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3rd Mar '16 7:30:28 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* In the Copper Isles, the naming scheme differs from Tortall--nobles are the ones with surnames and commoners don't have any. This applies to the raka as well, with the maiden name of Dove and Sarai's mother being Temaida. Other raka servants and/or conspirators are not mentioned as having surnames, just Ulasim, Ochobu, and Junai.

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* In the Copper Isles, the naming scheme differs from Tortall--nobles are the ones with surnames and commoners don't have any. This applies to the raka as well, with the maiden name of Dove and Sarai's mother being Temaida. Other raka servants and/or conspirators are not mentioned as having surnames, just Ulasim, Ochobu, and Junai.Junai.

[[WMG: Rosto is from Fief Rasthhausak]]
* At one point, a character speculates that Rosto was once from the Scanran nobility. Fief Rasthhausak has been in decline for a while, so it stands to reason that an illegitimate son (Rosto's mother was an entertainer) might get quietly sent away once he was old enough so as not to be a strain on resources.
2nd Mar '15 9:57:29 AM sarantha
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* Varice Kingsford. A book about a woman mage who wants to only use her powers for cooking, making things pretty, etc. and gets dragged into the evil of Ozorne's court would be a very interesting read. This troper loved Varice because she was a powerful woman and she was still a stereotypical woman, baking, sewing, making things pretty, and she still had a high rank in the court of an EvilOverlord.
28th Feb '15 9:18:46 PM JasonJD48
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If one of Aly&Nawat's children married one of Daine&Numair's, that's be one heck of a power combination. It could be hobby for him like breeding dogs. All this means that his true identity is [[{{Dune}} Bene Gesserit]].

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If one of Aly&Nawat's children married one of Daine&Numair's, that's be one heck of a power combination. It could be hobby for him like breeding dogs. All this means that his true identity is [[{{Dune}} [[Franchise/{{Dune}} Bene Gesserit]].
28th Jan '15 10:31:52 AM elizabella22
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* Except Aly doubts they realize their god is dark-skinned, judging by how they look down on the arks because of their complexion, calling them dogs.
18th Feb '14 12:19:13 PM eowynjedi
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* A priestess. Maybe a warrior priestess?

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* A priestess. Maybe a warrior priestess?priestess?

[[WMG:The Dodekas are descendents of the old raka nobility.]]
* In the Copper Isles, the naming scheme differs from Tortall--nobles are the ones with surnames and commoners don't have any. This applies to the raka as well, with the maiden name of Dove and Sarai's mother being Temaida. Other raka servants and/or conspirators are not mentioned as having surnames, just Ulasim, Ochobu, and Junai.
26th Oct '13 4:51:17 AM Joyce13
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* The three girls Kel met in ''Squire'' all survive Page training, and one ends up as Kel's squire. Whether or not all three girls become pages is unknown, but WordOfGod is that one of then ''does'' become Kel's squire.

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* The three girls Kel met in ''Squire'' all survive Page training, and one ends up as Kel's squire. Whether or not all three girls become pages is unknown, but WordOfGod is that one of then them ''does'' become Kel's squire.squire. (Another becomes Neal's squire, but Kel fills in for him when he's slacking in his duties as knight-master.)
25th Oct '13 11:52:38 AM ChaoticNovelist
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* The three girls Kel met in ''Squire'' all survive Page training, and one ends up as Kel's squire.
** Whether or not all three girls become pages is still unknown, but WordOfGod is that one of then ''does'' become Kel's squire.

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* The three girls Kel met in ''Squire'' all survive Page training, and one ends up as Kel's squire.
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squire. Whether or not all three girls become pages is still unknown, but WordOfGod is that one of then ''does'' become Kel's squire.



* Maybe she's a constellation.

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* Maybe she's a constellation.

Another possibility is that Cloud is a ''constellation''. According to Faithful/Pounce, they're different things.



If one of Aly&Nawat's children married one of Daine&Numair's, that's be one heck of a power combination. Just thought I'd mention it.
* Maybe it's a hobby for him. Like breeding dogs.
* Maybe Pounce is a [[{{Dune}} Bene Gesserit]].

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If one of Aly&Nawat's children married one of Daine&Numair's, that's be one heck of a power combination. Just thought I'd mention it.
* Maybe it's a
It could be hobby for him. Like him like breeding dogs.
* Maybe Pounce
dogs. All this means that his true identity is a [[{{Dune}} Bene Gesserit]].



It's established from the beginning that Jon takes advantage of his position as a prince in the ranks of the pages. He and his group are the leaders because of his position, and he uses his authority whenever possible. Even Gary and Raoul defer to him, letting him take Alanna as his squire instead of choosing her themselves. The only one that doesn't seem to be fazed by his position as the Crown Prince is Alanna, which is why he falls in love with her.
* This would also help explain his feelings for Thayet; as a Princess of Sarain, she is not going to be overawed by Jonathan's station. Both Jon's first love (Alanna) and the love of his life (Thayet) have an element of ILoveYouBecauseICantControlYou about them!

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It's established from the beginning that Jon takes advantage of his position as a prince in the ranks of the pages. He and his group are the leaders because of his position, and he uses his authority whenever possible. Even Gary and Raoul defer to him, letting him take Alanna as his squire instead of choosing her themselves. The only one that doesn't seem to be fazed by his position as the Crown Prince is Alanna, which is why he falls in love with her.
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her. This would also help explain his feelings for Thayet; as a Princess of Sarain, she is not going to be overawed by Jonathan's station. Both Jon's first love (Alanna) and the love of his life (Thayet) have an element of ILoveYouBecauseICantControlYou about them!



Tamora Pierce doesn't show any aversion to potentially awkward age gaps between couples--Daine and Numair, case-in-point--and in the ''Alanna: The First Adventure'', Alanna is eleven while George is described as "a man."
* He's supposedly 17 when they first meet, when Alanna is heading into Corus for her training as a knight, aged 11. So, 6 years difference.

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Tamora Pierce doesn't show any aversion to potentially awkward age gaps between couples--Daine and Numair, case-in-point--and in the ''Alanna: The First Adventure'', Alanna is eleven while George is described as "a man."
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" He's supposedly 17 when they first meet, when Alanna is heading into Corus for her training as a knight, aged 11. So, 6 years difference.



In ''Wild Magic'', everyone warms to her immediately. Everyone. Other than Onua, most of them find her amazing/brilliant/adorable within minutes despite not really knowing anything about her. Boys flirt with her, the royal family trusts her, even children love her. The only plausible explanation is that her goddess blood subliminally forces those around her to like, if not love her.
* People may respond to Daine with unusual/unreasonable sympathy rather than liking. Bear in mind that in "Wild Magic" Daine is a troubled, shy, intelligent thirteen-year-old child. She conducts herself with conscientiousness, bravery and hard work so it seems there's no mystery about why people in-universe might like the girl. She's not a perfect person, of course, but then it's not as if even the most sympathetic adults characters don't lose patience with Daine when circumstance pushes them: Alanna loses her temper on a couple of occasions (notably when Daine messes with the horses' obedience); Numair gets annoyed with Daine when the girl is bullshitting him in their lessons. She is also fascinating to these people, possessing a kind of magic half-believed to be mythical, so it's also no wonder extra attention is paid to her. Finally, there are non-evil characters who dislike the girl: Selda, one of the Riders takes against Daine. And after Daine demonstrates the breadth of her powers, there are plenty who become wary of the girl - and they're not condemned in the story for feeling that way. 'Boys flirt with her' - one, maybe two characters make flirty comments int he whole book, and the context is more that they're flirty people rather than particularly interested in daine. 'Children flock to her' - she's a child herself who can introduce them to wild animals; it seems natural enough that they're tail her. 'The royal family trusts her' - I'm willing to concede that perhaps the royal household are very willing to trust a stranger, but the fact she is an unworldly thirteen-year-old, and the fact she is vouched for by the royals' chief mage, are rather mitigating factors. I'm not saying the above opinion isn't valid (although if Daine has the unconscious power to make people like her, it didn't work too well in the village she grew up in); but to my mind the more 'plausible' explanation is that Daine is simply a pretty likeable young girl, rather than that her god/dess inheritance makes her preternaturally sympathetic to people.

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In ''Wild Magic'', everyone warms to her immediately. Everyone. Other than Onua, most of them find her amazing/brilliant/adorable within minutes despite not really knowing anything about her. Boys flirt with her, the royal family trusts her, even children love her. The only plausible explanation is that her Her goddess blood subliminally forces those around her to like, if not love her.
* People may respond to Daine with unusual/unreasonable sympathy rather than liking. Bear in mind that in "Wild Magic" Daine is
her. After all, if her Wild Magic can make a troubled, shy, intelligent thirteen-year-old child. She conducts herself with conscientiousness, bravery and hard work so it seems there's no mystery about why people in-universe might jerkass like the girl. She's not a perfect person, of course, but then it's not as if even the most sympathetic adults characters don't lose patience with Daine when circumstance pushes them: Alanna loses her temper on a couple of occasions (notably when Daine messes with the horses' obedience); Numair gets annoyed with Daine when the girl is bullshitting him in their lessons. She is also fascinating to these people, possessing a kind of magic half-believed to be mythical, so it's also no wonder extra attention is paid to her. Finally, there are non-evil characters who dislike the girl: Selda, one of the Riders takes against Daine. And after Daine demonstrates the breadth of her powers, there are plenty who become wary of the girl - and they're not condemned in the story for feeling that way. 'Boys flirt with her' - one, maybe two characters make flirty comments int he whole book, and the context is more that they're flirty people rather than particularly interested in daine. 'Children flock to her' - she's a child herself who can introduce them to wild animals; it seems natural enough that they're tail her. 'The royal family trusts her' - I'm willing to concede that perhaps the royal household are very willing to PeachBlossom trust a stranger, but the fact she is an unworldly thirteen-year-old, and the fact she is vouched for by the royals' chief mage, are rather mitigating factors. I'm not saying the above opinion isn't valid (although if Daine has the unconscious power to make people like her, it didn't work too well in the village she grew up in); but to my mind the more 'plausible' explanation is that Daine is simply a pretty likeable young girl, rather than that her god/dess inheritance makes her preternaturally sympathetic to people.
could have ''some'' effect on already friendly humans.



* A commoner--one that doesn't get adopted into a good family like Beka, but grows up a peasant, stays a peasant, and is awesome because she's had to work for everything and still does something that drastically saves/betters Tortall.
* A lady who doesn't enjoy fighting or magic but is awesome and empowered anyway.
** You might get this with Maura of Dunlath? One of the upcoming books is going to be about her coming-of-age.

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* A commoner--one that doesn't get adopted into a good family like Beka, but grows up a peasant, stays a peasant, and is awesome because she's had to work for everything and still does something that drastically saves/betters Tortall.
she uses a peasant weapon like a scythe instead of a noble's sword.
* A lady who doesn't enjoy fighting or magic but is awesome and empowered anyway.
** You might get this with
anyway. Someone like Maura of Dunlath? Dunlath. One of the upcoming books is going to be about her coming-of-age.
12th Sep '13 11:56:56 AM Ellowen
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Cloud's shown to be incredibly intelligent, responsible for Daine's return to humanity, and completely in potential of his own mind. He even controls Numair's training to a certain extent.

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Cloud's shown to be incredibly intelligent, responsible for Daine's return to humanity, and completely in potential of his her own mind. He She even controls Numair's training to a certain extent.
1st May '13 3:50:33 PM eowynjedi
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** You might get this with Maura of Dunlath? One of the upcoming books is going to be about her coming-of-age.
28th Apr '13 3:41:56 PM Echochooo
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* A lady who doesn't enjoy fighting or magic but is awesome and empowered anyway.

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* A lady who doesn't enjoy fighting or magic but is awesome and empowered anyway.anyway.
* A priestess. Maybe a warrior priestess?
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