History WesternAnimation / TheIronGiant

23rd May '18 10:19:23 PM ElSquibbonator
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Sort of. At one point, Dean jokingly describes espresso as "coffee-zilla" when warning Hogarth against drinking it. While it's definitely possible Dean could have known about Franchise/{{Godzilla}}, or maybe was even a fan, it wasn't a household name in America in 1957. There were only two ''Godzilla'' movies in existence at the time, only one of which (''[[Film/GodzillaKingOfTheMonsters1956 Godzilla: King of the Monsters!]]'') had actually been released in the United States. The sole sequel (''Film/GodzillaRaidsAgain'') didn't come out in the USA until 1959. The only way this would make sense is if he [[{{Handwave}} coined the name on the spot]].

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Sort of. At one point, Dean jokingly describes espresso as "coffee-zilla" when warning Hogarth against drinking it. While it's definitely possible Dean could have known about Franchise/{{Godzilla}}, or maybe was even a fan, it Franchise/{{Godzilla}} wasn't a household name in America in 1957. There were only two ''Godzilla'' movies in existence at the time, only one of which (''[[Film/GodzillaKingOfTheMonsters1956 Godzilla: King of the Monsters!]]'') had actually been released in the United States. The sole sequel (''Film/GodzillaRaidsAgain'') didn't come out in While it's possible Dean might have known about the USA until 1959. The only way this Godzilla movies at the time, a child like Hogarth probably would make sense is if he [[{{Handwave}} coined not have gotten the name on the spot]].reference.


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* ArtisticLicenseShips: The submarine that fires the nuclear missile at the climax is identified as the USS Nautilus. The real USS Nautilus was not equipped to carry missiles, being armed only with torpedoes.
14th May '18 10:40:39 AM N1KF
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The {{Synopsis}} is [[Synopsis/TheIronGiant here]], but beware of {{spoiler}}s.

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The {{Synopsis}} {{Recap/Recap}} is [[Synopsis/TheIronGiant [[Recap/TheIronGiant here]], but beware of {{spoiler}}s.
13th May '18 10:04:05 PM 177624601
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* PottyEmergency: Hogary slips Mansly laxatives to keep him busy for a few hours while he check on the Giant, and Mansly is later seen [[BrickJoke taking frequent bathroom breaks for the rest of the day]].



* PottyEmergency: Hogary slips Mansly laxatives to keep him busy for a few hours while he check on the Giant, and Mansly is later seen [[BrickJoke taking frequent bathroom breaks for the rest of the day]].
13th May '18 9:57:26 PM 177624601
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* ANuclearError: [[spoiler:The film's climax features the ''USS Nautilus'' launching a ballistic missile]]; the RealLife ''Nautilus'' was incapable of doing so - it was a normal attack submarine (albeit the first powered by a reactor). The United States Navy did not have any ballistic missile submarines at all until the ''USS George Washington'' entered service in 1959, two years after the film is set. At the time, the USN's deterrent force were the ''guided'' missile submarines USS ''Tunny'' and USS ''Barbero,'' firing Regulus cruise missiles. Further, the missile appears to be a UGM-73 Poseidon C3 missile, not fielded until 1972 on the ''Lafayette'' and ''James Madison''-class [=SSBNs=].
* [[spoiler: The ‘’Nautillus’’ is stated to have first-strike capability, that is to say, they are accurate enough to hit specific points instead of general areas like cities. In reality, the missiles of the time had an accuracy rated in ‘’miles’’ and American submarine-launched missiles wouldn’t get first strike capability until ‘’1990’’.”

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* ANuclearError: [[spoiler:The film's climax features the ''USS Nautilus'' launching a ballistic missile]]; the RealLife ''Nautilus'' was incapable of doing so - it was a normal attack submarine (albeit the first powered by a reactor). The United States Navy did not have any ballistic missile submarines at all until the ''USS George Washington'' entered service in 1959, two years after the film is set. At the time, the USN's deterrent force were the ''guided'' missile submarines USS ''Tunny'' and USS ''Barbero,'' firing Regulus cruise missiles. Further, the missile appears to be a UGM-73 Poseidon C3 missile, not fielded until 1972 on the ''Lafayette'' and ''James Madison''-class [=SSBNs=].
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[=SSBNs=].[[spoiler: The ‘’Nautillus’’ is stated to have first-strike capability, that is to say, they are accurate enough to hit specific points instead of general areas like cities. In reality, the missiles of the time had an accuracy rated in ‘’miles’’ and American submarine-launched missiles wouldn’t get first strike capability until ‘’1990’’.”]]



** With the exception of [[RuleOfDrama the Nautilus' missile capability]] (see AError above), all the military hardware is period-appropriate. The soldiers carry M1 Garands, drive [=M41=] Walker Bulldog tanks, and the jet planes in the Superman scene are F-86 Sabres.

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** With the exception of [[RuleOfDrama the Nautilus' missile capability]] (see AError ANuclearError above), all the military hardware is period-appropriate. The soldiers carry M1 Garands, drive [=M41=] Walker Bulldog tanks, and the jet planes in the Superman scene are F-86 Sabres.


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* StylisticSuck: [[TheresNoBInMovie The sci-fi movie]] Hogarth watches, full-stop, BadBadActing and everything.
3rd May '18 2:06:40 PM kelly-away-from-home
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** That educational film shown in Hogarth's class, telling people that they can survive a nuclear blast by ducking and covering their heads, [[Film/DuckAndCover is based on a real thing]].

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** That educational film shown in Hogarth's class, telling people that they can survive a nuclear a blast by ducking and covering their heads, [[Film/DuckAndCover is based on a real thing]].



* ArtisticLicenseMilitary: Mansley snatches General Rogard's walkie-talkie and [[spoiler:orders a nuclear strike on Rockwell.]] In the (partial) defense of that scene, [[spoiler:the submarine crew was already all set for firing and waiting for the order, so Mansley's "LAUNCH THE MISSILE NOW!" could have been taken for it... although considering that they know it's a "danger close" launch of a nuke ''inside of a town full of American citizens'', it still probably would have merited at least a "come again?".]]
** In RealLife, Mansley grabbing the General's communication device and interfering with his actions during an extremely dangerous situation where a giant robot is laying waste and a nuclear strike is on the short list of options would have had the General's security detail immediately emptying their weapons into him in order to stop his actions and get the walkie-talkie back in the General's hands. ([[JustifiedTrope In said detail's defense]], they were probably distracted by the giant robot.)
* ArtisticLicenseNuclearPhysics: "My Nuke Is Going Critical" version. [[spoiler:When the Iron Giant intercepts and rams the nuclear missile fired by the Nautilus up in the ionosphere, it detonates. Nuclear weapons are specifically designed to fail to detonate if something goes wrong before they reach the target point. There should have been a much smaller, rocket-fuel explosion.]]

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* ArtisticLicenseMilitary: Mansley snatches General Rogard's walkie-talkie and [[spoiler:orders a nuclear a strike on Rockwell.]] In the (partial) defense of that scene, [[spoiler:the submarine crew was already all set for firing and waiting for the order, so Mansley's "LAUNCH THE MISSILE NOW!" could have been taken for it... although considering that they know it's a "danger close" launch of a nuke ''inside of a town full of American citizens'', it still probably would have merited at least a "come again?".]]
** In RealLife, Mansley grabbing the General's communication device and interfering with his actions during an extremely dangerous situation where a giant robot is laying waste and a nuclear a strike is on the short list of options would have had the General's security detail immediately emptying their weapons into him in order to stop his actions and get the walkie-talkie back in the General's hands. ([[JustifiedTrope In said detail's defense]], they were probably distracted by the giant robot.)
* ArtisticLicenseNuclearPhysics: ArtisticLicensePhysics: "My Nuke Is Going Critical" version. [[spoiler:When the Iron Giant intercepts and rams the nuclear the missile fired by the Nautilus up in the ionosphere, it detonates. Nuclear detonates. weapons are specifically designed to fail to detonate if something goes wrong before they reach the target point. There should have been a much smaller, rocket-fuel explosion.]]



** Don't bring Mansley's authority into question. [[spoiler:Just the Giant squinting disapprovingly at him is enough to make him flip and order a nuclear strike.]]

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** Don't bring Mansley's authority into question. [[spoiler:Just the Giant squinting disapprovingly at him is enough to make him flip and order a nuclear a strike.]]



* DidntThinkThisThrough: [[spoiler:Mansley launching the nuclear missile on the Giant]]. See NiceJobBreakingItHero and IdiotBall below.

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* DidntThinkThisThrough: [[spoiler:Mansley launching the nuclear the missile on the Giant]]. See NiceJobBreakingItHero and IdiotBall below.



* EvilRedhead: Mansley. Granted, he initially has good intentions, but pesters Hogarth repeatedly about the Giant, rents the Hughes's spare room under false pretences, steals Hogarth's camera and photos for his own use, threatens to have Hogarth taken away from Annie if he doesn't give up the Giant's location, and becomes so obsessed with destroying the Giant that he doesn't give a shit if Hogarth or indeed anyone else gets hurt or killed in doing so. [[spoiler:Even going so far as to launch a nuclear strike on the Giant, apparently having forgotten it would take out him along with the town as well as the Giant.]]

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* EvilRedhead: Mansley. Granted, he initially has good intentions, but pesters Hogarth repeatedly about the Giant, rents the Hughes's spare room under false pretences, steals Hogarth's camera and photos for his own use, threatens to have Hogarth taken away from Annie if he doesn't give up the Giant's location, and becomes so obsessed with destroying the Giant that he doesn't give a shit if Hogarth or indeed anyone else gets hurt or killed in doing so. [[spoiler:Even going so far as to launch a nuclear a strike on the Giant, apparently having forgotten it would take out him along with the town as well as the Giant.]]



* IdiotBall: Mansley plays around with it for the majority of the movie. [[spoiler: It's the finale where he firmly grasps it by ordering the nuclear strike on the Giant. [[OhCrap While he's in the same town full of innocent civilians as said giant.]] Note that the general actually ''warned him only minutes before about this''.]]

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* IdiotBall: Mansley plays around with it for the majority of the movie. [[spoiler: It's the finale where he firmly grasps it by ordering the nuclear the strike on the Giant. [[OhCrap While he's in the same town full of innocent civilians as said giant.]] Note that the general actually ''warned him only minutes before about this''.]]



* NegateYourOwnSacrifice: The Giant sacrifices himself to save the inhabitants of a small New England town from a nuclear missile, closing his eyes and contentedly intoning, "[[ShoutOut I'm...]] Franchise/{{S|uperman}}uuupermaan," the question of whether he's a mere machine or a self-determining life form [[TearJerker answered in the most final way possible]]. Or, it ''would'' be the most final way possible, if not for [[{{Denouement}} one more scene]], apparently added to keep from scarring the young children in the audience for life, showing him reassembling himself thanks to a truly staggering HealingFactor.

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* NegateYourOwnSacrifice: The Giant sacrifices himself to save the inhabitants of a small New England town from a nuclear a missile, closing his eyes and contentedly intoning, "[[ShoutOut I'm...]] Franchise/{{S|uperman}}uuupermaan," the question of whether he's a mere machine or a self-determining life form [[TearJerker answered in the most final way possible]]. Or, it ''would'' be the most final way possible, if not for [[{{Denouement}} one more scene]], apparently added to keep from scarring the young children in the audience for life, showing him reassembling himself thanks to a truly staggering HealingFactor.



* NiceJobBreakingItHero: From a certain point of view since Mansley did have good intentions. [[spoiler:But he panics and nearly brings nuclear death on the area]]. Rogard puts it bluntly...

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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: From a certain point of view since Mansley did have good intentions. [[spoiler:But he panics and nearly brings nuclear brings death on the area]]. Rogard puts it bluntly...



* ANuclearError: [[spoiler:The film's climax features the ''USS Nautilus'' launching a nuclear-armed ballistic missile]]; the RealLife ''Nautilus'' was incapable of doing so - it was a normal attack submarine (albeit the first powered by a nuclear reactor). The United States Navy did not have any ballistic missile submarines at all until the ''USS George Washington'' entered service in 1959, two years after the film is set. At the time, the USN's nuclear deterrent force were the ''guided'' missile submarines USS ''Tunny'' and USS ''Barbero,'' firing Regulus cruise missiles. Further, the missile appears to be a UGM-73 Poseidon C3 missile, not fielded until 1972 on the ''Lafayette'' and ''James Madison''-class [=SSBNs=].
* NukeEm: [[spoiler:The film has a sequence where paranoid intelligence agent Kent Mansley prompts a nuclear strike on the Giant because he wanted to see the Giant destroyed, rashly ordering it by [[TooDumbToLive grabbing the radio]] from the [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure General]] that was about to have them stand down, as the situation was over. The General then asks "WHERE'S THE GIANT, MANSLEY?!" Which is [[OhCrap about 50 feet from him]].]]

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* ANuclearError: [[spoiler:The film's climax features the ''USS Nautilus'' launching a nuclear-armed ballistic missile]]; the RealLife ''Nautilus'' was incapable of doing so - it was a normal attack submarine (albeit the first powered by a nuclear a reactor). The United States Navy did not have any ballistic missile submarines at all until the ''USS George Washington'' entered service in 1959, two years after the film is set. At the time, the USN's nuclear USN's deterrent force were the ''guided'' missile submarines USS ''Tunny'' and USS ''Barbero,'' firing Regulus cruise missiles. Further, the missile appears to be a UGM-73 Poseidon C3 missile, not fielded until 1972 on the ''Lafayette'' and ''James Madison''-class [=SSBNs=].
* [[spoiler: The ‘’Nautillus’’ is stated to have first-strike capability, that is to say, they are accurate enough to hit specific points instead of general areas like cities. In reality, the missiles of the time had an accuracy rated in ‘’miles’’ and American submarine-launched missiles wouldn’t get first strike capability until ‘’1990’’.”
* NukeEm: [[spoiler:The film has a sequence where paranoid intelligence agent Kent Mansley prompts a nuclear a strike on the Giant because he wanted to see the Giant destroyed, rashly ordering it by [[TooDumbToLive grabbing the radio]] from the [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure General]] that was about to have them stand down, as the situation was over. The General then asks "WHERE'S THE GIANT, MANSLEY?!" Which is [[OhCrap about 50 feet from him]].]]



** Mansley, upon realizing that [[spoiler:he's doomed himself and the town of Rockwell to nuclear incineration.]]

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** Mansley, upon realizing that [[spoiler:he's doomed himself and the town of Rockwell to nuclear to incineration.]]



* RuleOfSymbolism: [[spoiler:After the giant's saving of the town, the nuclear blast looks a lot like the star of Bethlehem.]]

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* RuleOfSymbolism: [[spoiler:After the giant's saving of the town, the nuclear the blast looks a lot like the star of Bethlehem.]]



** With the exception of [[RuleOfDrama the Nautilus' missile capability]] (see ANuclearError above), all the military hardware is period-appropriate. The soldiers carry M1 Garands, drive [=M41=] Walker Bulldog tanks, and the jet planes in the Superman scene are F-86 Sabres.

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** With the exception of [[RuleOfDrama the Nautilus' missile capability]] (see ANuclearError AError above), all the military hardware is period-appropriate. The soldiers carry M1 Garands, drive [=M41=] Walker Bulldog tanks, and the jet planes in the Superman scene are F-86 Sabres.



** Mansley, again, when he turns to see that the Giant, which he just ''launched a nuclear missile at,'' is standing '''''right there next to him.'''''

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** Mansley, again, when he turns to see that the Giant, which he just ''launched a nuclear a missile at,'' is standing '''''right there next to him.'''''
2nd May '18 7:35:32 PM gjjones
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* TanksForNothing: When the Giant [[spoiler:goes berserk after Hogarth's assumed demise]], the Bulldog tanks attempt to destroy it without any effect.



* WaveMotionGun: [[spoiler:The Giant has one. Lucky for the battleship he was aiming at, Hogarth distracted him.]]

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* WaveMotionGun: [[spoiler:The Giant has one. Lucky one powerful enough to destroy a ship. Fortunately for the battleship he was aiming at, Hogarth distracted him.intervened.]]
22nd Apr '18 6:18:27 PM FictionIsntReal
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** Except that the novel was published in 1968, long before ET.
12th Apr '18 4:53:50 AM Killerweinerdog
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** Mansley, again, when asked by a furious Rogard '''''"WHERE'S THE GIANT MANSLEY?"''''' and he turns to see that the aforementioned Giant, which he just ''launched a nuclear missile at,'' is standing '''''right there next to them.'''''

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** Mansley, again, when asked by a furious Rogard '''''"WHERE'S THE GIANT MANSLEY?"''''' and he turns to see that the aforementioned Giant, which he just ''launched a nuclear missile at,'' is standing '''''right there next to them.him.'''''
6th Apr '18 8:47:18 PM NausicaaoftheSpirits
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* SuddenlyShouting: "This... is junk. What you currently have ''IN YOUR MOUTH'' IS '''ART!'''"

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* SuddenlyShouting: "This... is junk."There are two types of metal in this yard. Scrap and art. If you gotta eat one of them, eat the scrap. What you currently have ''IN YOUR MOUTH'' IS '''ART!'''"
20th Mar '18 6:16:47 AM Killerweinerdog
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** Mansley, again, when asked by a furious Rogard '''''"WHERE'S THE GIANT MANSLEY?''''' and he turns to see that the aforementioned Giant, which he just ''launched a nuclear missile at,'' is standing '''''right there next to them.'''''

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** Mansley, again, when asked by a furious Rogard '''''"WHERE'S THE GIANT MANSLEY?''''' MANSLEY?"''''' and he turns to see that the aforementioned Giant, which he just ''launched a nuclear missile at,'' is standing '''''right there next to them.'''''
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