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14th Sep '16 10:17:19 AM Daethalion
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* Dinosaurs.
14th Sep '16 10:08:26 AM Daethalion
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** Tom making the Ring disappear was described in a manner that makes it pretty clear he pulled a simple coin trick on the hobbits to mess with them.
7th Sep '16 6:43:33 AM MrUnderhill
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* Except that the second prophesy in Macbeth was "none of woman born
shall harm Macbeth." Shakespeare was aware of prophesy twists, and didn't leave something that obvious lying around.

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* Except that the second prophesy in Macbeth was "none of woman born
born shall harm Macbeth." Macbeth," which also includes women. Shakespeare was aware of prophesy twists, and didn't leave something that obvious lying around.
4th Sep '16 4:04:18 PM Emperor_Oshron
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* This also fits with many of the mythological origins of the story: in the ''Nibelungenlied'', the dragon Fafnir was originally a dwarf transformed into a monster by his greed for the treasure he guarded, and Siegfried's companion Reginn (also a dwarf) was Fafnir's brother.
19th Aug '16 2:42:40 PM SamTheAwesome
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* Tolkien was actually trying to recreate the lost mythology of Ancient England! Some of the influences from Norse and Danish mythology were things he believed were originally from the lost English myths.


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[[WMG:Westron, the language of Middle-earth, is actually Proto-Indo-European language!]]
Proto-Into-European was the predecessor to modern European and Indian languages, and was spoken in Europe (Middle-earth) around the time of Lord of the Rings! (roughly 4,000 BC) It is just a reconstruction, as no written examples are known. Therefore, we don't know what the people who spoke it actually called it. No written examples except, perhaps, the Red Book of Westmarch! Tolkien translated it but didn't tell anyone that Proto-Indo-European and Westron are one and the same!
13th Aug '16 6:06:03 AM DestinyPlayer
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** Tom could be a wholly different Ainur who slipped into Arda without the other Valar knowing, or even knowing but not caring, and thus him not being in any myths.
9th Aug '16 1:10:41 PM livestockgeorge
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** The Ringwraiths would not have been elf-friends; Sauron wouldn't have entrusted the Nine Rings to them if they were, and four of them were from the easter lands where people traditionally didn't get along with elves. Also, the gesture described above is just the ordinary swordsman's salute which 'officially' opens the battle; just about everyone trained in swordsmanship with Western blades does it.

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** The Ringwraiths would not have been elf-friends; Sauron wouldn't have entrusted the Nine Rings to them if they were, and four of them were from the easter Easter lands where people traditionally didn't get along with elves. Also, the gesture described above is just the ordinary swordsman's salute which 'officially' opens the battle; just about everyone trained in swordsmanship with Western blades does it.



Aragorn skillfully employed his ancestry (legitimate although VERY obscure claim), the ancient emblem of Númenor, the military success and being a skilled warlord and commander. As the Steward of Minas Tirith, Denethor, and his son Faramir were played aside, it was easy for Aragorn to seize the power by support of his army.

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Aragorn skillfully employed his ancestry (legitimate (a legitimate although VERY obscure claim), the ancient emblem of Númenor, the military success and being a skilled warlord and commander. As the Steward of Minas Tirith, Denethor, and his son Faramir were played aside, it was easy for Aragorn to seize the power by support of his army.
* Isn't this canon?



Now think: Galadriel can read Frodo's mind quite easily, even while he bears the Ring. It's implied that it's because she wears one of the Elvish rings of power. However, it's also said elsewhere that the Elvish rings only amplify the wearer's native powers, which would mean that she would have had to have been mildly telepathic before gaining the ring. The men of Numenor have a lot of abilities more commonly associated with the Elves, such as long life and the ability to prophecy, so perhaps this weak telepathy is common to the Elves and the Dunedain. As to why Boromir and Denethor never show this ability? One of the first things we learn about Faramir is that he's much, much wiser and more patient than either of them. Perhaps this wisdom and patience allowed him to unlock a long hidden racial talent?

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Now think: Galadriel can read Frodo's mind quite easily, even while he bears the Ring. It's implied that it's because she wears one of the Elvish rings of power. However, it's also said elsewhere that the Elvish rings only amplify the wearer's native powers, which would mean that she would have had to have been mildly telepathic before gaining the ring. The men of Numenor have a lot of abilities more commonly associated with the Elves, such as long life and the ability to prophecy, so perhaps this weak telepathy is common to the Elves and the Dunedain. As to why Boromir and Denethor never show this ability? One of the first things we learn about Faramir is that he's much, much wiser and more patient than either of them.Boromir. Perhaps this wisdom and patience allowed him to unlock a long hidden racial talent?






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\n\n[[WMG: Alternate character interpretation: Gandalf is arrogant and just a bit reckless]]
Think about it! Forget about his portrayal in the movies. In the books, he makes quite a lot of questionable decisions and nearly gets captured or killed as many times as the rest of the Fellowship put together. He also carries himself like a rock-star, if you read carefully enough. In fact, his real talent seems to be getting out of sticky situations (which necessitates getting ''into'' sticky situations first, hardly a desirable trait). Gandalf is a good, redeeming character (not to mention incredibly awesome), but far from the perfect, wise father figure of the movies, he's as fallible and impulsive as any of the mortal characters.

In fact, in Book 2, when Aragorn talks about Gandalf being their last hope, the great, heroic "White Rider" against the black riders of Mordor, I think the reader (who's been following Gandalf much more closely than Aragorn has) is supposed to realize how desperate the situation is. Gandalf is a wonderful ally to have, but if he's your last hope, you might be screwed.
9th Aug '16 12:50:27 PM livestockgeorge
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In the Two Towers, during the two or three chapters where Frodo and Sam stay with Faramir, he has a couple of lines to the effect that he can "discern" that Frodo is telling the truth. Now, Faramir might just be really good at telling if people are lying, but then when Gollum is brought before him, he says something like that he "searched his [Gollum's] mind" and "discerned" that Gollum had committed murder before. It really sounds like he's an empath or a weak telepath. Faramir also makes a lot of the fact that he's descended from Numenor.

Now think: Galadriel can read Frodo's mind quite easily. It's implied that it's because she wears one of the Elvish rings of power. However, it's also said elsewhere that the Elvish rings only amplify the wearer's native powers, which would mean that she would have had to have been mildly telepathic before gaining the ring. The men of Numenor have a lot of abilities more commonly associated with the Elves, such as long life and the ability to prophecy, so perhaps this weak telepathy is common to the Elves and the Dunedain. As to why Boromir and Denethor never show this ability? One of the first things we learn about Faramir is that he's much, much wiser and more patient than either of them. Perhaps this wisdom and patience allowed him to unlock a long hidden racial talent?

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In the latter half of the Two Towers, during the two or three chapters where Frodo and Sam stay with Faramir, he has a couple of lines to the effect that he can "discern" that Frodo is telling the truth. Now, Faramir might just be really good at telling if people are lying, but then when Gollum is brought before him, he barely looks at or speaks with him, but later he says something like that he "searched his [Gollum's] mind" and "discerned" that Gollum had committed murder before. It really sounds like he's an empath or a weak telepath. In the same few chapters, Faramir also makes a lot of the fact that he's descended from Numenor.

Numenor. We also know that both he and his brother have prophetic dreams.

Now think: Galadriel can read Frodo's mind quite easily.easily, even while he bears the Ring. It's implied that it's because she wears one of the Elvish rings of power. However, it's also said elsewhere that the Elvish rings only amplify the wearer's native powers, which would mean that she would have had to have been mildly telepathic before gaining the ring. The men of Numenor have a lot of abilities more commonly associated with the Elves, such as long life and the ability to prophecy, so perhaps this weak telepathy is common to the Elves and the Dunedain. As to why Boromir and Denethor never show this ability? One of the first things we learn about Faramir is that he's much, much wiser and more patient than either of them. Perhaps this wisdom and patience allowed him to unlock a long hidden racial talent?


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[[WMG: Aule was a pretty poor excuse for a Vala]]
Think: He created the Dwarves when he (to the best of his knowledge) wasn't supposed to be creating life at all. Admittedly, this was actually in Eru's plan, but he didn't know that. And then one of his Maiar just happens to turn into the second or third most evil being in the history of the world, one who very nearly covered Middle-Earth in evil and darkness multiple times. I mean Sauron, of course.

Given his prior track record, I'm going to guess that that was partially Aule's fault. Perhaps only to a small degree, but he certainly seems like the most ignorant and morally dubious of the Valar.



4th Aug '16 8:58:08 AM livestockgeorge
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4th Aug '16 8:57:46 AM livestockgeorge
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* I think it's practically canon that the ring's will was a major factor.




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* There's nothing in the book that says he didn't. He may have been a real creep before, but I'm willing to accept that he wasn't evil and that he genuinely loved her before Saruman bought him. I think this is practically canon.

[[WMG: Some men of the Dunedain are mildly telepathic.]]
In the Two Towers, during the two or three chapters where Frodo and Sam stay with Faramir, he has a couple of lines to the effect that he can "discern" that Frodo is telling the truth. Now, Faramir might just be really good at telling if people are lying, but then when Gollum is brought before him, he says something like that he "searched his [Gollum's] mind" and "discerned" that Gollum had committed murder before. It really sounds like he's an empath or a weak telepath. Faramir also makes a lot of the fact that he's descended from Numenor.
Now think: Galadriel can read Frodo's mind quite easily. It's implied that it's because she wears one of the Elvish rings of power. However, it's also said elsewhere that the Elvish rings only amplify the wearer's native powers, which would mean that she would have had to have been mildly telepathic before gaining the ring. The men of Numenor have a lot of abilities more commonly associated with the Elves, such as long life and the ability to prophecy, so perhaps this weak telepathy is common to the Elves and the Dunedain. As to why Boromir and Denethor never show this ability? One of the first things we learn about Faramir is that he's much, much wiser and more patient than either of them. Perhaps this wisdom and patience allowed him to unlock a long hidden racial talent?
Admittedly I'm reaching, but is it really that crazy?
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