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3rd May '18 9:09:13 PM Jayalaw
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* Prince Zuko was banished for speaking out of turn at a war meeting and refusing to fight his father in the resulting HonorDuel. Emperor Ozai also scarred Zuko horribly to "teach him a lesson" about humility. Zuko hopes that if he retrieves the Avatar that he will be welcomed back into the Fire Nation. Iroh, his uncle, has been allowing Zuko to hope because it allows Zuko the strength to keep on going. When another general, Zhao, confronts him over the Avatar returning, Zhao callously says that if Ozai truly loved Zuko, then he wouldn't have banished him in the first place. Which ends up being true.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Zuko to realize that Zhao is a jerk but has a point, and give up on trying to please his father and "regain his honor". Especially after he rescues Aang from Zhao's men while disguised as the Blue Spirit, and Aang offers friendship in return.\\
'''Instead''': Zuko stubbornly clings to the false hope that he can please Ozai and that he must catch Aang.\\
'''The Result''': It takes several years and seasons before he realizes that Ozai isn't worth it. By that time, he's made so many mistakes by acting like a spoiled prince. By the time Zuko switches sides, he's awkwardly apologizing for all the terrible things he did.
24th Apr '18 6:17:40 AM jaydude
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'''Instead''': Sozin as an old man leaves Roku to die after evacuating his family from a volcano, on realizing that he now has a chance to start his conquests. He uses Sozin's Comet to wipe out the Air Nomads, who are pacifists. The Southern Water Tribe is next to fall, losing most of its waterbenders, . On top of that, Sozin recreates the Fire Nation in his image, a tradition his family keeps up with their egos.\\

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'''Instead''': Sozin as an old man leaves Roku to die after evacuating his family from a volcano, on realizing that he now has a chance to start his conquests. He uses Sozin's Comet to wipe out the Air Nomads, who are pacifists. The Southern Water Tribe is next to fall, losing most of its waterbenders, .waterbenders along with its spiritual traditions. On top of that, Sozin recreates the Fire Nation in his image, a tradition his family keeps up with their egos.\\



** Spirits known as the Kemurikage are going around kidnapping children in the Fire Nation. Ukano, who is the leader of the reactionary New Ozai Society seeking to overthrow Zuko, urges him to declare a curfew and set up a task force to fight the spirits, in order to make Zuko look like a tyrant. while Aang tells him that such things won't work, and that they should investigate things more closely before they take any action.\\

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** Spirits known as the Kemurikage are going around kidnapping children in the Fire Nation. Ukano, who is the leader of the reactionary New Ozai Society seeking to overthrow Zuko, urges him to declare a curfew and set up a task force to fight the spirits, in order to make Zuko look like a tyrant. while Aang meanwhile tells him Zuko that such things won't work, and that they should investigate things more closely before they take any action.\\
31st Mar '18 12:54:02 PM jaydude
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'''Instead:''' Kori Morishita, the mayor's daughter, attempts to assassinate Zuko, which results in her arrest, and Zuko storming over to Yu Dao to personally enforce the Harmony Restoration Movement there. While he's there, Kori and Mayor Morishita frequently belittle him, even comparing him negatively to Fire Lord Ozai, the genocidal and maniacal tyrant who abused Zuko for most of his childhood.\\

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'''Instead:''' Kori Morishita, the mayor's daughter, attempts to assassinate Zuko, which results in her arrest, and Zuko storming over to Yu Dao to personally enforce the Harmony Restoration Movement there. While he's there, Kori and Mayor Morishita frequently belittle him, even comparing him negatively to Fire Lord Ozai, Ozai. You know, the genocidal and maniacal tyrant who abused Zuko for most of his childhood.\\



'''Instead:''' Zuko publicly withdraws his support for the Harmony Restoration Movement, orders the departing colonials to return to the colonies and fortifies Yu Dao, not letting anyone in or out. Unsurprisingly, a lot of people see this as Zuko refusing to give up his colonies, and another war nearly starts.\\

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'''Instead:''' Zuko publicly withdraws his support for the Harmony Restoration Movement, orders the departing colonials to return to the colonies and fortifies Yu Dao, not letting anyone in or out.out, and makes no attempt to talk to anyone. Unsurprisingly, a lot of people see this as Zuko refusing to give up his colonies, and another war nearly starts.\\



'''Instead:''' The guards attack Aang and Katara, and keep doing so even when Aang insists that he only wants to talk. Then when Zuko shows up, rather than ordering his guards to stop attacking, he tries to restrain Katara. This causes Aang to go into an out of control Avatar State, and the only thing stopping Zuko from becoming a smear on the street is Katara talking Aang out of it. And after all the above, Zuko has the gall to tell Aang that they both need to calm down and talk, even though, as Aang rightly pointed out, that was what he was trying to do in the first place.

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'''Instead:''' The guards attack Aang and Katara, and keep doing so even when Aang insists that he only wants to talk. Then when Zuko shows up, rather than ordering his guards to stop attacking, he immediately tries to restrain Katara. Katara rather than asking for an explanation. This causes Aang to go into an out of control Avatar State, and the only thing stopping him from turning Zuko from becoming into a smear on the street is Katara talking Aang him out of it. And after all the above, Zuko has the gall to tell Aang that they both need to calm down and talk, even though, as Aang rightly pointed out, that was what he was trying had wanted to do in the first place.



** Spirits known as the Kemurikage are going around kidnapping children in the Fire Nation. Ukano, who is seeking to overthrow Zuko, urges him to declare a curfew and set up a task force to fight the spirits, while Aang tells him that such things won't work, and that they should investigate things more closely before they take any action.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Both Aang and Ukano have good ideas - albeit unintentionally on Ukano's part. Zuko can have a task force set up or perhaps assign more guards to watch out for the Kemurikage while he investigates the kidnappings and tries to find a better solution. Even if they're unlikely to be of use, the move will at least reassure the people that Zuko's watching out for them. And who knows, the task force or guards might get lucky and stop one of the spirits.\\

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** Spirits known as the Kemurikage are going around kidnapping children in the Fire Nation. Ukano, who is the leader of the reactionary New Ozai Society seeking to overthrow Zuko, urges him to declare a curfew and set up a task force to fight the spirits, in order to make Zuko look like a tyrant. while Aang tells him that such things won't work, and that they should investigate things more closely before they take any action.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Both Aang and Ukano have good ideas - albeit unintentionally on Ukano's part. Zuko can have a task force set up or perhaps assign more guards to watch out for the Kemurikage while he investigates the kidnappings and tries to find a better solution. Even if they're a task force or additional guards are unlikely to be of use, the move will at least reassure the people that Zuko's watching out for them. And who knows, the task force or guards might get lucky and stop one of the spirits.\\



'''You'd Expect:''' Zuko to spread the news that the Kemurikage are fakes, as well as Mai's testimony against Ukano. While that's happening, he can have his guards search for Ukano and/or allow Aang to go and try to talk to him.\\

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'''You'd Expect:''' Zuko to spread the news make public his discovery that the Kemurikage are fakes, as well as Mai's testimony against Ukano. While that's happening, he can have his guards search for Ukano and/or allow Aang to go and try to talk to him.\\



'''Bonus Idiocy:''' Zuko's rationale for doing the above is that Aang's more moderate approach didn't work - except that the main purpose of said approach was to gather information and nothing more, something ''it quite clearly did''. Fittingly, one of the last scenes in the comic is Zuko apologizing to his people for all his recent screwups.

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'''Bonus Idiocy:''' Zuko's rationale for doing the above is that Aang's more moderate approach didn't work - except that the main purpose of said approach was to gather information and nothing more, something ''it quite clearly did''. Which Zuko then proceeded to practically ignore. Fittingly, one of the last scenes in the comic is Zuko apologizing to his people for all his recent screwups.
26th Mar '18 9:19:49 PM Loekman3
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9th Feb '18 9:21:03 PM Jayalaw
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* The Crossroads of Destiny

** The Dai Li have helped Azula and Long Feng overthrow the Earth King. Long Feng then tries to take down Azula once she's served her purpose. He orders the Dai Li to arrest her.\\
'''You'd Expect''': They would go with Long Feng as previously discussed. Even a secret police of earthbenders would believe that they serve the Earth Kingdom and not a tyrannical outsider that wants to claim their kingdom for the Fire Nation.\\
'''Instead''': The Dai Li wait, as Azula guesses, to see whether or not see or Long Feng will bend first. Long Feng decides to concede to Azula, which means that, as Azula gleefully points out, the Dai Li can no longer be trusted by anyone. They very well know this.\\
'''The Result''': Ba Sing Se becomes a Fire Nation city, with Joo Dee installed as a puppet leader. The Dai Li are forced to help Azula and the Fire Nation up until she banishes them in a fit of paranoia. The Dai Li also cannot shake their reputation as being evil conformers and legal enforcers; after Ba Sing Se regains its independence and the Earth King is reinstalled as the rightful ruler, his daughter Hou Ting makes sure that they are loyal to her, and she uses them as a blunt tool. It's almost a mercy when the Red Lotus defeats them.
** It's the final battle of Ba Sing Se. Zuko and Katara have just been rescued by Iroh and Aang respectively, and they have to rescue the Earth King from a Dai Li coup. Azula approaches Zuko in the middle of battle and promises that if he helps her win then she'll reward him and help him come home with honor. Katara in the meantime has started to bond with Zuko, even considering that she could heal his scar.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Zuko would remember that "Azula always lies, Azula always lies," and she has always been a manipulative liar since they were children. She tried to deceive him at the beginning of season two so as to capture him and deliver him in chains to their father. Also, she just captured him with the Dai Li's help.\\
'''Instead''': He trusts her and saves her from Katara. This allows Azula an opportunity to shoot Aang while he's in the Avatar State, nearly killing him and destroying the Avatar Cycle. In fact, as far as Zuko and Azula know, the Avatar ''is'' dead.\\
'''The Result''': Iroh sacrifices himself to help Team Avatar and the Earth King escape, and while a prisoner Iroh gives only handfuls of unwanted advice to Zuko rather than serving as his confidante. Azula keeps half her word: she helps Zuko regain his Fire Nation reputation and father's approval so that he is no longer exiled, but also credits him for killing the Avatar when Zuko doesn't tell her there's a possibility the Avatar might have survived, and she can tell he's hiding it from her. That way, he is the fall guy if Aang reappears. It takes half a season for Zuko to realize that he doesn't want to be one of Azula's pawns and he can't deal with the guilt of betraying Iroh, sending an assassin after Team Avatar, and giving the Fire Nation an idea to burn the Earth Kingdom to the ground. By then, however, the Day of the Black Sun coup fails and Team Avatar is demoralized. When Zuko tries to switch sides, Katara smacks him with a water whip and tells him to get away from the team, and later on she tells him bluntly that if he tries to betray them again, then she will kill him. So yeah, Zuko made his journey so much harder because he believed his little sister.



* Of course then you have Sozin, whose original intentions is to spread the vast Fire Nation resources with the world via conquest.\\
'''You'd Expect''': If his friend is an Avatar who is saying "NO," then maybe there is something wrong. As in, throwing off the balance of the world and forcibly making people conform. Roku may be blunt in not wanting to talk it out.\\
'''Instead''': Sozin as an old man leaves Roku to die after evacuating his family from a volcano, on realizing that he now has a chance to start his conquests. He uses Sozin's Comet to wipe out the Air Nomads, who are pacifists. The Southern Water Tribe is next to fall, losing most of its waterbenders, . On top of that, Sozin recreates the Fire Nation in his image, a tradition his family keeps up with their egos.\\
'''The Result''': Sozin's desendants drop the initial good intentions for blatant tyranny and power grabs, and who can blame them with their predecesor being a genocidal overlord? By the time Zuko comes of age, he has a dysfunctional family that doesn't repair easily. Even centuries later, the consequences of Sozin's actions weigh heavily on the Fire Nation and the world. The Fire Nation itself forgets its own culture, friendship with dragons, and same-sex marriages. Aang has to reteach the world about Airbender culture, and it takes the second series for Airbenders to properly return to the world. The Southern Tribe has been reduced to a handful of ice houses barely eking out a living, and when they finally get a chance to rebuild their Northern cousins come down to "teach" them how to use newfound oil deposits. Zuko when calling out Ozai mentions that no one in the world loves the Fire Nation, because of how terrible the regime has been. His daughter Izumi also has to live with that hateful legacy when she has to decide whether or not to send troops to deal with an Earth Kingdom tyrant and if that would repeat past mistakes.



* "The Beach": It's not a fun vacation for the Fire Nation royal teens as they're sent to an island. Zuko's moodiness and angry tantrums annoy Mai, Azula is annoyed that despite her best efforts she can't win guys over as easily as Ty Lee can, and Ty Lee for her part is actually freaking out about how boys keep paying attention to her. Eventually, Azula finds Zuko in HeroicBSOD at their old beach house, and brings him to a campfire where everyone's baggage and angst comes out as arguments.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Azula to let her friends comfort and confront her about her mother thinking she was a monster. Everyone else seems cleansed after receiving armchair psychology, even if they aren't happy about it.\\
'''Instead''': Azula puts on a StepfordSmiler persona and admits her mother was right about her, not letting Zuko chime in with comfort or the honesty that even if they are messed up, they are family. It means that while Azula takes Zuko's defection well, she has a breakdown when Mai decides she loves Zuko more than she fears Azula, and Ty-Lee betrays Azula to save Mai's life.



'''Instead:''' He instantly believes her without question and kills her, allowing Katara to remain hidden. Given that Katara was the one who ended up discovering Aang, the general's idiocy indirectly led to the downfall of the entire empire.

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'''Instead:''' He instantly believes her without question and kills her, allowing Katara to remain hidden. Given that Katara was the one who ended up discovering Aang, the general's idiocy indirectly led to the downfall of the entire empire.
empire. It also means that he nearly dies when Katara grows up and seeks him out to avenge her mother. The only reason she spares him is that she sees he's become a pathetic, shriveled old man who is NotWorthKilling, one who doesn't deserve the sweet release of death or forgiveness. In addition to all that, it's implied the act of murder scars Yon Rha for life, when it sinks in that he murdered a helpless, innocent woman in her home. Certainly Yon Rha didn't expect that he would spend his retirement tending to his grouchy mother and their terrible garden-grown vegetabels.
17th Dec '17 3:31:47 PM SenorCornholio
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Even the cast of [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender one of the greatest cartoons of all time]] [[WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra and its sequel]] aren't immune to stupidity.

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Even the cast of [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender one of the greatest cartoons of all time]] [[WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra and its sequel]] aren't immune to stupidity.
17th Dec '17 3:31:13 PM SenorCornholio
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Even the cast of [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender one of the greatest cartoons of all time]] [[WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra and its sequel]] aren't immune to stupidity.
13th Dec '17 9:23:45 PM Loekman3
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'''Instead:''' He announces that [[ParentalObliviousness he has been permitting her too much freedom by letting her wander the gardens of the family compound on her own]], and that [[OverprotectiveDad she will from now on be guarded 24/7]], while ordering the Avatar and his companions to leave. When Toph bolts, he compounds matters by hiring the guy who kidnapped her, who was one of the earthbenders that she beat to bring her home by any means possible.

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'''Instead:''' He announces that [[ParentalObliviousness he has been permitting her too much freedom by letting her wander the gardens of the family compound on her own]], and that [[OverprotectiveDad she will from now on be guarded 24/7]], while ordering the Avatar and his companions to leave. When This ultimately caused Toph bolts, to ran away completely from him.\\
'''You'd Then Expect:''' He would realize ''now'' that it's his own over-protectiveness that caused her to ran away and just give her space before
he compounds matters by hiring contact her.\\
'''Instead:''' [[NeverMyFault He blames the Avatar for kidnapping his daughter]] and decides to hire
the guy who whom he saw kidnapped her, who was one of the earthbenders that insisting she beat to bring her home by any means possible.possible. And when it fails? He completely disowns her and refusing to actually acknowledge her as his daughter.
25th Nov '17 3:22:06 PM jaydude1992
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'''Instead:''' Zuko publicly withdraws his support for the Harmony Restoration Movement, orders the departing colonials to return to the colonies and fortifies Yu Dao, not letting anyone in or out. Unsurprisingly, a lot of people see this as Zuko refusing to give up his colonies, and another war nearly starts.

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'''Instead:''' Zuko publicly withdraws his support for the Harmony Restoration Movement, orders the departing colonials to return to the colonies and fortifies Yu Dao, not letting anyone in or out. Unsurprisingly, a lot of people see this as Zuko refusing to give up his colonies, and another war nearly starts.\\
'''Bonus Idiocy:''' Much like Zuko himself, Kuei turns out to be a ReasonableAuthorityFigure once he's made aware of the true nature of Yu Dao. Zuko made the exact same mistake Kori did.
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