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28th Apr '17 4:20:44 AM Tightwire
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* Humans do exist but through a wild animal's eyes they are strange monsters - they can't talk but they're still horribly dangerous. And they control starlight, and fire, and thunder. Oh, and they're edible.




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* Scar specifically says "We're not going anywhere" and I don't believe he was just talking about the lionesses. He wasn't allowing any hyenas to leave either, even though usually the males will either leave or be kicked out. It wasn't like the hyenas didn't notice things were getting bad.




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* My personal opinion is that Scar had the hyenas kill them. At least one didn't get killed, returned BEFORE Simba, and became the father of Kovu - but didn't have backup, so Scar had the hyenas kill him too.



** I think if Shenzi wasn't the Matriarch why would Scar pay her any attention at all? He wants ALL the hyenas to side with him, and he has to negociate with the boss to make that happen. But I do suspect due to ages given in supplemental material that she was new to the job.




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** It is canon that "Ed knows the score". Still, there's obviously ''something'' wrong in his head.




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* While I don't accept this as MY favoured argumant, it is kind of the best way to keep the lions from looking like complete assholes for banishing the hyenas.




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* I wish I'd thought of something like this before I'd start writing my latest story.


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[[WMG: Shenzi helped Nala escape]]
When Nala was subjected to Scar's Captain Rape-esque behaviour, Nala wanted to escape but she couldn't because hyenas patrol everywhere. Shenzi took pity on her and, because she knew Scar was going crazy, helped her get out to try and find help. She never actually expected Nala to come back with Simba. And because she helped Nala, Nala stood up for the hyenas at the end to Simba and they were simply banished to the Outlands.
25th Apr '17 12:16:16 PM Chris116
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[[WMG: Scar's backstory will be explored.]]
For example, where his scar came from and the origin of his relationship with the hyenas will be explained, most likely drawing inspiration from the [[http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/A_Tale_of_Two_Brothers "A Tale Of Two Brothers" story]].
[[WMG: Ideas and characters removed from the original film will be reinserted here.]]
Several items seen in the original film's [[Trivia/TheLionKing Trivia page]] will be included, such as Nala's brother Mheetu and some of the [[CutSong CutSongs]] as well.
[[WMG: Creator/JonFavreau will enlist some of his usual collaborators to work on the film.]]
For example, John Debney will likely do the music, while incorporating Hans Zimmer's themes from the original. Some of Favreau's actors and friends may also show up. For example:
* Either Creator/SamRockwell or Creator/RobertDowneyJr will play Timon.
* Creator/IdrisElba ''(Film/TheJungleBook2016)'' will play Rafiki or Mufasa.
** Jossed at least with Mufasa, as Creator/JamesEarlJones will reprise the role.
* Neel Sethi ''(Mowgli from Favreau's Jungle Book film)'' will play Simba as a cub.
* Creator/ScarlettJohansson and Creator/LupitaNyongo may play characters as well.
[[WMG: Despite including songs, the film will not be a musical.]]
Much like Favreau's previous [[Film/TheJungleBook2016 Disney work]].
** The song most likely to be dropped from the film is "I Just Can't Wait To Be King" since Favreau seems intent on keeping the trend of his remakes being DarkerAndEdgier, and it clashes too much with his potential vision. It seems to be the most forgotten song of the film as well, in comparison to the big three ("Circle of Life", "Hakuna Matata", "Can You Feel the Love Tonight") and "Be Prepared" (widely considered the [[SignatureSong signature]] VillainSong of Disney).
** Alternatively, songs from the musical/Rhythm of the Pride Lands could be incorporated. "He Lives In You" could be adapted, and be presented in a "[[Disney/{{Moana}} I Know The Way]]" sequence akin to [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/0f/9c/00/0f9c00923b2c1253f0f0ee3d9325e7a6.jpg this]] popular piece of fan art (also reminiscent of ''Disney/BrotherBear''.
[[WMG: It will be DarkerAndEdgier than the original.]]
With an increased amount of deaths and [[AdaptationAngstUpgrade increased angst]] for several characters.
[[WMG: Fitting to the above WMG, the effects of Scar's rule will also be further detailed.]]
For example, his killing of other cubs and his [[NoYay attraction to Nala]]. Attempted coups and rebellions against him may also be shown. The gradual decay of the Pride Lands will also be shown, though we won't see it in all its horrific glory until the end when Simba returns and sees it for himself as in the original film.
[[WMG: Scenes from Film/TheLionKingOneAndAHalf will also be incorporated into the film.]]
E.g. Simba's nightmares and scenes showing Timon and Pumbaa's backstories.
[[WMG: Zira will appear early to avoid RememberTheNewGuy]].
Zira will appear in the film in a case of AdaptationalEarlyAppearance so that she doesn't appear out of nowhere in a sequel. She will flee Pride Rock at the end of the film in a SequelHook, after taking part in the battle and fighting Simba's allies. Potentially her children could appear. The film could portray Zira as CoDragons with Shenzi, with Zira helping engineer Mufasa's death by say, leading the lionesses to hunt far away from the gorge so that they will be too late to help if they are somehow alerted to what's going on. Zira could also get a singing part in "Be Prepared", either singing along to existing lyrics or having a verse to herself.
** And as another wild guess, she will be played by Renee Elise Goldsbury and her part in "Be Prepared" is a furious, epic rap like "[[Theatre/{{Hamilton}} Satisfied]]".
[[WMG: Returning voice actors (besides the already confirmed James Earl Jones)]]
Creator/KharyPayton could reprise his role as Rafiki from ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'', while the ever-popular Creator/JeremyIrons could reprise his role as Scar.
[[WMG: Timon and Pumbaa will be presented as a gay couple]]
Following on from their HoYay in the original film, their actors believing them to be a gay couple, and [=LeFou=] in the ''[[Film/BeautyAndTheBeast2017 Beauty and the Beast]]'' remake, Timon and Pumbaa will be an outright gay couple. However, like [=LeFou=], it will not bear much impact on the plot, and not much if anything will be said about it, but there's no question about what we're seeing either.
[[WMG: Rafiki will be played by a woman like in the Broadway musical]]
Just to give the film another important female character, much like the original reason for Rafiki's GenderFlip in the musical.
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[[/folder]]
[[folder: Predictions for the upcoming LiveActionAdaptation]]
[[WMG: Scar's backstory will be explored.]]
For example, where his scar came from and the origin of his relationship with the hyenas will be explained, most likely drawing inspiration from the [[http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/A_Tale_of_Two_Brothers "A Tale Of Two Brothers" story]].
[[WMG: Ideas and characters removed from the original film will be reinserted here.]]
Several items seen in the original film's [[Trivia/TheLionKing Trivia page]] will be included, such as Nala's brother Mheetu and some of the [[CutSong CutSongs]] as well.
[[WMG: Creator/JonFavreau will enlist some of his usual collaborators to work on the film.]]
For example, John Debney will likely do the music, while incorporating Hans Zimmer's themes from the original. Some of Favreau's actors and friends may also show up. For example:
* Either Creator/SamRockwell or Creator/RobertDowneyJr will play Timon.
* Creator/IdrisElba ''(Film/TheJungleBook2016)'' will play Rafiki or Mufasa.
** Jossed at least with Mufasa, as Creator/JamesEarlJones will reprise the role.
* Neel Sethi ''(Mowgli from Favreau's Jungle Book film)'' will play Simba as a cub.
* Creator/ScarlettJohansson and Creator/LupitaNyongo may play characters as well.
[[WMG: Despite including songs, the film will not be a musical.]]
Much like Favreau's previous [[Film/TheJungleBook2016 Disney work]].
** The song most likely to be dropped from the film is "I Just Can't Wait To Be King" since Favreau seems intent on keeping the trend of his remakes being DarkerAndEdgier, and it clashes too much with his potential vision. It seems to be the most forgotten song of the film as well, in comparison to the big three ("Circle of Life", "Hakuna Matata", "Can You Feel the Love Tonight") and "Be Prepared" (widely considered the [[SignatureSong signature]] VillainSong of Disney).
** Alternatively, songs from the musical/Rhythm of the Pride Lands could be incorporated. "He Lives In You" could be adapted, and be presented in a "[[Disney/{{Moana}} I Know The Way]]" sequence akin to [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/0f/9c/00/0f9c00923b2c1253f0f0ee3d9325e7a6.jpg this]] popular piece of fan art (also reminiscent of ''Disney/BrotherBear''.
[[WMG: It will be DarkerAndEdgier than the original.]]
With an increased amount of deaths and [[AdaptationAngstUpgrade increased angst]] for several characters.
[[WMG: Fitting to the above WMG, the effects of Scar's rule will also be further detailed.]]
For example, his killing of other cubs and his [[NoYay attraction to Nala]]. Attempted coups and rebellions against him may also be shown. The gradual decay of the Pride Lands will also be shown, though we won't see it in all its horrific glory until the end when Simba returns and sees it for himself as in the original film.
[[WMG: Scenes from Film/TheLionKingOneAndAHalf will also be incorporated into the film.]]
E.g. Simba's nightmares and scenes showing Timon and Pumbaa's backstories.
[[WMG: Zira will appear early to avoid RememberTheNewGuy]].
Zira will appear in the film in a case of AdaptationalEarlyAppearance so that she doesn't appear out of nowhere in a sequel. She will flee Pride Rock at the end of the film in a SequelHook, after taking part in the battle and fighting Simba's allies. Potentially her children could appear. The film could portray Zira as CoDragons with Shenzi, with Zira helping engineer Mufasa's death by say, leading the lionesses to hunt far away from the gorge so that they will be too late to help if they are somehow alerted to what's going on. Zira could also get a singing part in "Be Prepared", either singing along to existing lyrics or having a verse to herself.
** And as another wild guess, she will be played by Renee Elise Goldsbury and her part in "Be Prepared" is a furious, epic rap like "[[Theatre/{{Hamilton}} Satisfied]]".
[[WMG: Returning voice actors (besides the already confirmed James Earl Jones)]]
Creator/KharyPayton could reprise his role as Rafiki from ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'', while the ever-popular Creator/JeremyIrons could reprise his role as Scar.
[[WMG: Timon and Pumbaa will be presented as a gay couple]]
Following on from their HoYay in the original film, their actors believing them to be a gay couple, and [=LeFou=] in the ''[[Film/BeautyAndTheBeast2017 Beauty and the Beast]]'' remake, Timon and Pumbaa will be an outright gay couple. However, like [=LeFou=], it will not bear much impact on the plot, and not much if anything will be said about it, but there's no question about what we're seeing either.
[[WMG: Rafiki will be played by a woman like in the Broadway musical]]
Just to give the film another important female character, much like the original reason for Rafiki's GenderFlip in the musical.
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24th Apr '17 9:05:53 PM Chris116
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** Jossed at least with Mufasa, as Creator/JamesEarlJones will reprise the role.



** The song most likely to be dropped from the film is "I Just Can't Wait To Be King" since Favreau seems intent on keeping the trend of his remakes being DarkerAndEdgier, and it clashes too much with his potential vision. It seems to be the most forgotten song of the film as well, in comparison to the big three ("Circle of Life", "Hakuna Matata", "Can You Feel the Love Tonight") and "Be Prepared" (widely considered the [[SignatureSong signature]] VillainSong of Disney).
** Alternatively, songs from the musical/Rhythm of the Pride Lands could be incorporated. "He Lives In You" could be adapted, and be presented in a "[[Disney/{{Moana}} I Know The Way]]" sequence akin to [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/0f/9c/00/0f9c00923b2c1253f0f0ee3d9325e7a6.jpg this]] popular piece of fan art (also reminiscent of ''Disney/BrotherBear''.



For example, his killing of other cubs and his [[NoYay attraction to Nala]]. Attempted coups and rebellions against him may also be shown.

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For example, his killing of other cubs and his [[NoYay attraction to Nala]]. Attempted coups and rebellions against him may also be shown. The gradual decay of the Pride Lands will also be shown, though we won't see it in all its horrific glory until the end when Simba returns and sees it for himself as in the original film.


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[[WMG: Zira will appear early to avoid RememberTheNewGuy]].
Zira will appear in the film in a case of AdaptationalEarlyAppearance so that she doesn't appear out of nowhere in a sequel. She will flee Pride Rock at the end of the film in a SequelHook, after taking part in the battle and fighting Simba's allies. Potentially her children could appear. The film could portray Zira as CoDragons with Shenzi, with Zira helping engineer Mufasa's death by say, leading the lionesses to hunt far away from the gorge so that they will be too late to help if they are somehow alerted to what's going on. Zira could also get a singing part in "Be Prepared", either singing along to existing lyrics or having a verse to herself.
** And as another wild guess, she will be played by Renee Elise Goldsbury and her part in "Be Prepared" is a furious, epic rap like "[[Theatre/{{Hamilton}} Satisfied]]".
[[WMG: Returning voice actors (besides the already confirmed James Earl Jones)]]
Creator/KharyPayton could reprise his role as Rafiki from ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'', while the ever-popular Creator/JeremyIrons could reprise his role as Scar.
[[WMG: Timon and Pumbaa will be presented as a gay couple]]
Following on from their HoYay in the original film, their actors believing them to be a gay couple, and [=LeFou=] in the ''[[Film/BeautyAndTheBeast2017 Beauty and the Beast]]'' remake, Timon and Pumbaa will be an outright gay couple. However, like [=LeFou=], it will not bear much impact on the plot, and not much if anything will be said about it, but there's no question about what we're seeing either.
[[WMG: Rafiki will be played by a woman like in the Broadway musical]]
Just to give the film another important female character, much like the original reason for Rafiki's GenderFlip in the musical.
16th Apr '17 10:01:41 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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Kopa was sent back in time but raised and adopted by a pride which he left when he was of mature age. He decided to return to his 'home' but upon saving Nala who he immediately realised was his mother as a cub, complications arose. Being GenreSavvy about time travel and remembering his mother's story he quickly fabricated some lies about his name and past, per accordingly, and stole the quick chance to return to his home.

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Kopa was sent back in time but raised and adopted by a pride which he left when he was of mature age. He decided to return to his 'home' but upon saving Nala who he immediately realised was his mother as a cub, complications arose. Being GenreSavvy savvy about time travel and remembering his mother's story he quickly fabricated some lies about his name and past, per accordingly, and stole the quick chance to return to his home.
31st Mar '17 7:15:56 AM Awesomesauce210
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He is in ''[[WesternAnimation/{{Hercules}}]], actually that was an InJoke, because the same animator who drew Scar also drew Hercules.

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He is in ''[[WesternAnimation/{{Hercules}}]], actually ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'', although that was an InJoke, because the same animator who drew Scar also drew Hercules.
8th Mar '17 12:43:09 PM mlsmithca
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* Disney then realized how incredibly difficult it would be to get the rights to the anime - it had been in the hands of various animation studios in japan, numerous dubbers, and everything - but it was too far along in pre-production to change most of the story, so they [[SerialNumbersFiledOff changed]] Kimba to Simba, Claw to Scar, and added elements of ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}''. Unfortunately, this still wasn't enough to keep FanDumb from attacking it as a rip-off when it's more like how ''Film/TheMagnificentSeven'' was a re-telling of ''Film/SevenSamurai'', only this time, instead of it being the Seven Samurai [[RecycledInSpace replaced by cowboys]], it was Kimba's characters with the plot of Hamlet, making it a very strange - and ultimately, very [[SoCoolItsAwesome great]] - variation of RecycledInSpace.

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* Disney then realized how incredibly difficult it would be to get the rights to the anime - it had been in the hands of various animation studios in japan, numerous dubbers, and everything - but it was too far along in pre-production to change most of the story, so they [[SerialNumbersFiledOff changed]] Kimba to Simba, Claw to Scar, and added elements of ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}''. Unfortunately, this still wasn't enough to keep FanDumb from attacking it as a rip-off when it's more like how ''Film/TheMagnificentSeven'' was a re-telling of ''Film/SevenSamurai'', only this time, instead of it being the Seven Samurai [[RecycledInSpace replaced by cowboys]], it was Kimba's characters with the plot of Hamlet, making it a very strange - and ultimately, very [[SoCoolItsAwesome [[SugarWiki/SoCoolItsAwesome great]] - variation of RecycledInSpace.
21st Jan '17 5:08:31 AM Rodangizzardcrusher3
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Several items seen in the original film's [[Trivia/TheLionKing Trivia page]] will be included, such as Nala's brother Mheetu and some of the CutSongs as well.

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Several items seen in the original film's [[Trivia/TheLionKing Trivia page]] will be included, such as Nala's brother Mheetu and some of the CutSongs [[CutSong CutSongs]] as well.



* Creator/Scarlett Johansson and Creator/LupitaNyongo may play characters as well.

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* Creator/Scarlett Johansson Creator/ScarlettJohansson and Creator/LupitaNyongo may play characters as well.



[[WMG: Scenes from Film/LionKingOneAndAHalf will also be incorporated into the film.]]

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[[WMG: Scenes from Film/LionKingOneAndAHalf Film/TheLionKingOneAndAHalf will also be incorporated into the film.]]
21st Jan '17 5:06:30 AM Rodangizzardcrusher3
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[[folder: Predictions for the upcoming LiveActionAdaptation]]
[[WMG: Scar's backstory will be explored.]]
For example, where his scar came from and the origin of his relationship with the hyenas will be explained, most likely drawing inspiration from the [[http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/A_Tale_of_Two_Brothers "A Tale Of Two Brothers" story]].
[[WMG: Ideas and characters removed from the original film will be reinserted here.]]
Several items seen in the original film's [[Trivia/TheLionKing Trivia page]] will be included, such as Nala's brother Mheetu and some of the CutSongs as well.
[[WMG: Creator/JonFavreau will enlist some of his usual collaborators to work on the film.]]
For example, John Debney will likely do the music, while incorporating Hans Zimmer's themes from the original. Some of Favreau's actors and friends may also show up. For example:
* Either Creator/SamRockwell or Creator/RobertDowneyJr will play Timon.
* Creator/IdrisElba ''(Film/TheJungleBook2016)'' will play Rafiki or Mufasa.
* Neel Sethi ''(Mowgli from Favreau's Jungle Book film)'' will play Simba as a cub.
* Creator/Scarlett Johansson and Creator/LupitaNyongo may play characters as well.
[[WMG: Despite including songs, the film will not be a musical.]]
Much like Favreau's previous [[Film/TheJungleBook2016 Disney work]].
[[WMG: It will be DarkerAndEdgier than the original.]]
With an increased amount of deaths and [[AdaptationAngstUpgrade increased angst]] for several characters.
[[WMG: Fitting to the above WMG, the effects of Scar's rule will also be further detailed.]]
For example, his killing of other cubs and his [[NoYay attraction to Nala]]. Attempted coups and rebellions against him may also be shown.
[[WMG: Scenes from Film/LionKingOneAndAHalf will also be incorporated into the film.]]
E.g. Simba's nightmares and scenes showing Timon and Pumbaa's backstories.
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