History WellIntentionedExtremist / WesternAnimation

20th Mar '18 9:00:55 PM GlacierWolf
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** Starlight Glimmer wants to spread friendship and equality throughout all of Equestria...by robbing ponies of their special talents. Starlight, however, turned out to be a [[spoiler: {{hypocrite}} because she had her talent all along (though it is possible that [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation she was going to equalise herself for real once she'd done so to everypony in Equestria, and hadn't done so already because she knew that she would lack the drive to complete her goal]]). This causes all her support to implode and she goes down in history as an evil ruler, undoing any good her methods might have brought. [[spoiler:The Season 5 finale later reveals that she adopted her ideology of friendship through total equality because of a childhood friend, Sunburst, who left her when she was a filly after receiving his cutie mark. This caused her to believe that cutie marks are harmful to friendship, and to create her equality village, in hopes of creating a society where no one could ever boast about being different or being better than others.]]

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** Starlight Glimmer wants to spread friendship and equality throughout all of Equestria...by robbing ponies of their special talents. Starlight, however, turned out to be a [[spoiler: {{hypocrite}} because she had her talent all along (though it is possible that [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation she was going to equalise equalize herself for real once she'd done so to everypony in Equestria, and hadn't done so already because she knew that she would lack the drive to complete her goal]]).goal)]]. This causes all her support to implode and she goes down in history as an evil ruler, undoing any good her methods might have brought. ]]
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[[spoiler:The Season 5 finale later reveals that she Starlight Glimmer adopted her ideology of friendship through total equality because of a her childhood friend, Sunburst, who left her when she was a filly after receiving his cutie mark. This caused her to believe that cutie marks are harmful to friendship, blame Cutie Marks for what happened, and to create her equality village, in hopes of creating a society where no one nopony could ever boast about being different or being better than others.others, and on top of all that, nopony would leave anypony else just to follow whatever destiny their Cutie Mark represents, like how Sunburst left Starlight.]]



* ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'': As of Season 2, it's strongly hinted that [[BigBad Hawkmoth]] might be this. He wants the "ultimate power" that comes with possessing both Ladybug and Chat Noir's {{Transformation Trinket}}s not to TakeOverTheWorld, but siomply to bring his beloved wife BackFromTheDead, and it's not yet clear whether or not he actually knows that the only way to accomplish such a feat is via BalancingDeathsBooks. This does not however make him any more of a sympathetic character, given that TheReveal of his motives came as a package with the reveal of his true identity as [[spoiler:Adrien's father.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'': As of Season 2, it's strongly hinted that [[BigBad Hawkmoth]] might be this. He wants the "ultimate power" that comes with possessing both Ladybug and Chat Noir's {{Transformation Trinket}}s not to TakeOverTheWorld, but siomply simply to bring his beloved wife BackFromTheDead, and it's not yet clear whether or not he actually knows that the only way to accomplish such a feat is via BalancingDeathsBooks. This does not however make him any more of a sympathetic character, given that TheReveal of his motives came as a package with the reveal of his true identity as [[spoiler:Adrien's father.]]
31st Jan '18 1:56:42 PM UchuuFlamenco
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* Helena in ''WesternAnimation/NeoYokio'' [[spoiler:blew up the Bachelor Ranking Board in the center of Neo Yokio. She saw the board as part of Neo Yokio's culture of greed and subjugation of the working class.]]
26th Dec '17 12:28:38 PM Jake
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* ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'': As of Season 2, it's strongly hinted that [[BigBad Hawkmoth]] might be this. He wants the "ultimate power" that comes with possessing both Ladybug and Chat Noir's {{Transformation Trinket}}s not to TakeOverTheWorld, but siomply to bring his beloved wife BackFromTheDead, and it's not yet clear whether or not he actually knows that the only way to accomplish such a feat is via BalancingDeathsBooks. This does not however make him any more of a sympathetic character, given that TheReveal of his motives came as a package with the reveal of his true identity as [[spoiler:Adrien's father.]]
27th Nov '17 4:45:40 PM Kissinger113
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* Creator/{{Pixar}} has some examples - Pete Docter, director of ''WesternAnimation/{{Up}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc'', even said what he thinks is a "true" villain ("I'm gonna wake up and do evil!") is an unrealistic character.
** Waternoose from ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc'' is a father-like figure to Sulley and, his motto "We Scare Because We Care" is genuine, as he really does wish to maintain the Monster World through providing energy from children's screams. So, to this ends, he has Randall build a horrifying machine that will suck the screams out of children and, [[EngineeredPublicConfession as he says to Sulley]], is willing to "kidnap a THOUSAND children before he lets the company die...and silence anyone who gets in my way!"
** ''WesternAnimation/WallE'''s AUTO, the autopilot of the ''Axiom'', refuses to let the inhabitants go back to Earth, even though this directive is more than 700 years old and plant life does exist (as shown at the end). But hey, he's a computer. He can't choose ''not'' to follow his programming. He's not so much a [[AIIsACrapshoot crazy A.I.]] as just following an ill-considered directive by a man seven centuries dead. Besides, realistically speaking, one healthy plant does not promise enough resources for the entire population of that huge ship. Which is another reason why Pixar decided to add that lengthy musical montage as the coda.
** Charles Muntz from ''WesternAnimation/{{Up}}'' just wants to catch a bird and prove that he was right. Unfortunately, his methods (after going completely crazy) include killing everybody who shows up at his refuge and gets in his way.
2nd Oct '17 6:59:34 PM TheMountainKing
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** [[GloriousLeader Kuvira]] is completely correct in her initial points. When she stepped in, the Earth Kingdom had collapsed into anarchy, the heir apparent was a [[RoyalBrat bumbling idiot]] and completely unsuited for the position, and the idea of a monarchy is itself an obsolescent relic in a technological age. That said, her solution is to overthrow the Earth Kingdom and declare an Earth Empire in its place, which [[GoodRepublicEvilEmpire we know is a bad thing]], cementing it by forcing her citizens into slave labor ([[OffstageVillainy offscreen]]), [[PuttingOnTheReich jailing dissenters and anyone of non-Earth ethnicity]], and attempting to forcibly conquer every single state that was ever once part of the Earth Kingdom, including [[spoiler:Zaofu and the long-independent United Republic]]. [[spoiler: In the end, the Earth King accepts her point about the monarchy and voluntarily abdicates to create a republic.]]

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** [[GloriousLeader Kuvira]] is completely correct in her initial points. When she stepped in, the Earth Kingdom had collapsed into anarchy, the heir apparent was a [[RoyalBrat bumbling idiot]] and completely unsuited for the position, and the idea of a monarchy is itself an obsolescent relic in a technological age. That said, her solution is to overthrow the Earth Kingdom and declare an Earth Empire in its place, which [[GoodRepublicEvilEmpire we know is a bad thing]], cementing it by forcing her citizens into slave labor ([[OffstageVillainy offscreen]]), [[PuttingOnTheReich jailing dissenters and anyone of non-Earth ethnicity]], and attempting to forcibly conquer every single state that was ever once part of the Earth Kingdom, including [[spoiler:Zaofu and the long-independent United Republic]]. [[spoiler: In the end, [[VillainHasAPoint the Earth King accepts her point about the monarchy and voluntarily abdicates to create a republic.]]]]]]
11th Sep '17 12:47:39 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* The Great Computer and his late creator, doctor Shibas, from the French animated series ''WesternAnimation/IlEtaitUneFois l'Espace'' (''Once Upon a Time... Space''). Their objective is the welfare of all sentients and defense against any and all tyrants and dictators, but already when Shibas was still alive they were willing to use the overwhelming military power of the immense and well-equipped army of robots built on Yama to do so. They come close to [[TheExtremistWasRight be right]], what with the general Pest being a mad dictator that [[TheFederation Omega]] cannot deal with due his enormous military strength. Shibas never considering using military strength until the construction crew he had invited from the nearby DeathWorld of Apis to build a city for their people destroyed one of his labs and factories, [[InsaneTrollLogic because he wasn't out there to help them personally instead of sending capable construction robots to do the job]]. They miss being right, though, due the horrible living conditions they force the human inhabitants of Yama and Apis (descendants of the construction crew and the colonists of Apis) into... And, [[GenreSavvy knowing this, the Great Computer is trying to learn how to be a good ruler]].

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* The Great Computer and his late creator, doctor Shibas, from the French animated series ''WesternAnimation/IlEtaitUneFois l'Espace'' (''Once Upon a Time... Space''). Their objective is the welfare of all sentients and defense against any and all tyrants and dictators, but already when Shibas was still alive they were willing to use the overwhelming military power of the immense and well-equipped army of robots built on Yama to do so. They come close to [[TheExtremistWasRight be right]], what with the general Pest being a mad dictator that [[TheFederation Omega]] cannot deal with due his enormous military strength. Shibas never considering using military strength until the construction crew he had invited from the nearby DeathWorld of Apis to build a city for their people destroyed one of his labs and factories, [[InsaneTrollLogic because he wasn't out there to help them personally instead of sending capable construction robots to do the job]]. They miss being right, though, due the horrible living conditions they force the human inhabitants of Yama and Apis (descendants of the construction crew and the colonists of Apis) into... And, [[GenreSavvy knowing this, the Great Computer is trying to learn how to be a good ruler]].ruler.



* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'': [[spoiler: The Society of The Blind Eye, whose goal is to help people forget about their bad memories, and to keep them happy and ignorant of the supernatural happenings in Gravity Falls. Unfortunately the memory ray slowly destroys the mind of its target with repeated use, and it most likely caused the stupidity of the townsfolk.]]

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[[spoiler: The Society of The Blind Eye, whose goal is to help people forget about their bad memories, and to keep them happy and ignorant of the supernatural happenings in Gravity Falls. Unfortunately the memory ray slowly destroys the mind of its target with repeated use, and it most likely caused the stupidity of the townsfolk.]]
8th Sep '17 9:08:12 PM Kissinger113
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* As seen in "[[WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb Phineas and Ferbís]] Quantum Boogaloo" , as a result of Candace busting Phineas and Ferb for their rollercoaster, MoralGuardians embark on a misguided crusade for the abolition of creativity in children, ultimately having children be stored in PeoplePods until adulthood. All for the sake of keeping children safe.

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* As seen in "[[WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb Phineas and Ferbís]] Quantum Boogaloo" , as a result of Candace busting Phineas and Ferb for their rollercoaster, MoralGuardians embark on a misguided crusade for the abolition of creativity in children, ultimately having children be stored in PeoplePods PeopleJars until adulthood. All for the sake of keeping children safe.
8th Sep '17 9:07:28 PM Kissinger113
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*As seen in "[[WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb Phineas and Ferbís]] Quantum Boogaloo" , as a result of Candace busting Phineas and Ferb for their rollercoaster, MoralGuardians embark on a misguided crusade for the abolition of creativity in children, ultimately having children be stored in PeoplePods until adulthood. All for the sake of keeping children safe.
22nd Aug '17 9:18:54 PM babyhenchy1
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** Sozin started off as this, but as he became older, he became more obsessed with power. [[spoiler: It took until the end of his life for him to acknowledge this, and by then it was too late to change the course he had set.]]

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** Sozin started off as this, but as he became older, he became more obsessed with power. [[spoiler: It took until the end of his life for him to acknowledge this, and by then it was too late to change the course he had set.set, as his descendants dropped the "well-intentioned" part completely.]]
27th Jun '17 6:51:01 AM MsCC93
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** Starlight Glimmer wants to spread friendship and equality throughout all of Equestria...by robbing ponies of their special talents. This is actually [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]], as Starlight turned out to be a [[spoiler: {{hypocrite}} because she had her talent all along (though it is possible that [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation she was going to equalise herself for real once she'd done so to everypony in Equestria, and hadn't done so already because she knew that she would lack the drive to complete her goal]]). This causes all her support to implode and she goes down in history as an evil ruler, undoing any good her methods might have brought. [[spoiler:The Season 5 finale later reveals that she adopted her ideology of friendship through total equality because of a childhood friend, Sunburst, who left her when she was a filly after receiving his cutie mark. This caused her to believe that cutie marks are harmful to friendship, and to create her equality village, in hopes of creating a society where no one could ever boast about being different or being better than others.]]

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** Starlight Glimmer wants to spread friendship and equality throughout all of Equestria...by robbing ponies of their special talents. This is actually [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]], as Starlight Starlight, however, turned out to be a [[spoiler: {{hypocrite}} because she had her talent all along (though it is possible that [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation she was going to equalise herself for real once she'd done so to everypony in Equestria, and hadn't done so already because she knew that she would lack the drive to complete her goal]]). This causes all her support to implode and she goes down in history as an evil ruler, undoing any good her methods might have brought. [[spoiler:The Season 5 finale later reveals that she adopted her ideology of friendship through total equality because of a childhood friend, Sunburst, who left her when she was a filly after receiving his cutie mark. This caused her to believe that cutie marks are harmful to friendship, and to create her equality village, in hopes of creating a society where no one could ever boast about being different or being better than others.]]
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