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* The series finale "Enemy At The Gate" also sparked rage among the fans, as many believed it didn't do justice to being the ''series finale''. There are various points where those fans are right. The whole idea of a "super hiveship" is mediocre. This hive was powerful to fend off ''two'' earth cruisers (which ''[[InformedAbility happened offscreen]]''), probably the strongest known battleships, which made people go "wait, what?". Of course, the ZPM-powered Odyssey was on a [[AssPull "secret mission"]]. Then they throw in the [[AssPull "Wormhole drive"]] to make Atlantis able to travel to Earth quickly. When Atlantis arrives to battle the ship, you were probably expecting some epic fight. Sorry, to disappoint you, but an Atlantis with ''three goddamn [=ZPMs=]'' couldn't even win against that hive. The visual effects also were incredibly mediocre, and the pacing felt rushed. This may have been forgivable for a normal episode, but it was the ''goddamn series finale''! 
** They'd have had plenty of time to do a two-parter if the entire previous episode hadn't been devoted to an alternate reality just to explain how the Wraith got the coordinates to Earth. They wanted to spend ''an entire episode'' on that, instead of having time to ''show the cruisers being defeated'' and explain some of the other crazy shit from the finale, maybe making it not so rushed??
*** Or if the series hadn't been cancelled between the Wraith-on-earth episode and "Enemy at the Gate." The writers had originally planned something different, but they had to tie together too many loose threads in one episode (while ignoring things like the [[spoiler:''surviving Asgard'']]).
** Seriously, the greatest DarthWiki/WallBanger in the series finale: [[spoiler: They sent a team through the ship-to-ship stargate onto the super hive to destroy it instead of just sending a Gate Buster nuke through.]]
** [[spoiler:Ronon's resurrection]] is still inexcusable. Way to ruin a dramatic and fitting character send-off in the final episode.

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* The series finale "Enemy At The Gate" also sparked rage among the fans, as many believed it didn't do justice to being the ''series finale''. There are various points where those fans are right. The whole idea of a "super hiveship" is mediocre. This hive was powerful to fend off ''two'' earth cruisers (which ''[[InformedAbility happened offscreen]]''), probably the strongest known battleships, which made people go "wait, what?". Of course, the ZPM-powered Odyssey was on a [[AssPull "secret mission"]]. Then they throw in the [[AssPull "Wormhole drive"]] to make Atlantis able to travel to Earth quickly. When Atlantis arrives to battle the ship, you were probably expecting some epic fight. Sorry to disappoint you, but an Atlantis with ''three [=ZPMs=]'' couldn't even win against that hive. The visual effects also were incredibly mediocre, and the pacing felt rushed. This may have been forgivable for a normal episode, but it was the ''series finale''! 
** They'd have had plenty of time to do a two-parter if the entire previous episode hadn't been devoted to an alternate reality just to explain how the Wraith got the coordinates to Earth. They wanted to spend ''an entire episode'' on that, instead of having time to ''show the cruisers being defeated'' and explain some of the other crazy stuff from the finale?
** The series was cancelled between the Wraith-on-earth episode and "Enemy at the Gate." The writers had originally planned something different, but they had to tie together too many loose threads in one episode (while ignoring things like the [[spoiler:''surviving Asgard'']]).
** They sent a team through the ship-to-ship stargate onto the super hive to destroy it instead of just sending a Gate Buster nuke through.
** [[spoiler:Ronon's resurrection]] is inexcusable. Way to ruin a dramatic and fitting character send-off in the final episode.

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*** Yeah, as if the chair would even ''work'' once they'd levered it out of Antarctica. Now I'm no genius, but I'm pretty sure that pulling a motherboard out of a computer and then giving it a few remote attachments would allow for a still-working computer.
* The Ancients are classic NeglectfulPrecursors. First, they created the Wraith by accident. One might excuse this if it was an isolated incident. Next, they let the Wraith evolve into a spacefaring race of human-eating monsters in their galaxy; this did not happen overnight, even if the Wraith adapted Ancient language and some tech for a boost. The Ancients ignored them despite all the signs that this is not a good species. Then, when the Wraith were finally a minor threat, the Ancients decided, "We're fucking untouchable!" and sent single ships up against ridiculous odds. The Wraith stole enough [=ZPMs=] to power a cloning device (and evidently cloned ships, too), and increase their numbers by a ridiculous amount. Now the Ancients were basically fucked; but rather than focus on ship production, they try all manner of silly BS that never works -- even the Asuran Replicators, which they went out of their way to vape. Finally, they get cornered and decide, "We're tired of this shit; these humans can deal with our mess." When those living Ancients arrived in the city and declared that they were taking over, the Atlantis team would have been well within their rights to imprison the lot of them and force them to start mass-producing [=ZPMs=] and all manner of awesome tech for the absolute mess they made of the galaxy. While it's not good that they got killed by the Asurans an episode later, [[KarmicDeath they had it coming.]]
** What do you expect? The Ancients basically go from - in SG-1 - being the race the Asgard looked up to in terms of technology and awesomeness, to getting the uber-nerf in Atlantis where they become the personification of NeglectfulPrecursors. Let's see... seed a galaxy with primitive humans and then accidentally create a race of technologically and physically superior aliens that harvest humans. Create a race of human form Replicators to fight the Wraith, but fail both at getting them to kill Wraith and to get rid of them when it's evident that they won't, leaving them waiting to wreak their terrible vengeance. They eventually manage to lose an entire galaxy to the technologically inferior Wraith and then decide to flee that galaxy, condemning all humans there to be harvested for the next ten millennia. Apparently, once they ran back to Earth, attempting to help the galaxy of humans they just condemned to be cattle wasn't on their minds; instead, they chose to ascend.
* During the Fourth Season it is revealed that the Wraith used ZPM's and other Ancient technology to clone additional Wraith warriors for combat so they could defeat the Ancients. Gee, if only there was some other living thing we could use this on. Say, '''HUMANS, OUR FOOD!''' No, they just make more hand-mouths to feed. Because of this, they spend every few centuries in hibernation because there's not enough humans to go around. It is also shown that this technology was not destroyed by the Ancients, nor by any other group, but is simply not used due to a lack of power. Hence the Wraith raid on the Asuran planet for a ZPM. So they could have done this any time they wanted, really.
** Todd, a Wraith occasionally allied w/ the Atlantis group, seeks to restore this cloning equipment and NOT clone additional humans for consumption (a very scarce resource for the Wraith at that time and the casus belli for the Wraith vs. Atlantis conflict), but to create even MORE Wraiths for combat. The implication is that he intends to go on a Wraith killing spree with his new armada, essentially replacing one group of starving, angry Wraith for another, just more unified. Offering free food would have accomplished this equally well.

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*** The chair should not even ''work'' once they levered it out of Antarctica.  That's like pulling a motherboard out of a computer and then giving it a few remote attachments to make a still-working computer.
* The Ancients are classic NeglectfulPrecursors. First, they created the Wraith by accident. One might excuse this if it was an isolated incident. Next, they let the Wraith evolve into a spacefaring race of human-eating monsters in their galaxy; this did not happen overnight, even if the Wraith adapted Ancient language and some tech for a boost. The Ancients ignored them despite all the signs that this is not a good species. Then, when the Wraith were finally a minor threat, the Ancients decided, "We're untouchable!" and sent single ships against ridiculous odds. The Wraith stole enough [=ZPMs=] to power a cloning device (and evidently cloned ships, too) and increase their numbers by a ridiculous amount. Now the Ancients were in an awful position.  Nevertheless, rather than focus on ship production, they try all manner of silly stuff that never works -- even the Asuran Replicators, which they went out of their way to vape. Finally, they get cornered and decide, "We're tired of this; these humans can deal with our mess." When those living Ancients arrived in the city and declared that they were taking over, the Atlantis team would have been well within their rights to imprison them and force them to start mass-producing [=ZPMs=] and all manner of awesome tech for the mess they made of the galaxy. While it's not good that they got killed by the Asurans an episode later, [[KarmicDeath they had it coming.]]
** What do you expect? The Ancients basically go from -- in "SG-1" -- being the race the Asgard looked up to in terms of technology and awesomeness, to getting the uber-nerf in "Atlantis" where they are shown to be NeglectfulPrecursors. Let's see... seed a galaxy with primitive humans, then accidentally create a race of technologically and physically superior aliens that harvest humans. Create a race of human form Replicators to fight the Wraith, but fail both at getting them to kill Wraith and at getting rid of them when it's evident that they won't, leaving them waiting to wreak their terrible vengeance. They eventually manage to lose an entire galaxy to the technologically inferior Wraith and decide to flee that galaxy, condemning all humans there to be harvested for the next ten millennia. Apparently, once they ran back to Earth, attempting to help the galaxy of humans they just condemned to be cattle wasn't on their minds; instead, they chose to ascend.
* During the Fourth Season, it is revealed that the Wraith used [=ZPMs=] and other Ancient technology to clone additional Wraith warriors for combat so they could defeat the Ancients. Gee, if only there was some other living thing we could use this on. Say, '''HUMANS, OUR FOOD!''' No, they just make more hand-mouths to feed. Because of this, they spend every few centuries in hibernation because there's not enough humans to go around. It is also shown that this technology was not destroyed by the Ancients, nor by any other group, but is simply not used due to a lack of power. Hence, the Wraith raid on the Asuran planet for a ZPM.  They could have done this any time they wanted.
* Todd, a Wraith occasionally allied with the Atlantis group, seeks to restore this cloning equipment but NOT to clone additional humans for consumption (a scarce resource for the Wraith by then and the ''casus belli'' for the Wraith vs. Atlantis conflict), but to create even MORE Wraiths for combat. The implication is that he intends to go on a Wraith killing spree with his new armada, replacing one group of starving, angry Wraith for another more unified group. Offering free food would have accomplished this equally well.

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