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27th Jul '17 7:48:34 AM HazelMcCallister
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* It's possible, but an Easterling language (none of which are attested apart from a handful of pre-Third Age personal names) would be better-placed at that time to spread the way PIE is believed to have. And since, in Tolkien's history, the early Edain also came from the east, it's likely that Adunaic and the Easterling languages share many of the same influences, therefore any similarities between Adunaic and Indo-European languages might also have been shared by one or more Easterling languages, and not indicate a special relationship between Adunaic and IE.
17th Jun '17 1:28:44 PM nombretomado
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*** What has Hedy Lamarr inventing FHSS (and she didn't; the Germans used it in WW1) got to do with LOTR? I don't understand. Please explain!

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*** What has Hedy Lamarr inventing FHSS (and she didn't; the Germans used it in WW1) UsefulNotes/WW1) got to do with LOTR? I don't understand. Please explain!
8th Jun '17 8:23:15 AM HazelMcCallister
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*** Indo-Europeans aren't a monolithic "stock." Population-wise, Europeans at the dawn of recorded history developed from a mingling of Paleolithic hunter-gatherers (with a little contribution from the Neanderthals), Neolithic farmers, and Bronze Age migrants whom some researchers believe were the proto-Indo-Europeans. In the context of Tolkien, the peoples of Gondor, Eriador, Rhovanion, etc. comprise late Neolithic Europe (what some archaeologists call "Old Europe") while some group of Easterlings, presumably related to the Wainriders, will enter western Middle-earth a millennium or two after the fall of Barad-dûr (c. 4000 BC) representing the arrival of proto-Indo-European. It is plausible that the Northmen, with the addition of some Easterling migrants, roughly "map" to the ancestors of the Germanic tribes (keeping in mind of course that the representation of the Rohirric language as Old English at the time of LotR is pure TranslationConvention), that the Gondorians + Easterlings become Southern Europeans, etc. We can even entertain the idea that Westron, Rohirric, Adûnaic and so on formed substrates in modern Indo-European branches.
8th Jun '17 7:17:27 AM HazelMcCallister
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** Not really jossed. The Dwarves ''resemble'' Jews, narratively and linguistically (in the same way that Sindarin resembles Welsh), but don't forget that Middle-earth is just Earth in the distant past. The actual ancestors of the Jews (and of Zoroaster's Airya tribe) are already out there among the races of Men, presumably in Rhun (which corresponds to Asia).
12th May '17 5:37:42 AM Parthidens
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*There's a theory floating around that the Witch-King is the Numenorean Isilmo. Isilmo was the son, brother and father of rulers of Numenor (his father was Tar-Surion, his sister was Tar-Telperien, and his son was Tar-Minastir), but never got on the throne himself. If Sauron showed up and offered him a kingdom of his own, the temptation would have been hard to resist.
2nd Apr '17 12:08:22 PM DustSnitch
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* Tom Bombadil is {{Jesus}}, Tom shows many signs of being Eru aka God, in fact the only reason Tom can't be Eru ''specifically'' is that Tolkien himself said that Eru has no physical incarnation on Middle-Earth, however all of the reasons for Tom being Eru work just as well as him being Jesus without the WordOfGod denying it.

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* Tom Bombadil is {{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}}, Tom shows many signs of being Eru aka God, in fact the only reason Tom can't be Eru ''specifically'' is that Tolkien himself said that Eru has no physical incarnation on Middle-Earth, however all of the reasons for Tom being Eru work just as well as him being Jesus without the WordOfGod denying it.
5th Mar '17 12:22:02 AM RHCPFan
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[[WMG: The Elves going into the West are feeding Sauron's armies.]]

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* Mordor isn't on the East side of the world, nor does it have a coastline. There is land past Mordor and below Mordor.
3rd Mar '17 4:06:10 PM Sirocco
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*Finrod Felagund was also a telepath : when he met Men for the first time, they did not speak the same language but he could understand whatever it was they were saying at the time by reaching to their mind. Legolas also claims to hear the stones' thoughts while in Eregion, so telepathy is clearly an Elvish power that could have been passed to the Dùnedain, albeit diminished.


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[[WMG: Sauron planned an ethnic cleansing of the Orcs]]
Sauron is a known [[LawfulEvil control freak]] who wants everything to be perfectly ordered and efficient, which contrasts nicely with his former boss more [[ChaoticEvil versatile personnality]]. The orcs are much more like Morgoth than Sauron, with their constant infighting and wanton destruction. While Sauron keeps them around because they are good at killing stuff, he does not seem to trust them that much : every [[TheDragon high ranking trusted servant]] of his is either a Man or a [[TheUndead former Man]] save ([[AmbiguouslyHuman maybe]]) for Gothmog, Men also make up a large part of his armies. The existence of specialized breeds of Orcs and of the Uruk-Hai, who are better in every way than the rest of the Orcs, shows that he was tinkering with Orcs, trying to bring them to his standard. Had he won, the entire Orc race would have been progressively replaced by Uruk-Hai only, and once he had control of the whole of ME, [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness and the Orcs had therefore served their purpose]], finally wiped out to make way for a purely Mannish empire with [[PhysicalGod Sauron]] at the top, fullfiling the prophecy of [[ExactWords the domination of Men]].

25th Feb '17 5:16:19 PM MawofWinter
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* Maybe Gandalf did not use the eagles, because eagles could not fly that far carrying passengers. Note that whenever Gandalf uses eagles for transportation (once to escape Isengard, once to save Frodo and Sam from Mount Doom and once in Hobbit to escape orcs), the flights are always rather short. Maybe the eagles are too small to carry such heavy loads for far. Also note that the lizards ringwraiths use as flying mounts are much bigger than eagles and thus the weight of the passenger is not as great a strain in overland travel.
12th Feb '17 3:25:05 PM StFan
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* Mordor may maintain a fleet of flying creatures to secure their airspace. These may either be present in great numbers or very powerful allowing them to destroy or repel any push into their territory towards Mount Doom (Sauron knows its the only way to destroy the ring and air travel by eagle is a pretty fast way to get there). Eagles are large and may find it hard to avoid the detection and interception capabilities of Mordor or knowing that this would be an efficient way to destroy the ring, specialized defences may be in place against the most viable methods in by air. Flyers definitely exist in the Mordor forces as we see the dragon like creatures being deployed against Mordor's enemies. They may not show up in greater numbers because they are busy protecting their airspace. It would look pretty stupid for Mordor to flood Minas Tirith with flyers only for Frodo to push into Mordor with a large force of eagles, overwhelm what defences are left at Mount Doom and then drop the ring in.

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* Mordor may maintain a fleet of flying creatures to secure their airspace. These may either be present in great numbers or very powerful allowing them to destroy or repel any push into their territory towards Mount Doom (Sauron knows its the only way to destroy the ring and air travel by eagle is a pretty fast way to get there). Eagles are large and may find it hard to avoid the detection and interception capabilities of Mordor or knowing that this would be an efficient way to destroy the ring, specialized defences may be in place against the most viable methods in by air. Flyers definitely exist in the Mordor forces as we see the dragon like dragon-like creatures being deployed against Mordor's enemies. They may not show up in greater numbers because they are busy protecting their airspace. It would look pretty stupid for Mordor to flood Minas Tirith with flyers only for Frodo to push into Mordor with a large force of eagles, overwhelm what defences are left at Mount Doom and then drop the ring in.



* As for why they could use Eagles to get back--well, by that point, Sauron's power was broken, so the Eagles no longer had to worry about Mordor's defenses.

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* As for why they could use Eagles to get back--well, back -- well, by that point, Sauron's power was broken, so the Eagles no longer had to worry about Mordor's defenses.



* Alternately, there's [[http://www.tickld.com/x/this-guy-just-changed-the-way-we-see-lord-of-the-rings-mind-blown this theory]] that Gandalf's original plan ''was'' to use Eagles, but he had to keep the plan secret--even from the other members of the Fellowship, as, if captured, they could be tortured into giving away the plan. He chose his path in a way that would allow him to meet the Eagles in a hidden area but designed it to avoid rousing Sauron and Saruman's suspicions. However, when forced to go through Moria, he ended up having to fight the Balrog, and never got a chance to tell the plan to the others.

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* Alternately, there's [[http://www.tickld.com/x/this-guy-just-changed-the-way-we-see-lord-of-the-rings-mind-blown this theory]] that Gandalf's original plan ''was'' to use Eagles, but he had to keep the plan secret--even secret -- even from the other members of the Fellowship, as, if captured, they could be tortured into giving away the plan. He chose his path in a way that would allow him to meet the Eagles in a hidden area but designed it to avoid rousing Sauron and Saruman's suspicions. However, when forced to go through Moria, he ended up having to fight the Balrog, and never got a chance to tell the plan to the others.



** Computer enhancement of Boll's interview photo reveals a suspicious looking pair of "beading projects," apparently marked with the Tengwar for "McG" and "P.W.S.And."

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** Computer enhancement of Boll's interview photo reveals a suspicious looking pair of "beading projects," apparently marked with the Tengwar for "McG" "[=McG=]" and "P.W.S.And."
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