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21st Aug '16 3:03:32 AM zonezeroh
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[[spoiler: Gourmet Luck is one of the most mysterious entity in the Toriko world, only very limited individuals in this world has it, and it has no bearing on how much physical power one has (Starjun admitted that despite being both a chef and very powerful, he doesn't have it, not to mention most other gourmet hunters such as the four king themselves, even the nitros have no access to it and having to resort to capturing people from the human world who does), most prominently it resides in the world's foremost chef, at the very top of which is Froese and Komatsu (Zonge is the hidden one). It has certain identifiable properties: 1. it has nothing to do with gourmet cells as far as we know, many chef have no gourmet cells infused in them at all; 2. it bestows knowledge on a instinct level on where to find ingredients, and insights on how to cook them, no matter how rare; 3. it bestows unnatural physics bending level of luck to its owner (Komatsu should by all means and purposes be space dust by now given all the crap he had gone through without being a fraction of the power of the others, ditto for Zonge), at extreme level prevents direct hostile action from powerful individuals from harming them; 4. it somehow can be copied, Midora explicitly stated that he copied it from Joie when he broke out of the golden can;
fifth, it can be taken if the user was body jacked by gourmet spirit; sixth, it is also an ingredient, at least when eaten in conjunction with part of Toriko himself. Conclusion: Gourmet Luck is a different kind of gourmet cell that is maybe from somewhere outside of this galaxy/universe that is able to recall memories outside the known world and able to use a different kind of appetite energy to affect physics around them, proof: 1. Gourmet Cells have different kinds/colors to them mentioned by multiple people throughout the manga, NEO itself is suppose to be a new discovery according to Pair, thus the name "NEO" (as in new), who is to say Gourmet Luck is not another kind of alien cell especially considering that Nitros themselves seems to lack this particular attribute despite being made entirely of pure gourmet cells(explaining their inefficient way to cook ingredients, they lack the insight bestow by Gourmet Luck, thus need to improvise their own cooking method) 2. Regardless of how mysterious its effects are, it seems to be purely physical in nature at least at its core, evident by how it remains with Froese's body despite her spirit is long gone, and that Joie who hijacked the body is able to utilize it to its full extent with no rejection, it stands to reason that it resides in the body and body alone regardless of the spirit. 3. it can be copied by Midora's chameleon cells which I assume cannot copy spirit. 4. it is described by Starjun as an ingredient that is most compatible with his gourmet cells, the only one so far in this story that can eat spirits is NEO, it is safe to assume Starjun is unlikely to be able to do the same, therefore it is likely to be physical in nature for it to be consumable to him. 5. Starjun labeled gourmet luck as a forgotten flavor, meaning he must have tasted it before, and since he needs Toriko's cells in order to render it edible (kind of like how Another can make inedible things edible when eaten by awakening gourmet demon's tongue) it must happen before he was separated from Toriko, which place the time frame very close to their birth, now whose gourmet luck did they taste back then? Their mother, who must have been a great chef back then... Froese herself maybe?]]

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[[spoiler: Gourmet Luck is one of the most mysterious entity in the Toriko world, only very limited individuals in this world has it, and it has no bearing on how much physical power one has (Starjun admitted that despite being both a chef and very powerful, he doesn't have it, not to mention most other gourmet hunters such as the four king themselves, even the nitros have no access to it and having to resort to capturing people from the human world who does), most prominently it resides in the world's foremost chef, at the very top of which is Froese and Komatsu (Zonge is the hidden one). It has certain identifiable properties: 1. first, it has nothing to do with gourmet cells as far as we know, many chef have no gourmet cells infused in them at all; 2. second, it bestows knowledge on a instinct level on where to find ingredients, and insights on how to cook them, no matter how rare; 3. third, it bestows unnatural physics bending level of luck to its owner (Komatsu should by all means and purposes be space dust by now given all the crap he had gone through without being a fraction of the power of the others, ditto for Zonge), at extreme level prevents direct hostile action from powerful individuals from harming them; 4. fourth, it somehow can be copied, Midora explicitly stated that he copied it from Joie when he broke out of the golden can;
can; fifth, it can be taken if the user was body jacked by gourmet spirit; sixth, it is also an ingredient, at least when eaten in conjunction with part of Toriko himself. Conclusion: Gourmet Luck is a different kind of gourmet cell that is maybe from somewhere outside of this galaxy/universe that is able to recall memories outside the known world and able to use a different kind of appetite energy to affect physics around them, proof: 1. Gourmet Cells have different kinds/colors to them mentioned by multiple people throughout the manga, NEO itself is suppose to be a new discovery according to Pair, thus the name "NEO" (as in new), who is to say Gourmet Luck is not another kind of alien cell especially considering that Nitros themselves seems to lack this particular attribute despite being made entirely of pure gourmet cells(explaining their inefficient way to cook ingredients, they lack the insight bestow by Gourmet Luck, thus need to improvise their own cooking method) 2. Regardless of how mysterious its effects are, it seems to be purely physical in nature at least at its core, evident by how it remains with Froese's body despite her spirit is long gone, and that Joie who hijacked the body is able to utilize it to its full extent with no rejection, it stands to reason that it resides in the body and body alone regardless of the spirit. 3. it can be copied by Midora's chameleon cells which I assume cannot copy spirit. 4. it is described by Starjun as an ingredient that is most compatible with his gourmet cells, the only one so far in this story that can eat spirits is NEO, it is safe to assume Starjun is unlikely to be able to do the same, therefore it is likely to be physical in nature for it to be consumable to him. 5. Starjun labeled gourmet luck as a forgotten flavor, meaning he must have tasted it before, and since he needs Toriko's cells in order to render it edible (kind of like how Another can make inedible things edible when eaten by awakening gourmet demon's tongue) it must happen before he was separated from Toriko, which place the time frame very close to their birth, now whose gourmet luck did they taste back then? Their mother, who must have been a great chef back then... Froese herself maybe?]]
21st Aug '16 3:02:37 AM zonezeroh
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[[spoiler: Gourmet Luck is one of the most mysterious entity in the Toriko world, only very limited individuals in this world has it, and it has no bearing on how much physical power one has (Starjun admitted that despite being both a chef and very powerful, he doesn't have it, not to mention most other gourmet hunters such as the four king themselves, even the nitros have no access to it and having to resort to capturing people from the human world who does), most prominently it resides in the world's foremost chef, at the very top of which is Froese and Komatsu (Zonge is the hidden one). It has certain identifiable properties:
1. it has nothing to do with gourmet cells as far as we know, many chef have no gourmet cells infused in them at all;
2. it bestows knowledge on a instinct level on where to find ingredients, and insights on how to cook them, no matter how rare;
3. it bestows unnatural physics bending level of luck to its owner (Komatsu should by all means and purposes be space dust by now given all the crap he had gone through without being a fraction of the power of the others, ditto for Zonge), at extreme level prevents direct hostile action from powerful individuals from harming them;
4. it somehow can be copied, Midora explicitly stated that he copied it from Joie when he broke out of the golden can;
fifth, it can be taken if the user was body jacked by gourmet spirit; sixth, it is also an ingredient, at least when eaten in conjunction with part of Toriko himself.
Conclusion: Gourmet Luck is a different kind of gourmet cell that is maybe from somewhere outside of this galaxy/universe that is able to recall memories outside the known world and able to use a different kind of appetite energy to affect physics around them, proof:
1. Gourmet Cells have different kinds/colors to them mentioned by multiple people throughout the manga, NEO itself is suppose to be a new discovery according to Pair, thus the name "NEO" (as in new), who is to say Gourmet Luck is not another kind of alien cell especially considering that Nitros themselves seems to lack this particular attribute despite being made entirely of pure gourmet cells(explaining their inefficient way to cook ingredients, they lack the insight bestow by Gourmet Luck, thus need to improvise their own cooking method)
2. Regardless of how mysterious its effects are, it seems to be purely physical in nature at least at its core, evident by how it remains with Froese's body despite her spirit is long gone, and that Joie who hijacked the body is able to utilize it to its full extent with no rejection, it stands to reason that it resides in the body and body alone regardless of the spirit.
3. it can be copied by Midora's chameleon cells which I assume cannot copy spirit.
4. it is described by Starjun as an ingredient that is most compatible with his gourmet cells, the only one so far in this story that can eat spirits is NEO, it is safe to assume Starjun is unlikely to be able to do the same, therefore it is likely to be physical in nature for it to be consumable to him.
5. Starjun labeled gourmet luck as a forgotten flavor, meaning he must have tasted it before, and since he needs Toriko's cells in order to render it edible (kind of like how Another can make inedible things edible when eaten by awakening gourmet demon's tongue) it must happen before he was separated from Toriko, which place the time frame very close to their birth, now whose gourmet luck did they taste back then? Their mother, who must have been a great chef back then... Froese herself maybe?]]

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[[spoiler: Gourmet Luck is one of the most mysterious entity in the Toriko world, only very limited individuals in this world has it, and it has no bearing on how much physical power one has (Starjun admitted that despite being both a chef and very powerful, he doesn't have it, not to mention most other gourmet hunters such as the four king themselves, even the nitros have no access to it and having to resort to capturing people from the human world who does), most prominently it resides in the world's foremost chef, at the very top of which is Froese and Komatsu (Zonge is the hidden one). It has certain identifiable properties:
properties: 1. it has nothing to do with gourmet cells as far as we know, many chef have no gourmet cells infused in them at all;
all; 2. it bestows knowledge on a instinct level on where to find ingredients, and insights on how to cook them, no matter how rare;
rare; 3. it bestows unnatural physics bending level of luck to its owner (Komatsu should by all means and purposes be space dust by now given all the crap he had gone through without being a fraction of the power of the others, ditto for Zonge), at extreme level prevents direct hostile action from powerful individuals from harming them;
them; 4. it somehow can be copied, Midora explicitly stated that he copied it from Joie when he broke out of the golden can;
fifth, it can be taken if the user was body jacked by gourmet spirit; sixth, it is also an ingredient, at least when eaten in conjunction with part of Toriko himself. \n Conclusion: Gourmet Luck is a different kind of gourmet cell that is maybe from somewhere outside of this galaxy/universe that is able to recall memories outside the known world and able to use a different kind of appetite energy to affect physics around them, proof:
proof: 1. Gourmet Cells have different kinds/colors to them mentioned by multiple people throughout the manga, NEO itself is suppose to be a new discovery according to Pair, thus the name "NEO" (as in new), who is to say Gourmet Luck is not another kind of alien cell especially considering that Nitros themselves seems to lack this particular attribute despite being made entirely of pure gourmet cells(explaining their inefficient way to cook ingredients, they lack the insight bestow by Gourmet Luck, thus need to improvise their own cooking method)
method) 2. Regardless of how mysterious its effects are, it seems to be purely physical in nature at least at its core, evident by how it remains with Froese's body despite her spirit is long gone, and that Joie who hijacked the body is able to utilize it to its full extent with no rejection, it stands to reason that it resides in the body and body alone regardless of the spirit. \n 3. it can be copied by Midora's chameleon cells which I assume cannot copy spirit. \n 4. it is described by Starjun as an ingredient that is most compatible with his gourmet cells, the only one so far in this story that can eat spirits is NEO, it is safe to assume Starjun is unlikely to be able to do the same, therefore it is likely to be physical in nature for it to be consumable to him. \n 5. Starjun labeled gourmet luck as a forgotten flavor, meaning he must have tasted it before, and since he needs Toriko's cells in order to render it edible (kind of like how Another can make inedible things edible when eaten by awakening gourmet demon's tongue) it must happen before he was separated from Toriko, which place the time frame very close to their birth, now whose gourmet luck did they taste back then? Their mother, who must have been a great chef back then... Froese herself maybe?]]
21st Aug '16 3:00:56 AM zonezeroh
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[[spoiler: Gourmet Luck is one of the most mysterious entity in the Toriko world, only very limited individuals in this world has it, and it has no bearing on how much physical power one has (Starjun admitted that despite being both a chef and very powerful, he doesn't have it, not to mention most other gourmet hunters such as the four king themselves, even the nitros have no access to it and having to resort to capturing people from the human world who does), most prominently it resides in the world's foremost chef, at the very top of which is Froese and Komatsu (Zonge is the hidden one). It has certain identifiable properties: first, it has nothing to do with gourmet cells as far as we know, many chef have no gourmet cells infused in them at all; second, it bestows knowledge on a instinct level on where to find ingredients, and insights on how to cook them, no matter how rare; third, it bestows unnatural physics bending level of luck to its owner (Komatsu should by all means and purposes be space dust by now given all the crap he had gone through without being a fraction of the power of the others, ditto for Zonge), at extreme level prevents direct hostile action from powerful individuals from harming them; fourth, it somehow can be copied, Midora explicitly stated that he copied it from Joie when he broke out of the golden can; fifth, it can be taken if the user was body jacked by gourmet spirit; sixth, it is also an ingredient, at least when eaten in conjunction with part of Toriko himself. Conclusion: Gourmet Luck is a different kind of gourmet cell that is maybe from somewhere outside of this galaxy/universe that is able to recall memories outside the known world and able to use a different kind of appetite energy to affect physics around them, proof: 1. Gourmet Cells have different kinds/colors to them mentioned by multiple people throughout the manga, NEO itself is suppose to be a new discovery according to Pair, thus the name "NEO" (as in new), who is to say Gourmet Luck is not another kind of alien cell especially considering that Nitros themselves seems to lack this particular attribute despite being made entirely of pure gourmet cells(explaining their inefficient way to cook ingredients, they lack the insight bestow by Gourmet Luck, thus need to improvise their own cooking method) 2. Regardless of how mysterious its effects are, it seems to be purely physical in nature at least at its core, evident by how it remains with Froese's body despite her spirit is long gone, and that Joie who hijacked the body is able to utilize it to its full extent with no rejection, it stands to reason that it resides in the body and body alone regardless of the spirit. 3. it can be copied by Midora's chameleon cells which I assume cannot copy spirit. 4. it is described by Starjun as an ingredient that is most compatible with his gourmet cells, the only one so far in this story that can eat spirits is NEO, it is safe to assume Starjun is unlikely to be able to do the same, therefore it is likely to be physical in nature for it to be consumable to him. 5. Starjun labeled gourmet luck as a forgotten flavor, meaning he must have tasted it before, and since he needs Toriko's cells in order to render it edible (kind of like how Another can make inedible things edible when eaten by awakening gourmet demon's tongue) it must happen before he was separated from Toriko, which place the time frame very close to their birth, now whose gourmet luck did they taste back then? Their mother, who must have been a great chef back then... Froese herself maybe?]]

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[[spoiler: Gourmet Luck is one of the most mysterious entity in the Toriko world, only very limited individuals in this world has it, and it has no bearing on how much physical power one has (Starjun admitted that despite being both a chef and very powerful, he doesn't have it, not to mention most other gourmet hunters such as the four king themselves, even the nitros have no access to it and having to resort to capturing people from the human world who does), most prominently it resides in the world's foremost chef, at the very top of which is Froese and Komatsu (Zonge is the hidden one). It has certain identifiable properties: first, properties:
1.
it has nothing to do with gourmet cells as far as we know, many chef have no gourmet cells infused in them at all; second, all;
2.
it bestows knowledge on a instinct level on where to find ingredients, and insights on how to cook them, no matter how rare; third, rare;
3.
it bestows unnatural physics bending level of luck to its owner (Komatsu should by all means and purposes be space dust by now given all the crap he had gone through without being a fraction of the power of the others, ditto for Zonge), at extreme level prevents direct hostile action from powerful individuals from harming them; fourth, them;
4.
it somehow can be copied, Midora explicitly stated that he copied it from Joie when he broke out of the golden can; can;
fifth, it can be taken if the user was body jacked by gourmet spirit; sixth, it is also an ingredient, at least when eaten in conjunction with part of Toriko himself. himself.
Conclusion: Gourmet Luck is a different kind of gourmet cell that is maybe from somewhere outside of this galaxy/universe that is able to recall memories outside the known world and able to use a different kind of appetite energy to affect physics around them, proof: proof:
1. Gourmet Cells have different kinds/colors to them mentioned by multiple people throughout the manga, NEO itself is suppose to be a new discovery according to Pair, thus the name "NEO" (as in new), who is to say Gourmet Luck is not another kind of alien cell especially considering that Nitros themselves seems to lack this particular attribute despite being made entirely of pure gourmet cells(explaining their inefficient way to cook ingredients, they lack the insight bestow by Gourmet Luck, thus need to improvise their own cooking method) method)
2. Regardless of how mysterious its effects are, it seems to be purely physical in nature at least at its core, evident by how it remains with Froese's body despite her spirit is long gone, and that Joie who hijacked the body is able to utilize it to its full extent with no rejection, it stands to reason that it resides in the body and body alone regardless of the spirit.
3. it can be copied by Midora's chameleon cells which I assume cannot copy spirit.
4. it is described by Starjun as an ingredient that is most compatible with his gourmet cells, the only one so far in this story that can eat spirits is NEO, it is safe to assume Starjun is unlikely to be able to do the same, therefore it is likely to be physical in nature for it to be consumable to him.
5. Starjun labeled gourmet luck as a forgotten flavor, meaning he must have tasted it before, and since he needs Toriko's cells in order to render it edible (kind of like how Another can make inedible things edible when eaten by awakening gourmet demon's tongue) it must happen before he was separated from Toriko, which place the time frame very close to their birth, now whose gourmet luck did they taste back then? Their mother, who must have been a great chef back then... Froese herself maybe?]]
21st Aug '16 1:53:47 AM zonezeroh
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[[spoiler: This is the only thing left that makes sense, think about it, the way Starjun speaks regarding to their parents alluded to them being incredibly powerful individuals that false "Froese" would know by name, only a hand full of people would fall within such a limited category: Acacia and his combo Froese, and their three sons Ichiryu, Jirou, and Midora. Out of them all, Ichiryu has no combo partner, Jirou has a different family, and I can't imagine Midora is capable of love after Froese's "death", and so by simple process of elimination, the only possible pair left is Acacia and Froese. Thinking back, that makes the perfect sense, there are a lot of evidence pointing to Acacia being genuinely good back when Froese was alive (I do have a theory on why he has seemingly changed), some speculated that what happened to Froese's grave was that her corpse was revived and possessed by Joie, but there is a different possibility, it maybe the moment the twins Starjun and Toriko were born into the world. I have evidence on this possibility as well, in Starjun's memory Toriko somehow shared himself with Starjun as in feeding part of himself to Starjun, why would unborn babies need to do this to survive in the first place? My answer is that because their mother is already dead, and therefore no more nutrient was being transferred to the twins, making them necessary for them to consume each other to survive (just like Acacia and Pair). Also, before Acacia's "death" he talked to Ichiryu about something, and it is clear by Ichiryu's reaction that they were on friendly terms back then, looking at Ichiryu's preparations and actions for the last few hundred years, the knowledge he displayed regarding the "true enemy" compare to his brothers, it stands to reason that everything was planed by both of them in acknowledgement of this "true enemy" from the very start, part of the plan may have been raising a pair of ace in the hold in order to fight this "enemy" when the time comes.]]

[[WMG: Acacia [[spoiler: that we see right now is acting to fool the "true enemy"]]]]
[[spoiler: Seemingly character derailment aside there are telltale signs of something hidden beneath the current narrative: 1. Acacia knows Joie and have some sort of pact with him that goes over even NEO, making NEO docile enough for Acacia to consume it without resistance, there is no way for Acacia ,a mortal man who is at most able to condense a planet's worth of energy, to consume NEO, a eldritch cosmic being which consumed numerous worlds in its billions of years of multiple lifetime, without so much as a fight without its full cooperation. It comes to reason that Acacia must have knowledge of the universe equal to or even over that of the nitros, and connections with beings like Joie, a undying gourmet being who knows how ancient in existence, but how is that even possible without any common ground between them all? 2. Acacia's forehead wound is not connected to NEO, when NEO jump away from Acacia's body, Acacia still has the same scar on his forehead, not to mention the fact that nothing in the world is seemingly able to wound NEO at all since it just regenerate from any and all wounds. So the question is whose wound it was? Up until now the only one with more than one demon inside them is Toriko, but who is to say that Acacia don't have another inside of him as well? 3. Acacia although seemingly evil still does multiple seemingly counter productive actions to his plan, for example not effectively removing threats and only attack when opposed directly and even then refuse to eliminate them in a efficient way, like killing Jirou's physical body instead of eating him, wounding Toriko instead of killing/eating him outright, ignoring the support cast (Chichi, Starjun) completely with some of them quite likely will f'ed up his plan somewhere down the way, knocking Pair instead of killing/eating him, talking way too much revealing his plan and acting way too card carryingly evil, using a inefficient technique that takes way to long and way too spread out to eat the earth instead of a quick and concentrated attack to quickly put most of the Toriko world out of business (an action so baffling that even Midora comments on). And finally the way he cuts off Starjun's exposition about he and Toriko's parentage, it is so perfectly abrupt that it sounds intentional more than anything else, likely to stop Joie from hearing the truth. In conclusion of all the evidence above, it may have been simply been the effect of a sticky villain ball, but it also becomes quite likely that Acacia is playing double agent to the "true enemy" this whole time acting accordingly in front of Joie who is likely an agent of the "true enemy", and that he knows from the very start that the blue nitro's plan wouldn't work, I mean if Midora is able to break out of a golden can, there is no way in hell it could contain something like the fully resurrected NEO (remember that the NEO we see right now is still incomplete), there must be another way, most likely out there in the universe, namely Acacia's True Full Course which is connected with the gourmet paradise that Joie is searching for. As for the identity of "true enemy", what we see right now of NEO is a primal beast of little concerns other than eating anything around it, while it is certainly terrifying it contrasts with the idea of gourmet evolution, there are two types of true powers in the Toriko universe, appetite energy - raw spiritual energy that exist in everything that is alive, and techniques - mental capability to utilize appetite energy to the maximum level, such as Food Honor, Food Pressure, Food Immersion, Ultimate Routine, Enbu, and Food Luck. As a being climbs the evolutionary ladder, it grows in both raw appetite energy and technique, getting more powerful and smarter in the process, NEO however seems to be less and less concern about anything other than raw power, from a trickster who uses cunning to grow from a nobody to a cosmic horror, to a mindless eating primate looking thing who doesn't even talk anymore. What I propose is that the "true enemy" is NEO's head/brain, and that it has not yet been revived, and thus still trapped in the spirit world right now, and that Acacia's True Full Couse could either revive gourmet demons completely in the body of their host taking them over and thus explain why Joie and the "true enemy" are so interested in it, or making the host the true master of their appetite thus giving Acacia the chance to over come his curse at last.]]

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[[spoiler: This is the only thing left that makes sense, think about it, the way Starjun speaks regarding to their parents alluded to them being incredibly powerful individuals that false "Froese" Joie would know by name, leaving only a hand full of people would fall within such a limited category: Acacia and his combo Froese, and their three sons Ichiryu, Jirou, and Midora. Out of them all, Ichiryu has no combo partner, partner that we know of, Jirou has a different family, and I personally can't imagine Midora is being capable of love after Froese's "death", and so by a simple process of elimination, the only possible pair left is Acacia and Froese. Thinking back, back that makes the perfect sense, there are a lot of evidence pointing to Acacia being genuinely good back when Froese was alive (I do have a theory on why he has seemingly changed), some speculated and there are speculations that what happened to Froese's grave was that due to her corpse was being revived and subsequently possessed by Joie, but there is a different another possibility, it maybe may have been the very moment the twins Starjun and Toriko were born into the world. I have evidence on in support of this possibility as well, in Starjun's memory Toriko somehow shared himself with Starjun as (as in feeding part of himself to Starjun, Starjun) when they were still in their mother's womb, why would unborn babies need to do this to survive in the first place? My answer is that because their mother is already dead, and therefore no more nutrient was being transferred to no longer supporting the unborn twins, making them it necessary for them to consume each other in order to survive (just like what happened between Acacia and Pair). Also, before Acacia's "death" he talked to Ichiryu about something, with a solemn look on his face, and it is clear by Ichiryu's reaction that they were on friendly terms back then, looking at Ichiryu's preparations and actions for the last few hundred years, centuries, the knowledge he displayed regarding the "true enemy" compare to his brothers, brothers (both Jirou and Midora have no idea of Neo's existence before they reveal themselves to the world during the Festival arc) , it stands to reason that everything was planed by both of them in acknowledgement of this "true enemy" from the very start, part of the plan may have been raising a pair of ace in the hold in order to fight this "enemy" when the time comes.]]

[[WMG: Acacia [[spoiler: that we see right now is acting an act to fool the "true enemy"]]]]
[[spoiler: Seemingly character derailment aside there are telltale signs of something hidden beneath the current narrative: 1. Acacia knows Joie and have some sort of pact with him that goes over even NEO, making NEO docile enough for Acacia to consume it without resistance, there is no way for Acacia ,a mortal man who is at most able to condense a planet's worth of energy, energy into his body, to consume NEO, a eldritch cosmic being which consumed numerous worlds in its billions of years of multiple lifetime, without so much as a fight without its full cooperation. It comes to reason that Acacia must have knowledge of the universe equal to or even over that of the nitros, and connections with beings like Joie, a undying gourmet being who knows how ancient in existence, but how is that even possible without any common ground between them all? 2. Acacia's forehead wound is not connected to NEO, when NEO jump away from Acacia's body, Acacia still has the same scar on his forehead, not to mention the fact that nothing in the world right now is seemingly able to wound NEO at all since it just regenerate from any and all wounds. So the question is whose wound it was? Up until now the only one with more than one demon inside them is Toriko, but who is to say that Acacia don't have another inside of him as well? 3. Acacia although seemingly evil still does multiple seemingly counter productive actions to his plan, for example he will not effectively removing actively remove threats and only attack when opposed directly and even then refuse to eliminate them in a efficient way, like such as killing Jirou's physical body (letting his spirit free to reincarnate) instead of eating him, wounding Toriko instead of killing/eating him outright, ignoring the support cast (Chichi, Starjun) completely with some of them quite likely will f'ed up his plan somewhere down the way, knocking Pair instead of killing/eating him, talking way too much unnecessarily revealing his plan and acting way too card carryingly evil, using a inefficient technique that takes way to too long and way too spread out to try eat the earth instead of a quick and concentrated attack to quickly put most of the Toriko world out of business (an action so baffling that even Midora comments on). And finally the way he cuts off Starjun's exposition about he and Toriko's parentage, it is so perfectly abrupt that it sounds intentional more than anything else, likely to stop Joie from hearing the truth. In conclusion of all the evidence above, it may have been simply been the effect of a sticky villain ball, but it also becomes quite a lot more likely that Acacia is playing double agent to the "true enemy" this whole time acting accordingly in front of Joie who is likely an agent of the "true enemy", and that he knows from the very start that the blue nitro's plan wouldn't work, I mean if Midora is able to break out of a golden can, can with little difficulty, there is no way in hell it could contain something like the fully resurrected NEO (remember that the NEO we see right now is still incomplete), there must be another way, most likely connected to something out there in space (think, why would Joie need to make an Ark in the universe, first place), namely Acacia's True Full Course which is maybe connected with to the gourmet paradise that Joie is searching for. As for the identity of "true enemy", what we see right now of NEO is a primal beast of little concerns other than eating anything around it, while it is certainly terrifying it contrasts with the idea of gourmet evolution, there are two types of true powers in the Toriko universe, appetite energy - raw spiritual energy that exist in everything that is alive, and techniques - mental capability to utilize appetite energy to the maximum level, such as Knocking, Food Honor, Food Pressure, Food Immersion, Ultimate Routine, Enbu, and Food Luck. As It seems that as a being slowly climbs the evolutionary ladder, it grows in both raw appetite energy and technique, getting more powerful and smarter in the process, NEO however seems to be less and less concern about anything other than raw power, from a trickster who uses cunning to grow from a nobody to a cosmic horror, to a mindless mindlessly eating primate looking thing who doesn't even talk anymore. What I propose is that the "true enemy" is NEO's head/brain, head/brain (head wound on Acacia's forehead), and that it has not yet been revived, revived physically, and thus still trapped in the spirit world right now, and that Acacia's True Full Couse could either revive gourmet demons completely in the body of their host taking them over and thus explain why Joie and the "true enemy" are so interested in it, or making the host the true master of their appetite thus giving Acacia the chance to over come his curse at last.]]last. Oh and the one who was strong enough to give NEO head its scar? Toriko's third demon is the prime suspect as of now.]]

[[WMG: The Truth behind Gourmet Luck]]
[[spoiler: Gourmet Luck is one of the most mysterious entity in the Toriko world, only very limited individuals in this world has it, and it has no bearing on how much physical power one has (Starjun admitted that despite being both a chef and very powerful, he doesn't have it, not to mention most other gourmet hunters such as the four king themselves, even the nitros have no access to it and having to resort to capturing people from the human world who does), most prominently it resides in the world's foremost chef, at the very top of which is Froese and Komatsu (Zonge is the hidden one). It has certain identifiable properties: first, it has nothing to do with gourmet cells as far as we know, many chef have no gourmet cells infused in them at all; second, it bestows knowledge on a instinct level on where to find ingredients, and insights on how to cook them, no matter how rare; third, it bestows unnatural physics bending level of luck to its owner (Komatsu should by all means and purposes be space dust by now given all the crap he had gone through without being a fraction of the power of the others, ditto for Zonge), at extreme level prevents direct hostile action from powerful individuals from harming them; fourth, it somehow can be copied, Midora explicitly stated that he copied it from Joie when he broke out of the golden can; fifth, it can be taken if the user was body jacked by gourmet spirit; sixth, it is also an ingredient, at least when eaten in conjunction with part of Toriko himself. Conclusion: Gourmet Luck is a different kind of gourmet cell that is maybe from somewhere outside of this galaxy/universe that is able to recall memories outside the known world and able to use a different kind of appetite energy to affect physics around them, proof: 1. Gourmet Cells have different kinds/colors to them mentioned by multiple people throughout the manga, NEO itself is suppose to be a new discovery according to Pair, thus the name "NEO" (as in new), who is to say Gourmet Luck is not another kind of alien cell especially considering that Nitros themselves seems to lack this particular attribute despite being made entirely of pure gourmet cells(explaining their inefficient way to cook ingredients, they lack the insight bestow by Gourmet Luck, thus need to improvise their own cooking method) 2. Regardless of how mysterious its effects are, it seems to be purely physical in nature at least at its core, evident by how it remains with Froese's body despite her spirit is long gone, and that Joie who hijacked the body is able to utilize it to its full extent with no rejection, it stands to reason that it resides in the body and body alone regardless of the spirit. 3. it can be copied by Midora's chameleon cells which I assume cannot copy spirit. 4. it is described by Starjun as an ingredient that is most compatible with his gourmet cells, the only one so far in this story that can eat spirits is NEO, it is safe to assume Starjun is unlikely to be able to do the same, therefore it is likely to be physical in nature for it to be consumable to him. 5. Starjun labeled gourmet luck as a forgotten flavor, meaning he must have tasted it before, and since he needs Toriko's cells in order to render it edible (kind of like how Another can make inedible things edible when eaten by awakening gourmet demon's tongue) it must happen before he was separated from Toriko, which place the time frame very close to their birth, now whose gourmet luck did they taste back then? Their mother, who must have been a great chef back then... Froese herself maybe?]]
19th Aug '16 11:11:42 PM zonezeroh
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[[WMG: Acacia [[spoiler: that we see right now is either fake or is acting to fool the "true enemy"]]]]

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19th Aug '16 11:11:00 PM zonezeroh
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[[WMG: Starjun and Toriko are the sons of [[spoiler: Acacia and Froese]]

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19th Aug '16 11:10:11 PM zonezeroh
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[[WMG: Toriko will pick Nitro as his Meat Dish]]

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[[WMG: Starjun and Toriko are the sons of [[spoiler: Acacia and Froese]]
[[spoiler: This is the only thing left that makes sense, think about it, the way Starjun speaks regarding to their parents alluded to them being incredibly powerful individuals that false "Froese" would know by name, only a hand full of people would fall within such a limited category: Acacia and his combo Froese, and their three sons Ichiryu, Jirou, and Midora. Out of them all, Ichiryu has no combo partner, Jirou has a different family, and I can't imagine Midora is capable of love after Froese's "death", and so by simple process of elimination, the only possible pair left is Acacia and Froese. Thinking back, that makes the perfect sense, there are a lot of evidence pointing to Acacia being genuinely good back when Froese was alive (I do have a theory on why he has seemingly changed), some speculated that what happened to Froese's grave was that her corpse was revived and possessed by Joie, but there is a different possibility, it maybe the moment the twins Starjun and Toriko were born into the world. I have evidence on this possibility as well, in Starjun's memory Toriko somehow shared himself with Starjun as in feeding part of himself to Starjun, why would unborn babies need to do this to survive in the first place? My answer is that because their mother is already dead, and therefore no more nutrient was being transferred to the twins, making them necessary for them to consume each other to survive (just like Acacia and Pair). Also, before Acacia's "death" he talked to Ichiryu about something, and it is clear by Ichiryu's reaction that they were on friendly terms back then, looking at Ichiryu's preparations and actions for the last few hundred years, the knowledge he displayed regarding the "true enemy" compare to his brothers, it stands to reason that everything was planed by both of them in acknowledgement of this "true enemy" from the very start, part of the plan may have been raising a pair of ace in the hold in order to fight this "enemy" when the time comes.]]

[[WMG: Acacia [[spoiler: that we see right now is either fake or is acting to fool the "true enemy"]]]]
[[spoiler: Seemingly character derailment aside there are telltale signs of something hidden beneath the current narrative: 1. Acacia knows Joie and have some sort of pact with him that goes over even NEO, making NEO docile enough for Acacia to consume it without resistance, there is no way for Acacia ,a mortal man who is at most able to condense a planet's worth of energy, to consume NEO, a eldritch cosmic being which consumed numerous worlds in its billions of years of multiple lifetime, without so much as a fight without its full cooperation. It comes to reason that Acacia must have knowledge of the universe equal to or even over that of the nitros, and connections with beings like Joie, a undying gourmet being who knows how ancient in existence, but how is that even possible without any common ground between them all? 2. Acacia's forehead wound is not connected to NEO, when NEO jump away from Acacia's body, Acacia still has the same scar on his forehead, not to mention the fact that nothing in the world is seemingly able to wound NEO at all since it just regenerate from any and all wounds. So the question is whose wound it was? Up until now the only one with more than one demon inside them is Toriko, but who is to say that Acacia don't have another inside of him as well? 3. Acacia although seemingly evil still does multiple seemingly counter productive actions to his plan, for example not effectively removing threats and only attack when opposed directly and even then refuse to eliminate them in a efficient way, like killing Jirou's physical body instead of eating him, wounding Toriko instead of killing/eating him outright, ignoring the support cast (Chichi, Starjun) completely with some of them quite likely will f'ed up his plan somewhere down the way, knocking Pair instead of killing/eating him, talking way too much revealing his plan and acting way too card carryingly evil, using a inefficient technique that takes way to long and way too spread out to eat the earth instead of a quick and concentrated attack to quickly put most of the Toriko world out of business (an action so baffling that even Midora comments on). And finally the way he cuts off Starjun's exposition about he and Toriko's parentage, it is so perfectly abrupt that it sounds intentional more than anything else, likely to stop Joie from hearing the truth. In conclusion of all the evidence above, it may have been simply been the effect of a sticky villain ball, but it also becomes quite likely that Acacia is playing double agent to the "true enemy" this whole time acting accordingly in front of Joie who is likely an agent of the "true enemy", and that he knows from the very start that the blue nitro's plan wouldn't work, I mean if Midora is able to break out of a golden can, there is no way in hell it could contain something like the fully resurrected NEO (remember that the NEO we see right now is still incomplete), there must be another way, most likely out there in the universe, namely Acacia's True Full Course which is connected with the gourmet paradise that Joie is searching for. As for the identity of "true enemy", what we see right now of NEO is a primal beast of little concerns other than eating anything around it, while it is certainly terrifying it contrasts with the idea of gourmet evolution, there are two types of true powers in the Toriko universe, appetite energy - raw spiritual energy that exist in everything that is alive, and techniques - mental capability to utilize appetite energy to the maximum level, such as Food Honor, Food Pressure, Food Immersion, Ultimate Routine, Enbu, and Food Luck. As a being climbs the evolutionary ladder, it grows in both raw appetite energy and technique, getting more powerful and smarter in the process, NEO however seems to be less and less concern about anything other than raw power, from a trickster who uses cunning to grow from a nobody to a cosmic horror, to a mindless eating primate looking thing who doesn't even talk anymore. What I propose is that the "true enemy" is NEO's head/brain, and that it has not yet been revived, and thus still trapped in the spirit world right now, and that Acacia's True Full Couse could either revive gourmet demons completely in the body of their host taking them over and thus explain why Joie and the "true enemy" are so interested in it, or making the host the true master of their appetite thus giving Acacia the chance to over come his curse at last.]]
17th Jun '16 4:23:54 PM zonezeroh
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[[spoiler:In the current story line, Acacia and Neo is seemingly acting in turn rather than as one single being. It seems very clear when one is in control simply by looking at the whose face was shown, who was speaking at the moment, and how they were individually addressed by name by the blue nitro. I look back at the time when they kill and ate Air, it was Acacia's face doing the eating, and then he seemingly warning the blue nitro that if it is not constantly feed it will lose control and eat them as well which was almost immediately proven when Neo's pieces shoot out from its body clearly without Acacia's input. The fight with Don Slime is entirely done by Neo, shown by having Neo head eating Don Slime, Acacia is nowhere to be found yet as soon as Pair comes into the scene Acacia surfaced once more. The fight with Jirou was entirely Acacia, note the technical fighting style, and not eating the opponent after the fight. My theory is that Acacia is currently having priority control of the body, and can control it at will as long as he keep Neo sated, but keep in mind that this is most likely temporary and taxing explaining why Acacia is not in control all the time. Of course Neo is currently incomplete, so maybe Acacia will no longer be capable of control as it fully awakens by the Full Course, whatever it maybe this is likely Acacia's last stand.]]

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[[spoiler:In the current story line, Acacia and Neo is seemingly acting in turn rather than as one single being. It seems very clear when one is in control simply by looking at the whose face was shown, who was speaking at the moment, and how they were individually addressed by name by the blue nitro. I look back at the time when they kill and ate Air, it was Acacia's face doing the eating, and then he seemingly warning the blue nitro that if it is not constantly feed it will lose control and eat them as well which was almost immediately proven when Neo's pieces shoot out from its body clearly without Acacia's input. The fight with Don Slime is entirely done by Neo, shown by having Neo head eating Don Slime, Acacia is nowhere to be found yet as soon as Pair comes into the scene Acacia surfaced once more. The fight with Jirou was entirely Acacia, note the technical fighting style, and not eating the opponent after the fight. My theory is that Acacia is currently having priority control of the body, and can control it at will as long as he keep Neo sated, but keep in mind that this is most likely temporary and taxing explaining why Acacia is not in control all the time. Of course Neo is currently incomplete, so maybe Acacia will no longer be capable of control as it fully awakens by the Full Course, whatever it maybe this is likely Acacia's last stand.As of the newest chapters however, Acacia seems to be completely corrupted by Neo's influence, although they still speak to each other a telling sign that their still separate beings, it seems they goal is now aligned, therefore the good Acacia maybe no more at this point in time leaving only his appetite behind as an ally/puppet of Neo.]]
7th May '16 10:17:16 AM M84
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[[spoiler:In the current story line, Acacia and Neo is seemingly acting in turn rather than as one single being. It seems very clear when one is in control simply by looking at the whose face was shown, who was speaking at the moment, and how they were individually addressed by name by the blue nitro. I look back at the time when they kill and ate Air, it was Acacia's face doing the eating, and then he seemingly warning the blue nitro that if it is not constantly feed it will lose control and eat them as well which was almost immediately proven when Neo's pieces shoot out from its body clearly without Acacia's input. The fight with Don Slime is entirely done by Neo, shown by having Neo head eating Don Slime, Acacia is nowhere to be found yet as soon as Pair comes into the scene Acacia surfaced once more. The fight with Jirou was entirely Acacia, note the technical fighting style, and not eating the opponent after the fight. My theory is that Acacia is currently having priority control of the body, and can control it at will as long as he keep Neo sated, but keep in mind that this is most likely temporary and taxing explaining why Acacia is not in control all the time. Of course Neo is currently incomplete, so maybe Acacia will no longer be capable of control as it fully awakens by the Full Course, whatever it maybe this is likely Acacia's last stand.]]

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[[spoiler:In the current story line, Acacia and Neo is seemingly acting in turn rather than as one single being. It seems very clear when one is in control simply by looking at the whose face was shown, who was speaking at the moment, and how they were individually addressed by name by the blue nitro. I look back at the time when they kill and ate Air, it was Acacia's face doing the eating, and then he seemingly warning the blue nitro that if it is not constantly feed it will lose control and eat them as well which was almost immediately proven when Neo's pieces shoot out from its body clearly without Acacia's input. The fight with Don Slime is entirely done by Neo, shown by having Neo head eating Don Slime, Acacia is nowhere to be found yet as soon as Pair comes into the scene Acacia surfaced once more. The fight with Jirou was entirely Acacia, note the technical fighting style, and not eating the opponent after the fight. My theory is that Acacia is currently having priority control of the body, and can control it at will as long as he keep Neo sated, but keep in mind that this is most likely temporary and taxing explaining why Acacia is not in control all the time. Of course Neo is currently incomplete, so maybe Acacia will no longer be capable of control as it fully awakens by the Full Course, whatever it maybe this is likely Acacia's last stand.]]]]

[[WMG: Toriko will pick Nitro as his Meat Dish]]
18th Apr '16 5:32:09 AM zonezeroh
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