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15th Aug '16 2:05:33 PM AbrasiveLeptocephalus
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** In last arc is new character of elven cleric, Veldrina, which is explicitly reffered to as female.
2nd Aug '16 4:19:50 PM Twoeyesshort
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Although she believed herself to be LawfulGood, the fact that she killed Shojo, began acting under her own code instead of actual laws, and was generally a terrible person, means that she wasn't particularly lawful or good by the end of her life. Eugene Greenhilt is in line for the Lawful Good afterlife primarily because he committed lawful good acts rather than because he cared about staying true to his alignment, and these two things apparently have the same effect, making him appear properly Lawful Good in the eyes of the CelestialBureaucracy. Since Miko tried so hard to be LG that she almost hit the other extreme (that extreme being CE), then for all intents and purposes she will be considered as Chaotic Evil (or TrueNeutral, at best), especially since she died unredeemed and post-death Alignment shifts don't appear to count for anything.

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Although she believed herself to be LawfulGood, the fact that she killed Shojo, began acting under her own code instead of actual laws, and was generally a terrible person, means that she wasn't particularly lawful or good by the end of her life. Eugene Greenhilt is in line for the Lawful Good afterlife primarily because he committed lawful good acts rather than because he cared about staying true to his alignment, and these two things apparently have the same effect, making him appear properly Lawful Good in the eyes of the CelestialBureaucracy. Since Miko tried so hard to be LG that she almost hit the other extreme (that extreme being CE), then for all intents and purposes she will be considered as Chaotic Evil (or TrueNeutral, at best), especially since she died unredeemed and post-death Alignment shifts don't appear to count for anything.anything.

[[WMG: Dvalin will subvert LawfulStupid]]
Possibly as a result of RulesLawyer-ing and/or ExactWords. "I agreed I would consult the dwarven heads. I dinnae say I'd follow them blindly."
* Naturally, Roy will be pissed as a result of this. We CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot.
29th Jul '16 4:13:27 AM Morgenthaler
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There is one hole in Tarquin DangerouslyGenreSavvy worldview "If I will I get to be the king, if I die I will become the legend'' he explained to Elan - if he will be killed by even bigger villain, after being at the reciving end of EvilerThanThou speech and said villain will then unleash such terror that everything he did will pale in comparision, he won't become legend. He will be doomed to be remembered as just one of minor characters in much more epic story of greater BigBad. He cannot even hope to get his sons to have classic [[YouKilledMyFather "avenging dead parent"]] subplot, because [[spoiler: Nale]] hates him and [[spoiler: Elan]] knows very well now how evil bastard his dad is. Can you imagine worst ending for somebody who loves the epic story structure so much? And who is better to do that to him than Xykon?

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There is one hole in Tarquin DangerouslyGenreSavvy Tarquin's GenreSavvy worldview "If I will I get to be the king, if I die I will become the legend'' he explained to Elan - if he will be killed by even bigger villain, after being at the reciving end of EvilerThanThou speech and said villain will then unleash such terror that everything he did will pale in comparision, he won't become legend. He will be doomed to be remembered as just one of minor characters in much more epic story of greater BigBad. He cannot even hope to get his sons to have classic [[YouKilledMyFather "avenging dead parent"]] subplot, because [[spoiler: Nale]] hates him and [[spoiler: Elan]] knows very well now how evil bastard his dad is. Can you imagine worst ending for somebody who loves the epic story structure so much? And who is better to do that to him than Xykon?



Tarquin has recently [[spoiler: joined forces with Nale and Linear Guild]] as as we all know [[spoiler: Fiends use the Guild as their unwilling pawns]]. Having somebody as DangerouslyGenreSavvy as Tarquin messing in their plans would be a diseaster, so Fiends will try to get rid of him.

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Tarquin has recently [[spoiler: joined forces with Nale and Linear Guild]] as as we all know [[spoiler: Fiends use the Guild as their unwilling pawns]]. Having somebody as DangerouslyGenreSavvy GenreSavvy as Tarquin messing in their plans would be a diseaster, so Fiends will try to get rid of him.



Somebody so DangerouslyGenreSavvy and in love with story structure should know that when there is VillainTeamUp there is going to be betrayal and that his partner is prone to ChronicBackstabbingDisorder. It's only logical he will betray him first.

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Somebody so DangerouslyGenreSavvy GenreSavvy and in love with story structure should know that when there is VillainTeamUp there is going to be betrayal and that his partner is prone to ChronicBackstabbingDisorder. It's only logical he will betray him first.



The entire point of Tarquin's plan is that, if he is ever defeated, the story of his defeat will go down in history, with him as the BadAss [[FourStarBadass General]]. Which is already working, as [[FridgeBrilliance we are reading the story]], and we see him as a DangerouslyGenreSavvy BadAss [[FourStarBadass General]]. So the only way for his plan to be foiled is for him to lose that respect we currently have for him. He will be OutGambitted, OvershadowedByAwesome, and swallow an IdiotBall, leaving him a complete failure of a villain by the time anyone bothers to kill him.

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The entire point of Tarquin's plan is that, if he is ever defeated, the story of his defeat will go down in history, with him as the BadAss [[FourStarBadass General]]. Which is already working, as [[FridgeBrilliance we are reading the story]], and we see him as a DangerouslyGenreSavvy GenreSavvy BadAss [[FourStarBadass General]]. So the only way for his plan to be foiled is for him to lose that respect we currently have for him. He will be OutGambitted, OvershadowedByAwesome, and swallow an IdiotBall, leaving him a complete failure of a villain by the time anyone bothers to kill him.



The entire point of Tarquin's plan is that, if he is ever defeated, the story of his defeat will go down in history, with him as the BadAss [[FourStarBadass General]]. Which is already working, as [[FridgeBrilliance we are reading the story]], and we see him as a DangerouslyGenreSavvy BadAss [[FourStarBadass General]]. So the only way for his plan to be foiled is for him to lose that respect we currently have for him. He will be OutGambitted, OvershadowedByAwesome, and swallow an IdiotBall, leaving him a complete failure of a villain by the time anyone bothers to kill him.

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The entire point of Tarquin's plan is that, if he is ever defeated, the story of his defeat will go down in history, with him as the BadAss [[FourStarBadass General]]. Which is already working, as [[FridgeBrilliance we are reading the story]], and we see him as a DangerouslyGenreSavvy GenreSavvy BadAss [[FourStarBadass General]]. So the only way for his plan to be foiled is for him to lose that respect we currently have for him. He will be OutGambitted, OvershadowedByAwesome, and swallow an IdiotBall, leaving him a complete failure of a villain by the time anyone bothers to kill him.



Preferably with Elan warning them about it precisely because he knows Nale totally won't listen to him. Malack, being DangerouslyGenreSavvy, will lag enough to keep himself and Durkon out of it, and as a favor to Durkon make up something along the lines of [[BadBadActing "Gosh, darn, I'm not sure if any of my prepared spells could snap them out of that.]] I will have to take a lot of time and go through all of them. I ''sure hope the Order doesn't run and'' '''save themselves like a certain cleric of theirs would want''' or anything!". The Order will take the hint and book it further in.

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Preferably with Elan warning them about it precisely because he knows Nale totally won't listen to him. Malack, being DangerouslyGenreSavvy, GenreSavvy, will lag enough to keep himself and Durkon out of it, and as a favor to Durkon make up something along the lines of [[BadBadActing "Gosh, darn, I'm not sure if any of my prepared spells could snap them out of that.]] I will have to take a lot of time and go through all of them. I ''sure hope the Order doesn't run and'' '''save themselves like a certain cleric of theirs would want''' or anything!". The Order will take the hint and book it further in.
18th Jul '16 7:23:51 AM GreatWyrmGold
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** Of course, the same argument could be made for the actual Linear Guild members. In fact, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0795.html it has]]. Naturally, this doesn't account for other problems with the theory...
23rd Apr '16 4:37:57 AM Slothgirl
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But unlike Durkon and Vampire!Durkon Belkar and his vampire spirit will be best friends. They'll alternate who controls depending on who can produce the most lols at the moment, constantly trying to one-up each other. Kinda like a split personality with one personality being more of a snarky comedic sociopath and the other being gleefully over the top laughably evil.

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But unlike Durkon and Vampire!Durkon Vampire!Durkon, Belkar and his vampire spirit will be best friends. They'll alternate who controls depending on who can produce the most lols at the moment, constantly trying to one-up each other. Kinda like a split personality with one personality being more of a snarky comedic sociopath and the other being gleefully over the top laughably evil.



Although she believed herself to be LawfulGood, the fact that she killed Shojo, began acting under her own code instead of actual laws, and was generally a terrible person, she wasn't particularly lawful or good by the end of her life. Eugene Greenhilt is in line for the Lawful Good afterlife primarily because he committed lawful good acts rather than because he cared about staying true to his alignment, and these two things apparently have the same effect, making him appear properly Lawful Good in the eyes of the CelestialBureaucracy. Since Miko tried so hard to be LG that she almost hit the other extreme (that extreme being CE), then for all intents and purposes she will be considered as Chaotic Evil (or TrueNeutral, at best), especially since she died unredeemed and post-death Alignment shifts don't appear to count for anything.

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Although she believed herself to be LawfulGood, the fact that she killed Shojo, began acting under her own code instead of actual laws, and was generally a terrible person, means that she wasn't particularly lawful or good by the end of her life. Eugene Greenhilt is in line for the Lawful Good afterlife primarily because he committed lawful good acts rather than because he cared about staying true to his alignment, and these two things apparently have the same effect, making him appear properly Lawful Good in the eyes of the CelestialBureaucracy. Since Miko tried so hard to be LG that she almost hit the other extreme (that extreme being CE), then for all intents and purposes she will be considered as Chaotic Evil (or TrueNeutral, at best), especially since she died unredeemed and post-death Alignment shifts don't appear to count for anything.
23rd Apr '16 4:36:54 AM Slothgirl
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Xykon doesn't want to see the world destroyed, since that would kill him. He'd rather take it over. Hel's high priest will succeed in Dominating the Dwarven Council, but Xykon, in the area looking for Kraagor's Gate, will find out what's going on (possibly from the Order themselves) and [[VillainousRescue solve the problem]] by [[CuttingTheKnot killing all the dominated elders]] so they can't advise the First King to end the world. Redcloak will be incensed at this since Hel's plan would have fulfilled the Dark One's goals as well and this will become a catalyst for the inevitable break between Redcloak and Xykon.

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Xykon doesn't want to see the world destroyed, since that would kill him. He'd rather take it over. Hel's high priest will succeed in Dominating the Dwarven Council, but Xykon, in the area looking for Kraagor's Gate, will find out what's going on (possibly from the Order themselves) and [[VillainousRescue solve the problem]] by [[CuttingTheKnot killing all the dominated elders]] so they can't advise the First King to end the world. Redcloak will be incensed at this since Hel's plan would have fulfilled the Dark One's goals as well and this will become a catalyst for the inevitable break between Redcloak and Xykon.Xykon.

[[WMG: After her death, Miko's soul read as ChaoticEvil]]
Although she believed herself to be LawfulGood, the fact that she killed Shojo, began acting under her own code instead of actual laws, and was generally a terrible person, she wasn't particularly lawful or good by the end of her life. Eugene Greenhilt is in line for the Lawful Good afterlife primarily because he committed lawful good acts rather than because he cared about staying true to his alignment, and these two things apparently have the same effect, making him appear properly Lawful Good in the eyes of the CelestialBureaucracy. Since Miko tried so hard to be LG that she almost hit the other extreme (that extreme being CE), then for all intents and purposes she will be considered as Chaotic Evil (or TrueNeutral, at best), especially since she died unredeemed and post-death Alignment shifts don't appear to count for anything.
11th Apr '16 6:10:08 AM jdj42
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[[WMG: Tarquin will be killed by Sabine]]
He'll die by the very genre conventions he trumpets. The lone defector (sort of, not so much 'defecting' as 'persuing her own thing for a bit') from an evil faction and agent of chaos avenging a fallen loved one on the tyrant who refused to see said loved one's value. It has everything! The hero being the only one who saw value in their fallen icon, the villain's forgotten actions coming back to haunt them, victory through the power of love, the intense personal emotions of family, one individual versus the might of an empire, all the elements.

BUT! Because Sabine is a DEMON, nobody will see her as a hero, and nobody will see Tarquin as the villain. He'll just be some shmuck who had dealings with devils backfire on him; and even though from the perspective with all the information a great story will have been told, IN-UNIVERSE nobody will remember or care.

Burlew will not show us this because he is a diva who has come to hate Tarquin to the point of implausibly denying all his good characteristics, intentionally drawing out and making more boring the arc to try and manipulate the readers into wanting to be rid of him, and because he thinks that taking a victory based on defying resolution to a situation to a meta level isn't a bloody obnoxious thing to do; but it will still have happened.
* [[SarcasmMode Nice conspiracy theory.]]



Xykon doesn't want to see the world destroyed, since that would kill him. He'd rather take it over. Hel's high priest will succeed in Dominating the Dwarven Council, but Xykon, in the area looking for Kraagor's Gate, will find out what's going on (possibly from the Order themselves) and [[VillainousRescue solve the problem]] by [[CuttingTheKnot killing all the dominated elders]] so they can't advise the First King to end the world. Redcloak will be incensed at this since Hel's plan would have fulfilled the Dark One's goals as well and this will become a catalyst for the inevitable break between Redcloak and Xykon.

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[[WMG: Tarquin will be killed by Sabine]]
He'll die by the very genre conventions he trumpets. The lone defector (sort of, not so much 'defecting' as 'persuing her own thing for a bit') from an evil faction and agent of chaos avenging a fallen loved one on the tyrant who refused to see said loved one's value. It has everything! The hero being the only one who saw value in their fallen icon, the villain's forgotten actions coming back to haunt them, victory through the power of love, the intense personal emotions of family, one individual versus the might of an empire, all the elements.

BUT! Because Sabine is a DEMON, nobody will see her as a hero, and nobody will see Tarquin as the villain. He'll just be some shmuck who had dealings with devils backfire on him; and even though from the perspective with all the information a great story will have been told, IN-UNIVERSE nobody will remember or care.

Burlew will not show us this because he is a diva who has come to hate Tarquin to the point of implausibly denying all his good characteristics, intentionally drawing out and making more boring the arc to try and manipulate the readers into wanting to be rid of him, and because he thinks that taking a victory based on defying resolution to a situation to a meta level isn't a bloody obnoxious thing to do; but it will still have happened.
* Nice conspiracy theory.

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Xykon doesn't want to see the world destroyed, since that would kill him. He'd rather take it over. Hel's high priest will succeed in Dominating the Dwarven Council, but Xykon, in the area looking for Kraagor's Gate, will find out what's going on (possibly from the Order themselves) and [[VillainousRescue solve the problem]] by [[CuttingTheKnot killing all the dominated elders]] so they can't advise the First King to end the world. Redcloak will be incensed at this since Hel's plan would have fulfilled the Dark One's goals as well and this will become a catalyst for the inevitable break between Redcloak and Xykon.

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[[WMG: Tarquin will be killed by Sabine]]
He'll die by the very genre conventions he trumpets. The lone defector (sort of, not so much 'defecting' as 'persuing her own thing for a bit') from an evil faction and agent of chaos avenging a fallen loved one on the tyrant who refused to see said loved one's value. It has everything! The hero being the only one who saw value in their fallen icon, the villain's forgotten actions coming back to haunt them, victory through the power of love, the intense personal emotions of family, one individual versus the might of an empire, all the elements.

BUT! Because Sabine is a DEMON, nobody will see her as a hero, and nobody will see Tarquin as the villain. He'll just be some shmuck who had dealings with devils backfire on him; and even though from the perspective with all the information a great story will have been told, IN-UNIVERSE nobody will remember or care.

Burlew will not show us this because he is a diva who has come to hate Tarquin to the point of implausibly denying all his good characteristics, intentionally drawing out and making more boring the arc to try and manipulate the readers into wanting to be rid of him, and because he thinks that taking a victory based on defying resolution to a situation to a meta level isn't a bloody obnoxious thing to do; but it will still have happened.
* Nice conspiracy theory.
Xykon.
11th Apr '16 6:08:45 AM jdj42
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Burlew will not show us this because he is a diva who has come to hate Tarquin to the point of implausibly denying all his good characteristics, intentionally drawing out and making more boring the arc to try and manipulate the readers into wanting to be rid of him, and because he thinks that taking a victory based on defying resolution to a situation to a meta level isn't a bloody obnoxious thing to do; but it will still have happened.

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Burlew will not show us this because he is a diva who has come to hate Tarquin to the point of implausibly denying all his good characteristics, intentionally drawing out and making more boring the arc to try and manipulate the readers into wanting to be rid of him, and because he thinks that taking a victory based on defying resolution to a situation to a meta level isn't a bloody obnoxious thing to do; but it will still have happened.happened.
* Nice conspiracy theory.
21st Jan '16 3:37:36 AM Alexsi
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[[WMG: Tarquin will be killed by Sabine]]
He'll die by the very genre conventions he trumpets. The lone defector (sort of, not so much 'defecting' as 'persuing her own thing for a bit') from an evil faction and agent of chaos avenging a fallen loved one on the tyrant who refused to see said loved one's value. It has everything! The hero being the only one who saw value in their fallen icon, the villain's forgotten actions coming back to haunt them, victory through the power of love, the intense personal emotions of family, one individual versus the might of an empire, all the elements.

BUT! Because Sabine is a DEMON, nobody will see her as a hero, and nobody will see Tarquin as the villain. He'll just be some shmuck who had dealings with devils backfire on him; and even though from the perspective with all the information a great story will have been told, IN-UNIVERSE nobody will remember or care.

Burlew will not show us this because he is a diva who has come to hate Tarquin to the point of implausibly denying all his good characteristics, intentionally drawing out and making more boring the arc to try and manipulate the readers into wanting to be rid of him, and because he thinks that taking a victory based on defying resolution to a situation to a meta level isn't a bloody obnoxious thing to do; but it will still have happened.
6th Jan '16 5:03:54 PM BobTheBard
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[[WMG: Hel's plan will be derailed by Xykon]]
Xykon doesn't want to see the world destroyed, since that would kill him. He'd rather take it over. Hel's high priest will succeed in Dominating the Dwarven Council, but Xykon, in the area looking for Kraagor's Gate, will find out what's going on (possibly from the Order themselves) and [[VillainousRescue solve the problem]] by [[CuttingTheKnot killing all the dominated elders]] so they can't advise the First King to end the world. Redcloak will be incensed at this since Hel's plan would have fulfilled the Dark One's goals as well and this will become a catalyst for the inevitable break between Redcloak and Xykon.
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