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* BrutalHonesty: Most Loroi communication is through telepathy, and within the ''Outsider'' universe it's impossible to lie or deceive in mind-to-mind communication. This, as Tempo explains, means that many within Loroi society have trouble grasping basic tact, believing that to not communicate what's on their mind as directly as they can is dishonest -- thus, the main reason why their history is founded on endless bloodshed. They've developed strict rules to leave diplomatic negotiations to those trained for such tasks (like Tempo herself), while the rest are obligated to keep their mouths shut during the process... ''especially'' if it's someone like [[{{Jerkass}} Stillstorm]]. It's also why Alex has problems being taken seriously--since he can ''only'' communicate via verbal speech, there are those who do not trust him since he is incapable of doing the perfectly honest telepathic communication.
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* LanguageOfTruth: Communication done through ''sanzai'', the telepathy of the Loroi, is immediate, clear, and absolutely honest. Some Loroi prefer to use it exclusively, feeling that spoken and written language are inherently dishonest and untrustworthy. The issue is that ''sanzai'' is so absolutely truthful that it will not mask any nuance or feeling, meaning that it tact is also impossible. Loroi diplomacy thus relies on specialized diplomats, who speak to one another verbally, while everyone else holds their tongues and keeps their thoughts to themselves... literally.
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* LanguageOfTruth: Communication done through ''sanzai'', the telepathy of the Loroi, is immediate, clear, and absolutely honest. Some Loroi prefer to use it exclusively, feeling that spoken and written language are inherently dishonest and untrustworthy. The issue is that ''sanzai'' is so absolutely truthful that [[BrutalHonesty it will not mask any nuance or feeling, meaning that it tact is also impossible. impossible]]. Loroi diplomacy thus relies on specialized diplomats, who speak verbally to both one another verbally, and other species, while everyone else holds their tongues and keeps their thoughts to themselves... literally. While this keeps problematic people like [[{{Jerkass}} Stillstorm]] from causing issues, it also becomes the main problem with Alex being among the Loroi--since he can ''only'' communicate via verbal speech, there are those who do not trust him since he is incapable of doing the perfectly honest telepathic communication.
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* LanguageOfTruth: Communication done through ''sanzai'', the telepathy of the Loroi, is immediate, clear, and absolutely honest. Some Loroi prefer to use it exclusively, feeling that spoken and written language are inherently dishonest and untrustworthy. The issue is that ''sanzai'' is so absolutely truthful that it will not mask any nuance or feeling, meaning that it tact is also impossible. Loroi diplomacy thus relies on specialized diplomats, who speak to one another verbally, while everyone else holds their tongues and keeps their thoughts to themselves... literally.
-->'''Tempo:''' Captain Jardin, you will find that tact is a foreign concept to many Loroi. Our sanzai communication is direct and truthful... a Loroi conveys what is on her mind without varnishment or consideration... indeed, she feels it is dishonest to do otherwise. It therefore may not surprise you to learn that Loroi history has been one of endless bloodshed. That is why we have developed rules that leave negotiations to those specially trained for the task... and require others to hold their tongues during the process.
-->'''Tempo:''' Captain Jardin, you will find that tact is a foreign concept to many Loroi. Our sanzai communication is direct and truthful... a Loroi conveys what is on her mind without varnishment or consideration... indeed, she feels it is dishonest to do otherwise. It therefore may not surprise you to learn that Loroi history has been one of endless bloodshed. That is why we have developed rules that leave negotiations to those specially trained for the task... and require others to hold their tongues during the process.
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* SavedByThePunishment: Jardin was ''Bellarmine''[='s=] third-seat helmsman, but was working in damage control as a disciplinary action when it was attacked. Per [[https://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider011.html #11]], if he'd been at his regular station, he would've been killed along with everyone else on the bridge.
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* ShouldersUpNudity: When Jardin is first brought onto the ''Tempest'' for interrogation, he's stark naked -- he had to be cut out of his suit -- and is only seen from the waist up until some Loroi cover him with [[ModestyBedsheet a sheet]].
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* UndressingTheUnconscious: The last page of the prologue shows Jardin adrift in space and passing out from oxygen starvation as ''Tempest'' is closing in on him. When he comes to he's in the sickbay, naked and shackled to a bed, and is questioned by the crew. After their {{Mind Prob|e}}ing leaves him unconscious again, he awakens in a cell, this time fully clothed.
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* FlippingTheBird: When Fireblade gives Jardin a hostile EyeAmWatchingYou, he responds with The Finger.
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** The Historians are probably a nod to the Carmpans of Creator/FredSaberhagen's ''Literature/{{Berserker}}'' stories.
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** Jardin seems to have a thing for musical references. As he's broadcasting his distress signal after ''Bellarmine'' is destroyed, he quotes part of the lyrics to [[Creator/DavidBowie "Major Tom"]] translated into the Loroi Trade language, as well as the French line from "Lady Marmalade". Later, his final words in memorial to ''Bellarmine''[='s=] crew are part of the theme song for ''Series/TheMickeyMouseClub''.
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** Jardin seems to have a thing for musical references. As he's broadcasting his distress signal after ''Bellarmine'' is destroyed, he quotes part of the lyrics to [[Creator/DavidBowie "Major Tom"]] translated into the Loroi Trade language, as well as the French line from "Lady Marmalade"."[[Music/PattiLaBelle Lady Marmalade]]". Later, his final words in memorial to ''Bellarmine''[='s=] crew are part of the theme song for ''Series/TheMickeyMouseClub''.
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* AlienBlood: Soia-Liron species, such as the Loroi and Barsam, have blue, copper-based blood.
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** Soia-Liron species, such as the Loroi and Barsam, have blue, copper-basedblood.blood.
** The Umiak have black blood, revealed when [[https://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider219.html Jardin sees some dead Umiak]] in one corridor of their ship.
** Soia-Liron species, such as the Loroi and Barsam, have blue, copper-based
** The Umiak have black blood, revealed when [[https://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider219.html Jardin sees some dead Umiak]] in one corridor of their ship.
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* HollywoodBoardGames: Jardin finds Talon and Spiral playing [[https://www.well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider196.html a holographic "capture the castle"-type game]] called Crossfire. A combo of observing them playing and Talon explaining the rules helps get him oriented, and he ends up beating Talon in their first game.
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* HollywoodBoardGames: Jardin finds Talon and Spiral playing [[https://www.well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider196.html a holographic "capture the castle"-type game]] called Crossfire.''Crossfire''. A combo of observing them playing and Talon explaining the rules helps get him oriented, and he ends up beating Talon in their first game. This just goes to show Jardin's intelligence, especially when it comes to strategy-oriented games like ''Crossfire'' or chess.
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* {{Uncoffee}}: [[PlayingWithATrope Played with.]] After food gets handed out, [[https://www.well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider174.html Cloud brings the Loroi]] bottles of ''noillir'', a brown drink with (to Jardin) a pungent odor. Beryl describes it as a mild anodyne which the Loroi find soothing. Talon offers hers to Jardin; [[https://www.well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider175.html he finds its taste strong and harsh]], but similar to some of the coffees he's had before. He catches Beryl off guard when he says it could use milk, which leads to the aforementioned discussion about differences in food culture.
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* {{Uncoffee}}: [[PlayingWithATrope Played with.]] After food gets handed out, [[https://www.well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider174.html Cloud brings the Loroi]] bottles of ''noillir'', a brown drink with (to Jardin) a pungent odor. Beryl describes it as a mild anodyne which the Loroi find soothing. Talon offers hers to Jardin; [[https://www.well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider175.html he finds its taste strong and harsh]], but similar to some of the coffees he's had before. He catches Beryl off guard when he says it could use milk, which leads to the aforementioned discussion about differences in food culture.
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* WeirdWorldWeirdFood: After several of the Loroi have negative reactions to Alex mentioning drinking milk from a domesticated species in a discussion of human food, Tempo mentions that Loroi from Taben and Deinar did not have any animal farming and culinary culture beyond meat and eggs and are thus comparatively tame. She mentions that her own planet of Perrein has a much more diverse food culture, but other Loroi generally consider it ForeignQueasine. Talon and Spiral's comments cement this, although they're clearly more amused than disgusted.
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* WeirdWorldWeirdFood: After When several of the Loroi have negative reactions to are shocked by Alex mentioning drinking milk from a domesticated species in a discussion of human food, Alex asks if the Loroi know of animal husbandry. Tempo mentions explains that Loroi from Taben and Deinar did not have any animal farming and culinary culture beyond meat and eggs and are thus comparatively tame. tame. She mentions also notes that her own planet of Perrein has a much more diverse food culture, but other Loroi generally consider it ForeignQueasine. Talon and Spiral's comments cement this, although they're clearly more amused than disgusted.
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* BoardGames: Jardin finds Talon and Spiral playing [[https://www.well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider196.html a holographic "capture the castle"-type game]] called Crossfire. A combo of observing them playing and Talon explaining the rules helps get him oriented, and he ends up beating Talon in their first game.
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* HollywoodBoardGames: Jardin finds Talon and Spiral playing [[https://www.well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider196.html a holographic "capture the castle"-type game]] called Crossfire. A combo of observing them playing and Talon explaining the rules helps get him oriented, and he ends up beating Talon in their first game.
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* AlienLunch: After several of the Loroi have negative reactions to Alex mentioning drinking milk from a domesticated species in a discussion of human food, Tempo mentions that Loroi from Taben and Deinar did not have any animal farming and culinary culture beyond meat and eggs and are thus comparatively tame. She mentions that her own planet of Perrein has a much more diverse food culture, but other Loroi generally consider it ForeignQueasine. Talon and Spiral's comments cement this, although they're clearly more amused than disgusted.
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* WeirdWorldWeirdFood: After several of the Loroi have negative reactions to Alex mentioning drinking milk from a domesticated species in a discussion of human food, Tempo mentions that Loroi from Taben and Deinar did not have any animal farming and culinary culture beyond meat and eggs and are thus comparatively tame. She mentions that her own planet of Perrein has a much more diverse food culture, but other Loroi generally consider it ForeignQueasine. Talon and Spiral's comments cement this, although they're clearly more amused than disgusted.
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** Both largely averted and deconstructed. Loroi look just like humans, except for the pointy ears, blue skin tones, odd eye and hair colors, and their men being smaller than and far outnumbered by their women. [[https://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider175.html A very awkward exchange]] between Beryl and Jardin also confirms that female Loroi have functional breasts like female humans. This similarity is noted as a significant abnormality by everyone, considering that the rest of the races go from being notably physiologically different to being StarfishAliens. The fact that humans also seem to be resistant to the Loroi's telepathy implies that this may be far more than mere coincidence, but [[http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider066.html when Tempo all but accuses Jardin of this]], [[http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider067.html he testily counters]] that it would be extremely stupid for the Umiak to create [[TheMole a mole]] that sticks out like a sore thumb as much as he does.
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** Both largely averted and deconstructed. Loroi look just like humans, except for the pointy ears, PointedEars, blue skin tones, odd eye and hair colors, and their men being smaller than and far outnumbered by their women. [[https://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider175.html A very awkward exchange]] between Beryl and Jardin also confirms that female Loroi have functional breasts like female humans. This similarity is noted as a significant abnormality by everyone, considering that the rest of the races go from being notably physiologically different to being StarfishAliens. The fact that humans also seem to be resistant to the Loroi's telepathy implies that this may be far more than mere coincidence, but [[http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider066.html when Tempo all but accuses Jardin of this]], [[http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider067.html he testily counters]] that it would be extremely stupid for the Umiak to create [[TheMole a mole]] that sticks out like a sore thumb as much as he does.
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* AlienLunch: When several of the Loroi find the idea of drinking milk from a domesticated species to be ''bizarre'' after Alex mentions it in a discussion of human food, Tempo mentions that Loroi from Taben and Deinar did not have any animal farming and culinary culture beyond meat and eggs and are thus comparatively tame. She mentions that her own planet of Perrein has a much more diverse food culture that even the other Loroi find to be ForeignQueasine.
-->'''Tempo:''' [...] but I am sorry to say that Perrein cuisine is not well accepted in the wider Loroi food culture.\\
'''Talon:''' *''winking''* Inedible, more like!\\
'''Spiral:''' *''grinning''* Foul! Sure toxic!
-->'''Tempo:''' [...] but I am sorry to say that Perrein cuisine is not well accepted in the wider Loroi food culture.\\
'''Talon:''' *''winking''* Inedible, more like!\\
'''Spiral:''' *''grinning''* Foul! Sure toxic!
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* AlienLunch: When After several of the Loroi find the idea of have negative reactions to Alex mentioning drinking milk from a domesticated species to be ''bizarre'' after Alex mentions it in a discussion of human food, Tempo mentions that Loroi from Taben and Deinar did not have any animal farming and culinary culture beyond meat and eggs and are thus comparatively tame. She mentions that her own planet of Perrein has a much more diverse food culture that even the culture, but other Loroi find to be ForeignQueasine.
-->'''Tempo:''' [...] but I am sorry to say that Perrein cuisine is not well accepted in the wider Loroi food culture.\\
'''Talon:''' *''winking''* Inedible,generally consider it ForeignQueasine. Talon and Spiral's comments cement this, although they're clearly more like!\\
'''Spiral:''' *''grinning''* Foul! Sure toxic!amused than disgusted.
-->'''Tempo:''' [...] but I am sorry to say that Perrein cuisine is not well accepted in the wider Loroi food culture.\\
'''Talon:''' *''winking''* Inedible,
'''Spiral:''' *''grinning''* Foul! Sure toxic!
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** This applies to humanity as well. Jardin specifies in his monologue that humanity is not looking for the side which shares or acts most accordingly with human values, rather the side which is most likely to win since aligning with the loser will almost certainly result in extinction.
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** This applies to humanity as well. Jardin specifies in his monologue that humanity is not humanity, rather than looking for the side which shares or acts most accordingly with human values, rather is looking for the side which is most likely to win since aligning with the loser will almost certainly result in extinction.
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* PhotoprotoneutronTorpedo: Particle weapons are among the more common types of ship armaments; they do more damage than laser beams, but are prone to spreading out and losing power due to charged particles repelling each other and aren't much good in atmospheres.