History WMG / TheLegendofZeldaMajorasMask

2nd Sep '17 3:16:42 PM HalcyonDayz
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** I think Tingle is basically what Link would be like if he hadn't been a chosen one in OOT. Growing up still with the Kokari and no fairy.

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** I think Tingle is basically what Link would be like if he hadn't been a chosen one in OOT.[=OoT=]. Growing up still with the Kokari and no fairy.



Well, not technically. He is only an illusion or deity sent to the world by the goddesses to protect Majora's Mask. He only shows up to those who have important destinies with the masks he guards. In OoT, no one but Link ever enters the Happy Mask Shop. In MM, no one but Link ever enters the Clock Tower. Skull Kid floated RIGHT PAST where HMS was, and he showed no intent of stopping the imp. So, why would HMS be seen by Skull Kid when he stole the mask and at the very end? The beginning, perhaps HMS was not finished... processing (or whatever you want to call it) into the world. The end, the goddesses could have allowed Skull Kid to see him so that he would learn his lesson. This would also explain how he appears in later games hundreds of years later. This raises one more question - what about the children of the moon, who look so much like him? Well, when Link went inside the moon, he landed in a large, open area. OPEN area. Even with magic, there would still be some way in and out of there. The reason for this? That was the goddesses realm. Majora took over it during MM. The children of the moon are these HMS deities in the making.

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Well, not technically. He is only an illusion or deity sent to the world by the goddesses to protect Majora's Mask. He only shows up to those who have important destinies with the masks he guards. In OoT, [=OoT=], no one but Link ever enters the Happy Mask Shop. In MM, no one but Link ever enters the Clock Tower. Skull Kid floated RIGHT PAST where HMS was, and he showed no intent of stopping the imp. So, why would HMS be seen by Skull Kid when he stole the mask and at the very end? The beginning, perhaps HMS was not finished... processing (or whatever you want to call it) into the world. The end, the goddesses could have allowed Skull Kid to see him so that he would learn his lesson. This would also explain how he appears in later games hundreds of years later. This raises one more question - what about the children of the moon, who look so much like him? Well, when Link went inside the moon, he landed in a large, open area. OPEN area. Even with magic, there would still be some way in and out of there. The reason for this? That was the goddesses realm. Majora took over it during MM. The children of the moon are these HMS deities in the making.



It works once OOT Link visits his shop. After following/watching Link he learns he intends to find Navi in the woods so Vaati/the HMS sets his master plan into motion. He goes and unseals Majora's Mask but knows that letting it loose right then would destroy Hyrule along with him in it. Instead he lets himself get beat by Skull Kid so he can steal MM and unleash it's power in Termina. Knowing that the Skull Kid will soon draw Link into that realm his plan works out perfectly. As the Mask Salesman, Vaati pretends to be a nice person helping Link in exchange for getting his mask back. In secret Vaati cares nothing about this and believes Link will fail in this task and get blown up with the rest of Termina.

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It works once OOT [=OoT=] Link visits his shop. After following/watching Link he learns he intends to find Navi in the woods so Vaati/the HMS sets his master plan into motion. He goes and unseals Majora's Mask but knows that letting it loose right then would destroy Hyrule along with him in it. Instead he lets himself get beat by Skull Kid so he can steal MM and unleash it's power in Termina. Knowing that the Skull Kid will soon draw Link into that realm his plan works out perfectly. As the Mask Salesman, Vaati pretends to be a nice person helping Link in exchange for getting his mask back. In secret Vaati cares nothing about this and believes Link will fail in this task and get blown up with the rest of Termina.



In OoT when Link is sent back to the past it creates two timelines, so each time Link travels back in time in MM he creates an alternate Termina, meaning there are several Terminas where everyone died horribly regardless of whether or not Termina exists outside of Hyrules flow of time.

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In OoT [=OoT=] when Link is sent back to the past it creates two timelines, so each time Link travels back in time in MM he creates an alternate Termina, meaning there are several Terminas where everyone died horribly regardless of whether or not Termina exists outside of Hyrules flow of time.



This would explain both the "Five Stages of Grief" WMG above and why Termina's inhabitants are basically alternative versions of their Hyrulian counterparts. Link is grieving over Navi's departure at the end of OOT and cannot move on properly. His trip in Termina due to Skull Kid's shenanigans gives him a chance to do so.

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This would explain both the "Five Stages of Grief" WMG above and why Termina's inhabitants are basically alternative versions of their Hyrulian counterparts. Link is grieving over Navi's departure at the end of OOT [=OoT=] and cannot move on properly. His trip in Termina due to Skull Kid's shenanigans gives him a chance to do so.



** Besides, Twilight Princess Link was stated to not be related to the OoT Link at all. That's why TP Link had to find the Hero's Tunic in the first place.

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** Besides, Twilight Princess Link was stated to not be related to the OoT [=OoT=] Link at all. That's why TP Link had to find the Hero's Tunic in the first place.



The area where Link is transformed onto a Deku Scrub has two golden triangles, the two inferior parts of the triforce, i think this means Link has attained Courage and Wisdom, but lacks power, Majora's Mask is focused on side quests which is a different kind of power, the power to help, in OOT link was limited on what he could do to help, here not so much, once link leaves Termina and eventually becomes the Hero's Shade is because he attained Power, Wisdom and Courage.

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The area where Link is transformed onto a Deku Scrub has two golden triangles, the two inferior parts of the triforce, i think this means Link has attained Courage and Wisdom, but lacks power, Majora's Mask is focused on side quests which is a different kind of power, the power to help, in OOT [=OoT=] link was limited on what he could do to help, here not so much, once link leaves Termina and eventually becomes the Hero's Shade is because he attained Power, Wisdom and Courage.



* It could be that Nintendo focused on the creepiness because that's what WE focus on. Not Tropers, but the big time Majora's Mask fans. They were appealing to the fanbase in the trailer. Whether it will be creepier or not... I think I've heard that the OoT remake toned down some of the creepiness of the original game. I still haven't played the remake, so I can't say for certain.

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* It could be that Nintendo focused on the creepiness because that's what WE focus on. Not Tropers, but the big time Majora's Mask fans. They were appealing to the fanbase in the trailer. Whether it will be creepier or not... I think I've heard that the OoT [=OoT=] remake toned down some of the creepiness of the original game. I still haven't played the remake, so I can't say for certain.
23rd Aug '17 1:30:56 PM link8304
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[[WMG: Majora's Mask was created from a Piece of Heart}}
Just look closely at Majora's Mask. Doesn't it look a lot like a piece of heart?
10th Aug '17 2:40:11 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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Notice how all of it's forms are named "Majora's something", but never just "Majora". According to the manga adaptation, the original Majora was a dragon, defeated by an unnamed hero, implied to be the Fierce Deity. That dragon was Demise's counterpart, with the Fierce Deity being the counterpart of the very first Link from Skyward Sword's backstory. The Mask holds a sliver of Majora's essence, like Ganondorf, being a partial reincarnation of a BiggerBad, vanquished long ago.

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Notice how all of it's forms are named "Majora's something", but never just "Majora". According to the manga adaptation, the original Majora was a dragon, defeated by an unnamed hero, implied to be the Fierce Deity. That dragon was Demise's counterpart, with the Fierce Deity being the counterpart of the very first Link from Skyward Sword's backstory. The Mask holds a sliver of Majora's essence, like Ganondorf, being a partial reincarnation of a BiggerBad, GreaterScopeVillain, vanquished long ago.
18th Jun '17 6:45:24 AM PyrosNine
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[[WMG: The game, while also being about grief, is also largely about social perception and relationships à la Rilke's "Faces" and Cooley's theory of "Social Self".]]
The main gist of the game is that by wearing masks, you are treated as if you were someone else, or having certain characteristics- a parody of social standards in real life, like how dressing in more expensive clothing makes you seem more distinguished or successful. But when you look at every character, and the masks you get from those characters, you see that EVERYONE is wearing a 'mask' so to speak. They all hide their true faces behind a persona - Anju tries her best to keep up a warm, friendly demeanor while worried and with a broken heart, the Master Carpenter puts up a front of being angry and boisterous when even he knows there won't be a festival. Often, by resolving their problem and forcing them to drop the facade, you tend to get a physical mask from them. The player isn't just gaining new powers from masks, the gullibility of Termina's social consciousness is so strong that just by looking like a person or concept he gains their powers. The happy mask children at the end, their cryptic words are the summation of this idea presented to you throughout the game- of how your actions influence how other people see you, and in turn how people see you influences your actions to an extent. Majora himself in this world, is an outsider, which befits his wearer- the Skullkid, in that they have no social standing and are utterly alien to the setting. They have trouble building relationships with others, and attempt to force themselves into the community by playing pranks or engaging in mischief. Majora however, is much like a sociopath, unable to understand other people. He can only see their "masks" or the persona they present themselves as, not as the person underneath. Most of his curses are not just cruel tricks, but also him through the Skullkid's perceptions pinning characters to either how they presented themselves or how he viewed them. Link's this annoying Deku forest dweller? Turn him into a deku scrub! That braggart Kafei talking about how he's going to be a man now? He's still just some punk kid. Those big giant jerks that abandoned us? They're just bullies who can't protect anything, let's just turn them into what they really are: monsters that make things worse. The moon children, who are part of Majora itself, are hungry for our masks because they give it a taste of these social connections that it has trouble understanding and unable to grasp- no friends, no connections, no loved ones, and these masks appease that desire. But it also paints a picture of Link to Majora, of this powerful warrior who stops at nothing, and has undone everything he has done. The fierce deity's mask is a mask given by Majora to Link, because just like everyone else, Majora sees Link differently than Link really is. A being from another world, with almost godlike powers and is completely unstoppable. Majora sees link as a "villain" because Majora is incapable of seeing his own actions as wrong, and Link is probably the first thing to ever really scare him, and The Fierce Diety's mask is a representation of how Majora views Link. And in a world where perception is power, that actually makes Link incredibly powerful. The reason why the mask only works in boss fights, is because it only works where Majora's presence is there to perceive him, everyone else views him as merely a young boy.
1st Jun '17 1:52:03 PM Owlorange1995
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[[WMG: Termina is a mishmash of various places that the Skull Kid visited before finding Majora's Mask]]
The ambiguously canon ''Hyrule Encyclopedia'' claims that Termina is nothing more than a temporary creation of Majora's Mask, even though the Skull Kid is clearly seen playing in the Southern Swamp before getting it. It is possible that the separate sections of Termina(Termina Field, Snowhead Mountain, Ikana, etc.) do in fact exist in real life, but were spliced together in the Skull Kid's dreamworld. Tying the pieces of this theory together is the fact that the Skull Kid clearly knows his way around the different regions, but the people of the regions themselves rarely interact with another in-game.
20th Apr '17 8:37:14 AM FF32
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Majora's Mask is [[VideoGame/Persona2EternalPunishment Nyarlathotep]], The Moon is Nyx, The Happy Mask Salesman is either Philemon or Igor, and almost everyone in Termina is a Persona User, which would make Link a Wild Card. The Happy Mask Salesman does give you what it essentially your first mask, or in this case, Persona. The themes of Major's Mask and Persona 3 do fit with each other, knowing that death is inescapable.

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Majora's Mask is [[VideoGame/Persona2EternalPunishment [[VideoGame/Persona2 Nyarlathotep]], The Moon is Nyx, The Happy Mask Salesman is either Philemon or Igor, and almost everyone in Termina is a Persona User, which would make Link a Wild Card. The Happy Mask Salesman does give you what it essentially your first mask, or in this case, Persona. The themes of Major's Mask and Persona 3 do fit with each other, knowing that death is inescapable.
1st Apr '17 8:16:24 PM Neechan
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*** You're thinking of when Fado told Link about Grog, right? She said he turned into a Stalfos. Which is quite different from a Skull Child, but an easy mistake to make.
17th Feb '17 4:13:01 AM Flimshar
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*** The five stages may be more about the world than about Link, as in it's Termina that has the 'terminal illness' until Link arrives to cure it.
23rd Jan '17 7:06:41 AM OmegalphaAI
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[[WMG: The Garo are the Terminian counterparts of the Sheikah.]]
Itís simple, really. The Sheikah of Hyrule were shadowy, ninja-like protectors of the Hyrulean Royal Family. The Garo were the shadowy, ninja-like allies of the Ikana Royal Family. Heck, both groups were thought to be completely wiped out save for possibly one member: Impa being a surviving Sheikah is obvious, but the Garo Master from Stone Tower has to use a bomb to remove his corpse, unlike the Garo Ninja that fade away like the ghosts they are. It's possible that the Garo Master was actually alive, unlike his followers that haunt Ikana Canyon.
8th Jan '17 11:27:18 AM SeptimusHeap
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* My friend sent me that link a long time ago after saying he knew of a place where people had weirder theories than the Website/GameFAQs boards (I hadn't yet sold my soul to this site and it was back in 2008, before this theory showed up according to the Page History). And yes, I do have too much free time, but still less than whoever the hell came up with that (who has less free time than whoever noticed the [[FreudWasRight penis-shaped columns]]).

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* My friend sent me that link a long time ago after saying he knew of a place where people had weirder theories than the Website/GameFAQs boards (I hadn't yet sold my soul to this site and it was back in 2008, before this theory showed up according to the Page History). And yes, I do have too much free time, but still less than whoever the hell came up with that (who has less free time than whoever noticed the [[FreudWasRight penis-shaped columns]]).
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