History WMG / TheVentureBrothers

12th May '18 8:30:09 PM RitzyHyena
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Edit 5/12/18: Patrick Warburton liked my tweet asking if Hank was gay for Brock so there's definitely a possibility.
1st May '18 10:04:16 PM bigbangbilly
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Additionally, Dean's angst the following season doesn't involve Triana in any way, which supports the idea that this experience helped him get over it.

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Additionally, Dean's angst the following season doesn't involve Triana in any way, which supports the idea that this experience helped him get over it.it.


[[WMG: David Bowie Sovereign is The Man Who sold the world ]]
* [[spoiler: One interpretation of the song is that the singer meets a version or a ghost of himself somewhere and Fake-Bowie probably have the world in the form of the Guild. He probably sold the Guild to the investors but he still want to have control over the Guild]]
22nd Apr '18 7:36:28 PM RitzyHyena
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[[WMG: Rusty Venture was cloned by Jonas as a child, just as he clones the boys.]]
Mr. Brisby told Rusty his father mentioned the fact that he master human cloning, and Rusty had a very adventurous and sometimes nearly fatal childhood. The beds which save the boys memories were built by Jonas and the computer which stores their memories is clearly old and in a state of almost disrepair, matching the Jonas built mainframes of M.U.T.H.E.R.
* Seems to be Jossed right-off, considering that, at the age of forty-whatever-it-was, Rusty still has [[spoiler:the twin he absorbed in the womb.]]
** Because it doesn't happen doesn't mean Jonas didn't invent it for that purpose, Rusty just got lucky.

[[WMG: When only one brother dies Dr. Venture has to kill the other one himself.]]
Sort of gruesome but it would be the only way to keep the surviving brother from having a traumatic fit. In the death montage Hank dies by himself twice and Dean once. When the Satellite falls on Hank, Dean was right there and had to have seen it. Total freakout. He'd freak even more if Hank just mysteriously [[ReplacementGoldfish comes back]] So Dr.V would have to "dispose of" the surviving son to keep things uncomplicated.
** But when one of them dies and the other one ''isn't'' there to see, they probably just do what they always do - deny that anyone ever died. The boys aren't terribly quick on the draw.
** Dean -did- think the people Brock kills are hauled away in "sleeping bags".
** Brock gave an awfully quick answer when Hank asked how he would kill him if he had to.
** Couldn't they simply alter the surviving brother's memory?
** Not at the time, they didn't have access to the SPHINX mind wiper machine at the time the clones were in use.
** Also a solution is pretty simple, all they would have to do is knock the surviving one out. I'm pretty sure they probably have a couple of the Monarch Henchmen's Tranquilizer Guns lying around. A quick dart to the neck of an unobservant Dean, then place him in bed, with the new Hank. When he wakes up and Hank is there to, Doc and Brock can just hand wave it off as Dean having a bad dream.



[[WMG: J.J. is so successful specifically because Jonas never got the chance to raise him.]]
Despite his name Jonas Jr. represents what Rusty could have been if Jonas Sr. wasn't his father. Rusty inadvertently did his brother a favor by swallowing him. Being trapped inside Rusty kept him safe from the traumatic boy adventurer lifestyle and allowed him to develop as his own person. If Rusty had been born to any other parent he would be just as successful as his brother and the world would be better for it.



[[WMG: J.J. is so successful specifically because Jonas never got the chance to raise him.]]
Despite his name Jonas Jr. represents what Rusty could have been if Jonas Sr. wasn't his father. Rusty inadvertently did his brother a favor by swallowing him. Being trapped inside Rusty kept him safe from the traumatic boy adventurer lifestyle and allowed him to develop as his own person. If Rusty had been born to any other parent he would be just as successful as his brother and the world would be better for it.



[[WMG: Rusty Venture was cloned by Jonas as a child, just as he clones the boys.]]
Mr. Brisby told Rusty his father mentioned the fact that he master human cloning, and Rusty had a very adventurous and sometimes nearly fatal childhood. The beds which save the boys memories were built by Jonas and the computer which stores their memories is clearly old and in a state of almost disrepair, matching the Jonas built mainframes of M.U.T.H.E.R.
* Seems to be Jossed right-off, considering that, at the age of forty-whatever-it-was, Rusty still has [[spoiler:the twin he absorbed in the womb.]]
** Because it doesn't happen doesn't mean Jonas didn't invent it for that purpose, Rusty just got lucky.



[[WMG: The Monarch's real name is Malcolm Fictel.]]
The reason he's arching Venture is that he's incensed that his childhood hero got away with the statutory rape of his cousin; Rusty's insistence that she said she was twenty simply adds fuel to the fire because he thinks that he's trying to lie his way out of it.
* The Monarch claims to have been arching Venture since college. If we accept that as true, then statutory rape thing can't have been the initial reason.
* As stated above, Rusty Venture was being arched in College by the Monarch, the Monarch was next shown to Arch him when Myra was his body guard before the "moment of passion" seen in Myra's flashback. We next seen Rusty having Myra taken away and the boys appearing to be newborn - 1 year olds, after that we seen Rusty showing Brock the cloning facility, and finally an undisclosed amount of time later we seen Rusty in Nicki Fictals house. Each time We've seen the flashbacks Rusty has had a full head of hair in either a ponytail or flowing, except for the flashback where he introduced Brock to the clone slugs, he had shorter hair, and when he had his fight with Nicki and her mother, he had the same length hair but a really visible bald spot, placing the Fictal rape sometime after Brock became assigned to Operation Rusty's Blanket.
* Considering that the Monarch comes from a moneyed family, it seems doubtful that he would be related to the (relatively lower-class) Fictels. As well, considering the Monarch's dickishness, would he really care about what happened to his cousin?
** The monarch was raised by butterfly's he's still finding out about his family if he had any cousins he probably wouldn't know about them also the fitchels are definitley lower class.



[[WMG: When only one brother dies Dr. Venture has to kill the other one himself.]]
Sort of gruesome but it would be the only way to keep the surviving brother from having a traumatic fit. In the death montage Hank dies by himself twice and Dean once. When the Satellite falls on Hank, Dean was right there and had to have seen it. Total freakout. He'd freak even more if Hank just mysteriously [[ReplacementGoldfish comes back]] So Dr.V would have to "dispose of" the surviving son to keep things uncomplicated.
** But when one of them dies and the other one ''isn't'' there to see, they probably just do what they always do - deny that anyone ever died. The boys aren't terribly quick on the draw.
** Dean -did- think the people Brock kills are hauled away in "sleeping bags".
** Brock gave an awfully quick answer when Hank asked how he would kill him if he had to.
** Couldn't they simply alter the surviving brother's memory?
** Not at the time, they didn't have access to the SPHINX mind wiper machine at the time the clones were in use.
** Also a solution is pretty simple, all they would have to do is knock the surviving one out. I'm pretty sure they probably have a couple of the Monarch Henchmen's Tranquilizer Guns lying around. A quick dart to the neck of an unobservant Dean, then place him in bed, with the new Hank. When he wakes up and Hank is there to, Doc and Brock can just hand wave it off as Dean having a bad dream.



[[WMG: Brock will be the Main/BigBad of Season 4.]]
It's a theory that [[Main/JohnQuixote this troper]]'s had for a while, and the Season 3 finale cements it, sort of. Brock's work with the Ventures has been pretty much a dead-end job for him - he's MUCH more qualified for better work. I'd imagine that eventually he'd get pissed at the Ventures for this (and their general idiocy), snap, and start an effort to kill them. Not only would he be a formidable opponent himself, he even has the smarts, as exhibited by his record-time organization of a counterattack on the Guild in the S2 finale. It seems like it wouldn't be too difficult for him to organize himself a headquarters, a bunch of mooks, and a plan. It helps that Brock quits working for the Ventures in Season 3, finally pissed about everyone and everything working against him.
* Doesn't seem like the Brock we know and love since he keeps protecting and directing all of the threats away from them and to himself. It could be that he disillusioned and leaves the Venture family to guard them from himself but realizes afterwards that they are ones who are protecting him from degrading into a crazy mad man like so many in the super science business and returns as a permanent member of the Venture family, where he belongs.
** But not before his "free agency" creates a domino effect among the various players and factions of the Ventureverse, with the Guild, O.S.I., the Black Hearts, The Monarch, The Phantom Limb, Jonas Venture Jr., Richard Impossible, all of whom fall all over themselves and each other to recruit him, kill him, or take advantage of his absence. Brock has no idea the madness he's just set into motion.
* In the Season 4 that aired, Brock joined SPINHX, followed by Brock and the boys coming together again after SPINHX moved to the Venture compound. Denied.
22nd Apr '18 7:28:28 PM RitzyHyena
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Hank's sexuality is definitely a subject of confusion. He's attracted to women for the most part but his sexuality has been questioned by Dean and Triana and the Alchemist. He also has a strong bond with Brock, highlighted in [[spoiler: S4E01, Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel, when Hank asks why he left and Brock responds "Hank, I'll never leave you", while Shore Leave stares at them, slack jawed and hands on his hips. ]] They also have a much stronger bond with each other than either of them have with Dean or Dr Venture. When [[spoiler: Hank dies in Escape to the House of Mummies Part II, he's shown screaming in pain, though it's [[PlayedForLaughs played for laughs]].]]It would be the best possible scenario because of Hank's fucked up DNA, better for him to not have biological children.

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Hank's sexuality is definitely a subject of confusion. He's attracted to women for the most part but his sexuality has been questioned by Dean and Triana and the Alchemist. He also has a strong bond with Brock, highlighted in [[spoiler: S4E01, Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel, when Hank asks why he left and Brock responds "Hank, I'll never leave you", while Shore Leave stares at them, slack jawed and hands on his hips. ]] They also have a much stronger bond with each other than either of them have with Dean or Dr Venture. When [[spoiler: Hank dies in Escape to the House of Mummies Part II, he's shown screaming in pain, though it's [[PlayedForLaughs played for laughs]].]]It ]] It would be the best possible scenario because of Hank's fucked up DNA, better for him to not have biological children.
22nd Apr '18 7:27:11 PM RitzyHyena
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Hank's sexuality is definitely a subject of confusion. He's attracted to women for the most part but his sexuality has been questioned by Dean and Triana and the Alchemist. He also has a strong bond with Brock, highlighted in [[spoiler: S4E01, Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel, when Hank asks why he left and Brock responds "Hank, I'll never leave you", while Shore Leave stares at them, slack jawed and hands on his hips. ]] They also have a much stronger bond with each other than either of them have with Dean or Dr Venture. When [[spoiler: Hank dies in Escape to the House of Mummies Part II, he's shown screaming in pain, though it's [[PlayedForLaughs played for laughs]] . ]] It would be the best possible scenario because of Hank's fucked up DNA, better for him to not have biological children.

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Hank's sexuality is definitely a subject of confusion. He's attracted to women for the most part but his sexuality has been questioned by Dean and Triana and the Alchemist. He also has a strong bond with Brock, highlighted in [[spoiler: S4E01, Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel, when Hank asks why he left and Brock responds "Hank, I'll never leave you", while Shore Leave stares at them, slack jawed and hands on his hips. ]] They also have a much stronger bond with each other than either of them have with Dean or Dr Venture. When [[spoiler: Hank dies in Escape to the House of Mummies Part II, he's shown screaming in pain, though it's [[PlayedForLaughs played for laughs]] . ]] It laughs]].]]It would be the best possible scenario because of Hank's fucked up DNA, better for him to not have biological children.
22nd Apr '18 7:26:40 PM RitzyHyena
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Hank's sexuality is definitely a subject of confusion. He's attracted to women for the most part but his sexuality has been questioned by Dean and Triana and the Alchemist. He also has a strong bond with Brock, highlighted in [[spoiler: S4E01, Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel, when Hank asks why he left and Brock responds "Hank, I'll never leave you", while Shore Leave stares at them, slack jawed and hands on his hips. ]] They also have a much stronger bond with each other than either of them have with Dean. When [[spoiler: S2E04, Escape to the House of Mummies Part II, he's shown screaming when Hank dies. ]]
Also it would be the best possible scenario because of Hank's fucked up DNA, better for him to not have biological children.

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Hank's sexuality is definitely a subject of confusion. He's attracted to women for the most part but his sexuality has been questioned by Dean and Triana and the Alchemist. He also has a strong bond with Brock, highlighted in [[spoiler: S4E01, Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel, when Hank asks why he left and Brock responds "Hank, I'll never leave you", while Shore Leave stares at them, slack jawed and hands on his hips. ]] They also have a much stronger bond with each other than either of them have with Dean. Dean or Dr Venture. When [[spoiler: S2E04, Hank dies in Escape to the House of Mummies Part II, he's shown screaming when Hank dies. ]]
Also it
in pain, though it's [[PlayedForLaughs played for laughs]] . ]] It would be the best possible scenario because of Hank's fucked up DNA, better for him to not have biological children.
22nd Apr '18 7:23:08 PM RitzyHyena
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[[WMG: Hank and Brock will be a couple by the end of the series. ]]
Hank's sexuality is definitely a subject of confusion. He's attracted to women for the most part but his sexuality has been questioned by Dean and Triana and the Alchemist. He also has a strong bond with Brock, highlighted in [[spoiler: S4E01, Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel, when Hank asks why he left and Brock responds "Hank, I'll never leave you", while Shore Leave stares at them, slack jawed and hands on his hips. ]] They also have a much stronger bond with each other than either of them have with Dean. When [[spoiler: S2E04, Escape to the House of Mummies Part II, he's shown screaming when Hank dies. ]]
Also it would be the best possible scenario because of Hank's fucked up DNA, better for him to not have biological children.
12th Apr '18 2:35:10 PM MMTrigger
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I mean, he [[spoiler: turned into the freaking hulk.]] How could he not survive?

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I mean, he [[spoiler: turned into the freaking hulk.Hulk.]] How could he not survive?





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** There is one idea: [[https://www.babycenter.com/0_strange-but-true-getting-pregnant-when-youre-already-pregnan_10364946.bc superfetation]] is a phenomenon where a woman can be impregnated a few weeks into a pregnancy. Since we've never seen Jonas Sr.'s wife, it's possible Jonas and The Blue Morpho both impregnated the same woman.
18th Mar '18 10:02:37 PM Ploopyandproud
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During the Outrider's speech, Dean had a realization. It dawned on him that his attraction to Triana was just a shallow teenage crush. At that point, he no longer cares about winning her back. She was never that important to him in the first place. This in of itself upsets him, but for different reasons. He's angry that he invested so much time and energy worrying about her in the first place. He got nothing out of it and he feels like an idiot for even bothering in the first place. When the Outrider gives him that asinine lecture about [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy letting go of a person you love]], Dean is in no mood to hear it. The Outrider treats Dean like a cretin and assumes he perfectly understands what the boy's problem is. This prompts Dean [[PrecisionFStrike to say what's really on his mind]] for the first time in his life.

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During the Outrider's speech, Dean had a realization. It dawned on him that his attraction to Triana was just a shallow teenage crush. At that point, he no longer cares about winning her back. She was never that important to him in the first place. This in of itself upsets him, but for different reasons. He's angry that he invested so much time and energy worrying about her in the first place. He got nothing out of it and he feels like an idiot for even bothering in the first place.with her to begin with. When the Outrider gives him that asinine lecture about [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy letting go of a person you love]], Dean is in no mood to hear it. The Outrider treats Dean like a cretin and assumes he perfectly understands what the boy's problem is. This prompts Dean [[PrecisionFStrike to say what's really on his mind]] for the first time in his life.
18th Mar '18 10:01:53 PM Ploopyandproud
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[[WMG: Dean's F-bomb in "Operation P.R.O.M." is him having a major realization]]

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[[WMG: Dean's F-bomb in "Operation P.R.O.M." is him having a major realization]]realization about his crush on Triana]]
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