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21st Jun '16 1:53:08 PM Willbyr
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** Played with in the HetaliaBloodbath2010 event, where a newsreporter mentions the disappearance of 'those people.' [[EpilepticTrees This could possibly hint of their existence as fairly common knowledge (at least to certain segments of society), though probably not their ''true'' identities. Or alternately, they ''do'' know the truth but prefer not to talk about it.]]

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** Played with in the HetaliaBloodbath2010 ''Manga/HetaliaBloodbath2010'' event, where a newsreporter mentions the disappearance of 'those people.' [[EpilepticTrees This could possibly hint of their existence as fairly common knowledge (at least to certain segments of society), though probably not their ''true'' identities. Or alternately, they ''do'' know the truth but prefer not to talk about it.]]
17th May '16 2:22:25 PM Willbyr
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* In the manga ''{{Gunnm}}'', this is explored from every possible angle: human brains in robot bodies, human bodies with the brain replaced with a computer chip, even split personalities given bodies of their own.

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* In the manga ''{{Gunnm}}'', ''Manga/{{Gunnm}}'', this is explored from every possible angle: human brains in robot bodies, human bodies with the brain replaced with a computer chip, even split personalities given bodies of their own.
13th May '16 8:01:11 PM Pichu-kun
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* [[spoiler: Hanyuu Furude]] of ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'' [[spoiler: is a [[AGodAmI goddess]].]] However she was originally he was seen as a monster to many villagers due to her [[spoiler:[[HornedHumanoid horns]]]], though it turns out she's a normal human with a physical condition. She is ritually sacrificed by her reluctant preteen ''daughter'', [[spoiler:[[BloodSplatteredInnocents Ouka]], as Hanyuu thought her sacrfice would cause all the villagers sins would be atoned. They didn't and Hanyuu is regretful of it centuries later.]] Good 'ol [[MessianicArchetype Hanyuu]] ]]

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* [[spoiler: Hanyuu Furude]] of ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'' [[spoiler: is a [[AGodAmI goddess]].]] However she was originally he was seen as a monster to many villagers due to her [[spoiler:[[HornedHumanoid horns]]]], though it turns out she's a normal human with a physical condition. She is ritually sacrificed by her reluctant preteen ''daughter'', ''[[SelfMadeOrphan daughter]]'', [[spoiler:[[BloodSplatteredInnocents Ouka]], as Hanyuu thought her sacrfice would cause all the villagers sins would be atoned. They didn't and Hanyuu is regretful of it centuries later.]] Good 'ol [[MessianicArchetype Hanyuu]] Hanyuu]].]]


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* Discussed in ''Manga/KimiToBoku'' when the boys coverse about how festival games involving catching fish with thin nets is toying with their lives. They say the man who owns the booth doesn't value the goldfishes lives enough. They end up getting him so mad that he gives them better nets, which lets them catch multiple fish.
3rd May '16 6:09:22 PM Pichu-kun
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** The anime's [[{{Bowdlerise}} censorship]] makes one of these. Sajin Komamura, who had a caved in chest and severed arm, doesn't get his wounds censored in the anime like everyone else does (he even gets several more cuts across his body as {{Padding}}), when Hiyori was supposed to be [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe cut in half]], but is still whole in the anime (in fact the anime even replaced [[spoiler: Tsukishima, a ''villain'',]] getting his arm cut off with a gash). Reason? because he isn't human but an anthro wolf. Either the writers only do this to those who don't look human, or [[TheUnfavorite just flat out hates Komamura.]]

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** The anime's [[{{Bowdlerise}} censorship]] makes one of these. Sajin Komamura, who had a caved in chest and severed arm, doesn't get his wounds censored in the anime like everyone else does (he even gets several more cuts across his body as {{Padding}}), when Hiyori was supposed to be [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe cut in half]], but is still whole in the anime (in fact the anime even replaced [[spoiler: Tsukishima, a ''villain'',]] getting his arm cut off with a gash). Reason? because Because he isn't human but an anthro wolf. Either the writers only do this to those who don't look human, or [[TheUnfavorite just flat out hates Komamura.]]



* The rule of thumb in ''Anime/SailorMoon'' seems to be that if you're a Monster of the Week, you're dead meat. Even you do display some level of sentience. Since the monsters of the week are always artificial life forms and in many cases actually transformed humans or created from the souls of the humans the Senshi are trying to save, there's some justification for this. But it is amusing that the value of their lives is never discussed.
** [[Manga/SailorMoon The manga]] is more ambiguous about this: most of the villains get killed by the Senshi because they're pure evil and remorseless, so this discussion becomes moot, but Minako knows from her experience that some of them are not (and in fact has an HeroicBSOD at the end of ''Manga/CodenameSailorV'' (of which ''Sailor Moon'' is the MorePopularSpinOff) after killing the last enemy of the series in spite of having realized beforehand he wasn't really evil)... And so, after [[StepfordSmiler forcing herself to go on and smile]], is the one who kills the ones who she knows have a conscience.

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* ''Franchise/SailorMoon'':
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The rule of thumb in ''Anime/SailorMoon'' ''Manga/SailorMoon'' anime seems to be that if you're a Monster of the Week, you're dead meat. Even you do display some level of sentience. Since the monsters of the week are always artificial life forms and in many cases actually transformed humans or created from the souls of the humans the Senshi are trying to save, there's some justification for this. But it is amusing that the value of their lives is never discussed.
** [[Manga/SailorMoon The manga]] manga is more ambiguous about this: most of the villains get killed by the Senshi because they're pure evil and remorseless, so this discussion becomes moot, but Minako knows from her experience that some of them are not (and in fact has an HeroicBSOD at the end of ''Manga/CodenameSailorV'' (of which ''Sailor Moon'' is the MorePopularSpinOff) after killing the last enemy of the series in spite of having realized beforehand he wasn't really evil)... And so, after [[StepfordSmiler forcing herself to go on and smile]], is the one who kills the ones who she knows have a conscience.



* This is a major theme in ''Anime/PlasticMemories''. Given that Gifitias are gifted in having emotions as human beings, some do not take the business of handling and retrieving expired androids that well. This is lampshaded by Chizu during the first episode when she criticizes Tsukasa's company for treating her Giftia as a product rather than an actual family member.

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* This is a major theme in ''Anime/PlasticMemories''. Given that Gifitias are gifted in having emotions as human beings, some do not take the business of handling and retrieving expired androids that well. This is lampshaded by Chizu during the first episode when she criticizes Tsukasa's company for treating her Giftia as a product rather than an actual family member. They are treated mostly identically to humans while alive though, and even have human rights.



** Edward's [[ThouShaltNotKill inability to kill things]] seems to only apply to humans, things that resemble humans, and things that were once human. He has little issue killing animals and animalistic chimeras.
*** To be fair, the anime does show both him and Al killing their first animal, and it was done with huge reluctance. Also, animalistic chimeras were made of animals, not humans.
*** By the end of [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist the 2003 anime]], he has no qualms about killing [[spoiler:the Homunculi]], either - even though they're arguably ''more'' human than their manga counterparts. However, this also seems to be with some reluctance, given his freak-out over [[spoiler:Greed dying]], which he didn't intend since Homunculi normally take injuries as little more than a set-back. His later fights also had more on the line, since Alphonse was being targeted [[spoiler: after being turned into a Philosopher's stone]].

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** Edward's [[ThouShaltNotKill inability to kill things]] seems to only apply to humans, things that resemble humans, and things that were once human. He has little issue killing animals and animalistic chimeras.
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chimeras (which are made using animals). To be fair, the anime does show both him and Al killing their first animal, and it was done with huge reluctance. Also, animalistic chimeras were made of animals, not humans.
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By the end of [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist the 2003 anime]], he has no qualms about killing [[spoiler:the Homunculi]], either - even though they're arguably ''more'' human than their manga counterparts. However, this also seems to be with some reluctance, given his freak-out over [[spoiler:Greed dying]], which he didn't intend since Homunculi normally take injuries as little more than a set-back. His later fights also had more on the line, since Alphonse was being targeted [[spoiler: after being turned into a Philosopher's stone]].



* ''Manga/AstroBoy'' dabbles in this. Atom/Astro, after all, was abandoned by his MadScientist father, Dr. Tenma, when he failed to serve as a [[ReplacementGoldfish complete replacement]] for his dead son.

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* ''Manga/AstroBoy'' dabbles in this.this often. Atom/Astro, after all, was abandoned by his MadScientist father, Dr. Tenma, when he failed to serve as a [[ReplacementGoldfish complete replacement]] for his dead son. Astro is very into having robots treated respectfully and as individuals.



* [[spoiler: Hanyuu Furude]] of ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'' [[spoiler: is a [[AGodAmI goddess]]. However she was originally he was seen as a monster to many villagers due to her [[UnusualEars horns]], though it turns out she's a normal human with a physical condition. She is ritually sacrificed by her reluctant preteen ''daughter'',[[BloodSplatteredInnocents Ouka]], as Hanyuu thought her sacrfice would cause all the villagers sins would be atoned. They didn't and Hanyuu is regretful of it centuries later. Good 'ol [[MessianicArchetype Hanyuu]] ]]

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* [[spoiler: Hanyuu Furude]] of ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'' [[spoiler: is a [[AGodAmI goddess]]. ]] However she was originally he was seen as a monster to many villagers due to her [[UnusualEars horns]], [[spoiler:[[HornedHumanoid horns]]]], though it turns out she's a normal human with a physical condition. She is ritually sacrificed by her reluctant preteen ''daughter'',[[BloodSplatteredInnocents ''daughter'', [[spoiler:[[BloodSplatteredInnocents Ouka]], as Hanyuu thought her sacrfice would cause all the villagers sins would be atoned. They didn't and Hanyuu is regretful of it centuries later. ]] Good 'ol [[MessianicArchetype Hanyuu]] ]]



* While the Bugrom were in the process of conquering the humans in ''Anime/ElHazardTheMagnificentWorld'', you'll notice that no one seems to care the OVA ends with nearly their entire race being killed because they're 'icky bugs'. The fact they display signs of intelligence and personality around the one human to speak their language is ignored.
** Actually, the Bugrom weren't really killed. They were simply sent to another world/universe. Point taken, though.

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* While the Bugrom were in the process of conquering the humans in ''Anime/ElHazardTheMagnificentWorld'', you'll notice that no one seems to care the OVA ends with nearly their entire race being killed sent to another universe because they're 'icky bugs'. The fact they display signs of intelligence and personality around the one human to speak their language is ignored.
** Actually, the Bugrom weren't really killed. They were simply sent to another world/universe. Point taken, though.
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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', humans have imprisoned the Tailed Beasts and been using them as living weapons for centuries despite the fact that they are sentient. [[spoiler:This turns out to be the reason the Tailed Beasts hate humanity.]]
** The same happens to the humans who serve as the Tailed Beasts' vessels, treated as weapons and monsters instead of people.

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* In ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', humans have imprisoned the Tailed Beasts and been using them as living weapons for centuries despite the fact that they are sentient. [[spoiler:This turns out to be the reason the Tailed Beasts hate humanity.]]
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]] The same happens to the humans who serve as the Tailed Beasts' vessels, treated as weapons and monsters instead of people.
15th Mar '16 5:20:42 AM Blazer
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* In ''Anime/PrettyCure'' the girls complain about having to kill the first villain and are told by their {{Non Human Sidekick}}s that they're just making him "return to the darkness". Later they find that [[spoiler:Kiriya]] does a HeelFaceTurn... incidentally proving that the enemies aren't AlwaysChaoticEvil after all and killing them should count as killing people, which is never even mentioned.

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* In ''Anime/PrettyCure'' the girls complain about having to kill the first villain and are told by their {{Non Human Sidekick}}s that they're just making him "return to the darkness". Later they find that [[spoiler:Kiriya]] does a HeelFaceTurn... incidentally proving that the enemies aren't AlwaysChaoticEvil after all and killing them should count as killing people, which is never even mentioned. This line becomes heavily blurred as the seasons go on, to the point where the teams' powers are reclassified as ''purifying'' than outright "destroying". Also, it's quite rare to see a show's main villain be outright killed and if they are, it's a RedemptionEqualsDeath sort of death.
2nd Feb '16 8:04:29 AM Dentaku
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* The alien Arume in ''Manga/BlueDrop'' create synthetic children to function as bombs or as devices to clean up the remnants of their own biological weapons. All of them are female with bright blue eyes and white blood, just like the Arume themselves, and they grow up just like normal children. Quite a few earthlings definitely regard them as human and try to protect them from their fate and the prosecution of other earthlings. The synthetic Arume also share their creators' tendency to fall in love with earth girls, which makes things even more complicated and leads to a [[GirlsLove lot of drama in the manga]].

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* The alien Arume in ''Manga/BlueDrop'' create synthetic children to function as bombs or as devices to clean up the remnants of their own biological weapons. All of them are female with bright blue eyes and white blood, just like the Arume themselves, and they grow up just like normal children. Quite a few earthlings definitely regard them as human and try to protect them from their fate and the prosecution of other persecution by earthlings. The synthetic Arume also share their creators' tendency to fall in love with earth girls, which makes things even more complicated and leads to a [[GirlsLove lot of drama in the manga]].
26th Jan '16 8:41:56 PM GrammarNavi
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* In ''{{Trigun}}'', the main character, Vash, refuses to kill any form of sentient life, including giant flesh-eating sand worms. Mindless sentry robots are another matter. The fact that he [[spoiler: is himself a non-human sentient "person"/RidiculouslyHumanRobot]] may help. However, sentience doesn't seem to be the issue here so much as respecting all lifeforms ([[DoubleStandard which the robots ...aren't?]]).

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* In ''{{Trigun}}'', ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'', the main character, Vash, refuses to kill any form of sentient life, including giant flesh-eating sand worms. Mindless sentry robots are another matter. The fact that he [[spoiler: is himself a non-human sentient "person"/RidiculouslyHumanRobot]] may help. However, sentience doesn't seem to be the issue here so much as respecting all lifeforms ([[DoubleStandard which the robots ...aren't?]]).
25th Jan '16 10:56:22 AM Willbyr
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* Uncomfortably done in ''DragonHalf'', depending on [[ComedicSociopathy how far past the slapstick you're willing to look]]; various non-human creatures with speaking parts (as opposed to "intelligent"; they're usually really stupid) have been indiscriminately killed and sometimes ''eaten'', but when an apparently ''human'' girl gets stabbed, everyone gasps in shock. It turns out she's actually a [[HalfHumanHybrid half-slime]], so (a) that's all right, and (hopefully) more importantly (b) she isn't hurt anyway.

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* Uncomfortably done in ''DragonHalf'', ''Manga/DragonHalf'', depending on [[ComedicSociopathy how far past the slapstick you're willing to look]]; various non-human creatures with speaking parts (as opposed to "intelligent"; they're usually really stupid) have been indiscriminately killed and sometimes ''eaten'', but when an apparently ''human'' girl gets stabbed, everyone gasps in shock. It turns out she's actually a [[HalfHumanHybrid half-slime]], so (a) that's all right, and (hopefully) more importantly (b) she isn't hurt anyway.
23rd Jan '16 7:52:17 PM Willbyr
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* Early on in ''AngelSanctuary'', Setsuna was urged to kill his best friend, Kira, on the basis that as the spirit of a bloodthirsty, evil sword, there was no point in allowing someone with just the facade of humanity to live. Setsuna refuses [[spoiler:although considering Kira later turns out to have the soul of Lucifer, this might not have been in Setsuna's best interests]]. Kira himself struggles with his humanity or lack thereof throughout the series, generally insisting he never wanted to become human.

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* Early on in ''AngelSanctuary'', ''Manga/AngelSanctuary'', Setsuna was urged to kill his best friend, Kira, on the basis that as the spirit of a bloodthirsty, evil sword, there was no point in allowing someone with just the facade of humanity to live. Setsuna refuses [[spoiler:although considering Kira later turns out to have the soul of Lucifer, this might not have been in Setsuna's best interests]]. Kira himself struggles with his humanity or lack thereof throughout the series, generally insisting he never wanted to become human.
19th Jan '16 10:35:45 AM Willbyr
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* Lampshaded in ''{{Hellsing}}'' when during their first encounter Seras ascertains that Alucard is not a human before shooting him. Alucard derisively comments on that: "Why? Would you have shot me if I was?"

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* Lampshaded in ''{{Hellsing}}'' ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'' when during their first encounter Seras ascertains that Alucard is not a human before shooting him. Alucard derisively comments on that: "Why? Would you have shot me if I was?"
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