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13th Jul '16 6:17:11 PM MattP5557
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**The monarch was raised by butterfly's he's still finding out about his family if he had any cousins he probably wouldn't know about them also the fitchels are definitley lower class.




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*** [[spoiler:He did but he didn't survive the one after that.]]



**** Is he leading the investors or are they leading him.
**** If this is true and the "alien" from "Twenty Years To Midnight was [[spoiler:actualy him, why did he really kill the The Grand Galactic Inquisitor.]]




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* In season six it is revealed that[[spoiler: the monarchs father is a GreenHornet {{Expy}} who was freinds with Jonas Venture]] it was implied that they were swingers so it could be possible that [[spoiler:The Blue Morpho]] was believed to be his father but [[MamasBabyPapasMaybe his biological father is actually]] Jonas Venture Sr.




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* Maybe he's every version of TheMaster.




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*** There are lots of super hero's appearing in season 6.




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** [[spoiler:No it won't he's already dead.]]




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** Or he was Badhorse.



Both organizations have been weakened over the course of the series. The Guild already experienced two attempted coups (a la Phantom Limb) and their greatest weapon, the ORB, [[spoiler: no longer works]]. OSI, meanwhile, has become corrupt, causing some of their most competent agents to defect [[spoiler: and form SPHINX]]. The Venture family, which is symbolically important to both groups, is dying out (since J.J. has no children and [[spoiler: the cloning process has damaged Hank and Deanâs DNA to the point where they can no longer produce any viable heirs]]). Many of the big names of the series (Henry Killinger, The Sovereign/[[spoiler: David Bowie]], Hunter Gathers, The Master, etc.) [[GambitRoulette have been actively working to achieve and orcastrated the entire series to this end.]]

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Both organizations have been weakened over the course of the series. The Guild already experienced two attempted coups (a la Phantom Limb) and their greatest weapon, the ORB, [[spoiler: no longer works]]. OSI, meanwhile, has become corrupt, causing some of their most competent agents to defect [[spoiler: and form SPHINX]]. The Venture family, which is symbolically important to both groups, is dying out (since J.J. has no children and [[spoiler: the cloning process has damaged Hank and Deanâs Dean's DNA to the point where they can no longer produce any viable heirs]]). Many of the big names of the series (Henry Killinger, The Sovereign/[[spoiler: David Bowie]], Hunter Gathers, The Master, etc.) [[GambitRoulette have been actively working to achieve and orcastrated the entire series to this end.]]




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*** {{Jossed}} His dad was [[spoiler:a GreenHornet {{Expy}}]]




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***Semi-{{Confirmed}} he dose try to restart Sphinx but it quickly falls apart.




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*** [[spoiler:{{Jossed}} their his brothers and he kills them.]]




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* [[spoiler:{{Jossed}} he's their brother and he killed them.]]



* How concerned should we be, though? Remember, in an earlier ep he showed Doc Venture how close he was to becoming a super-villain, thus bringing him back from the brink. Maybe he shows the RS the truth of the old saying, "Living well is the best revenge" and they quietly disband (or at the very least, drop their schemes against the GoCI).

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* How concerned should we be, though? Remember, in an earlier ep he showed Doc Venture how close he was to becoming a super-villain, thus bringing him back from the brink. Maybe he shows the RS the truth of the old saying, "Living well is the best revenge" and they quietly disband (or at the very least, drop their schemes against the GoCI).==GoCI==).




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*** Confirmed his intention was to reform the council of 13.




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*Confirmed.




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** When he appeared with the monarchs dad in a video in season six they both came of as jerkasses so probably not the case




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** Maybe the whole Venture Bros universe is something Dr. Kreiger built in his lab.




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** What do you mean [[spoiler:the sovereign was very much involved.]]


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**{{Jossed}} it was a mojor part of the season.


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** A {{Crossover}} with something (Hopefully)


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{{Jossed}}


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** Who's to say that was the only time it happened.
13th Jul '16 12:32:07 PM MattP5557
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At some point, Dr. Venture will embrace his super-villain potential, and Hank and Dean will be his chosen opponents. Brock will probably serve as his Dragon (to keep Rusty from going too crazy in his villainy), while Hatred will be the BattleButler to the boys (to make sure they don't forget their responsibilities as science heroes). Like all things Venture Bros., this will be a mix of funny, heartwarming, tearjerker and squick. Heartwarming because Dr. Venture really does care for his sons, and if he's arching them then that means someone else- someone who won't hold back- will have to keep out of it, per Guild bylines. Tearjerker because the Venture family is still trapped in the same crazy, horrible, heart-rending world they've all grown sick of, and they were never able to escape it. And Squick because of all the terrible, terrible Freudian implications.

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At some point, Dr. Venture will embrace his super-villain potential, and Hank and Dean will be his chosen opponents. Brock will probably serve as his Dragon (to keep Rusty from going too crazy in his villainy), while Hatred will be the BattleButler to the boys (to make sure they don't forget their responsibilities as science heroes). Like all things Venture Bros., this will be a mix of funny, heartwarming, tearjerker and squick. Heartwarming because Dr. Venture really does care for his sons, and if he's arching them then that means someone else- someone who won't hold back- will have to keep out of it, per Guild bylines. Tearjerker because the Venture family is still trapped in the same crazy, horrible, heart-rending world they've all grown sick of, and they were never able to escape it. And Squick because of all the terrible, terrible Freudian implications.implications.

[[WMG: The Groovie Gang are what Mystery Incorporated would have become if they hadn't defeated [[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated the Evil Entity]]]]

In the GrandFinale of Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated it was shown that getting rid of The Nibiru entity made the world LighterAndSofter so it stands to reason that if they hadn't defeated it then it would of corrupted them into sociopathic echo's of their former selves. Then once it was fineshed with them it moved on and did the same thing with The Franchise/FantasticFour, WesternAnimation/JonnyQuest, Franchise/TheHardyBoys and probably many others creating the CrapsackWorld of the venture bros.

[[WMG: Before Jonas Venture Sr's "Original Team Venture" there was one or possibly many other team venture's featuring the ancestors of the ventures, The Monarch, The Phantom Limb, Professor Impossible, Pete White, Billy Quizbody, Red Mantle and Dragoon]]

These characters all have established history both personal, such as Rusty, Billy, Pete and the Monarch attending college together with Professor Impossible and the Phantom Limb (I think) teaching or The Monarch being [[spoiler:a henchman to the Phantom Limb]], and familial such as [[spoiler:Jonas Venture Sr. being best friends with the Monarchs dad]], [[spoiler:The Phantom Limb]] and Richard Impossible being in Jonas' boys brigade or [[spoiler:The Venture Bro's great-great grandfather]], The Phantom Limb's [[{{Fantomas}} grandfather]] and Red Mantle and Dragoon's grandparents forming the guild of calamitous intent. It would make sense if they were all longtime family friends.

[[WMG: David Bowie was lying about {{Fantomas}} [[spoiler:usurping Loyd Ventre]]]]

If my theory above about Fantomas and Loyd being family friends is right then it seems unlikely he would do this in reality the sovereign was lying because in reality he came to earth a lot longer than the 70's and usurped the guild himself running it for many years changing names and faces every time he was found out until finally settling on a 70's era David Bowie.

[[WMG: The Murderous Moppets are still alive]]

It seems weird that Henchman 21 would react so strongly to [[spoiler:killing Haranguetan when he already killed the moppets quite recently]] but since they NeverFoundTheBody it could be possible he couldn't bring himself to do it so that means they might come back.
**Alternatively he may have locked them up and they were [[IAmAHumanitarian eaten]] [[spoiler:like all his other prisoners.]]
17th Jun '16 2:00:55 AM PaulA
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This is pretty much a no-brainer, considering the remarks made by OscarCreator/Wilde, and the uniforms worn by the henchmen in the flashback. Maybe The Phantom joined forces with UsefulNotes/NikolaTesla after Venture Sr Sr's death, to create the modern guild.

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This is pretty much a no-brainer, considering the remarks made by OscarCreator/Wilde, Creator/OscarWilde, and the uniforms worn by the henchmen in the flashback. Maybe The Phantom joined forces with UsefulNotes/NikolaTesla after Venture Sr Sr's death, to create the modern guild.
17th Jun '16 2:00:12 AM PaulA
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Think about it. The old guild as shown in the ORB episode has a Dr Venture, obviously Rusty's grandfather. It also has Sandow, who is similar to Brock. We have Crowley, who might just be the same person as Orpheus (master necromancer dodging death is not that much of a stretch), if not his grandfather. We have Samuel Clemens[=/=]{{Mark Twain}}, dressed all in white with albino hair, an openly gay sarcastic yet cheerful OscarWilde, French pulp villain Fantomas... The parallels are all over the place.

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Think about it. The old guild as shown in the ORB episode has a Dr Venture, obviously Rusty's grandfather. It also has Sandow, who is similar to Brock. We have Crowley, who might just be the same person as Orpheus (master necromancer dodging death is not that much of a stretch), if not his grandfather. We have Samuel Clemens[=/=]{{Mark Twain}}, Clemens[=/=]Creator/MarkTwain, dressed all in white with albino hair, an openly gay sarcastic yet cheerful OscarWilde, Creator/OscarWilde, French pulp villain Fantomas... The parallels are all over the place.



This is pretty much a no-brainer, considering the remarks made by OscarWilde, and the uniforms worn by the henchmen in the flashback. Maybe The Phantom joined forces with UsefulNotes/NikolaTesla after Venture Sr Sr's death, to create the modern guild.

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This is pretty much a no-brainer, considering the remarks made by OscarWilde, OscarCreator/Wilde, and the uniforms worn by the henchmen in the flashback. Maybe The Phantom joined forces with UsefulNotes/NikolaTesla after Venture Sr Sr's death, to create the modern guild.
11th May '16 4:19:39 PM JBC31187
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* Alternatively, [[spoiler: Kano physically killed the Blue Morpho and his wife while piloting them, then crashed the plane to cover the murders. He couldn't bring himself to kill Malcolm. ]]

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* Alternatively, [[spoiler: Kano physically killed the Blue Morpho and his wife while piloting them, then crashed the plane to cover the murders. He couldn't bring himself to kill Malcolm. ]]]]

[[WMG: Rusty Venture will end up Arching his sons]]
At some point, Dr. Venture will embrace his super-villain potential, and Hank and Dean will be his chosen opponents. Brock will probably serve as his Dragon (to keep Rusty from going too crazy in his villainy), while Hatred will be the BattleButler to the boys (to make sure they don't forget their responsibilities as science heroes). Like all things Venture Bros., this will be a mix of funny, heartwarming, tearjerker and squick. Heartwarming because Dr. Venture really does care for his sons, and if he's arching them then that means someone else- someone who won't hold back- will have to keep out of it, per Guild bylines. Tearjerker because the Venture family is still trapped in the same crazy, horrible, heart-rending world they've all grown sick of, and they were never able to escape it. And Squick because of all the terrible, terrible Freudian implications.
23rd Apr '16 10:32:17 PM aye_amber
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* That would mean He would have to defeat the Sovereign/[[spoiler:DavidBowie]]. I don't think even the Monarch could pull that off.

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* That would mean He would have to defeat the Sovereign/[[spoiler:DavidBowie]]. Sovereign/[[spoiler: Music/DavidBowie.]] I don't think even the Monarch could pull that off.



Until DavidBowie (then acting as Dead Bowie) staged a hostile takeover, killed Bad Horse, and became the Sovereign.
* Alternately, DavidBowie was the leader of the guild all along; Bad Horse was merely a puppet.

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Until DavidBowie Music/DavidBowie (then acting as Dead Bowie) staged a hostile takeover, killed Bad Horse, and became the Sovereign.
* Alternately, DavidBowie Music/DavidBowie was the leader of the guild all along; Bad Horse was merely a puppet.
15th Apr '16 3:55:38 PM Otakukun
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* Oh so Confirmed
29th Mar '16 8:58:30 AM thenutintheushanka
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They have an interesting Romeo and Juliette thing going.

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They have an interesting Romeo and Juliette thing going.going.

[[WMG: An Alternative Grand Unified Theory]]

[[spoiler: The Monarch's mother is the sister of Jonas Venture, Sr. In the picture where they're together, they have the same hair color and skin tone. The Blue Morpho was her husband, and the Monarch is Jonas' nephew and Rusty's first cousin. Eventually, the Blue Morpho's status as Team Venture's junkyard dog became untenable- it was becoming publicly obvious who the BM worked for, and it was hurting Team Venture's PR. He became a liability. Jonas pressured Kano to engineer an accident on the Blue Morpho's plane. Kano reluctantly complied(hence "killing a great man"- the great man can't have been Jonas because Kano was silent while he was on Team Venture, after BM's death) and Team Venture collected the bounty. Jonas killed his sister, his brother-in-law, and (presumably) attempted to kill his nephew all to preserve his precious public image. To add insult to injury, Jonas made the former BM into a Frankenstein, Venturion, who later became Venadata. Malcolm, later the Monarch, has repressed most of these specific memories, but it's where he gets his hatred of all things Venture. ]]

*Alternatively, [[spoiler: Kano physically killed the Blue Morpho and his wife while piloting them, then crashed the plane to cover the murders. He couldn't bring himself to kill Malcolm. ]]
29th Mar '16 8:41:46 AM thenutintheushanka
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*But when the Monarch watches the video, he says neither of the women are his mother.
22nd Mar '16 2:48:23 PM Otakukun
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Many of the hypotheses concerning the Blue Morpho and the Monarch's childhood are compatible and make sense together. This troper's Unified Theory is thus: Jonas, Sr. befriended the Blue Morpho and slept with his wife. She gave birth to Malcolm, destined to become the Monarch. (Whether the Blue Morpho knew Malcolm wasn't his is probably irrelevant.) Thus Rusty and the Monarch are half-brothers. The plane crash happened pretty much as the Monarch remembered it, ''and'' Kano was the pilot. Thus the Blue Morpho was the "great man" Kano killed, most likely by accident. Afterward, Kano joined Team Venture. At the same time (1976), the Blue Morpho was Robocopped into a Venture Industries cyborg called "Venturion". The cyborg tried to kill Rusty, and later resurfaced as Guild Council member Vendata. Meanwhile, the Monarch has a past with Jonas and Rusty from before the crash. He can't remember it, but it was unpleasant enough that it caused him to start arching Rusty when they crossed paths again in college. Prediction: Vendata himself will reappear to complicate matters before the end of season 6, as will Kano.

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Many of the hypotheses concerning the Blue Morpho and the Monarch's childhood are compatible and make sense together. This troper's Unified Theory is thus: Jonas, Sr. befriended the Blue Morpho and slept with his wife. She gave birth to Malcolm, destined to become the Monarch. (Whether the Blue Morpho knew Malcolm wasn't his is probably irrelevant.) Thus Rusty and the Monarch are half-brothers. The plane crash happened pretty much as the Monarch remembered it, ''and'' Kano was the pilot. Thus the Blue Morpho was the "great man" Kano killed, most likely by accident. Afterward, Kano joined Team Venture. At the same time (1976), the Blue Morpho was Robocopped into a Venture Industries cyborg called "Venturion". The cyborg tried to kill Rusty, and later resurfaced as Guild Council member Vendata. Meanwhile, the Monarch has a past with Jonas and Rusty from before the crash. He can't remember it, but it was unpleasant enough that it caused him to start arching Rusty when they crossed paths again in college. Prediction: Vendata himself will reappear to complicate matters before the end of season 6, as will Kano.Kano.

[[WMG: Hank will become a supervillain]]
He's dating a villains daughter, and played on the villains team at the pool party.

[[WMG: The Monarch will kill Blue Morpho]]
Now that Red Death set him strait, he'll need a way to retire without arousing suspicion on the timing. So what better way then a corps in the Blue Morpho costume? It also has the added benefit of improving his standing with the Guild.

[[WMG: The Snipers will become semi recurring]]
They have an interesting Romeo and Juliette thing going.
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