* In Shriek's second appearance in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'', he terrorizes the whole city because he blames Batman for his hearing loss ([[spoiler:it was an accident]]) and for his ending up in jail. In the news segment, every single person interviewed supports Shriek. Not once is it mentioned that he was sent to jail because he tried to murder [[spoiler:Bruce Wayne]] by dropping a building on him. The subsequent attempt to drive [[spoiler:Bruce]] insane could have been covered up, but it's hard to cover up an entire building collapsing. Also, how does this justify Shriek holding an entire city hostage? It's no wonder Bruce gets disgusted and threatens to leave Gotham to Shriek.
* At the end of the ''[[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Justice League Unlimited]]'' episode "The Doomsday Sanction", most of the core members of the Justice League decide to send Doomsday to the Phantom Zone. The hospitalized Batman shows his dissatisfaction with this action, saying "Spoken like a true Justice Lord". Except we'd spend the entire episode watching Doomsday fight evenly with '''Franchise/{{Superman}}'''. It's not like you can put him in a prison. Those places can't hold the Joker, did Bats really think one could hold a Superman-level being.
* The ''[[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Justice League Unlimited]]'' episode "[[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS2E13Epilogue Epilogue]]". Basically, up until that point, Terry [=McGinnis=] had been TheAtoner, with the entire ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' series being his HeelFaceTurn from his days as a juvenile delinquent. Several points had been made about the Batman legacy being more a state of mind and a willingness to act, than a person or a suit. Then comes Amanda Waller (in the present day), and with some really bad ArcWelding, it is revealed that [=Terry McGinnis=] is nothing more than another one of her overly complex (and poorly thought out) plans to police the world, said scheme involving having some poor schmuck's DNA overwritten with Bruce Wayne's, then, when said schmuck impregnates his wife, watching the baby grow up, until the time to cause some tragic event which would supposedly turn this child into the new Batman. Now just on the face of it, it's as stupid as it sounds, but, let's point out the idiocy involved here that probably explains why the Justice League wound up cleaning up most of CADMUS's messes in the first place:
## Overwriting the DNA in a man's sperm won't make a clone, as sperm only carry 50% of the chromosomes needed to make a human being. If you're only going to use 50% of the chromosomes, why not just find a willing egg donor? In fact, why even go that far: since she's basically CADMUS, she can just have the original Bruce Wayne cloned from scratch, have him adopted, put him in whatever kind of education program she wants. 
## In the episode, it looks as though Waller only infects one man with the Wayne genes. If that's the case, then it's assuming a hell of a lot to believe that the child(ren) that this one man has are all going to grow up to be Batman. She could easily be making another Joker, or Riddler, or Bane: many of Batman's enemies are extraordinary as well, and as we can see, most of them turn up evil. It could very well be that young Bruce Wayne was well on his way to becoming a villain, and his parents being killed was that one in a million thing that made what might have been another gimmicked crook turn to the side of good. This only gets worse if Waller has had numerous men infected: how good of an idea is it to have hundreds, if not thousands, of potential grade A supervillains roaming the streets? Can you imagine a city filled with 3000 Lex Luthors, or Ra's Al Ghul's, or Owlmen: one Owlman almost destroyed the entire multiverse, imagine what 100 or 1000 of them could do.
## This could come back to bite Waller and the JLA in the ass so bad: What happens if some procedure or operation is needed such that the father needs to be DNA compatible with his child? What happens when a DNA test is run and it's discovered that the father isn't compatible, and that the child isn't his? Everyone involved, mother, father, DNA lab techs, is going to swear that they didn't lie or screw up, and that the screw up must be somewhere else. Problem is that all of these people are going to be 100% right. The more children created in this manner by Waller, the greater the chance that eventually, this gets to Bruce Wayne, and the JLA. At this point Waller is screwed, as forcibly denying men their reproductive capabilities and impregnating women with children they didn't request is arguably rape, and no different than the schemes of about 500 other insane mad scientists that Batman has left hanging from street lamps.
## The idea that genetics is enough is leaving a lot to chance: whose to say that killing this new Batman's parents will have the same effect on him as it did the original? And there's the little matter of Batman's other superpower - he's richer than God. Given that the next Batman may grow up in a house where he only has enough money to buy a 9mm for justice, there's a large question as to whether the surroundings in question could just be making another supervillain (see #2 once again).
** [[GambitRoulette Ultimately, the whole plan just works because of a bunch of contrived coincidences that are never explained.]] Even Waller seems a bit incredulous at all the stupid crap that happened to make her stupid plan work. Even though ''Batman Beyond'' was over by that point, this episode basically ruined the whole show, because instead of the show being about a person's unique journey as Batman, it becomes just another clone saga, regardless of how Waller tries to handwave it away. Damn shame that one of the coolest future Batman takes ever wound up being framed as a gimmick in an afterthought.
*** Another issue is that, with this episode set some 10 to 20 years in the future, Terry is still dating Dana and plans to propose. While it's obvious they care about each other, Dana has always been impatient with Terry's "job". Terry telling her "My mom said I have to have a job, and Mr. Wayne has me on-call because he's old and needs help taking care of himself" should have been all it took to put the issue to rest. Instead, she constantly tells him to quit, not show up, tell Bruce he's busy... basically, forget work and leave an old man to fend for himself; it IS Bruce, but he tends to keep his above-average condition for a man his age hidden. The fact that Terry is Batman should not even come into this equation. Dana's just the type of person who puts more importance on fun and self interest than work ethic or responsibility, which points toward an unstable home life if she even accepted.
* ''SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'': The episode "Knight Time". Brainiac is one of, if not ''the'' smartest beings in the DC universe, yet he can't even figure out Bruce Wayne is Batman, even after ''downloading himself onto the Wayne Enterprises computer!''
** That's only part of the stupid: Brainiac had nanites ''inside'' of '''Bruce Wayne''', and had such control over Wayne that he was able to get Wayne to tell the [=BatFamily=] that he was staying extra at work, and work that he was on vacation. So basically, Brainiac is ''logged directly onto Batman'', has enough control over him to get him out of his crimefighting actions, but somehow doesn't know that the person he is getting out of being Batman, is Batman? ''BANG!''

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* The ''[[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Justice League Unlimited]]'' episode "[[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS2E13Epilogue Epilogue]]". Basically, up until that point, Terry [=McGinnis=] had been TheAtoner, with the entire ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' series being his HeelFaceTurn from his days as a juvenile delinquent. Several points had been made about the Batman legacy being more a state of mind and a willingness to act, than a person or a suit. Then comes Amanda Waller (in the present day), and with some really bad ArcWelding, it is revealed that [=Terry McGinnis=] is nothing more than another one of her overly complex (and poorly thought out) plans to police the world, said scheme involving having some poor schmuck's DNA overwritten with Bruce Wayne's, then, when said schmuck impregnates his wife, watching the baby grow up, until the time to cause some tragic event which would supposedly turn this child into the new Batman. Now just on the face of it, it's as stupid as it sounds, but, let's point out the idiocy involved here that probably explains why the Justice League wound up cleaning up most of CADMUS's messes in the first place:
## Overwriting the DNA in a man's sperm won't make a clone, as sperm only carry 50% of the chromosomes needed to make a human being. If you're only going to use 50% of the chromosomes, why not just find a willing egg donor? In fact, why even go that far: since she's basically CADMUS, she can just have the original Bruce Wayne cloned from scratch, have him adopted, put him in whatever kind of education program she wants. 
## In the episode, it looks as though Waller only infects one man with the Wayne genes. If that's the case, then it's assuming a hell of a lot to believe that the child(ren) that this one man has are all going to grow up to be Batman. She could easily be making another Joker, or Riddler, or Bane: many of Batman's enemies are extraordinary as well, and as we can see, most of them turn up evil. It could very well be that young Bruce Wayne was well on his way to becoming a villain, and his parents being killed was that one in a million thing that made what might have been another gimmicked crook turn to the side of good. This only gets worse if Waller has had numerous men infected: how good of an idea is it to have hundreds, if not thousands, of potential grade A supervillains roaming the streets? Can you imagine a city filled with 3000 Lex Luthors, or Ra's Al Ghul's, or Owlmen: one Owlman almost destroyed the entire multiverse, imagine what 100 or 1000 of them could do.
## This could come back to bite Waller and the JLA in the ass so bad: What happens if some procedure or operation is needed such that the father needs to be DNA compatible with his child? What happens when a DNA test is run and it's discovered that the father isn't compatible, and that the child isn't his? Everyone involved, mother, father, DNA lab techs, is going to swear that they didn't lie or screw up, and that the screw up must be somewhere else. Problem is that all of these people are going to be 100% right. The more children created in this manner by Waller, the greater the chance that eventually, this gets to Bruce Wayne, and the JLA. At this point Waller is screwed, as forcibly denying men their reproductive capabilities and impregnating women with children they didn't request is arguably rape, and no different than the schemes of about 500 other insane mad scientists that Batman has left hanging from street lamps.
## The idea that genetics is enough is leaving a lot to chance: whose to say that killing this new Batman's parents will have the same effect on him as it did the original? And there's the little matter of Batman's other superpower - he's richer than God. Given that the next Batman may grow up in a house where he only has enough money to buy a 9mm for justice, there's a large question as to whether the surroundings in question could just be making another supervillain (see #2 once again).
** [[GambitRoulette Ultimately, the whole plan just works because of a bunch of contrived coincidences that are never explained.]] Even Waller seems a bit incredulous at all the stupid crap that happened to make her stupid plan work. Even though ''Batman Beyond'' was over by that point, this episode basically ruined the whole show, because instead of the show being about a person's unique journey as Batman, it becomes just another clone saga, regardless of how Waller tries to handwave it away. Damn shame that one of the coolest future Batman takes ever wound up being framed as a gimmick in an afterthought.
*** Another issue is that, with this episode set some 10 to 20 years in the future, Terry is still dating Dana and plans to propose. While it's obvious they care about each other, Dana has always been impatient with Terry's "job". Terry telling her "My mom said I have to have a job, and Mr. Wayne has me on-call because he's old and needs help taking care of himself" should have been all it took to put the issue to rest. Instead, she constantly tells him to quit, not show up, tell Bruce he's busy... basically, forget work and leave an old man to fend for himself; it IS Bruce, but he tends to keep his above-average condition for a man his age hidden. The fact that Terry is Batman should not even come into this equation. Dana's just the type of person who puts more importance on fun and self interest than work ethic or responsibility, which points toward an unstable home life if she even accepted.

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** Also, Charmcaster's father Spellbinder (and it's a wallbanger in of itself that he, a single soul, has to be resurrected with 600,000) gives his daughter a WhatTheHellHero speech when he learns what she did, which is well deserved....but it's ''also'' terribly, needlessly harsh and cruel without any sort of understanding shown on Spellbinder's part. "[[MoralEventHorizon How could you do something so evil?]] [[CompleteMonster You're worse than Adwaitya ever was!]]" That's right, Spellbinder, just ignore all reasoning as to ''why'' your daughter did this. Ignore that she was left alone in the care of her [[AbusiveParents abusive uncle]] throughout her life, that she was later stuck in this hellish realm for who knows how long, and that [[EvilPowerVacuum everyone tried to kill each other (and likely her) in an attempt to claim power after Adwaitya was deposed.]] Never mind how traumatized Hope's going to be when you say all this and then go back to being dead ''immediately afterward'', with no words of encouragement for her to redeem herself, no reassurance that she's truly not as evil as the guy who killed you if she does so, or that things will get better for her even without you. But I guess TrueArtIsAngsty, so just let your daughter suffer! [[SarcasmMode What wonderful parenting!]]

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** Also, Charmcaster's father Spellbinder (and it's a wallbanger in of itself that he, a single soul, has to be resurrected with 600,000) gives his daughter a WhatTheHellHero speech when he learns what she did, which is well deserved....but it's ''also'' terribly, needlessly harsh and cruel without any sort of understanding shown on Spellbinder's part. "[[MoralEventHorizon How could you do something so evil?]] You're worse than Adwaitya ever was!" That's right, Spellbinder, just ignore all reasoning as to ''why'' your daughter did this. Ignore that she was left alone in the care of her [[AbusiveParents abusive uncle]] throughout her life, that she was later stuck in this hellish realm for who knows how long, and that [[EvilPowerVacuum everyone tried to kill each other (and likely her) in an attempt to claim power after Adwaitya was deposed.]] Never mind how traumatized Hope's going to be when you say all this and then go back to being dead ''immediately afterward'', with no words of encouragement for her to redeem herself, no reassurance that she's truly not as evil as the guy who killed you if she does so, or that things will get better for her even without you. But I guess TrueArtIsAngsty, so just let your daughter suffer! [[SarcasmMode What wonderful parenting!]]

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* Something happened on an episode of the (otherwise awesome) ''WesternAnimation/{{Wolverine and the X-Men}}'' that made hardcore Creator/MarvelComics fans furious. A young mutant character is kidnapped by the Brotherhood; his awesome, devastating energy powers harnessed for their evil deeds. Is it Havok? Vulcan? Gambit? Franklin Richards? Nope...Nitro! In the comic continuity, Nitro gave Captain Marvel cancer, killed scores of people, and is a ruthless sociopathic mercenary and drug addict. The whole episode is based around how nice, sweet, and innocent its Nitro is and how he [[IJustWantToBeNormal just wants to be normal]]. Never mind that Nitro is '''not''' a mutant but a MUTATE -- a normal human with powers created from exposure to radiation or whatever. Never mind that Nitro was categorically a villain in every ''single'' issue of the comics he's appeared in. Comics!Nitro is directly responsible for the death of hundreds of people and is a CompleteMonster by any objective measure. To the casual viewer, this will mean nothing; to a longtime Marvel fan-whore...it's like a {{Franchise/Transformers}} comic book where Megatron adopts a puppy and then cries when the dog dies and has to be comforted by Starscream. Simply using, for example, Havok (who IS a mutant and more powerful) or a different character with similarly uncontrollable powers, say Wither, would have avoided this AlternateContinuity dissonance. The writers must have decided "Nitro is the guy who blows up" and stopped there.

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* Something happened on an episode of the (otherwise awesome) ''WesternAnimation/{{Wolverine and the X-Men}}'' that made hardcore Creator/MarvelComics fans furious. A young mutant character is kidnapped by the Brotherhood; his awesome, devastating energy powers harnessed for their evil deeds. Is it Havok? Vulcan? Gambit? Franklin Richards? Nope...Nitro! In the comic continuity, Nitro gave Captain Marvel cancer, killed scores of people, and is a ruthless sociopathic mercenary and drug addict. The whole episode is based around how nice, sweet, and innocent its Nitro is and how he [[IJustWantToBeNormal just wants to be normal]]. Never mind that Nitro is '''not''' a mutant but a MUTATE -- a normal human with powers created from exposure to radiation or whatever. Never mind that Nitro was categorically a villain in every ''single'' issue of the comics he's appeared in. Comics!Nitro is directly responsible for the death of hundreds of people. To the casual viewer, this will mean nothing; to a longtime Marvel fan-whore...it's like a {{Franchise/Transformers}} comic book where Megatron adopts a puppy and then cries when the dog dies and has to be comforted by Starscream. Simply using, for example, Havok (who IS a mutant and more powerful) or a different character with similarly uncontrollable powers, say Wither, would have avoided this AlternateContinuity dissonance. The writers must have decided "Nitro is the guy who blows up" and stopped there.

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