeshifter is finally left with the decision to either stay in Megacity One, where he counts as a sentient being and is therefore subject to the city's comically strict justice and faces a long prison term, or return to Alientown, where, legally counting as property, he can not be held culpable for his actions, but will remain a slave.
** Also in Dredd, robots *** Robots are sentient and ''exactly'' like humans, but are still a slave race and abused. Dredd himself is responsible for destroying a robot revolution and sending everyone ''back'' to slavery. (Usually the writing is on the side of the robots, as is reader sympathy.) Note that Dredd himself is a robot-rights supporter; the only reason he shut down that particular revolution is because the robot leading the revolution was clearly evil.evil.
** ''ComicBook/{{XTNCT}}'': Humans use genetically engineered animals to fight their wars for them, and are able to discard or replace them just as easily.
2nd Apr '16 5:46:02 AM Gerusz
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28th Feb '16 9:15:29 AM nombretomado
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* ComicBook/SpiderMan nearly did this in an issue of ''Comicbook/GhostRider''. He was facing the vampire queen, Lilith and a host of the undead. He attempted to use Johnny Blaze's gun on them, explaining that "They're already dead". In team ups with {{Blade}}, he has also not seemed to care much about vampires getting killed. This is the same guy who will box your ears if you try to kill Carnage, a super-powered serial killer.

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* ComicBook/SpiderMan nearly did this in an issue of ''Comicbook/GhostRider''. He was facing the vampire queen, Lilith and a host of the undead. He attempted to use Johnny Blaze's gun on them, explaining that "They're already dead". In team ups with {{Blade}}, ComicBook/{{Blade}}, he has also not seemed to care much about vampires getting killed. This is the same guy who will box your ears if you try to kill Carnage, a super-powered serial killer.
4th Feb '16 9:13:59 PM Blazer
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-->'''Hawkeye:''' Then you'll die like people too.

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-->'''Hawkeye:''' Then you'll die like people too.too.
* ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'' explored this concerning Nicole the Holo-Lynx with the ''Sonic Universe'' storyline "Spark of Life". Dr. Ellidy, Nicole's [[spoiler:accidental]] creator, is very put off around Nicole [[spoiler:due to the fact that Nicole was actually his daughter, Nikki, who died during an attempt to save her life by digitizing her.]] This attitude concerns Sally, who even asks Big the Cat his thoughts on Nicole, who likes her just because she's nice. When the digital lifeform Phage causes trouble in Ellidy's systems and Nicole's in danger, Sally opts to be digitized herself to save her friend. When Ellidy tries to stop Sally from doing it because she's a princess risking her life, she essentially puts him in his place by telling him to never suggest that Nicole isn't a person worth saving.
28th Dec '15 6:21:25 AM Anddrix
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* The [[SelfDemonstrating/{{Bizarro}} Bizarros]] in [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Franchise/{{Superman}} stories were another example. Made of "non-living matter", having them killed off was often a source for comedy; they even made a meteor plunge into one of their cities and kill a lot of Bizarros, on the grounds that Bizarros do things backwards so they want to maximize casualties. This was played as a pure joke.

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* The [[SelfDemonstrating/{{Bizarro}} Bizarros]] Bizarros in [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Franchise/{{Superman}} stories were another example. Made of "non-living matter", having them killed off was often a source for comedy; they even made a meteor plunge into one of their cities and kill a lot of Bizarros, on the grounds that Bizarros do things backwards so they want to maximize casualties. This was played as a pure joke.
20th Dec '15 6:16:39 PM nombretomado
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* The [[SelfDemonstrating/{{Bizarro}} Bizarros]] in SilverAge Franchise/{{Superman}} stories were another example. Made of "non-living matter", having them killed off was often a source for comedy; they even made a meteor plunge into one of their cities and kill a lot of Bizarros, on the grounds that Bizarros do things backwards so they want to maximize casualties. This was played as a pure joke.

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* The [[SelfDemonstrating/{{Bizarro}} Bizarros]] in SilverAge [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Franchise/{{Superman}} stories were another example. Made of "non-living matter", having them killed off was often a source for comedy; they even made a meteor plunge into one of their cities and kill a lot of Bizarros, on the grounds that Bizarros do things backwards so they want to maximize casualties. This was played as a pure joke.
19th Dec '15 5:23:33 PM nombretomado
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* In the ''[[ComicBook/TheAvengers Avengers Assemble Annual]]'', TheVision calls out [[Comicbook/IronMan Tony Stark]] and [[ComicBook/AntMan Hank Pym]] for leaving his disassembled body in a warehouse after he was ripped in half by [[SheHulk She-Hulk]]. Though they were both preoccupied by various crises (and one of them was a Skrull at the time), that doesn't really change the fact they left one of their teammates ''ripped up in a warehouse''. Even if they thought he was gone forever, didn't he at least warrant a proper burial?

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* In the ''[[ComicBook/TheAvengers Avengers Assemble Annual]]'', TheVision ComicBook/TheVision calls out [[Comicbook/IronMan Tony Stark]] and [[ComicBook/AntMan Hank Pym]] for leaving his disassembled body in a warehouse after he was ripped in half by [[SheHulk She-Hulk]].ComicBook/SheHulk. Though they were both preoccupied by various crises (and one of them was a Skrull at the time), that doesn't really change the fact they left one of their teammates ''ripped up in a warehouse''. Even if they thought he was gone forever, didn't he at least warrant a proper burial?
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