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17th Jun '16 4:23:54 PM zonezeroh
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[[spoiler:In the current story line, Acacia and Neo is seemingly acting in turn rather than as one single being. It seems very clear when one is in control simply by looking at the whose face was shown, who was speaking at the moment, and how they were individually addressed by name by the blue nitro. I look back at the time when they kill and ate Air, it was Acacia's face doing the eating, and then he seemingly warning the blue nitro that if it is not constantly feed it will lose control and eat them as well which was almost immediately proven when Neo's pieces shoot out from its body clearly without Acacia's input. The fight with Don Slime is entirely done by Neo, shown by having Neo head eating Don Slime, Acacia is nowhere to be found yet as soon as Pair comes into the scene Acacia surfaced once more. The fight with Jirou was entirely Acacia, note the technical fighting style, and not eating the opponent after the fight. My theory is that Acacia is currently having priority control of the body, and can control it at will as long as he keep Neo sated, but keep in mind that this is most likely temporary and taxing explaining why Acacia is not in control all the time. Of course Neo is currently incomplete, so maybe Acacia will no longer be capable of control as it fully awakens by the Full Course, whatever it maybe this is likely Acacia's last stand.]]

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[[spoiler:In the current story line, Acacia and Neo is seemingly acting in turn rather than as one single being. It seems very clear when one is in control simply by looking at the whose face was shown, who was speaking at the moment, and how they were individually addressed by name by the blue nitro. I look back at the time when they kill and ate Air, it was Acacia's face doing the eating, and then he seemingly warning the blue nitro that if it is not constantly feed it will lose control and eat them as well which was almost immediately proven when Neo's pieces shoot out from its body clearly without Acacia's input. The fight with Don Slime is entirely done by Neo, shown by having Neo head eating Don Slime, Acacia is nowhere to be found yet as soon as Pair comes into the scene Acacia surfaced once more. The fight with Jirou was entirely Acacia, note the technical fighting style, and not eating the opponent after the fight. My theory is that Acacia is currently having priority control of the body, and can control it at will as long as he keep Neo sated, but keep in mind that this is most likely temporary and taxing explaining why Acacia is not in control all the time. Of course Neo is currently incomplete, so maybe Acacia will no longer be capable of control as it fully awakens by the Full Course, whatever it maybe this is likely Acacia's last stand.As of the newest chapters however, Acacia seems to be completely corrupted by Neo's influence, although they still speak to each other a telling sign that their still separate beings, it seems they goal is now aligned, therefore the good Acacia maybe no more at this point in time leaving only his appetite behind as an ally/puppet of Neo.]]
7th May '16 10:17:16 AM M84
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[[spoiler:In the current story line, Acacia and Neo is seemingly acting in turn rather than as one single being. It seems very clear when one is in control simply by looking at the whose face was shown, who was speaking at the moment, and how they were individually addressed by name by the blue nitro. I look back at the time when they kill and ate Air, it was Acacia's face doing the eating, and then he seemingly warning the blue nitro that if it is not constantly feed it will lose control and eat them as well which was almost immediately proven when Neo's pieces shoot out from its body clearly without Acacia's input. The fight with Don Slime is entirely done by Neo, shown by having Neo head eating Don Slime, Acacia is nowhere to be found yet as soon as Pair comes into the scene Acacia surfaced once more. The fight with Jirou was entirely Acacia, note the technical fighting style, and not eating the opponent after the fight. My theory is that Acacia is currently having priority control of the body, and can control it at will as long as he keep Neo sated, but keep in mind that this is most likely temporary and taxing explaining why Acacia is not in control all the time. Of course Neo is currently incomplete, so maybe Acacia will no longer be capable of control as it fully awakens by the Full Course, whatever it maybe this is likely Acacia's last stand.]]

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[[spoiler:In the current story line, Acacia and Neo is seemingly acting in turn rather than as one single being. It seems very clear when one is in control simply by looking at the whose face was shown, who was speaking at the moment, and how they were individually addressed by name by the blue nitro. I look back at the time when they kill and ate Air, it was Acacia's face doing the eating, and then he seemingly warning the blue nitro that if it is not constantly feed it will lose control and eat them as well which was almost immediately proven when Neo's pieces shoot out from its body clearly without Acacia's input. The fight with Don Slime is entirely done by Neo, shown by having Neo head eating Don Slime, Acacia is nowhere to be found yet as soon as Pair comes into the scene Acacia surfaced once more. The fight with Jirou was entirely Acacia, note the technical fighting style, and not eating the opponent after the fight. My theory is that Acacia is currently having priority control of the body, and can control it at will as long as he keep Neo sated, but keep in mind that this is most likely temporary and taxing explaining why Acacia is not in control all the time. Of course Neo is currently incomplete, so maybe Acacia will no longer be capable of control as it fully awakens by the Full Course, whatever it maybe this is likely Acacia's last stand.]]]]

[[WMG: Toriko will pick Nitro as his Meat Dish]]
18th Apr '16 5:32:09 AM zonezeroh
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18th Apr '16 5:31:10 AM zonezeroh
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Neo's appetite is completely irrational if it is purely a [[spoiler:physical or even energy]] existence, for even a black hole can't swallow a [[spoiler:supernova]] instantly without disrupting the planet it's on, but if half of its existence is [[spoiler:metaphysical]] then almost all of its power can be explained: It could consume enormous amount of energy and material in an instant, it could actually be sated by [[spoiler:metaphysical concepts like fear]], its mass changes freely and seemingly able to regenerate better than majin Buu, an ability that is actually quite rare in this manga([[spoiler:Ichiryu got defeated when his body was poke full of holes by hungry space, Jirou needs healing water to regenerate his missing hand, and use of Life to survive decapitation, most of the powerful beings in this setting only uses techniques such as Enbu ,damage knocking to transfer/cull/freeze damage or reviving items like heal water to regenerate, or just being hardy enough to tank world scaring attacks]]), anything it consumes cannot be revived. [[spoiler:This theory also explained what Ichiryu found in the depth of the spirit world, that mass of organic looking thing could be Neo's other half, with the material, energy and spirit of every being it consumed in its life time trapt inside. Of course all demon in the Toriko world has both physical and metaphysical aspects, but Neo seems to be the only one that could not only exist in both at the same time but still connected to each other.]]

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Neo's appetite is completely irrational if it is purely a [[spoiler:physical or even energy]] existence, for even a black hole can't swallow a [[spoiler:supernova]] instantly without disrupting the planet it's on, but if half of its existence is [[spoiler:metaphysical]] then almost all of its power can be explained: It could consume enormous amount of energy and material in an instant, it could actually be sated by [[spoiler:metaphysical concepts like fear]], its mass changes freely and seemingly able to regenerate better than majin Buu, an ability that is actually quite rare in this manga([[spoiler:Ichiryu got defeated when his body was poke full of holes by hungry space, Jirou needs healing water to regenerate his missing hand, and use of Life to survive decapitation, most of the powerful beings in this setting only uses techniques such as Enbu ,damage knocking to transfer/cull/freeze damage or reviving items like heal water to regenerate, or just being hardy enough to tank world scaring attacks]]), and the fact that anything it consumes cannot [[spoiler:cannot be revived. revived.]] [[spoiler:This theory also explained what Ichiryu found in the depth of the spirit world, that mass of organic looking thing could be Neo's other half, with the material, energy and spirit of every being it consumed in its life time trapt inside. inside yet accessible to Neo at all times, giving it massive energy and material reserve not to mention storage space for much more. Of course all demon in the Toriko world has both physical and metaphysical aspects, but Neo seems to be the only one currently that could not only exist in both at the same time but still connected to each other.]]
18th Apr '16 5:24:38 AM zonezeroh
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[[WMG: Neo exist in both the physical and metaphysical plains]]
Neo's appetite is completely irrational if it is purely a physical existence, for even a black hole can't swallow a supernova instantly without disrupting the planet it's on, but if half of its existence is metaphysical then almost all of its power can be explained: It could consume enormous amount of energy and material in a short time, it could actually be sated by metaphysical concepts like fear, its mass changes freely and seemingly able to regenerate better than majin Buu, an ability that is actually quite rare in this manga([[spoiler:Ichiryu got defeated when his body was poke full of holes by hungry space, Jirou needs healing water to regenerate his missing hand, and use of Life to survive decapitation]]), anything it consumes cannot be revived. [[spoiler:This theory also explained what Ichiryu found in the depth of the spirit world, that mass of organic looking thing could be Neo's other half, with the material, energy and spirit of every being it consumed in its life time trapt inside. Of course all demon in the Toriko world has both physical and metaphysical aspects, but Neo seems to be the only one that could not only exist in both at the same time but still connected to each other.]]

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[[WMG: Neo exist in both [[spoiler:both the physical and metaphysical plains]]
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Neo's appetite is completely irrational if it is purely a physical [[spoiler:physical or even energy]] existence, for even a black hole can't swallow a supernova [[spoiler:supernova]] instantly without disrupting the planet it's on, but if half of its existence is metaphysical [[spoiler:metaphysical]] then almost all of its power can be explained: It could consume enormous amount of energy and material in a short time, an instant, it could actually be sated by metaphysical [[spoiler:metaphysical concepts like fear, fear]], its mass changes freely and seemingly able to regenerate better than majin Buu, an ability that is actually quite rare in this manga([[spoiler:Ichiryu got defeated when his body was poke full of holes by hungry space, Jirou needs healing water to regenerate his missing hand, and use of Life to survive decapitation]]), decapitation, most of the powerful beings in this setting only uses techniques such as Enbu ,damage knocking to transfer/cull/freeze damage or reviving items like heal water to regenerate, or just being hardy enough to tank world scaring attacks]]), anything it consumes cannot be revived. [[spoiler:This theory also explained what Ichiryu found in the depth of the spirit world, that mass of organic looking thing could be Neo's other half, with the material, energy and spirit of every being it consumed in its life time trapt inside. Of course all demon in the Toriko world has both physical and metaphysical aspects, but Neo seems to be the only one that could not only exist in both at the same time but still connected to each other.]]
18th Apr '16 5:12:09 AM zonezeroh
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[[WMG: Acacia is a [[spoiler:well intentioned extremist]] all along]]

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[[WMG: Neo [[spoiler:exist in both the physical and metaphysical plains]]]]

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18th Apr '16 5:10:17 AM zonezeroh
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18th Apr '16 5:09:12 AM zonezeroh
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[[WMG: Acacia is a well intentioned extremist all along]]

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[[WMG: Acacia is a well [[spoiler:well intentioned extremist extremist]] all along]]



[[WMG: Neo exist in both the physical and metaphysical plains]]

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[[WMG: Acacia and Neo are [[spoiler:separate beings in the current story line]]]]

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[[WMG: Acacia and Neo are [[spoiler:separate [[spoiler:are separate beings in the current story line]]]]
18th Apr '16 5:07:54 AM zonezeroh
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[[WMG: [[spoiler:Acacia]] is a well intentioned extremist all along]]

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[[WMG: Neo exist both in the physical and metaphysical plains]]

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[[WMG: [[spoiler:Acacia and Neo]] are separate beings in the current story line]]

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18th Apr '16 5:05:29 AM zonezeroh
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[[WMG: Acacia is a well intentioned extremist all along]]
While his present mental state is unclear at best, he certainly did create NEO(the organization, not the demon) and cooperating with the blue nitro for some reason, so he couldn't have been a spotless saint all that much. However when I examine his actions so far, I am quite convinced that his goal is noble in nature, for example: His alliance with the blue nitro and personal connection with Pair suggest that they have similar goals, namely the sealing of Neo, the fact that even in such an unstable state Pair is still willing to trust him to not deviate from this goal kind of paint him as a trust worthy individual, much different from the heartless backstabbing monster of a man his confrontation with Jirou seems to show. Further more his fight with Jirou can also be seen from a different light: Jirou is neither skilled enough nor powerful enough to stop Neo, Acacia clearly shown that in the fight, but most importantly he shows Jirou was certainly not mentally ready to fight Neo - Jirou was simply too nice, from the fact that his knocking only try to restrain to the fact that he waste time demanding an answer from his enemy, Jirou shows he's in no position to do what was required of him, namely killing Acacia in cold blood. The fact that he killed Jirou by annihilating his body was also of suspect, Neo will always try devour its prey both to get satisfaction from their emotion and material, not to mention that it most likely consume their spirit as well so that anything it eats can no longer be resurrected, and therefore destroying Jirou's body would only serve to free his spirit into the spirit world where Ichiryu is, completely countering Neo's modus operandi in both its back story and its fight with Air and Don Slime. Further evidence lies in the past when Acacia was living with his companion and sons, if he was really a monster from the beginning why would he pretend to be a saintly man with noble intensions in the first place? It is not like he could use his sons for his plans, the most he got out of them was tricking Midora into reviving Froese and installing deep cover agents into their organizations, which in the grand scheme of things don't seem that important, not to metion he could have done most of them by himself anyway, at the end all it did was creating three demi-gods all of which are against his organization. So no, I don't think he fake those tears, oh and Froese clearly loved and sympathized with him, try do that when you are evil to the core.

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[[WMG: Acacia [[spoiler:Acacia]] is a well intentioned extremist all along]]
While [[spoiler:While his present mental state is unclear at best, he certainly did create NEO(the organization, not the demon) and cooperating with the blue nitro for some reason, so he couldn't have been a spotless saint all that much. However when I examine his actions so far, I am quite convinced that his goal is noble in nature, for example: His alliance with the blue nitro and personal connection with Pair suggest that they have similar goals, namely the sealing of Neo, the fact that even in such an unstable state Pair is still willing to trust him to not deviate from this goal kind of paint him as a trust worthy individual, much different from the heartless backstabbing monster of a man his confrontation with Jirou seems to show. Further more his fight with Jirou can also be seen from a different light: Jirou is neither skilled enough nor powerful enough to stop Neo, Acacia clearly shown that in the fight, but most importantly he shows Jirou was certainly not mentally ready to fight Neo - Jirou was simply too nice, from the fact that his knocking only try to restrain to the fact that he waste time demanding an answer from his enemy, Jirou shows he's in no position to do what was required of him, namely killing Acacia in cold blood. The fact that he killed Jirou by annihilating his body was also of suspect, Neo will always try devour its prey both to get satisfaction from their emotion and material, not to mention that it most likely consume their spirit as well so that anything it eats can no longer be resurrected, and therefore destroying Jirou's body would only serve to free his spirit into the spirit world where Ichiryu is, completely countering Neo's modus operandi in both its back story and its fight with Air and Don Slime. Further evidence lies in the past when Acacia was living with his companion and sons, if he was really a monster from the beginning why would he pretend to be a saintly man with noble intensions in the first place? It is not like he could use his sons for his plans, the most he got out of them was tricking Midora into reviving Froese and installing deep cover agents into their organizations, which in the grand scheme of things don't seem that important, not to metion he could have done most of them by himself anyway, at the end all it did was creating three demi-gods all of which are against his organization. So no, I don't think he fake those tears, oh and Froese clearly loved and sympathized with him, try do that when you are evil to the core.
core.]]



Neo's appetite is completely irrational if it is purely a physical existence, for even a black hole can't swallow a supernova instantly without disrupting the planet it's on, but if half of its existence is metaphysical then almost all of its power can be explained: It could consume enormous amount of energy and material in a short time, it could actually be sated by metaphysical concepts like fear, its mass changes freely and seemingly able to regenerate better than majin Buu, an ability that is actually quite rare in this manga(Ichiryu got defeated when his body was poke full of holes by hungry space, Jirou needs healing water to regenerate his missing hand, and use of Life to survive decapitation), anything it consumes cannot be revived. This theory also explained what Ichiryu found in the depth of the spirit world, that mass of organic looking thing could be Neo's other half, with the material, energy and spirit of every being it consumed in its life time trapt inside. Of course all demon in the Toriko world has both physical and metaphysical aspects, but Neo seems to be the only one that could not only exist in both at the same time but still connected to each other.

[[WMG: Acacia and Neo are separate beings in the current story line]]
In the current story line, Acacia and Neo is seemingly acting in turn rather than as one single being. It seems very clear when one is in control simply by looking at the whose face was shown, who was speaking at the moment, and how they were individually addressed by name by the blue nitro. I look back at the time when they kill and ate Air, it was Acacia's face doing the eating, and then he seemingly warning the blue nitro that if it is not constantly feed it will lose control and eat them as well which was almost immediately proven when Neo's pieces shoot out from its body clearly without Acacia's input. The fight with Don Slime is entirely done by Neo, shown by having Neo head eating Don Slime, Acacia is nowhere to be found yet as soon as Pair comes into the scene Acacia surfaced once more. The fight with Jirou was entirely Acacia, note the technical fighting style, and not eating the opponent after the fight. My theory is that Acacia is currently having priority control of the body, and can control it at will as long as he keep Neo sated, but keep in mind that this is most likely temporary and taxing explaining why Acacia is not in control all the time. Of course Neo is currently incomplete, so maybe Acacia will no longer be capable of control as it fully awakens by the Full Course, whatever it maybe this is likely Acacia's last stand.

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Neo's appetite is completely irrational if it is purely a physical existence, for even a black hole can't swallow a supernova instantly without disrupting the planet it's on, but if half of its existence is metaphysical then almost all of its power can be explained: It could consume enormous amount of energy and material in a short time, it could actually be sated by metaphysical concepts like fear, its mass changes freely and seemingly able to regenerate better than majin Buu, an ability that is actually quite rare in this manga(Ichiryu manga([[spoiler:Ichiryu got defeated when his body was poke full of holes by hungry space, Jirou needs healing water to regenerate his missing hand, and use of Life to survive decapitation), decapitation]]), anything it consumes cannot be revived. This [[spoiler:This theory also explained what Ichiryu found in the depth of the spirit world, that mass of organic looking thing could be Neo's other half, with the material, energy and spirit of every being it consumed in its life time trapt inside. Of course all demon in the Toriko world has both physical and metaphysical aspects, but Neo seems to be the only one that could not only exist in both at the same time but still connected to each other.

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[[WMG: Acacia [[spoiler:Acacia and Neo Neo]] are separate beings in the current story line]]
In [[spoiler:In the current story line, Acacia and Neo is seemingly acting in turn rather than as one single being. It seems very clear when one is in control simply by looking at the whose face was shown, who was speaking at the moment, and how they were individually addressed by name by the blue nitro. I look back at the time when they kill and ate Air, it was Acacia's face doing the eating, and then he seemingly warning the blue nitro that if it is not constantly feed it will lose control and eat them as well which was almost immediately proven when Neo's pieces shoot out from its body clearly without Acacia's input. The fight with Don Slime is entirely done by Neo, shown by having Neo head eating Don Slime, Acacia is nowhere to be found yet as soon as Pair comes into the scene Acacia surfaced once more. The fight with Jirou was entirely Acacia, note the technical fighting style, and not eating the opponent after the fight. My theory is that Acacia is currently having priority control of the body, and can control it at will as long as he keep Neo sated, but keep in mind that this is most likely temporary and taxing explaining why Acacia is not in control all the time. Of course Neo is currently incomplete, so maybe Acacia will no longer be capable of control as it fully awakens by the Full Course, whatever it maybe this is likely Acacia's last stand.]]
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