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16th Oct '17 6:41:28 AM Sinister_Sandwich
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[[WMG: The Valar/Eru sent Gandalf specifically to take out Smaug and Durin's Bane]]

Gandalf could have just run with the rest of the Fellowship when the Balrog ambushed them, but instead he stopped to challenge it on his own, leading to his death. Why would he do such a thing?

The Valar know that these terrible creatures still exist, and that if they allied with Sauron the situation in Middle-Earth would become so desperate that they would be forced to intervene, leading to another War of Wrath (which the Valar wanted to avoid at all costs.)

To deal with these threats and others, the Valar send the Istari to travel Middle-Earth influencing events. But Gandalf wasn't aware that he himself was being influenced, and thanks to fate he ends up as the only being standing between the Balrog and the outside world.

In the book he says "A Balrog... now I understand," and in the films he has a pained expression on his face, but they both mean the same thing: After centuries of wandering his purpose is finally revealed, too late for him to avoid it. Gandalf knows that destroying the Balrog will destroy him too, and grimly accepts his task.
8th Oct '17 3:11:33 AM MicoolTNT
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[[WMG: The popular MERP(Middle-Earth Role Playing) mod for Skyrim was brought down not by a C&D from the Warner Brothers alone, but by The WebOriginal/ProtectorsOfThePlotContinuum as well.]]
* For those of you who don't know, MERP was a popular mod that was ported from TheElderScrollsOblivion to TheElderScrollsSkyrim that would have been a total conversion of the game to a LOTR setting had Warner Brothers not brought it down with a C&D. And the PPC is a fanfiction group of [[MarySueHunter Sue Hunters]] that really, really hate [[MarySue Mary Sues]] and also hate the concept of the "Tenth Walker"(adding a tenth member to the fellowship in many fanfics) as it leads to a lot of Mary Sues emerging from these stories. With the ability of the mod for you to be the Tenth Walker, or the Ringbearer it self had it been completed, it might have led to many badfics emerging due to the mod. So, guess what they did? Kill the mod developers and make it look like WB was behind it.

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[[WMG: %%[[WMG: The popular MERP(Middle-Earth Role Playing) mod for Skyrim was brought down not by a C&D from the Warner Brothers alone, but by The WebOriginal/ProtectorsOfThePlotContinuum as well.]]
* %%* For those of you who don't know, MERP was a popular mod that was ported from TheElderScrollsOblivion to TheElderScrollsSkyrim that would have been a total conversion of the game to a LOTR setting had Warner Brothers not brought it down with a C&D. And the PPC is a fanfiction group of [[MarySueHunter Sue Hunters]] that really, really hate [[MarySue Mary Sues]] and also hate the concept of the "Tenth Walker"(adding a tenth member to the fellowship in many fanfics) as it leads to a lot of Mary Sues emerging from these stories. With the ability of the mod for you to be the Tenth Walker, or the Ringbearer it self had it been completed, it might have led to many badfics emerging due to the mod. So, guess what they did? Kill the mod developers and make it look like WB was behind it.
27th Jul '17 7:48:34 AM HazelMcCallister
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* It's possible, but an Easterling language (none of which are attested apart from a handful of pre-Third Age personal names) would be better-placed at that time to spread the way PIE is believed to have. And since, in Tolkien's history, the early Edain also came from the east, it's likely that Adunaic and the Easterling languages share many of the same influences, therefore any similarities between Adunaic and Indo-European languages might also have been shared by one or more Easterling languages, and not indicate a special relationship between Adunaic and IE.
17th Jun '17 1:28:44 PM nombretomado
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*** What has Hedy Lamarr inventing FHSS (and she didn't; the Germans used it in WW1) got to do with LOTR? I don't understand. Please explain!

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*** What has Hedy Lamarr inventing FHSS (and she didn't; the Germans used it in WW1) UsefulNotes/WW1) got to do with LOTR? I don't understand. Please explain!
8th Jun '17 8:23:15 AM HazelMcCallister
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*** Indo-Europeans aren't a monolithic "stock." Population-wise, Europeans at the dawn of recorded history developed from a mingling of Paleolithic hunter-gatherers (with a little contribution from the Neanderthals), Neolithic farmers, and Bronze Age migrants whom some researchers believe were the proto-Indo-Europeans. In the context of Tolkien, the peoples of Gondor, Eriador, Rhovanion, etc. comprise late Neolithic Europe (what some archaeologists call "Old Europe") while some group of Easterlings, presumably related to the Wainriders, will enter western Middle-earth a millennium or two after the fall of Barad-dûr (c. 4000 BC) representing the arrival of proto-Indo-European. It is plausible that the Northmen, with the addition of some Easterling migrants, roughly "map" to the ancestors of the Germanic tribes (keeping in mind of course that the representation of the Rohirric language as Old English at the time of LotR is pure TranslationConvention), that the Gondorians + Easterlings become Southern Europeans, etc. We can even entertain the idea that Westron, Rohirric, Adûnaic and so on formed substrates in modern Indo-European branches.
8th Jun '17 7:17:27 AM HazelMcCallister
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** Not really jossed. The Dwarves ''resemble'' Jews, narratively and linguistically (in the same way that Sindarin resembles Welsh), but don't forget that Middle-earth is just Earth in the distant past. The actual ancestors of the Jews (and of Zoroaster's Airya tribe) are already out there among the races of Men, presumably in Rhun (which corresponds to Asia).
12th May '17 5:37:42 AM Parthidens
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*There's a theory floating around that the Witch-King is the Numenorean Isilmo. Isilmo was the son, brother and father of rulers of Numenor (his father was Tar-Surion, his sister was Tar-Telperien, and his son was Tar-Minastir), but never got on the throne himself. If Sauron showed up and offered him a kingdom of his own, the temptation would have been hard to resist.
2nd Apr '17 12:08:22 PM DustSnitch
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* Tom Bombadil is {{Jesus}}, Tom shows many signs of being Eru aka God, in fact the only reason Tom can't be Eru ''specifically'' is that Tolkien himself said that Eru has no physical incarnation on Middle-Earth, however all of the reasons for Tom being Eru work just as well as him being Jesus without the WordOfGod denying it.

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* Tom Bombadil is {{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}}, Tom shows many signs of being Eru aka God, in fact the only reason Tom can't be Eru ''specifically'' is that Tolkien himself said that Eru has no physical incarnation on Middle-Earth, however all of the reasons for Tom being Eru work just as well as him being Jesus without the WordOfGod denying it.
5th Mar '17 12:22:02 AM RHCPFan
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[[WMG: The Elves going into the West are feeding Sauron's armies.]]

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* Mordor isn't on the East side of the world, nor does it have a coastline. There is land past Mordor and below Mordor.
3rd Mar '17 4:06:10 PM Sirocco
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*Finrod Felagund was also a telepath : when he met Men for the first time, they did not speak the same language but he could understand whatever it was they were saying at the time by reaching to their mind. Legolas also claims to hear the stones' thoughts while in Eregion, so telepathy is clearly an Elvish power that could have been passed to the Dùnedain, albeit diminished.


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[[WMG: Sauron planned an ethnic cleansing of the Orcs]]
Sauron is a known [[LawfulEvil control freak]] who wants everything to be perfectly ordered and efficient, which contrasts nicely with his former boss more [[ChaoticEvil versatile personnality]]. The orcs are much more like Morgoth than Sauron, with their constant infighting and wanton destruction. While Sauron keeps them around because they are good at killing stuff, he does not seem to trust them that much : every [[TheDragon high ranking trusted servant]] of his is either a Man or a [[TheUndead former Man]] save ([[AmbiguouslyHuman maybe]]) for Gothmog, Men also make up a large part of his armies. The existence of specialized breeds of Orcs and of the Uruk-Hai, who are better in every way than the rest of the Orcs, shows that he was tinkering with Orcs, trying to bring them to his standard. Had he won, the entire Orc race would have been progressively replaced by Uruk-Hai only, and once he had control of the whole of ME, [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness and the Orcs had therefore served their purpose]], finally wiped out to make way for a purely Mannish empire with [[PhysicalGod Sauron]] at the top, fullfiling the prophecy of [[ExactWords the domination of Men]].

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