History WMG / Twilight

23rd Jan '16 9:17:00 AM nombretomado
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* The only way this could be more confirmed is if StephanieMeyer admitted it.
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* The only way this could be more confirmed is if StephanieMeyer Creator/StephenieMeyer admitted it.
23rd Jan '16 9:11:23 AM nombretomado
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[[WMG: StephenieMeyer is:]]
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[[WMG: StephenieMeyer Creator/StephenieMeyer is:]]

StephenieMeyer Knows how terrible the books are, and did it on purpose. Bella and Edward's Shallowness? On purpose. The fact that some of the plotholes are still gaping? Totally on purpose. Stephenie Meyer was laughing as she wrote each book, gleeful at the thought of all the fans it would create and all the hate it would generate. She did it to make fun of everyone, and particularly authors who take that kind of writing absolutely serious. A satirical look at Stupid Female Literature became one of the most popular series of Stupid Female Literature. Because Satire is DEAD. Also, this Troper deoes not mean Stupid to be an adjective for Female. Stupid Literature. :)[[DoomyDoomsOfDoom Satire is Dead I tell you. DEAD!]]
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StephenieMeyer Creator/StephenieMeyer Knows how terrible the books are, and did it on purpose. Bella and Edward's Shallowness? On purpose. The fact that some of the plotholes are still gaping? Totally on purpose. Stephenie Meyer was laughing as she wrote each book, gleeful at the thought of all the fans it would create and all the hate it would generate. She did it to make fun of everyone, and particularly authors who take that kind of writing absolutely serious. A satirical look at Stupid Female Literature became one of the most popular series of Stupid Female Literature. Because Satire is DEAD. Also, this Troper deoes not mean Stupid to be an adjective for Female. Stupid Literature. :)[[DoomyDoomsOfDoom Satire is Dead I tell you. DEAD!]]
13th Jan '16 4:37:55 PM nombretomado
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Because Meyer is the only one who could find nothing wrong at [[UnfortunateImplications what]] [[{{Chickification}} they]] [[BadassDecay did]] [[CharacterDerailment to]] [[{{Metroid}} Samus]]. Which means this site is gonna start praising Twilight and saying that there's nothing wrong with Bella Swan (since, as [[TheSpoonyExperiment a very smart man]] pointed out, Samus is now acting exactly like Bella) and that Bella and Edward have great chemistry together.
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Because Meyer is the only one who could find nothing wrong at [[UnfortunateImplications what]] [[{{Chickification}} they]] [[BadassDecay did]] [[CharacterDerailment to]] [[{{Metroid}} [[Franchise/{{Metroid}} Samus]]. Which means this site is gonna start praising Twilight and saying that there's nothing wrong with Bella Swan (since, as [[TheSpoonyExperiment [[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment a very smart man]] pointed out, Samus is now acting exactly like Bella) and that Bella and Edward have great chemistry together.
6th Jan '16 6:32:00 PM OmegaMetroid
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[[WMG:Becoming a vampire causes brain damage]] While it's common for vampirism to be treated like a disease, plague, or the like, in ''Twilight'' it's caused by venom injection. Perhaps this venom does more than just create vampires; what if the venom affects the characters' brains, and causes them to deteriorate. It's a known fact that some toxins can affect the brain, so it's not a far stretch to imagine that one that causes such radical changes could do so. [[FridgeBrilliance This also explains a good deal of the series perfectly, if you think about it...]]
4th Jan '16 8:32:37 AM crazysamaritan
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Mary Sue wick removal
* And you did NOT just compare beloved Rose to [[MarySue Bella Swan]].
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* And you did NOT just compare beloved Rose to [[MarySue Bella Swan]]. Swan.

The similarities are uncanny: they're immortal, they all have pale skin, [[spoiler: they were humans at one time until they died,]], and they're almost impossible to kill. Plus, they all have some kind of superpower and are sterile. And when you think about it, you could attribute any number of the SevenDeadlySins to a few of them: Edward is definitely guilty of Pride, Lust (for [[MarySue Bella]]), Envy (toward Jacob), and Pride throughout the series.
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The similarities are uncanny: they're immortal, they all have pale skin, [[spoiler: they were humans at one time until they died,]], and they're almost impossible to kill. Plus, they all have some kind of superpower and are sterile. And when you think about it, you could attribute any number of the SevenDeadlySins to a few of them: Edward is definitely guilty of Pride, Lust (for [[MarySue Bella]]), Bella), Envy (toward Jacob), and Pride throughout the series.

Think about it. They're promising MarySue...er, BELLA immortality in exchange for joining them. They isolate her from her friends and family, and strip her of her ability to choose (to be fair, she doesn't have the brains to choose on her own). The Volturi are a group trying to to deprogram (I spent a good 5-8 minutes trying to remember that word) Bella, and the CULTENS are convincing her their evil vampires.
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Think about it. They're promising MarySue...er, BELLA immortality in exchange for joining them. They isolate her from her friends and family, and strip her of her ability to choose (to be fair, she doesn't have the brains to choose on her own). The Volturi are a group trying to to deprogram (I spent a good 5-8 minutes trying to remember that word) Bella, and the CULTENS are convincing her their evil vampires.

* Both also are, to a degree, the author's "own" characters. Meyer said that Bella is like her own daughter (and basically the two look the same) and Rowling has stated that Hermione is an exaggeration of herself at a younger age (a slightly insecure know-it-all). Both are shown to be exceptional also (though Hermione pulls it off without being a MarySue).
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* Both also are, to a degree, the author's "own" characters. Meyer said that Bella is like her own daughter (and basically the two look the same) and Rowling has stated that Hermione is an exaggeration of herself at a younger age (a slightly insecure know-it-all). Both are shown to be exceptional also (though Hermione pulls it off without being a MarySue).off).

When she cut herself and the Cullens had to restrain themselves from attacking her, she called it her fault. When, as a vampire, she nearly attacked someone, it was again her fault. Combine this with Jacob's comment that she [[BornInTheWrongCentury should have lived when there were still martyrs]], and it indicates that she applies far higher standards to herself than others, and punishes herself for not living up to them. This would explain why she acts like TheAtoner without being TheAtoner, and why she shows so little of a spine in the earlier works. Incidentally, this might make her a ''deconstruction'' of the PuritySue or the MarySueClassic.
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When she cut herself and the Cullens had to restrain themselves from attacking her, she called it her fault. When, as a vampire, she nearly attacked someone, it was again her fault. Combine this with Jacob's comment that she [[BornInTheWrongCentury should have lived when there were still martyrs]], and it indicates that she applies far higher standards to herself than others, and punishes herself for not living up to them. This would explain why she acts like TheAtoner without being TheAtoner, and why she shows so little of a spine in the earlier works. Incidentally, this might make her a ''deconstruction'' of the PuritySue or the MarySueClassic.\n .

* As for being a MarySue, well...what can you say, she's practiced long enough to earn it. ** Either that, or the modern MarySue is going to have nothing on someone who's practiced being awesome for decades.

As an added bonus, it may even retroactively explain Bella's MarySue-itude: Having no personality to speak of, Bella wouldn't have anything keeping her even vaguely human. all of the other vampires hold themselves back based on compassion, or vampire law, But if Bella tasted blood there's a good chance she would go feral: Like a newborn, but with the strength of a full vampire and the ability to reason. Additionally, the fact that no mental powers affect her and how attractive she is to everyone around her could be a single vamp power: She may have a sort of pacifying aura, meaning that no one could really fight her.
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As an added bonus, it may even retroactively explain Bella's MarySue-itude: attitude: Having no personality to speak of, Bella wouldn't have anything keeping her even vaguely human. all of the other vampires hold themselves back based on compassion, or vampire law, But if Bella tasted blood there's a good chance she would go feral: Like a newborn, but with the strength of a full vampire and the ability to reason. Additionally, the fact that no mental powers affect her and how attractive she is to everyone around her could be a single vamp power: She may have a sort of pacifying aura, meaning that no one could really fight her.

This begs the question; could the REAL Bella escape [[NightmareFuel Arcadia]], and if so, what will she do when she finds what the Fae left behind? More likely than not, given her MarySue themes, Real!Bella will be of the Fairest Seeming. Or, for irony's sake...the [[IAmAHumanitarian Ogre]] [[OurOgresAreHungrier Seeming]].
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This begs the question; could the REAL Bella escape [[NightmareFuel Arcadia]], and if so, what will she do when she finds what the Fae left behind? More likely than not, given her MarySue themes, Real!Bella will be of the Fairest Seeming. Or, for irony's sake...the [[IAmAHumanitarian Ogre]] [[OurOgresAreHungrier Seeming]].

[[WMG: The only reason Bella is a MarySue in the story is because it's told from her point of view.]]
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[[WMG: The only reason Bella is a MarySue in the story is because it's told from her point of view.has Histrionic Personality Disorder.]]

** Then why did he try to kill himself?
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** Then why did he try to kill himself?

* Bella's a MarySue because she has MoreThanMindControl over vampires, and since [[GoneHorriblyRight she's too good a weapon]] humans are affected as well.
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* Bella's a MarySue because she Bella has MoreThanMindControl over vampires, and since [[GoneHorriblyRight she's too good a weapon]] humans are affected as well.

* Bella becomes even more of a MarySue when she becomes a vampire because she wasn't normal before a vampire
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* Bella becomes even more of a MarySue when she becomes a vampire because she wasn't normal before a vampirevampire.

Or she just saw Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer and is ComicallyMissingThePoint that Buffy and Angel's relationship is doomed from the start, and so unhealthy that they have to break it off. * StephenieMeyer does not understand that Buffy/Angel did not end well, and tried to MarySue and FixFic it into working, but every attempt failed until she was reduced to writing Twilight to get a version that had enough AuthorAppeal. * Alternatively, she just wrote Twilight as a bad TakeThat against Joss sinking the Buffy/Angel 'ship.
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Or she just saw Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' and is ComicallyMissingThePoint that Buffy and Angel's relationship is doomed from the start, and so unhealthy that they have to break it off. * StephenieMeyer Creator/StephenieMeyer does not understand that Buffy/Angel ''Buffy''/''Angel'' did not end well, and tried to MarySue and FixFic imitate it into working, but every attempt failed until she was reduced to writing Twilight to get a version that had enough AuthorAppeal. * Alternatively, she just wrote Twilight as a bad TakeThat against Joss sinking the Buffy/Angel ''Buffy''/''Angel'' 'ship.

* I think, in the original, Bella was really [[ShrinkingViolet terribly shy]] and wanted nothing more than to blend in. Edward was an evil bastard who preyed on her docile personality because he was a control freak. Jacob was a DoggedNiceGuy and Bella's UnluckyChildhoodFriend who helps her fight off Edward and the other vampires, [[AlwaysChaoticEvil all of whom are evil]]. Alice is one of the rarer vampires who happens to be good, and the original plot layout was to have Bella defeat Edward and overcome her infatuation for him and her [[AfraidOfBlood fear of blood]]. Meyer butchered the work of the original story and turned Bella into a wildly blatant SelfInsert MarySue, shucked her CharacterDevelopment, and essentially botched the story.
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* I think, in the original, Bella was really [[ShrinkingViolet terribly shy]] and wanted nothing more than to blend in. Edward was an evil bastard who preyed on her docile personality because he was a control freak. Jacob was a DoggedNiceGuy and Bella's UnluckyChildhoodFriend who helps her fight off Edward and the other vampires, [[AlwaysChaoticEvil all of whom are evil]]. Alice is one of the rarer vampires who happens to be good, and the original plot layout was to have Bella defeat Edward and overcome her infatuation for him and her [[AfraidOfBlood fear of blood]]. Meyer butchered the work of the original story and turned Bella into a wildly blatant SelfInsert MarySue, SelfInsert, shucked her CharacterDevelopment, and essentially botched the story.

As for what [[MarySue Bella]] is, she is the closest thing to a [[GodModeSue God]] in this hijacked Instrumentality. This was originally [[MagnificentBastard Gendo's]] intent, [[AGodAmI to become the "God"]] of Instrumentality [[GodCouple alongside his beloved Yui]]. However, when [[SpannerInTheWorks Meyer had her clone hijack it]], the clone [[YourSoulIsMine absorbed Yui's soul]] from within Unit 01, and the resultant personality is a [[MentalFusion mix of the two]], leaning in Meyer favor (which is why Bella is [[{{Portmanteau}} terribad]] at science/math). However, like all the people [[AndIMustScream inside instrumentality]], Gendo has [[LaserGuidedAmnesia completely forgotten the moments before it occurred, and thus doesn't know the hijacking ever occurred.]]
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As for what [[MarySue Bella]] Bella is, she is the closest thing to a [[GodModeSue God]] in this hijacked Instrumentality. This was originally [[MagnificentBastard Gendo's]] intent, [[AGodAmI to become the "God"]] of Instrumentality [[GodCouple alongside his beloved Yui]]. However, when [[SpannerInTheWorks Meyer had her clone hijack it]], the clone [[YourSoulIsMine absorbed Yui's soul]] from within Unit 01, and the resultant personality is a [[MentalFusion mix of the two]], leaning in Meyer favor (which is why Bella is [[{{Portmanteau}} terribad]] at science/math). However, like all the people [[AndIMustScream inside instrumentality]], Gendo has [[LaserGuidedAmnesia completely forgotten the moments before it occurred, and thus doesn't know the hijacking ever occurred.]]

** Yui / [[HeroicAlbino Rei]] / [[EldritchAbomination MeyerClone]] - [[MarySue Bella]]
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** Yui / [[HeroicAlbino Rei]] / [[EldritchAbomination MeyerClone]] - [[MarySue Bella]]Bella

She aready existed in some form within Bella since the series started. Notice how everybody loved Renesmee as soon as she was born ? Because she already existed in spirit within Bella, it's what made Bella a MarySue in the first place. This can be confirmed by the fact Jacob only loved Bella until Renesmee was born.
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She aready already existed in some form within Bella since the series started. Notice how everybody loved Renesmee as soon as she was born ? born? Because she already existed in spirit within Bella, it's what made Bella a MarySue so loved in the first place. This can be confirmed by the fact Jacob only loved Bella until Renesmee was born.

Oh sure, they'd like to believe that only certain [[MarySue special snowflakes]] like [[AuthorAvatar Bella]] are smart enough to realize that these people are actually blood-drinking abominations, but the truth is that the rest of the humans are fully aware of what the Cullens are, they just pretend to ignore it so the Cullens will leave them alone. After all, there are some things that people can't be oblivious to unless they're intentionally trying not to notice. Edward stopped a van with his bare hands, in front of a crowd of onlookers, and nobody so much as pointed out that he should be injured. No, they knew. The Cullens tend to come back to the area regularly, after all, so there were likely plenty of older folks who remembered them and old accounts of their activities. Plus they're abnormally pale, icy cold, and skip school whenever it's a sunny day. Nobody questions it, the teachers don't get onto them about it, and no truant officer goes after them. That's because they simply don't care to bother trying. They all know the [[EverybodyKnewAlready Cullens are vampires]], but it's easier to let them think they're fooling anybody so the vampires don't panic over people knowing their secret and actually start killing folks.
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Oh sure, they'd like to believe that only certain [[MarySue special snowflakes]] snowflakes like [[AuthorAvatar Bella]] are smart enough to realize that these people are actually blood-drinking abominations, but the truth is that the rest of the humans are fully aware of what the Cullens are, they just pretend to ignore it so the Cullens will leave them alone. After all, there are some things that people can't be oblivious to unless they're intentionally trying not to notice. Edward stopped a van with his bare hands, in front of a crowd of onlookers, and nobody so much as pointed out that he should be injured. No, they knew. The Cullens tend to come back to the area regularly, after all, so there were likely plenty of older folks who remembered them and old accounts of their activities. Plus they're abnormally pale, icy cold, and skip school whenever it's a sunny day. Nobody questions it, the teachers don't get onto them about it, and no truant officer goes after them. That's because they simply don't care to bother trying. They all know the [[EverybodyKnewAlready Cullens are vampires]], but it's easier to let them think they're fooling anybody so the vampires don't panic over people knowing their secret and actually start killing folks.

[[ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures Xadhoom]] will show up and kill Bella, ending the series. Let's be honest, What would be more satisfying than for a Well-written character to kill the definite MarySue?
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[[ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures Xadhoom]] ''ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures'''s Xadhoom will show up and kill Bella, ending the series. Let's be honest, What would be more satisfying than for a Well-written character to kill the definite MarySue? [[TheHero Hero?]]
24th Dec '15 4:50:32 AM SeptimusHeap
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Typo
The vampires of Twilight have next to none of the weaknesses of the original, and only resemble them superficially (the pale skin, aversion to sunlight, and blood-drinking) and in advantages (immortality and increased strength and speed), as well as getting unheard-of ones of their own (specific-to-person superpowers). The werewolves of twilight have next to none of the weaknesses of the original and only resemble them superficially (a human that can turn into a wolf) and in advantages (increased strength and... well, ability to turn into a wolf). So it's safe to say that, without us beign told, we wouldn't be able to recognize another mythological creature because they lack many of the defining characteristics, with only superficial resemblance and the advantages. So a Twilight-zombie would likely be a creature who is not, as zombies are actually required to be, dead. They would have superficial similarities (vacant expression, lack of emotion, a simple-minded devotion to a cause)
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The vampires of Twilight have next to none of the weaknesses of the original, and only resemble them superficially (the pale skin, aversion to sunlight, and blood-drinking) and in advantages (immortality and increased strength and speed), as well as getting unheard-of ones of their own (specific-to-person superpowers). The werewolves of twilight have next to none of the weaknesses of the original and only resemble them superficially (a human that can turn into a wolf) and in advantages (increased strength and... well, ability to turn into a wolf). So it's safe to say that, without us beign being told, we wouldn't be able to recognize another mythological creature because they lack many of the defining characteristics, with only superficial resemblance and the advantages. So a Twilight-zombie would likely be a creature who is not, as zombies are actually required to be, dead. They would have superficial similarities (vacant expression, lack of emotion, a simple-minded devotion to a cause)
4th Dec '15 6:47:32 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Meyer will collaborate with SeltzerAndFriedberg and create the most popular movie of all time.]]
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[[WMG: Meyer will collaborate with SeltzerAndFriedberg Creator/SeltzerAndFriedberg and create the most popular movie of all time.]]
12th Nov '15 6:59:44 PM nombretomado
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** Of course, that's the dimension where all those things are ''good'': Larry the Cable Guy is only known as [[WesternAnimation/{{Cars}} Mater]], Schumacher got some substance to go with the style, ''Epic Movie'' and its ilk are proper parodies along the lines of ''{{Airplane}}!'' and ''RobinHoodMenInTights'', and ''Twilight'' is the ascended 'tween spin-off of ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer''. However, due to equivalent exchange, this means that {{Pixar}} movies are [[SoOkayItsAverage just "okay"]] and Creator/HayaoMiyazaki and Creator/AkiraKurosawa are obscure directors who are only known among other filmmakers and ''otaku''.
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** Of course, that's the dimension where all those things are ''good'': Larry the Cable Guy is only known as [[WesternAnimation/{{Cars}} Mater]], Schumacher got some substance to go with the style, ''Epic Movie'' and its ilk are proper parodies along the lines of ''{{Airplane}}!'' and ''RobinHoodMenInTights'', ''Film/RobinHoodMenInTights'', and ''Twilight'' is the ascended 'tween spin-off of ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer''. However, due to equivalent exchange, this means that {{Pixar}} movies are [[SoOkayItsAverage just "okay"]] and Creator/HayaoMiyazaki and Creator/AkiraKurosawa are obscure directors who are only known among other filmmakers and ''otaku''.
12th Nov '15 5:21:57 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: RobertPattinson was the one who leaked Literature/MidnightSun.]]
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[[WMG: RobertPattinson Creator/RobertPattinson was the one who leaked Literature/MidnightSun.]]
31st Oct '15 2:38:50 PM StFan
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* So ''that's'' the dimension where ''WesternAnimation/{{WALL-E}}'' swept the Oscars and ''HisDarkMaterials'' got picked up by a joint {{Pixar}}/StudioGhibli collaboration and won Best Picture/Animated Feature/Director/Adaptation/Score/Special Effects three years in a row.
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* So ''that's'' the dimension where ''WesternAnimation/{{WALL-E}}'' ''WesternAnimation/WallE'' swept the Oscars and ''HisDarkMaterials'' ''Film/HisDarkMaterials'' got picked up by a joint {{Pixar}}/StudioGhibli Creator/{{Pixar}}[=/=]Creator/StudioGhibli collaboration and won Best Picture/Animated Feature/Director/Adaptation/Score/Special Effects three years in a row.
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