History WarIsHell / AnimeAndManga

24th Feb '17 2:57:59 AM flodoris
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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''. In fact, Madara said "For a child, war is hell". War was responsible for making Itachi who he is and also very much had something to do with Pain's motives. When the three Sannin met Nagato (Pain), Yahiko and Konan, [[MadScientist Orochimaru]] suggested killing them because only more pain and hell would await them [[spoiler:and tragically that turns out to be the case]].

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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''. In fact, Madara Tobi said "For a child, war is hell". War was responsible for making Itachi who he is and also very much had something to do with Pain's motives. When the three Sannin met Nagato (Pain), Yahiko and Konan, [[MadScientist Orochimaru]] suggested killing them because only more pain and hell would await them [[spoiler:and tragically that turns out to be the case]].
12th Feb '17 9:43:19 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'', the large-scale combat operations carried out by the [[TheHunter CCG]] are portrayed as horrifying affairs. Bodies torn to pieces, people weeping or voiding their bladders in terror, MookHorrorShow, and even major characters being maimed makes it clear there's nothing glorious about their business. The sequel is BloodierAndGorier, serving up graphic scenes of violence and portraying the trauma of combat. Beloved characters [[AnyoneCanDie die]] in heartbreaking fashion, and the audience is left watching characters they care about fighting each other to the death. Everyone has reasons for fighting, and there's no clear "Good vs Evil" going on.

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* In ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'', the large-scale combat operations carried out by the [[TheHunter [[HunterOfMonsters CCG]] are portrayed as horrifying affairs. Bodies torn to pieces, people weeping or voiding their bladders in terror, MookHorrorShow, and even major characters being maimed makes it clear there's nothing glorious about their business. The sequel is BloodierAndGorier, serving up graphic scenes of violence and portraying the trauma of combat. Beloved characters [[AnyoneCanDie die]] in heartbreaking fashion, and the audience is left watching characters they care about fighting each other to the death. Everyone has reasons for fighting, and there's no clear "Good vs Evil" going on.
21st Jan '17 7:16:38 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** 'Anime/Macross7'' retroactively makes the devastation of Earth and the extermination of Protoculture more horrifying by showing the Protodeviln, the ancient masters of the Inspection Army, and showing that the Zentraedi bombardment of Earth when it appeared one had got loose and the Protoculture removing the restraints that kept the Zentraedi loyal were ''[[GodzillaThreshold perfectly justified]]''.

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** 'Anime/Macross7'' ''Anime/Macross7'' retroactively makes the devastation of Earth and the extermination of Protoculture more horrifying by showing the Protodeviln, the ancient masters of the Inspection Army, and showing that the Zentraedi bombardment of Earth when it appeared one had got gotten loose and the Protoculture removing the restraints that kept the Zentraedi loyal were ''[[GodzillaThreshold perfectly justified]]''.



** ''Anime/MacrossDelta'' has mass mind-control being used as a weapon of war, and their opponents replying with weapons that essentially cause black holes. This is all.

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** ''Anime/MacrossDelta'' has mass mind-control being used as a weapon of war, and their opponents replying with weapons that essentially cause black holes. This That is all.
21st Jan '17 1:59:52 AM Grudgeal
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* ''Manga/BlackLagoon'' tackles this subject in the "Roberta's Blood Trail" OVA (the motif was much less prevalent in the manga arc it was based on). Roberta, Caxton and Balalaika are all war veterans marked by their respective wars and the treatment they received for trying to be decent human beings in the middle of it all: Roberta deserted from [[UsefulNotes/Colombia FARC]] and found redemption only to have her MoralityChain killed, Caxton got cited with dishonourable conduct in UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar after shooting Americans to prevent the rape of a girl and got stuck doing wetwork in the War on Drugs, and Balalaika and her unit were discharged and {{Un Person}}ed after being caught on film doing black ops in the UsefulNotes/SovietInvasionOfAfghanistan, because she rescued a local boy from a collapsed building. Roberta's war of vengeance for her MoralityChain turns out to be a hollow thing without meaning that nearly kills her spiritually, [[spoiler:not to mention literally as well in her final battle with Caxton's unit.]] To drive the motif home the OVA uses the tune to "When Johnny Comes Marching Home"/"Johnny We Hardly Knew Ye" as an ending melody, both songs about veterans come home from their war. [[spoiler:Roberta suffers the latter Johnny's fate.]]

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* ''Manga/BlackLagoon'' tackles this subject in the "Roberta's Blood Trail" OVA (the motif was much less prevalent in the manga arc it was based on). Roberta, Caxton and Balalaika are all war veterans marked by their respective wars and the treatment they received for trying to be decent human beings in the middle of it all: Roberta deserted from [[UsefulNotes/Colombia [[UsefulNotes/{{Colombia}} FARC]] and found redemption only to have her MoralityChain killed, Caxton got cited with dishonourable conduct in UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar after shooting Americans to prevent the rape of a girl and got stuck doing wetwork in the War on Drugs, and Balalaika and her unit were discharged and {{Un Person}}ed after being caught on film doing black ops in the UsefulNotes/SovietInvasionOfAfghanistan, because she rescued a local boy from a collapsed building. Roberta's war of vengeance for her MoralityChain turns out to be a hollow thing without meaning that nearly kills her spiritually, [[spoiler:not to mention literally as well in her final battle with Caxton's unit.]] To drive the motif home the OVA uses the tune to "When Johnny Comes Marching Home"/"Johnny We Hardly Knew Ye" as an ending melody, both songs about veterans come home from their war. [[spoiler:Roberta suffers the latter Johnny's fate.]]
21st Jan '17 1:58:24 AM Grudgeal
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* ''Manga/BlackLagoon'' tackles this subject in the "Roberta's Blood Trail" OVA (the motif was much less prevalent in the manga arc it was based on). Roberta, Caxton and Balalaika are all war veterans marked by their respective wars and the treatment they received for trying to be decent human beings in the middle of it all: Roberta ran away and found redemption only to have her MoralityChain killed, Caxton got cited with dishonourable conduct in Vietnam after shooting Americans to prevent the rape of a girl and got stuck doing wetwork in the War on Drugs, and Balalaika and her unit were discharged and {{Un Person}}ed after being caught on film doing black ops in the Afghanistan War, because she rescued a local boy from a collapsed building. Roberta's war of vengeance for her MoralityChain turns out to be a hollow thing without meaning that nearly kills her spiritually, [[spoiler:not to mention literally as well in her final battle with Caxton's unit.]] To drive the motif home the OVA uses the tune to "When Johnny Comes Marching Home"/"Johnny We Hardly Knew Ye" as an ending melody, both songs about veterans come home from their war. [[spoiler:Roberta suffers the latter Johnny's fate.]]

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* ''Manga/BlackLagoon'' tackles this subject in the "Roberta's Blood Trail" OVA (the motif was much less prevalent in the manga arc it was based on). Roberta, Caxton and Balalaika are all war veterans marked by their respective wars and the treatment they received for trying to be decent human beings in the middle of it all: Roberta ran away deserted from [[UsefulNotes/Colombia FARC]] and found redemption only to have her MoralityChain killed, Caxton got cited with dishonourable conduct in Vietnam UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar after shooting Americans to prevent the rape of a girl and got stuck doing wetwork in the War on Drugs, and Balalaika and her unit were discharged and {{Un Person}}ed after being caught on film doing black ops in the Afghanistan War, UsefulNotes/SovietInvasionOfAfghanistan, because she rescued a local boy from a collapsed building. Roberta's war of vengeance for her MoralityChain turns out to be a hollow thing without meaning that nearly kills her spiritually, [[spoiler:not to mention literally as well in her final battle with Caxton's unit.]] To drive the motif home the OVA uses the tune to "When Johnny Comes Marching Home"/"Johnny We Hardly Knew Ye" as an ending melody, both songs about veterans come home from their war. [[spoiler:Roberta suffers the latter Johnny's fate.]]
16th Jan '17 8:36:34 AM editproboss
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* And then Tomino took it up to eleven when he created ''Anime/SpaceRunawayIdeon''. A war between two sides starts cause a misunderstanding. The result? Tons of deaths, destruction, suffering, mindscrew and [[spoiler:the destruction of the universe.]]

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* And then Tomino took it up to eleven when he created ''Anime/SpaceRunawayIdeon''. A war between two sides starts cause a misunderstanding. The result? Tons of deaths, destruction, suffering, mindscrew and [[spoiler:the destruction of the universe.solar system.]]
22nd Sep '16 1:16:37 PM EDP
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* A central theme of ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' is just how destructive war can be:
** In [[Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross the original series]] we're treated to the Zentraedi (once SlaveMooks of the [[{{Precursors}} Protoculture]] who [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters rose against their masters and killed them all]]) being unable to even ''conceive'' peace, not after [[ForeverWar fighting the Inspection Army for half a million years]], causing enormous destruction, and at one point [[ApocalypseHow subjecting Earth to an apocalyptic bombing]].
** As said above, the Zentraedi know nothing but war and can't even imagine peace. In ''Anime/MacrossDoYouRememberLove'', where the war of the Zentraedi isn't against the remnants of the Inspection Army but between male (Zentran) and female (Meltran) Zentraedi, the Zentran want Minmay's songs to try and end the war ''peacefully''... And when we see two of their Main Fleets (one male, the other female) fighting each other it's made very clear why.
** 'Anime/Macross7'' retroactively makes the devastation of Earth and the extermination of Protoculture more horrifying by showing the Protodeviln, the ancient masters of the Inspection Army, and showing that the Zentraedi bombardment of Earth when it appeared one had got loose and the Protoculture removing the restraints that kept the Zentraedi loyal were ''[[GodzillaThreshold perfectly justified]]''.
** The prequel ''Anime/MacrossZero'' has a small and horrifying glimpse of the war fought on Earth before the Zentraedi arrived.
** ''Anime/MacrossDelta'' has mass mind-control being used as a weapon of war, and their opponents replying with weapons that essentially cause black holes. This is all.
6th Aug '16 11:00:09 PM harostar
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* In ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'', the large-scale combat operations carried out by the [[TheHunter CCG]] are portrayed as horrifying affairs. Bodies torn to pieces, people weeping or voiding their bladders in terror, MookHorrorShow, and even major characters being maimed makes it clear there's nothing glorious about their business. The sequel is BloodierAndGorier, serving up graphic scenes of violence and portraying the trauma of combat. Beloved characters [[AnyCanDie die]] in heartbreaking fashion, and the audience is left watching characters they care about fighting each other to the death. Everyone has reasons for fighting, and there's no clear "Good vs Evil" going on.

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* In ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'', the large-scale combat operations carried out by the [[TheHunter CCG]] are portrayed as horrifying affairs. Bodies torn to pieces, people weeping or voiding their bladders in terror, MookHorrorShow, and even major characters being maimed makes it clear there's nothing glorious about their business. The sequel is BloodierAndGorier, serving up graphic scenes of violence and portraying the trauma of combat. Beloved characters [[AnyCanDie [[AnyoneCanDie die]] in heartbreaking fashion, and the audience is left watching characters they care about fighting each other to the death. Everyone has reasons for fighting, and there's no clear "Good vs Evil" going on.
6th Aug '16 10:59:47 PM harostar
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* In ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'', the large-scale combat operations carried out by the [[TheHunter CCG]] are portrayed as horrifying affairs. Bodies torn to pieces, people weeping or voiding their bladders in terror, MookHorrorShow, and even major characters being maimed makes it clear there's nothing glorious about their business. The sequel is BloodierAndGorier, serving up graphic scenes of violence and portraying the trauma of combat. Beloved characters [[AnyCanDie die]] in heartbreaking fashion, and the audience is left watching characters they care about fighting each other to the death. Everyone has reasons for fighting, and there's no clear "Good vs Evil" going on.
23rd May '16 11:16:16 AM fsdfsdfsd
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** The third season actually goes to the battlefield mentioned in the first season, and it features InfantImmortality being averted, an [[spoiler: XYZ]] character even more violent and hateful than [[KnightOfCerberus Kurosaki]], and showing that the army responsible for this war is willing to card their own ChildSoldiers as punishment for trying to escape.

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** The third season actually goes to the battlefield mentioned in the first season, and it features InfantImmortality being averted, an [[spoiler: XYZ]] character even more violent and hateful than [[KnightOfCerberus [[KnightOfCerebus Kurosaki]], and showing that the army responsible for this war is willing to card their own ChildSoldiers as punishment for trying to escape.
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