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26th Jun '17 12:42:23 PM Retloclive
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* Po Bidau Gustang is one of the Ten Great Family leaders that rules the Tower under King Zahard. However, Gustang's daughter, Princess Eurasia, ended up going crazy after activating 2 13-Month weapons during a time when she was looking like the prime candidate that will win the Zahard Princess competition. TheReveal that there's a ghost hiding within the 13-Month weapons that will make anyone who tries to collect the weapons [[DemonicPossession look like they went insane]] goes to show that Zahard has put a plan together to make sure that no one will ever win the Princess competition, and keep his potential threats to the throne in check.

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* Po Bidau Gustang is one of the Ten Great Family leaders that rules the Tower under King Zahard. However, Gustang's daughter, Princess Eurasia, ended up going crazy after activating 2 13-Month weapons during a time when she was looking like the prime candidate that will win the Zahard Princess competition. TheReveal that there's a ghost hiding within the 13-Month weapons that will make anyone who tries to collect the weapons [[DemonicPossession look like they went insane]] goes to show that Zahard has put a plan together to make sure that no one will ever win the Princess competition, and keep his potential threats to the throne in check.
26th Jun '17 12:41:52 PM Retloclive
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* With the practical limitations of building a Tower of the size depicted in story (even in a [[AWizardDidIt world full of magic]] populated by [[PhysicalGod Exis]]), as well as certain supplementary materials suggesting it's BiggerOnTheInside, it would make perfect sense for the inhabitants of the Tower to be living inside a constructed world with different physical laws than our own. The [[RealityWarper Axis]] would, in that case, be the devs of their region, capable of RewritingReality.

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* With the practical limitations of building a Tower of the size depicted in story (even in a [[AWizardDidIt world full of magic]] populated by [[PhysicalGod Exis]]), as well as certain supplementary materials suggesting it's BiggerOnTheInside, it would make perfect sense for the inhabitants of the Tower to be living inside a constructed world with different physical laws than our own. The [[RealityWarper Axis]] would, in that case, be the devs of their region, capable of RewritingReality.RewritingReality.

[[WMG: Gustang is going to betray Zahard]]
* Po Bidau Gustang is one of the Ten Great Family leaders that rules the Tower under King Zahard. However, Gustang's daughter, Princess Eurasia, ended up going crazy after activating 2 13-Month weapons during a time when she was looking like the prime candidate that will win the Zahard Princess competition. TheReveal that there's a ghost hiding within the 13-Month weapons that will make anyone who tries to collect the weapons [[DemonicPossession look like they went insane]] goes to show that Zahard has put a plan together to make sure that no one will ever win the Princess competition, and keep his potential threats to the throne in check.

Obviously, Gustang would find out about this, and not appreciate that Zahard's plan did this to Eurasia, and is now looking for potential allies that will one day support him in [[{{Revenge}} getting back]] at Zahard. This is why Gustang appeared to be supporting Baam from behind-the-scenes of the Workshop Battle, and now appears to also be the person that made sure Princess Garam hiding out on the Floor of Death was able to be kept secret from the eyes of Zahard.
18th May '17 8:31:54 AM Wixelt
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* In summary, based on stories of the Tower of Babel, the average floor height of the real world tallest tower as of this writing, the Burj Khalifa, a little bit of rounding, and discounting results we already know can't be right (less than 135), the Tower could have anything from 483 to 6,134 floors high. Not very helpful, but this was a fun train of thought.

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* In summary, based on stories of the Tower of Babel, the average floor height of the real world tallest tower as of this writing, the Burj Khalifa, a little bit of rounding, and discounting results we already know can't be right (less than 135), the Tower could have be anything from 483 to 6,134 floors high. Not very helpful, but this was a fun train of thought.
18th May '17 8:27:28 AM Wixelt
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* In summary, based on stories of the Tower of Babel, the average floor height of the real world tallest tower as of this writing, the Burj Khalifa, a little bit of rounding, and discounting results we already know can't be right (less than 135), the Tower could have anything from 483 to 6,134 floors high. Not very helpful, but this was a fun train of thought.
18th May '17 8:23:14 AM Wixelt
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[[WMG: The 135th Floor, or one not too far above it, is the final floor.]]
* Of course, as no-one's passed it, no-one knows for sure.

[[WMG: In compliment to several of the above (namely the Tower not having a top, it not yet having a top, and the top being the 135th), the Tower used to have a top, but doesn't anymore. At least not one that's anywhere close, that is.]]
* Phantaminum, being an Exis, created more floors when they reached the original top so that they might ascend forever. There used to be a top a lot closer to the 134th before this, though whether any of the guardians remember this or just think it's always been this way is up for debate.

[[WMG: Working out possible tower heights based on records and claims of the Tower of Babel's height.]]
You never know. SIU might have worked out a height based on one of these stories. Note that many of these ideas are taken from external sources:
* The tallest Mesopotamian Ziggurat was approximately 91 meters tall.
** If it wasn't for the number being lower than the known floor numbers, you could claim that there'd be a floor for every meter.
* The Book of Jubilees says the Tower's height was 5,433 cubits and 2 palms (2,484m/8,150 ft), about 3x the height of Burj Khalifa, (~1.6 miles high).
** We know each floor of our Tower is high enough, in many cases, for an artificial sky to exist, which is probably a few miles, so that's not much help. However, if you were to count it by actual floors (even though real floors are much small than [=ToG=] floors), you could factor it. The Burj Khalifa is in the region of 163 floors, including both usable and unusable upper areas, so a tower with 3x as many floors as that would be in the area of 489 floors.
** Alternatively, if you were to break the Burj Khalifa down mathematically (838m ÷ 163 floors = 0.1945 floors per meter), you could calculate the number of floors a Tower of 2,484m would have (0.1945fpm x 2,484m), that being 483.138, or 483 floors, so a little shorter than 489.
* The Third Apocalypse of Baruch mentions the 'tower of strife' reaching a height of 463 cubits/211.8m/695 ft, taller than any structure built in human history at the time.
** As a real tower, as we've established, this comes nowhere close to [=ToG=]'s setting, which is probably bigger than the Earth itself, not even counting the world outside. However, if you were to run the numbers through the above floor counter (0.1945 x 211.8m), you'd get... 41.195 floors. So not all that helpful here.
* Gregory of Tours quotes the historian Orosius as saying the tower was "made of baked brick cemented with pitch, is fifty cubits wide, two hundred high, and four hundred and seventy stades in circumference. A stade contains five agripennes. Twenty-five gates are situated on each side, which make in all one hundred."
** The definition of the stade (or stadion) unit of measurement varies from text to text, but someone once average all those and got 157.7m, which would place the tower at around 31,540m (~19.6 miles) high, or 6,134.5 floors, based on above calculations. However, as i've read this i've realised that, as awesome as that would be, the height seems to actually be being measured in cubits, not stades. A cubit is 0.4572m, placing the tower at 91.44m (0.4572m x 200), or 17.785 floors. ...Personally, I prefer the stade calculation
* A medieval account by Giovanni Villani claims that "it measured eighty miles round, and it was already 4,000 paces high, or 5.92 km (3.68 mi)."
** If this were the case, 5.92km, or 5,920m, would amount to, in terms of our floor factoring (0.1945 x 5,920m), 1,151.44 floors. Still very high, but possibly more manageable than over 6,000, as above. I like high though, it gives Baam (or Rachel, depending on your view) something to reach for.
* The 14th-century traveler John Mandeville made an account of the tower, and reported that its height had been 64 furlongs, or 13 km (8 mi), according to the local inhabitants.
** 13km, or 13,000m, [[Main/CaptainObvious is very high.]] So high in fact that it equates to around 2,528.5 real world Burj floors (0.1945 x 13,000m).
* The 17th-century historian Verstegan quotes Isidore, and says that the tower was 5,164 paces high, or 7.6 km (4.7 mi), and quoting Josephus that the tower was wider than it was high, more like a mountain than a tower.
** This would match what we've heard of the tower's width in [=ToG=], though I believe it, unlike Babel, is probably a lot higher than it is wide. That said, at 7.6km, or 7,600m, this clocks in at around 1478.2 real world Burj floors (0.1945 x 7,600m).
31st Mar '17 3:45:12 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: The Tower is [[OrionsArm a virchworld]]]]

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[[WMG: The Tower is [[OrionsArm [[WebOriginal/OrionsArm a virchworld]]]]
23rd Mar '17 1:38:20 AM Swordnoob
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[[spoiler:Since V is likely Baam's father, it's possible that Grace Mirchea Luslec wanted Baam/Jyu Viole Grace to inherit both of his parents' names.]]

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[[spoiler:Since V is likely Baam's father, it's possible that Grace Mirchea Luslec wanted Baam/Jyu Viole Grace to inherit both of his parents' names.]]]]

[[WMG: The Tower is [[OrionsArm a virchworld]]]]
* With the practical limitations of building a Tower of the size depicted in story (even in a [[AWizardDidIt world full of magic]] populated by [[PhysicalGod Exis]]), as well as certain supplementary materials suggesting it's BiggerOnTheInside, it would make perfect sense for the inhabitants of the Tower to be living inside a constructed world with different physical laws than our own. The [[RealityWarper Axis]] would, in that case, be the devs of their region, capable of RewritingReality.
18th Mar '17 8:14:20 PM Bugfragged
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* just wild here but it could be an interesting story how [[spoiler: Karaka]] went form being a prodigy unequaled in his family and a agent of Zahard to a [[spoiler:Slayer]] and what happened with kaiser and afterward would make a great StartOfDarkness.

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* just wild here but it could be an interesting story how [[spoiler: Karaka]] went form being a prodigy unequaled in his family and a agent of Zahard to a [[spoiler:Slayer]] and what happened with kaiser and afterward would make a great StartOfDarkness.StartOfDarkness.

[[WMG: V's real name is Viole.]]
[[spoiler:Since V is likely Baam's father, it's possible that Grace Mirchea Luslec wanted Baam/Jyu Viole Grace to inherit both of his parents' names.]]
22nd Dec '16 5:07:23 PM Arkanian
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* Essentially confirmed by the most recent chapter -- except rather than a weapon, they were part of the key that Zahard used to lock access to the 135th floor.
23rd Oct '16 12:38:53 PM jokevv
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* It was mentioned that she fell for a genius from the same family and [[spoiler:Ren]] is the same family a genius and the youngest member of [[spoiler: RED]] along with a complete JerkAss who would use someone feeling like that for even if they loved you.

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* It was mentioned that she fell for a genius from the same family and [[spoiler:Ren]] is the same family a genius and the youngest member of [[spoiler: RED]] along with a complete JerkAss who would use someone feeling like that for even if they loved you.you.

[[WMG: [[spoiler: The boy who tricked Kaiser is Karaka]]]]
* just wild here but it could be an interesting story how [[spoiler: Karaka]] went form being a prodigy unequaled in his family and a agent of Zahard to a [[spoiler:Slayer]] and what happened with kaiser and afterward would make a great StartOfDarkness.
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