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27th Nov '16 2:49:40 PM nombretomado
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** Or maybe he was just hanging around Middle-Earth during that hundred-year-or-so period when he was kept out of {{Narnia}} by the White Witch.

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** Or maybe he was just hanging around Middle-Earth during that hundred-year-or-so period when he was kept out of {{Narnia}} [[Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia Narnia]] by the White Witch.
28th Oct '16 3:27:29 PM dlchen145
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* [[{{God}} The One]], aka Eru aka Ilúvatar. The Ring has no affect on him whatsoever, and in fact, he makes the Ring disappear briefly! When Frodo puts on the Ring, it is said he is putting one foot in the Wraith world and if he wears it too long, risks becoming a wraith. But the "wraith world" is not necessarily an evil place, for, because of the Ring, Frodo is able to see Glorfindel's "other side" the side that exists in the "wraith" or "spirit" world when Glorfindel goes all {{Badass}} at the Ford of Bruinen. Tom does not disappear when he puts on the Ring, because the Ring has nowhere to pull him to, he already exists totally on "the other side" as the One. In a way, by making the Ring disappear, Tom is pulling the Ring all the way over to "the other side" with himself. Gandalf remarks at the Council of Elrond to the affect that it is notsomuch that Tom has power over the Ring as that the Ring has no power over him, which fits in with Tom as the One, since a creation cannot be higher than the Creator, but the One being a Creator that doesn't muck around with the free will of his creations (but doesn't mind extending a helping hand every now and again). Even Tom's habit of incessant singing fits this theory.

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* [[{{God}} The One]], aka Eru aka Ilúvatar. The Ring has no affect on him whatsoever, and in fact, he makes the Ring disappear briefly! When Frodo puts on the Ring, it is said he is putting one foot in the Wraith world and if he wears it too long, risks becoming a wraith. But the "wraith world" is not necessarily an evil place, for, because of the Ring, Frodo is able to see Glorfindel's "other side" the side that exists in the "wraith" or "spirit" world when Glorfindel goes all {{Badass}} badass at the Ford of Bruinen. Tom does not disappear when he puts on the Ring, because the Ring has nowhere to pull him to, he already exists totally on "the other side" as the One. In a way, by making the Ring disappear, Tom is pulling the Ring all the way over to "the other side" with himself. Gandalf remarks at the Council of Elrond to the affect that it is notsomuch that Tom has power over the Ring as that the Ring has no power over him, which fits in with Tom as the One, since a creation cannot be higher than the Creator, but the One being a Creator that doesn't muck around with the free will of his creations (but doesn't mind extending a helping hand every now and again). Even Tom's habit of incessant singing fits this theory.



There's the first one: "Macbeth shall never vanquished be until Great Birnam Wood to high Dunsinane Hill shall come against him". ''"Cool!''" Johnny Tolkien thought to himself. ''"An evil king who gets defeated by an army of {{badass}} walking trees? What a perfect ending!"'' He was dismayed, though, when he found out that the prophecy actually meant: "Macbeth will be vanquished when Macduff's soldiers hold up a bunch of tree limbs and make it look vaguely like the forest is moving". So he vowed that when he wrote his own story, he would include ''actual'' marching trees. Hence, he gave us the Ents, who defeat Saruman by marching against Isengard.\\

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There's the first one: "Macbeth shall never vanquished be until Great Birnam Wood to high Dunsinane Hill shall come against him". ''"Cool!''" Johnny Tolkien thought to himself. ''"An evil king who gets defeated by an army of {{badass}} badass walking trees? What a perfect ending!"'' He was dismayed, though, when he found out that the prophecy actually meant: "Macbeth will be vanquished when Macduff's soldiers hold up a bunch of tree limbs and make it look vaguely like the forest is moving". So he vowed that when he wrote his own story, he would include ''actual'' marching trees. Hence, he gave us the Ents, who defeat Saruman by marching against Isengard.\\
28th Oct '16 3:05:05 PM Tamfang
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The whole point of crossing the Misty Mountains (over or under) was to avoid going too near Isengard. But that could have been done by an easier though longer road: follow the river Bruinen/Mitheithel/Gwathló from Imladris to the ocean, and enter Gondor from the west.

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The whole point of crossing the Misty Mountains (over or under) was to avoid going too near Isengard. But Isengard (and see how well that could have been done by worked out). The map suggests an easier though longer road: way: follow the river Bruinen/Mitheithel/Gwathló from Imladris to the ocean, Sea, and enter Gondor from the west.
28th Oct '16 1:38:31 PM Tamfang
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[[WMG: Why not go southwest?]]
The whole point of crossing the Misty Mountains (over or under) was to avoid going too near Isengard. But that could have been done by an easier though longer road: follow the river Bruinen/Mitheithel/Gwathló from Imladris to the ocean, and enter Gondor from the west.



All the (non-miraculous) facts in the book are mostly true, (Gondor's scholars were unable to cover up events) but put a pro-Gondor spin on everything and created a whole overlay of miracles and magic to justify the notion that Sauron's Ring, an entirely legendary object equivalent to the Holy Grail, had been found in a hobbit hole (!) and that only Frodo, a minor local mystic who believed in elves, could return it to Gondor's rightful fiefdom of Mordor (which had, not un-coincidentally, been recently lost to the infidels) and provide salvation -- not hard work, technological betterment, or resistance against the Númenórean invaders!

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All the (non-miraculous) facts in the book are mostly true, true (Gondor's scholars were unable to cover up events) events), but put a pro-Gondor spin on everything and created a whole overlay of miracles and magic to justify the notion that Sauron's Ring, an entirely legendary object equivalent to the Holy Grail, had been found in a hobbit hole (!) and that only Frodo, a minor local mystic who believed in elves, could return it to Gondor's rightful fiefdom of Mordor (which had, not un-coincidentally, been recently lost to the infidels) and provide salvation -- not hard work, technological betterment, or resistance against the Númenórean invaders!



** Well that's kinda racist. Just because an orc's and orc, they like to kill and destroy?

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** Well that's kinda racist. Just because an orc's and an orc, they like to kill and destroy?



** The Return of the King (because of Bashki being unable to finish his second part,
Treebeard, Shelob, and Saruman's fates are unknown. Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire is not present)

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** The Return of the King (because of Bashki being unable to finish his second part,
part, Treebeard, Shelob, and Saruman's fates are unknown. Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire is not present)
22nd Oct '16 2:10:02 PM PFMF
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[[WMG: Galadriels Prologue is from our perspective]]
It simply dosen´t fit. If Galadriel would have given this statement, "Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it.", in the time of the "War of the Ring" it simply would´t have been true. Because at this time there still were beings around that were there since nearly the dawn of creation. It also was stated by Tolkien that LotR takes place in an imaginary time period of our world. And the prologue also has some other elements of deeper meaning and foreshadowing. (The fall of the nine, as in contrast to the dwarves and elves, who have direct cuts, the human lords fade into black.)
14th Sep '16 10:17:19 AM Daethalion
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* Dinosaurs.
14th Sep '16 10:08:26 AM Daethalion
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** Tom making the Ring disappear was described in a manner that makes it pretty clear he pulled a simple coin trick on the hobbits to mess with them.
7th Sep '16 6:43:33 AM MrUnderhill
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* Except that the second prophesy in Macbeth was "none of woman born
shall harm Macbeth." Shakespeare was aware of prophesy twists, and didn't leave something that obvious lying around.

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* Except that the second prophesy in Macbeth was "none of woman born
born shall harm Macbeth." Macbeth," which also includes women. Shakespeare was aware of prophesy twists, and didn't leave something that obvious lying around.
4th Sep '16 4:04:18 PM Emperor_Oshron
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* This also fits with many of the mythological origins of the story: in the ''Nibelungenlied'', the dragon Fafnir was originally a dwarf transformed into a monster by his greed for the treasure he guarded, and Siegfried's companion Reginn (also a dwarf) was Fafnir's brother.
19th Aug '16 2:42:40 PM SamTheAwesome
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* Tolkien was actually trying to recreate the lost mythology of Ancient England! Some of the influences from Norse and Danish mythology were things he believed were originally from the lost English myths.


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[[WMG:Westron, the language of Middle-earth, is actually Proto-Indo-European language!]]
Proto-Into-European was the predecessor to modern European and Indian languages, and was spoken in Europe (Middle-earth) around the time of Lord of the Rings! (roughly 4,000 BC) It is just a reconstruction, as no written examples are known. Therefore, we don't know what the people who spoke it actually called it. No written examples except, perhaps, the Red Book of Westmarch! Tolkien translated it but didn't tell anyone that Proto-Indo-European and Westron are one and the same!
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