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27th Apr '16 8:03:34 PM Ingonyama
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[[WMG: Bastian's father is abusive]]]

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[[WMG: Bastian's father is abusive]]]abusive]]
27th Apr '16 8:02:15 PM Ingonyama
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* On the other hand, while he failed the test of being confident in his self-worth, he still passed a test of bravery by running through rather than simply freezing and letting them blast him, or fleeing back the way he came in cowardice. It's also a good and realistic way of showing heroes can be flawed and make mistakes, yet still be heroes and manage to win in the end.



and probably caused his wife's death, somehow. Bastian is a lot like his mother, so he gets a lot of abuse from his father. He reads books to escape thinking about it. Fantasia represents his childhood, memories of his mother, the things he likes in books, The Nothing is anxieties and fears, especially about growing up and living without his mother.

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...and probably caused his wife's death, somehow. Bastian is a lot like his mother, so he gets a lot of abuse from his father. He reads books to escape thinking about it. Fantasia represents his childhood, memories of his mother, the things he likes in books, The Nothing is anxieties and fears, especially about growing up and living without his mother.



* Gmork says that the Manipulators tell lies to humans to gain power over them - By stealing a human's time, the Grey Men gain absolute power over them, as Master Hora explains. They gain that power by distortinng the truth and make people believe their lies
* When falling victim to the manipulation, the people in The Neverending Story just as the citizens of the unnamed city in Momo loste their ability to dream and their happiness.

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* Gmork says that the Manipulators tell lies to humans to gain power over them - By stealing a human's time, the Grey Men gain absolute power over them, as Master Hora explains. They gain that power by distortinng distorting the truth and make people believe their lies
* When falling victim to the manipulation, the people in The Neverending Story just as the citizens of the unnamed city in Momo loste lost their ability to dream and their happiness.



* What metaphor? They all by tell you this point blank.

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* What metaphor? They all by but tell you this point blank.



During the Ivory Tower scene near the beginning of the first movie, you can JUST make out [[MickeyMouse Mickey Mouse]], Gumby and even a few [[StarWars Star Wars characters]] gathered in the small crowd atop the tower. At first glance, these seem to be little more than easter eggs the filmmakers snuck in for funsies. That is, up until you remember that Fantasia is the realm of Human Fantasy. As in, the realm of imagination and fiction. So while Mickey and Chewbacca weren't book characters, they were nonetheless in their own stories, and all stories are true in Fantasia.

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During the Ivory Tower scene near the beginning of the first movie, you can JUST make out [[MickeyMouse Mickey Mouse]], Gumby and even a few [[StarWars Star Wars characters]] gathered in the small crowd atop the tower. At first glance, these seem to be little more than easter eggs {{Easter Egg}}s the filmmakers snuck in for funsies. That is, up until you remember that Fantasia is the realm of Human Fantasy. As in, the realm of imagination and fiction. So while Mickey and Chewbacca weren't book characters, they were nonetheless in their own stories, and all stories are true in Fantasia.
24th Oct '15 8:54:43 PM Durison
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[[WMG: The Manipulators from the book are related to Nyarlathotep]]
24th Oct '15 12:39:06 PM BigBaragon
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Basically, Fantasia is home to basically every fictional character.....ever.

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Basically, Fantasia is home to basically every fictional character.....ever.
24th Oct '15 12:38:17 PM BigBaragon
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During the Ivory Tower scene near the beginning of the first movie, you can JUST make out [[MickeyMouse Mickey Mouse]], [[Gumby Gumby]] and even a few [[StarWars Star Wars characters]] gathered in the small crowd atop the tower. At first glance, these seem to be little more than easter eggs the filmmakers snuck in for funsies. That is, up until you remember that Fantasia is the realm of Human Fantasy. As in, the realm of imagination and fiction. So while Mickey and Chewbacca weren't book characters, they were nonetheless in their own stories, and all stories are true in Fantasia.

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During the Ivory Tower scene near the beginning of the first movie, you can JUST make out [[MickeyMouse Mickey Mouse]], [[Gumby Gumby]] Gumby and even a few [[StarWars Star Wars characters]] gathered in the small crowd atop the tower. At first glance, these seem to be little more than easter eggs the filmmakers snuck in for funsies. That is, up until you remember that Fantasia is the realm of Human Fantasy. As in, the realm of imagination and fiction. So while Mickey and Chewbacca weren't book characters, they were nonetheless in their own stories, and all stories are true in Fantasia.
24th Oct '15 12:36:53 PM BigBaragon
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[[WMG: All of fiction lives in Fantasia]]
During the Ivory Tower scene near the beginning of the first movie, you can JUST make out [[MickeyMouse Mickey Mouse]], [[Gumby Gumby]] and even a few [[StarWars Star Wars characters]] gathered in the small crowd atop the tower. At first glance, these seem to be little more than easter eggs the filmmakers snuck in for funsies. That is, up until you remember that Fantasia is the realm of Human Fantasy. As in, the realm of imagination and fiction. So while Mickey and Chewbacca weren't book characters, they were nonetheless in their own stories, and all stories are true in Fantasia.

Basically, Fantasia is home to basically every fictional character.....ever.
17th Sep '15 9:18:02 PM DarkStarling
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* Why Desire? The Childlike Empress is a child's vision of Dream, and the Auryn is one of his Dream Gems. We know the Endless look different depending on who sees them (Martian Manhunter sees him as a flaming skull while Shazam simultaneously sees him as we do) and Fantastica is the world of story and archetype just like the Dreaming. The Old Man of Wandering Mountain is either Destiny, or a dream of Destiny: since stories of the Endless are told, then [[RecursiveCanon Dreams of the Endless exist.]]

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* Why Desire?
[[WMG: The Childlike Empress is [[ComicBook/TheSandman Dream]].]]
The Childlike Empress is a child's vision of Dream, and the Auryn is one of his Dream Gems. We know the Endless look different depending on who sees them (Martian Manhunter sees him as a flaming skull while Shazam simultaneously sees him as we do) and Fantastica is the world of story and archetype just like the Dreaming. The Old Man of Wandering Mountain is either Destiny, or a dream of Destiny: since stories of the Endless are told, then [[RecursiveCanon Dreams of the Endless exist.]]
27th Aug '15 10:02:04 PM PurrElise
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Or at least choosing his words carefully. Fantasia isn't the realm of the fantasies of all of mankind, it's the world born of the imagination of one specific person at a time. The one that dreamed up Fantasia? Moon Child. When she died, Fantasis passed onto her son who was the only person in the world to be as greater dreamer as she was. So why is Fantasia dying? Because Bastian is so broken up with grief over his mother's death, that he can't dream as he once did. The description of the Nothing and its effects sound very similar to depression caused by grief. A dead emptiness, a loss of hope, an inability to imagine or dream, etc. The Nothing is a manifestation of Bastian's depression. Hell, it's servant is a literal black dog that pursues the story's protagonist who is part of Bastian. This explains why the Nothing is a recent phenomenon and why Bastian finally starting to move beyond his grief and be able to dream again, is what destroys it. The explanation that's sort of given as to why the Nothing has just now suddenly started to appear is the usual NewMediaAreEvil excuse. But that doesn't really make sense when you think about it. For one, TV and video games rotting a person's brain is suspect anyway. Plus, Fantasia is meant to be human fantasy, not just ''book'' human fantasy. So, what, people like Disney, Miyazaki and Newell have no imagination? Don't buy it for a second. Human fantasy may be evolving with new media, but it isn't dying. Finally there's just the sheer numbers to contend with. There're more people alive in Bastian's time than have ever been. So even if ninety percent of human beings had lost the ability to dream through watching TV, there still should be enough left to keep Fantasia alive. What about cultures that have no new media? Don't they count? Anyway, Bastian pushes through the funk he'd been lost in, decides to dream again and Fantasia is healed. When he dies, it'll pass onto someone else and keep on going forever that way. As for why the G'mork lied to Ateyu, either he just didn't know (why would he? The Nothing is never presented as being all knowing, just powerful and deadly) or he didn't want to give away too much. Fun to torment Atreyu, too dangerous to tell him the truth.

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Or at least choosing his words carefully. Fantasia isn't the realm of the fantasies of all of mankind, it's the world born of the imagination of one specific person at a time. The one that dreamed up Fantasia? Moon Child. When she died, Fantasis Fantasia passed onto her son who was the only person in the world to be as greater dreamer as she was. So why is Fantasia dying? Because Bastian is so broken up with grief over his mother's death, that he can't dream as he once did. The description of the Nothing and its effects sound very similar to depression caused by grief. A dead emptiness, a loss of hope, an inability to imagine or dream, etc. The Nothing is a manifestation of Bastian's depression. Hell, it's servant is a literal black dog that pursues the story's protagonist who is part of Bastian. This explains why the Nothing is a recent phenomenon and why Bastian finally starting to move beyond his grief and be able to dream again, is what destroys it. The explanation that's sort of given as to why the Nothing has just now suddenly started to appear is the usual NewMediaAreEvil excuse. But that doesn't really make sense when you think about it. For one, TV and video games rotting a person's brain is suspect anyway. Plus, Fantasia is meant to be human fantasy, not just ''book'' human fantasy. So, what, people like Disney, Miyazaki and Newell have no imagination? Don't buy it for a second. Human fantasy may be evolving with new media, but it isn't dying. Finally there's just the sheer numbers to contend with. There're more people alive in Bastian's time than have ever been. So even if ninety percent of human beings had lost the ability to dream through watching TV, there still should be enough left to keep Fantasia alive. What about cultures that have no new media? Don't they count? Anyway, Bastian pushes through the funk he'd been lost in, decides to dream again and Fantasia is healed. When he dies, it'll pass onto someone else and keep on going forever that way. As for why the G'mork lied to Ateyu, either he just didn't know (why would he? The Nothing is never presented as being all knowing, just powerful and deadly) or he didn't want to give away too much. Fun to torment Atreyu, too dangerous to tell him the truth.
27th Aug '15 9:55:31 PM PurrElise
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Or at least choosing his words carefully. Fantasia isn't the realm of the fantasies of all of mankind, it's the world born of the imagination of one specific person at a time. The one that dreamed up Fantasia? Moon Child. When she died, Fantasis passed onto her son who was the only person in the world to be as greater dreamer as she was. So why is Fantasia dying? Because Bastian is so broken up with grief over his mother's death, that he can't dream as he once did. The description of the Nothing and its effects sound very similar to depression caused by grief. A dead emptiness, a loss of hope, an inability to imagine or dream, etc. The Nothing is a manifestation of Bastian's depression. Hell, it's servant is a literal black dog that pursues the story's protagonist who is part of Bastian. This explains why the Nothing is a recent phenomenon and why Bastian finally starting to move beyond his grief and be able to dream again, is what destroys it. The explanation that's sort of given as to why the Nothing has just now suddenly started to appear is the usual NewMediaAreEvil excuse. But that doesn't really make sense when you think about it. For one, TV and video games rotting a person's brain is suspect anyway. Plus, Fantasia is meant to be human fantasy, not just ''book'' human fantasy. So, what, people like Disney, Miyazaki and Newell have no imagination? Don't buy it for a second. Human fantasy may be evolving with new media, but it isn't dying. Finally there's just the sheer numbers to contend with. There're more people alive in Bastian's time than have ever been. So even if ninety percent of human beings had lost the ability to dream through watching TV, there still should be enough left to keep Fantasia alive. What about cultures that have no new media? Don't they count? Anyway, Bastian pushes through the funk he'd been lost in, decides to dream again and Fantasia is healed. When he dies, it'll pass onto someone else and keep on going forever that way.

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Or at least choosing his words carefully. Fantasia isn't the realm of the fantasies of all of mankind, it's the world born of the imagination of one specific person at a time. The one that dreamed up Fantasia? Moon Child. When she died, Fantasis passed onto her son who was the only person in the world to be as greater dreamer as she was. So why is Fantasia dying? Because Bastian is so broken up with grief over his mother's death, that he can't dream as he once did. The description of the Nothing and its effects sound very similar to depression caused by grief. A dead emptiness, a loss of hope, an inability to imagine or dream, etc. The Nothing is a manifestation of Bastian's depression. Hell, it's servant is a literal black dog that pursues the story's protagonist who is part of Bastian. This explains why the Nothing is a recent phenomenon and why Bastian finally starting to move beyond his grief and be able to dream again, is what destroys it. The explanation that's sort of given as to why the Nothing has just now suddenly started to appear is the usual NewMediaAreEvil excuse. But that doesn't really make sense when you think about it. For one, TV and video games rotting a person's brain is suspect anyway. Plus, Fantasia is meant to be human fantasy, not just ''book'' human fantasy. So, what, people like Disney, Miyazaki and Newell have no imagination? Don't buy it for a second. Human fantasy may be evolving with new media, but it isn't dying. Finally there's just the sheer numbers to contend with. There're more people alive in Bastian's time than have ever been. So even if ninety percent of human beings had lost the ability to dream through watching TV, there still should be enough left to keep Fantasia alive. What about cultures that have no new media? Don't they count? Anyway, Bastian pushes through the funk he'd been lost in, decides to dream again and Fantasia is healed. When he dies, it'll pass onto someone else and keep on going forever that way.
way. As for why the G'mork lied to Ateyu, either he just didn't know (why would he? The Nothing is never presented as being all knowing, just powerful and deadly) or he didn't want to give away too much. Fun to torment Atreyu, too dangerous to tell him the truth.
27th Aug '15 9:50:54 PM PurrElise
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Or at least choosing his words carefully. Fantasia isn't the realm of the fantasies of all of mankind, it's the world born of the imagination of one specific person at a time. The one that dreamed up Fantasia? Moon Child. When she died, Fantasis passed onto her son who was the only person in the world to be as greater dreamer as she was. So why is Fantasia dying? Because Bastian is so broken up with grief over his mother's death, that he can't dream as he once did. The description of the Nothing and its effects sound very similar to depression caused by grief. A dead emptiness, a loss of hope, an inability to imagine or dream, etc. The Nothing is a manifestation of Bastian's depression. Hell, it's servant is a literal black dog that pursues the story's protagonist who is part of Bastian. This explains why the Nothing is a recent phenomenon and why Bastian finally starting to move beyond his grief and be able to dream again, is what destroys it. The explanation that's sort of given as to why the Nothing has just now suddenly started to appear is the usual NewMediaIsEvil excuse. But that doesn't really make sense when you think about it. For one, TV and video games rotting a person's brain is suspect anyway. Plus, Fantasia is meant to be human fantasy, not just ''book'' human fantasy. So, what, people like Disney, Miyazaki and Newell have no imagination? Don't buy it for a second. Human fantasy may be evolving with new media, but it isn't dying. Finally there's just the sheer numbers to contend with. There're more people alive in Bastian's time than have ever been. So even if ninety percent of human beings had lost the ability to dream through watching TV, there still should be enough left to keep Fantasia alive. What about cultures that have no new media? Don't they count? Anyway, Bastian pushes through the funk he'd been lost in, decides to dream again and Fantasia is healed. When he dies, it'll pass onto someone else and keep on going forever that way.

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Or at least choosing his words carefully. Fantasia isn't the realm of the fantasies of all of mankind, it's the world born of the imagination of one specific person at a time. The one that dreamed up Fantasia? Moon Child. When she died, Fantasis passed onto her son who was the only person in the world to be as greater dreamer as she was. So why is Fantasia dying? Because Bastian is so broken up with grief over his mother's death, that he can't dream as he once did. The description of the Nothing and its effects sound very similar to depression caused by grief. A dead emptiness, a loss of hope, an inability to imagine or dream, etc. The Nothing is a manifestation of Bastian's depression. Hell, it's servant is a literal black dog that pursues the story's protagonist who is part of Bastian. This explains why the Nothing is a recent phenomenon and why Bastian finally starting to move beyond his grief and be able to dream again, is what destroys it. The explanation that's sort of given as to why the Nothing has just now suddenly started to appear is the usual NewMediaIsEvil NewMediaAreEvil excuse. But that doesn't really make sense when you think about it. For one, TV and video games rotting a person's brain is suspect anyway. Plus, Fantasia is meant to be human fantasy, not just ''book'' human fantasy. So, what, people like Disney, Miyazaki and Newell have no imagination? Don't buy it for a second. Human fantasy may be evolving with new media, but it isn't dying. Finally there's just the sheer numbers to contend with. There're more people alive in Bastian's time than have ever been. So even if ninety percent of human beings had lost the ability to dream through watching TV, there still should be enough left to keep Fantasia alive. What about cultures that have no new media? Don't they count? Anyway, Bastian pushes through the funk he'd been lost in, decides to dream again and Fantasia is healed. When he dies, it'll pass onto someone else and keep on going forever that way.
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