History WesternAnimation / ChallengeOfTheGobots

6th Sep '16 3:03:14 PM Glowsquid
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* OffModel: In a case of literaly using the wrong character model, the [[PalleteSwap similar-looking]] Guardian Baron Von Joy and the Renegade Dr. Go were often drawn as each-other.



* TheRival: Zero was the Renegades' leader before Cy-Kill defected and stole the job from him. Zero has never stopped resenting him for it.



* SurroundedByIdiots: And poor Cy-Kill knows it. No wonder he values Fi-Tor so highly, since Fi-Tor is loyal, intelligent, ''and'' competent, when hardly anyone else in the Renegade army is all three. In fairness, Cy-Kill ''didn't'' hire these shnooks; the Renegades were a pre-existing army, and he seized command of them when he left the Guardians, booting Zero out of the boss position.

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* SurroundedByIdiots: And poor Cy-Kill knows it. No wonder he values Fi-Tor so highly, since Fi-Tor is loyal, intelligent, ''and'' competent, when hardly anyone else in the Renegade army is all three. In fairness, Cy-Kill ''didn't'' hire these shnooks; the Renegades were a pre-existing army, and he seized command of them when he left the Guardians, booting Zero out of the boss position.Guardians.
5th Sep '16 5:52:46 PM CRE040295
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* AbsenteeActor:
** Aside from Cy-Kill being mentioned by Turbo, none of the Renegades appear in "The [=GoBots=] that Time Forgot".
** The Guardians' human allies Matt Hunter, Nick, and AJ are sometimes absent, one notable instant being the show's final episode "Quest for New Earth".
1st Sep '16 8:40:52 AM DarkStorm
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* CombiningMecha: The Puzzlers. Also Courageous, which was formed from a starship and four suits of PoweredArmor.

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* CombiningMecha: The Puzzlers. Also Renegades' Puzzler (made up of six individual robots), and the Guardians' Courageous, which was formed from a starship and four suits of PoweredArmor. PoweredArmor. The toy line had a two (or possibly three) others, Grungy (a villainous counterpart to Courageous) and Monsterous (made up of six monster robots), and Nemesis (another villainous version of Courageous that may or may not have actually been released).
29th Jun '16 3:48:36 PM rjd1922
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The GoBots were largely forgotten, even after Hasbro bought Tonka in 1991. By the mid 2000s, the Transformers toyline and ancillary fiction began incorporating a few sly winks to its old competitor. In 2010, it was finally declared that the [=GoBots=] were, in fact, [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/GoBots_(franchise) actually part]] of the ''Transformers'' multiverse, albeit very distant analogues- and that at least one [=GoBot=] literally ''was'' a dimension-hopping Transformer.

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The GoBots [=GoBots=] were largely forgotten, even after Hasbro bought Tonka in 1991. By the mid 2000s, the Transformers toyline and ancillary fiction began incorporating a few sly winks to its old competitor. In 2010, it was finally declared that the [=GoBots=] were, in fact, [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/GoBots_(franchise) actually part]] of the ''Transformers'' multiverse, albeit very distant analogues- and that at least one [=GoBot=] literally ''was'' a dimension-hopping Transformer.
27th Jun '16 4:25:09 PM Locoman
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* {{Retcon}}: ''Ask Vector Prime'' and ''Renegade Rhetoric'' provided some interesting tweaks to the [=GoBots=] mythology in order to strengthen its ties to the ''Transformers'' universe. The "Evil One", a demigod-esque [=GoBot=] from "In Search of Ancient Gobonauts", was revealed to be an incarnation of The Fallen - you might know him as the guy from the 2009 movie. The Renegade Stretch was likewise revealed to be a Decepticon who had fallen out of the ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' universe and wound up on Gobotron.
27th Jun '16 6:22:08 AM Locoman
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In ''our'' reality, at least, the [=GoBots=] exist in a kind of legal limbo: Hasbro owns the rights to the characters and the premise, allowing them to get away with things such as "Renegade Rhetoric." However, their competitor Bandai maintains control of the original ''Machine Robo'' molds. Don't go expecting a major revival any time soon...

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In ''our'' reality, at least, the [=GoBots=] exist in a kind of legal limbo: Hasbro owns the rights to the characters and the premise, allowing them to get away with things such as "Renegade Rhetoric." However, Warner owns the rights to the cartoon, and their competitor Bandai maintains control of the original ''Machine Robo'' molds. Don't go expecting a major revival any time soon...
27th Jun '16 6:18:45 AM Locoman
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Despite the tagline of "Mighty Robots, Mighty Vehicles", the [=GoBots=] were in fact {{Cyborg}}s - alien humanoids who transferred their brains into robot bodies after their civil war had ruined their planet's biosphere. The Guardians then began converting the otherwise-dead world into a completely metal-sheathed CityPlanet, breaking up entire uninhabited worldlets for the necessary materials. At the time of the series, this massive construction effort was still ongoing, accounting for the metal world's peculiar "apple-core" shape. The [=GoBots=]' origin as organic beings accounted for the presence of genders among the characters - in fact, ''[=GoBots=]'' stood out among 80's cartoons for having a diverse cast: not only did the show include ,ore female characters than the ''Transformers'', it also included a woman of colour as a major protagonist!

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Despite the tagline of "Mighty Robots, Mighty Vehicles", the [=GoBots=] were in fact {{Cyborg}}s - alien humanoids who transferred their brains into robot bodies after their civil war had ruined their planet's biosphere. The Guardians then began converting the otherwise-dead world into a completely metal-sheathed CityPlanet, breaking up entire uninhabited worldlets for the necessary materials. At the time of the series, this massive construction effort was still ongoing, accounting for the metal world's peculiar "apple-core" shape. The [=GoBots=]' origin as organic beings accounted for the presence of genders among the characters - in fact, ''[=GoBots=]'' stood out among 80's cartoons for having a diverse cast: not only did the show include ,ore more female characters than the original ''Transformers'', it also included a woman of colour as a major protagonist!



While ''Challenge of the [=GoBots=]'' initially held up well against the early ''Transformers'' media blitz, the line began to flag in 1985. Although the [=GoBots=] were cheaper and thus more desirable (at least for parents), the line was outdone by the ''Transformers'', who sported descriptive bios and a massive cast. The line limped into 1986 with a hastily-produced feature film, ''Challenge of the Rock Lords'', a commercial and critical flop that signalled the end of the [=GoBots=].

The line fizzled out for many years until Hasbro bought Tonka in 1991. The Transformers toyline began incorporating a few sly winks to its old competitor. In 2010, it was finally declared that the [=GoBots=] were, in fact, [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/GoBots_(franchise) actually part]] of the ''Transformers'' multiverse, albeit very distant analogues- and that at least one [=GoBot=] literally ''was'' a dimension-hopping Transformer.

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While ''Challenge of the [=GoBots=]'' initially held up well against the early initial onslaught of ''Transformers'' media blitz, paraphernalia, the line began to flag in 1985. Although the [=GoBots=] were cheaper and thus more desirable (at least for parents), the line was outdone by the ''Transformers'', who sported descriptive bios bios, diverse transformations, and a massive cast. The line limped into 1986 with a hastily-produced feature film, ''Challenge ''Battle of the Rock Lords'', a commercial and critical flop that more or less signalled the end of the [=GoBots=].

[=GoBots=]. The line fizzled out for many years until soon afterwards.

The GoBots were largely forgotten, even after
Hasbro bought Tonka in 1991. The By the mid 2000s, the Transformers toyline and ancillary fiction began incorporating a few sly winks to its old competitor. In 2010, it was finally declared that the [=GoBots=] were, in fact, [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/GoBots_(franchise) actually part]] of the ''Transformers'' multiverse, albeit very distant analogues- and that at least one [=GoBot=] literally ''was'' a dimension-hopping Transformer.



In ''our'' reality, at least, the [=GoBots=] exist in a kind of legal limbo: Hasbro owns the rights to the characters and the premise, allowing them to get away with things such as "Renegade Rhetoric." However, Warner owns the rights to the cartoon, and their competitor Bandai maintains control of the original ''Machine Robo'' molds. Don't go expecting a major revival any time soon...

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In ''our'' reality, at least, the [=GoBots=] exist in a kind of legal limbo: Hasbro owns the rights to the characters and the premise, allowing them to get away with things such as "Renegade Rhetoric." However, Warner owns the rights to the cartoon, and their competitor Bandai maintains control of the original ''Machine Robo'' molds. Don't go expecting a major revival any time soon...
26th Jun '16 7:40:00 PM Glowsquid
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In ''our'' reality, at least, the [=GoBots=] exist in a kind of legal limbo: Hasbro owns the rights to the characters and the original cartoon, allowing them to get away with things such as "Renegade Rhetoric." However, their competitor Bandai maintains control of the original ''Machine Robo'' molds. Don't go expecting a major revival any time soon...

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In ''our'' reality, at least, the [=GoBots=] exist in a kind of legal limbo: Hasbro owns the rights to the characters and the original cartoon, premise, allowing them to get away with things such as "Renegade Rhetoric." However, Warner owns the rights to the cartoon, and their competitor Bandai maintains control of the original ''Machine Robo'' molds. Don't go expecting a major revival any time soon...
26th Jun '16 7:31:25 PM Locoman
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->"Mighty robots! Mighty vehicles!"\\




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[[caption-width-right:350:Duh-daaah-dah! Duh daaah-dah!]]
26th Jun '16 7:28:49 PM Locoman
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''Challenge of the [=GoBots=]'' dealt with two opposing forces of [[TransformingMecha transforming robots]] from the planet Gobotron: the heroic Guardians and the evil Renegades. The Guardians were led by Leader-1; others included Turbo and Scooter. The Renegades were led by Cy-Kill, with Crasher and Cop-Tur among their ranks.

The characters rarely had guns, instead shooting energy blasts out of their fists. Although RuleOfCool may state otherwise, ''built-in'' weaponry does make a lot more sense for a robot, when you think about it (and if you observed closely, the Transformers in the 2007 live-action movie seem to follow this rule, with all their weapons being "onboard").

The [=GoBots=]' origin as organic beings accounted for the presence of genders among the robots. Unlike ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'', '' Challenge of the [=GoBots=]'' had regular female characters (the Transformers eventually ''also'' added female castmembers, but it was never clear what gender could mean for an ''inorganic'' race). However, the females were built like the males. Only Crasher received any distinguishable feminine features.

Also, since they did have ''young'' [=GoBots=] who needed to be educated, and the characters did not make claims to [[TimeAbyss vast age]] like the {{Transformers}} did, it appears that [=GoBots=] do age, reproduce, and experience generational turnover like any other biological race (although exactly ''how'' their two genders reproduce would be [[{{Squick}} anybody's guess]]).

Notably, the Renegades do use ''nonsentient, inorganic'' robots as weapons, such as the [[HumongousMecha Zods]] and the [[CombiningMecha Puzzlers;]] while the Guardians use [[TransformingMecha piloted mecha]] called Command Centers and PoweredArmor called Power Suits. Only one episode features a ''sentient'' inorganic robot, and interestingly, it is human-built. The movie also introduced Nuggit, who is identified as a true robot.

Their race became cyborgs in order to survive after their long-standing civil war had decimated their planet's biosphere beyond repair. The Guardians then began converting the otherwise-dead world into a completely metal-sheathed CityPlanet, breaking up entire uninhabited worldlets for the necessary materials. At the time of the series, this massive construction effort is still ongoing, accounting for the metal world's peculiar "apple-core" shape.

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In 1983, Tonka acquired the North American license for Bandai's ''Machine Robo'' line of toys, perhaps as a response to its chief rival Hasbro's acquisition of Takara's ''Diaclone'' figures. Catching wind of Hasbro's Stateside release of Takara's ''Diaclone'' toys, Tonka hastily commissioned Hanna-Barbera to create an animated series, anticipating Hasbro's own ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' media blitz. Thus was born...
''Challenge of the [=GoBots=]'' dealt with two opposing forces of [[TransformingMecha transforming robots]] from the planet Gobotron: the heroic Guardians and the evil Renegades. The Guardians were led by Leader-1; others included Turbo and Scooter. The Renegades were led by Cy-Kill, with Crasher and Cop-Tur among their ranks.[=GoBots=]''.

The series dealt with two opposing forces of [[TransformingMecha transforming robots]] from the planet Gobotron: the heroic Guardians and the evil Renegades. The Guardians were led by Leader-1, accompanied by Turbo and Scooter. The Renegades were led by the evil Cy-Kill, with Crasher and Cop-Tur among their ranks. The characters rarely had guns, instead shooting energy blasts out of their fists. Although RuleOfCool may state otherwise, ''built-in'' weaponry does make a lot more sense for a robot, when you think about it (and if you observed closely, fists.

Despite
the Transformers in tagline of "Mighty Robots, Mighty Vehicles", the 2007 live-action movie seem to follow this rule, with all their weapons being "onboard").

The [=GoBots=]' origin as organic beings accounted for the presence of genders among the robots. Unlike ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'', '' Challenge of the [=GoBots=]'' had regular female characters (the Transformers eventually ''also'' added female castmembers, but it was never clear what gender could mean for an ''inorganic'' race). However, the females were built like the males. Only Crasher received any distinguishable feminine features.

Also, since they did have ''young''
[=GoBots=] were in fact {{Cyborg}}s - alien humanoids who needed to be educated, and the characters did not make claims to [[TimeAbyss vast age]] like the {{Transformers}} did, it appears that [=GoBots=] do age, reproduce, and experience generational turnover like any other biological race (although exactly ''how'' transferred their two genders reproduce would be [[{{Squick}} anybody's guess]]).

Notably, the Renegades do use ''nonsentient, inorganic'' robots as weapons, such as the [[HumongousMecha Zods]] and the [[CombiningMecha Puzzlers;]] while the Guardians use [[TransformingMecha piloted mecha]] called Command Centers and PoweredArmor called Power Suits. Only one episode features a ''sentient'' inorganic robot, and interestingly, it is human-built. The movie also introduced Nuggit, who is identified as a true robot.

Their race became cyborgs in order to survive
brains into robot bodies after their long-standing civil war had decimated ruined their planet's biosphere beyond repair.biosphere. The Guardians then began converting the otherwise-dead world into a completely metal-sheathed CityPlanet, breaking up entire uninhabited worldlets for the necessary materials. At the time of the series, this massive construction effort is was still ongoing, accounting for the metal world's peculiar "apple-core" shape.
shape. The [=GoBots=]' origin as organic beings accounted for the presence of genders among the characters - in fact, ''[=GoBots=]'' stood out among 80's cartoons for having a diverse cast: not only did the show include ,ore female characters than the ''Transformers'', it also included a woman of colour as a major protagonist!



''Challenge of the [=GoBots=]'' is considered to be a rip-off of ''Transformers''; this is only partially true. The [=GoBots=] toyline pre-dates the Transformers toyline (recycling a lot of MachineRobo toys). However, the cartoon was [[DuelingShows created as a response to]] the ''Transformers'' cartoon.

Despite addressing some valid and interesting science fiction tropes (as listed below), the series's biggest handicap, apart from its obvious similarity to the {{Transformers}}, was probably its "toony" character design, as compared to the comic book-realism of the {{Transformers}} art. (This may account for the show's popularity in Europe, where toony character designs in [[SpartakusAndTheSunBeneathTheSea adventure shows]] and [[Franchise/{{Tintin}} comics]] are more common.) In addition, the sheer number of characters who had their own spotlight episodes in the Transformers (generally the newest toys in the line) meant that kids would have a lot of choices for favourite characters, while the Gobots cartoon generally focused on the Guardian and Renegade PowerTrio, with most other characters being more like guest stars who made brief appearances.

The fact that the Transformers toys also had numerous accessories and clear delineations between the two factions also pushed the Transformers over the Gobots. For example, as mentioned above, the Gobots wore no faction symbols, nor was there a clear theme between factions the way the original 1984 Decepticons were generally war machines (Megatron the gun, Starscream the jet) or designed for infiltration (Soundwave the tape deck, Reflector the camera) while the Autobots were generally automobiles.

But more than this, it was the fact that virtually every Transformers toy released had a bio and techspecs that described the character, their abilities and personalities that pushed the Transformers brand over the Gobots (whose toys generally had no bio other than their name and allegiance). Even the toys of characters who made no appearances in the cartoon (e.g. the Deluxe Insecticons Barrage, Chop Shop and Venom, or the Wreckers Whirl and Roadbuster) gained a lot of personality from these bios, which were sometimes the only characterization they received.

Interestingly, it is now [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/GoBots_(franchise) actually considered part]] of the ''Transformers'' multiverse. [[note]]Creator/{{Hasbro}} purchased Tonka, the manufactures of [=GoBots=], with Kenner in 1991.[[/note]] Though it's emphasized that it's a ''distant'' part of said multiverse.

There are at least two other {{Alternate Continuit|y}}ies for the franchise (apart from the modern Transformers version). A British [[NewspaperComics comic strip]] called ''Robo Machines'' appeared in the periodical ''Eagle'' from November of '84 to July of '85, featuring a radically different storyline ([[{{Wikipedia}} the other wiki]] has information [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robo_Machines_(comic) here.)]] And in France, where the American show had been quite popular, the Japanese ''MachineRobo'' series was used as a second season, despite the drastic ArtShift between the series.

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''Challenge of the [=GoBots=]'' is considered to be a rip-off of ''Transformers''; this is only partially true. The [=GoBots=] toyline pre-dates the Transformers toyline (recycling a lot of MachineRobo toys). However, the cartoon was [[DuelingShows created as a response to]] the ''Transformers'' cartoon.

Despite addressing some valid and interesting science fiction tropes (as listed below), the series's biggest handicap, apart from its obvious similarity to the {{Transformers}}, was probably its "toony" character design, as compared to the comic book-realism of the {{Transformers}} art. (This may account for the show's popularity in Europe, where toony character designs in [[SpartakusAndTheSunBeneathTheSea adventure shows]] and [[Franchise/{{Tintin}} comics]] are more common.) In addition, the sheer number of characters who had their own spotlight episodes in the Transformers (generally the newest toys in the line) meant that kids would have a lot of choices for favourite characters, while the Gobots cartoon generally focused on the Guardian and Renegade PowerTrio, with most other characters being more like guest stars who made brief appearances.

The fact that the Transformers toys also had numerous accessories and clear delineations between the two factions also pushed the Transformers over the Gobots. For example, as mentioned above, the Gobots wore no faction symbols, nor was there a clear theme between factions the way the original 1984 Decepticons were generally war machines (Megatron the gun, Starscream the jet) or designed for infiltration (Soundwave the tape deck, Reflector the camera) while the Autobots were generally automobiles.

But more than this, it was the fact that virtually every Transformers toy released had a bio and techspecs that described the character, their abilities and personalities that pushed the Transformers brand over the Gobots (whose toys generally had no bio other than their name and allegiance). Even the toys of characters who made no appearances in the cartoon (e.g. the Deluxe Insecticons Barrage, Chop Shop and Venom, or the Wreckers Whirl and Roadbuster) gained a lot of personality from these bios, which were sometimes the only characterization they received.

Interestingly, it is now [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/GoBots_(franchise) actually considered part]] of the ''Transformers'' multiverse. [[note]]Creator/{{Hasbro}} purchased Tonka, the manufactures of [=GoBots=], with Kenner in 1991.[[/note]] Though it's emphasized that it's a ''distant'' part of said multiverse.

There are were at least two other {{Alternate Continuit|y}}ies for the franchise (apart from the modern Transformers version).franchise. A British [[NewspaperComics comic strip]] called ''Robo Machines'' appeared in the periodical ''Eagle'' from November of '84 to July of '85, featuring a radically different storyline ([[{{Wikipedia}} the other wiki]] has information [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robo_Machines_(comic) here.)]] And in In France, where the American show had been quite popular, the Japanese ''MachineRobo'' series was used as a second season, despite the drastic ArtShift between the series.series.

While ''Challenge of the [=GoBots=]'' initially held up well against the early ''Transformers'' media blitz, the line began to flag in 1985. Although the [=GoBots=] were cheaper and thus more desirable (at least for parents), the line was outdone by the ''Transformers'', who sported descriptive bios and a massive cast. The line limped into 1986 with a hastily-produced feature film, ''Challenge of the Rock Lords'', a commercial and critical flop that signalled the end of the [=GoBots=].

The line fizzled out for many years until Hasbro bought Tonka in 1991. The Transformers toyline began incorporating a few sly winks to its old competitor. In 2010, it was finally declared that the [=GoBots=] were, in fact, [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/GoBots_(franchise) actually part]] of the ''Transformers'' multiverse, albeit very distant analogues- and that at least one [=GoBot=] literally ''was'' a dimension-hopping Transformer.



In 2015, Cy-Kill began hosting ''Renegade Rhetoric'', a Facebook feature endorsed by Hasbro. The in-story explanation being the Cy-Kill from the cartoon wound up in the dimensional hub-world of Axiom Nexus and was gathering power to return to Gobotron in triumph. The feature is decidedly tongue-in-cheek, as Cy-Kill is more than happy to take potshots at the Transformers universe. He argues, for example, that ''Renegades'' is a lot more ambiguous and potentially trustworthy than naming your group ''Decepticons''. The bulk of the answers describe plots for a season 2 of ''Challenge of the [=GoBots=]'' purportedly produced in an alternate universe where the franchise won the robot toy war of the 1980s and went on to have several decades of spin-off media (all of it similar in description to various ''Transformers'' works in our reality, with Transformers making cameos in media where Gobots appeared in corresponding stories).

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In 2015, Facebook's "Ask Vector Prime" feature was temporarily usurped by "Renegade Rhetoric", hosted by Cy-Kill began hosting ''Renegade Rhetoric'', a Facebook feature endorsed by Hasbro. The in-story explanation being the Cy-Kill from the cartoon wound up in the dimensional hub-world of Axiom Nexus and was gathering power to return to Gobotron in triumph. himself. The feature is was decidedly tongue-in-cheek, as Cy-Kill is was more than happy to take potshots at the Transformers universe. He argues, for example, that ''Renegades'' is a lot more ambiguous and potentially trustworthy than naming your group ''Decepticons''. The bulk of the answers describe described plots for a season 2 "season 2" of ''Challenge of the [=GoBots=]'' purportedly [=GoBots=]'', produced in an alternate universe where the franchise won the robot toy war of the 1980s and went on to have several decades of spin-off media (all of it similar in description to various ''Transformers'' works in our reality.

In ''our''
reality, at least, the [=GoBots=] exist in a kind of legal limbo: Hasbro owns the rights to the characters and the original cartoon, allowing them to get away with Transformers making cameos in media where Gobots appeared in corresponding stories).
things such as "Renegade Rhetoric." However, their competitor Bandai maintains control of the original ''Machine Robo'' molds. Don't go expecting a major revival any time soon...



* HumongousMecha: Zod is a gigantic mechanical beast.

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* HumongousMecha: Zod Despite being cyborgs, both sides used nonsentient, inorganic robots as weapons, such as the [[HumongousMecha Zods]] and the [[CombiningMecha Puzzlers;]] while the Guardians use [[TransformingMecha piloted mecha]] called Command Centers and PoweredArmor called Power Suits. Only one episode features a ''sentient'' inorganic robot, and interestingly, it is human-built. The movie also introduced Nuggit, who is identified as a gigantic mechanical beast.true robot.


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* VagueAge: How old are the [=GoBots=]? There are ''young'' [=GoBots=] who needed to be educated, and the characters did not make claims to [[TimeAbyss vast age]] like the {{Transformers}} did, so it appears that [=GoBots=] do age, reproduce, and experience generational turnover like any other biological race (although exactly ''how'' GoBots propagate their species is anyone's guess).
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