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25th Feb '17 5:16:19 PM MawofWinter
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* Maybe Gandalf did not use the eagles, because eagles could not fly that far carrying passengers. Note that whenever Gandalf uses eagles for transportation (once to escape Isengard, once to save Frodo and Sam from Mount Doom and once in Hobbit to escape orcs), the flights are always rather short. Maybe the eagles are too small to carry such heavy loads for far. Also note that the lizards ringwraiths use as flying mounts are much bigger than eagles and thus the weight of the passenger is not as great a strain in overland travel.
12th Feb '17 3:25:05 PM StFan
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* Mordor may maintain a fleet of flying creatures to secure their airspace. These may either be present in great numbers or very powerful allowing them to destroy or repel any push into their territory towards Mount Doom (Sauron knows its the only way to destroy the ring and air travel by eagle is a pretty fast way to get there). Eagles are large and may find it hard to avoid the detection and interception capabilities of Mordor or knowing that this would be an efficient way to destroy the ring, specialized defences may be in place against the most viable methods in by air. Flyers definitely exist in the Mordor forces as we see the dragon like creatures being deployed against Mordor's enemies. They may not show up in greater numbers because they are busy protecting their airspace. It would look pretty stupid for Mordor to flood Minas Tirith with flyers only for Frodo to push into Mordor with a large force of eagles, overwhelm what defences are left at Mount Doom and then drop the ring in.

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* Mordor may maintain a fleet of flying creatures to secure their airspace. These may either be present in great numbers or very powerful allowing them to destroy or repel any push into their territory towards Mount Doom (Sauron knows its the only way to destroy the ring and air travel by eagle is a pretty fast way to get there). Eagles are large and may find it hard to avoid the detection and interception capabilities of Mordor or knowing that this would be an efficient way to destroy the ring, specialized defences may be in place against the most viable methods in by air. Flyers definitely exist in the Mordor forces as we see the dragon like dragon-like creatures being deployed against Mordor's enemies. They may not show up in greater numbers because they are busy protecting their airspace. It would look pretty stupid for Mordor to flood Minas Tirith with flyers only for Frodo to push into Mordor with a large force of eagles, overwhelm what defences are left at Mount Doom and then drop the ring in.



* As for why they could use Eagles to get back--well, by that point, Sauron's power was broken, so the Eagles no longer had to worry about Mordor's defenses.

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* As for why they could use Eagles to get back--well, back -- well, by that point, Sauron's power was broken, so the Eagles no longer had to worry about Mordor's defenses.



* Alternately, there's [[http://www.tickld.com/x/this-guy-just-changed-the-way-we-see-lord-of-the-rings-mind-blown this theory]] that Gandalf's original plan ''was'' to use Eagles, but he had to keep the plan secret--even from the other members of the Fellowship, as, if captured, they could be tortured into giving away the plan. He chose his path in a way that would allow him to meet the Eagles in a hidden area but designed it to avoid rousing Sauron and Saruman's suspicions. However, when forced to go through Moria, he ended up having to fight the Balrog, and never got a chance to tell the plan to the others.

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* Alternately, there's [[http://www.tickld.com/x/this-guy-just-changed-the-way-we-see-lord-of-the-rings-mind-blown this theory]] that Gandalf's original plan ''was'' to use Eagles, but he had to keep the plan secret--even secret -- even from the other members of the Fellowship, as, if captured, they could be tortured into giving away the plan. He chose his path in a way that would allow him to meet the Eagles in a hidden area but designed it to avoid rousing Sauron and Saruman's suspicions. However, when forced to go through Moria, he ended up having to fight the Balrog, and never got a chance to tell the plan to the others.



** Computer enhancement of Boll's interview photo reveals a suspicious looking pair of "beading projects," apparently marked with the Tengwar for "McG" and "P.W.S.And."

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** Computer enhancement of Boll's interview photo reveals a suspicious looking pair of "beading projects," apparently marked with the Tengwar for "McG" "[=McG=]" and "P.W.S.And."
14th Jan '17 11:17:14 PM Emperor_Oshron
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** Extrapolating from that, most of the setting of the ''Conan'' stories is synonymous to Middle-earth and the regions as labeled in Middle-earth are lesser-known academic terms for those of the Hyborean Age.
2nd Jan '17 1:17:04 PM morane
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[[WMG:''Tje Downfall of the Lord of the Rings and the Return of the King'' is propaganda fabricated by Aragorn to justify his military coup.]]

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[[WMG:''Tje [[WMG:''The Downfall of the Lord of the Rings and the Return of the King'' is propaganda fabricated by Aragorn to justify his military coup.]]
2nd Jan '17 1:08:45 PM morane
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[[WMG:''Tje Downfall of the Lord of the Rings and the Return of the King'' is propaganda fabricated by Aragorn to justify his military coup.]]
Technically Aragorn's rise to the throne of Gondor was a miltary coup. After Gandalf had driven the High Steward Denethor to suicide, a power vacuum existed in Minas Tirith, and mercenary captain Aragorn, who had led the Gondorian troops to victory at Pelennor Fields, seized power. The legitimacy of his claim was extremely weak, and he needed the support of the nobility and bourgeoisie of Gondor. LOTR was fabricated by kingmaker Imrahil to justify Aragorn's claim and keep the pro-Faramirian faction satisfied. Aragorn's politics of external affairs were extremely aggressive: he waged wars of conquest both at east and south. Likewise, instead of building schools, hospitals and infrastructure he spent public funds on luxuries and extravagant follies at Minas Tirith. Aragorn was a great warlord but a poor king, and he needed propaganda to justify his reign.
18th Dec '16 2:16:59 PM zacheus
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* Ungoliant's counterpart. Ungoliant is a spirit of an unknown kind, outside the order of the Ainur, implied to have originated with Creation as a living embodiment of Darkness. Her spawn, Shelob, is described as having no use for the Ring, because her only interest is Hunger. Bombadil is equal and opposite, the personification of Light: good because that's his nature, completely content with what he has (ie, the exact opposite of Hunger), but also with a might incredible enough to resist Sauron yet put him in a position where he would fall if all else fell, just as Ungoliant could bring fear to Melkor yet still be driven back by his Balrogs. Like Ungoliant, he is oldest and fatherless because he emerged with creation itself, perhaps as a note of the Music. He has no interest in the Ring because, like Ungoliant, he is blinkered by his nature as Light incarnate.
10th Dec '16 11:04:28 AM nombretomado
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* Interestingly, placing the Fourth Age some time after the sinking of "Atlantis" (obviously a corrupted form of the Quenya name for Númenor, despite what Tolkien himself claimed) and before the last ice age places it in the same time frame as the [[ConanTheBarbarian Hyborean Age]]

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* Interestingly, placing the Fourth Age some time after the sinking of "Atlantis" (obviously a corrupted form of the Quenya name for Númenor, despite what Tolkien himself claimed) and before the last ice age places it in the same time frame as the [[ConanTheBarbarian [[Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian Hyborean Age]]
27th Nov '16 2:49:40 PM nombretomado
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** Or maybe he was just hanging around Middle-Earth during that hundred-year-or-so period when he was kept out of {{Narnia}} by the White Witch.

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** Or maybe he was just hanging around Middle-Earth during that hundred-year-or-so period when he was kept out of {{Narnia}} [[Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia Narnia]] by the White Witch.
28th Oct '16 3:27:29 PM dlchen145
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* [[{{God}} The One]], aka Eru aka Ilúvatar. The Ring has no affect on him whatsoever, and in fact, he makes the Ring disappear briefly! When Frodo puts on the Ring, it is said he is putting one foot in the Wraith world and if he wears it too long, risks becoming a wraith. But the "wraith world" is not necessarily an evil place, for, because of the Ring, Frodo is able to see Glorfindel's "other side" the side that exists in the "wraith" or "spirit" world when Glorfindel goes all {{Badass}} at the Ford of Bruinen. Tom does not disappear when he puts on the Ring, because the Ring has nowhere to pull him to, he already exists totally on "the other side" as the One. In a way, by making the Ring disappear, Tom is pulling the Ring all the way over to "the other side" with himself. Gandalf remarks at the Council of Elrond to the affect that it is notsomuch that Tom has power over the Ring as that the Ring has no power over him, which fits in with Tom as the One, since a creation cannot be higher than the Creator, but the One being a Creator that doesn't muck around with the free will of his creations (but doesn't mind extending a helping hand every now and again). Even Tom's habit of incessant singing fits this theory.

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* [[{{God}} The One]], aka Eru aka Ilúvatar. The Ring has no affect on him whatsoever, and in fact, he makes the Ring disappear briefly! When Frodo puts on the Ring, it is said he is putting one foot in the Wraith world and if he wears it too long, risks becoming a wraith. But the "wraith world" is not necessarily an evil place, for, because of the Ring, Frodo is able to see Glorfindel's "other side" the side that exists in the "wraith" or "spirit" world when Glorfindel goes all {{Badass}} badass at the Ford of Bruinen. Tom does not disappear when he puts on the Ring, because the Ring has nowhere to pull him to, he already exists totally on "the other side" as the One. In a way, by making the Ring disappear, Tom is pulling the Ring all the way over to "the other side" with himself. Gandalf remarks at the Council of Elrond to the affect that it is notsomuch that Tom has power over the Ring as that the Ring has no power over him, which fits in with Tom as the One, since a creation cannot be higher than the Creator, but the One being a Creator that doesn't muck around with the free will of his creations (but doesn't mind extending a helping hand every now and again). Even Tom's habit of incessant singing fits this theory.



There's the first one: "Macbeth shall never vanquished be until Great Birnam Wood to high Dunsinane Hill shall come against him". ''"Cool!''" Johnny Tolkien thought to himself. ''"An evil king who gets defeated by an army of {{badass}} walking trees? What a perfect ending!"'' He was dismayed, though, when he found out that the prophecy actually meant: "Macbeth will be vanquished when Macduff's soldiers hold up a bunch of tree limbs and make it look vaguely like the forest is moving". So he vowed that when he wrote his own story, he would include ''actual'' marching trees. Hence, he gave us the Ents, who defeat Saruman by marching against Isengard.\\

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There's the first one: "Macbeth shall never vanquished be until Great Birnam Wood to high Dunsinane Hill shall come against him". ''"Cool!''" Johnny Tolkien thought to himself. ''"An evil king who gets defeated by an army of {{badass}} badass walking trees? What a perfect ending!"'' He was dismayed, though, when he found out that the prophecy actually meant: "Macbeth will be vanquished when Macduff's soldiers hold up a bunch of tree limbs and make it look vaguely like the forest is moving". So he vowed that when he wrote his own story, he would include ''actual'' marching trees. Hence, he gave us the Ents, who defeat Saruman by marching against Isengard.\\
28th Oct '16 3:05:05 PM Tamfang
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The whole point of crossing the Misty Mountains (over or under) was to avoid going too near Isengard. But that could have been done by an easier though longer road: follow the river Bruinen/Mitheithel/Gwathló from Imladris to the ocean, and enter Gondor from the west.

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The whole point of crossing the Misty Mountains (over or under) was to avoid going too near Isengard. But Isengard (and see how well that could have been done by worked out). The map suggests an easier though longer road: way: follow the river Bruinen/Mitheithel/Gwathló from Imladris to the ocean, Sea, and enter Gondor from the west.
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