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* Also, why does Termina have to be destroyed in the Wind Waker Timeline. It takes place after the Adult portion of Ocarina of Time right? And who's chilling in the forest (and shooting deku nuts at Adult Link if he's too close) in that timeline. The Skull Kid, who would have either died along with Termina when the moon hit, or still be controlled by the mask if he survived. It's possible that whatever variables led to him taking Majora's Mask from the Happy Mask Salesman never happened which means Termina might still exist in that timeline.
** So Termina's still out there in the WW timeline, and Majora's Mask remains...GET ON IT, NINTENDO
*** [[PhantomHourglass The realm of the Ocean King]] is implied to be a parallel universe...[[EpilepticTrees maybe]] the apocalypse-by-moon, not prevented in this timeline because Link was busy being sealed in the Master Sword, resulted in some sort of nuclear winter [[note]]Okay, maybe [[ArtisticLicense it would fail science forever[[/note]], but that's not exactly new in the [[AWizardDidIt Zelda 'verse]]]], causing a [[TheGreatFlood Great Flood]]? Different reasons, same outcome: a destroyed world covered in water, populated by the legacies of a few survivors, some looking [[{{Expy}} strangely similar]] but apparently different people (I'm looking at you, Beedle).
** What the above poster said. I've pondered this before. Then I came to a conclusion: We all know that the Happy Mask Salesman was ambushed in the Lost Woods shortly after the end of Ocarina of Time in the timeline that Link returned to. Ganondorf never getting the chance to do what he did that led to [=OoT=]'s future timeline is more than likely the reason he was able to head into the Lost Woods for whatever reason. The Lost Woods, and Hyrule in general, remained the same rather than becoming much more dangerous. Termina's future timeline didn't get messed up because the Happy Mask Salesman in the future timeline never entered the Lost Woods and therefore was never ambushed by the Skull Kid, thus never leading to the Skull Kid being possessed by Majora's Mask which would've led to the Skull Kid causing all sorts of trouble for the people of Termina which would've been topped off by their eventual destruction via the moon crashing into them. When you think about it, by saving Hyrule, Link indirectly screwed Termina over. The thing is, though, that we're uncertain of what happened to the future Termina. For all we know, after Ganondorf was taken care of, the future Happy Mask Salesman probably went into forest just as his younger self did and got ambushed by the future Skull Kid, leading to bad things happening to future Termina, only this time with no Link to save them. Why did the HMS even need to go into the Lost Woods in the first place? Any chance Majora's Mask may have had something to do with him being there? I mean, it does seem odd that he'd be carrying a demonic mask around in an unsafe place like that... Then again, better to carry it with him than leaving it some place where somebody or something else could get to it.
*** Seven more years with Tatl and Tael's influence probably made Skull Kid become enough of a better person to not want to mug The Happy Mask Salesman. Therefore, everybody wins! =D

[[WMG: Every time link travels back in time he creates a different Termina timeline]]
In OoT when Link is sent back to the past it creates two timelines, so each time Link Travels back in time in MM he creates an alternate Termina, meaning there are several Termina's where everyone died horribly regardless of whether or not Termina exists outside of Hyrules flow of time.

[[WMG: Similarly, masks in Termia are inherantly powerful and magical. They gain their power upon creation.]]
Would explain why every mask in the game does at least some supernatural thing.

[[WMG: Sometime in the past, Termina experienced a bout of revolutions]]
Instead of Hyrule, overlooked by the Royal Castle, there is only Clock Town, governed by a mayor. The Gorons have a chief rather than a king, and there seems to be at least some democracy involved in his selection. The Zora seem to lack a king as well, their society being either a democracy or an oligarchy. The only race retaining royalty are the Deku, who are sort of isolationist anyway.

* So Termina suffered TheGreatPoliticsMessUp kind of like the Soviet Union. It once was united and whole but it all split up. My guess would be that the Zoras were the only ones who didn't really set up a government, as they don't seem to have a leader or a military of any description. Which of course made the Great Bay a haven for pirates, kind of like Somalia.

[[WMG: Ikana is Hyrule.]]
Expanding on the Termina as more advanced Hyrule theory, the kingdom of Ikana is Termina's version of Hyrule, with Ikana Castle as Hyrule Castle. There are major differences, with Ikana favoring a more Egyptian look as compared with Hyrule's medieval castle feel. It collapsed in Termina's version of the Great War, meaning it's king is the counterpart to Hyrule's king, and the Redeads are the Market Town's populace.
* Given the theory that the Pyramid of Power in [=ALttP=] is the Dark World counterpart to the Castle, it's not much of a stretch.
* Adding to this: the people of Termina refer to themselves as ''human'', even if they are of obvious Hylian ancestry. In the Terminan version of the Great War, the humans gained the upper hand and won, thus meaning that they didn't have the seemingly "backwoods" station in life (basic farming and such, compared to the far richer and advanced Hylians) that they would have had in Hyrule.

[[WMG: At the end, Link chooses to keep traveling between Termina and Hyrule, becoming the Hero of Two Worlds]]
He's had one hell of a bonding session with Termina, so it's unlikely he'd just stay out of there forever. If nothing else, he'll have to keep sneaking back for more Chateu Romani. But the people of Hyrule are equally precious to him. Well, with the biggest threats to both worlds eliminated and only some odds and ends to take care of in each world, surely Link has enough time for both.

[[WMG: Termina is a metaphor for the five stages of grief.]]
This troper didn't come up with the idea, but it's interesting. At worst, good for maybe a quick chuckle.
[[http://i.imgur.com/kyizk.png]].
* Maybe switch the Gorons and Zora's stage. The Goron's seem to be laying around, depressed and hopeless. For example, The two gorons outside of Darmani's tomb are cold, though one of them knows about the hot spring inside the tomb and could easily go inside and pull open the hotspring to help itself. Then, the Zora's are the ones who are bargaining, since Evan and Mikau were trying to take action and get the singer's eggs back. The Zora's take a lot of action, in fact, and are oblivious to Mikau's death, actually.

[[WMG: Termina is more than just an a parallel universe, it also stands out of time from the normal universe.]]
Unlike the various dark and twilight realms, which are perfectly parallel, time works differently. You can access any point in history to and from Termina.. We already know Termina is not a perfect mimicry of Hyrule, but has extra elements and is missing many elements. This could be explained by it being connected to many times, rather than just the one. This would explain how Skull Kid knew the giants and Link without him being hundreds of years old, the technological level being beyond that of Ocarina of Time, how Majora was able to cause so much damage in so short a time, and possibly how the HMS was able to get Majora's Mask in the first place, as we see plenty of evidence the mask was from Termina.

[[WMG: Termina is the first universe created in the Zelda multi-verse.]]
The three goddesses (Din, Nayru, and Farore) are daughters/creations of the four Giants, who were sent out to create their own worlds. Many of the new worlds contain similar elements to the first one, which explains the similarities that Termina and Hyrule share. This also explains why the giants are present in their world but the goddesses are not, since the goddesses are continuing to seed and create new worlds while the giants remain in the first one. The giants are also portrayed as being somewhat abstract elderly beings, while the goddesses are young women- they are both younger and closer in form to the various human-esque people of the worlds.
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[[folder: Termina Counterparts]]

Contains related entries from other folders.

[[WMG: ''Majora's Mask'' is a nightmare]]
Think about it. ''Link's Awakening'' provides precedent for a Zelda game being AllJustADream. Why not MM as well? Termina is similar to Hyrule in many ways and filled with [[Main/{{Expy}} expies]] of people Link got to know well in ''Ocarina of Time'', usually with horrible things happening to them. (And ever wonder why there's no expy of Link in Termina?) It's just familiar enough to be a product of his own psyche. [[NightmareFuel/MajorasMask Creepy things]] happen in MM, repeatedly, especially given the [[GroundhogDayLoop day cycle]], which smacks of someone reliving all the fears he encountered during his earlier quest. [=OoT=] contained a decent amount of horror as well, did it not? Now, what the Song of Time actually does, instead of actually by defeating the Mask.
* I always thought that Skull Kid was the Link of Termina.
** Agreed, and this Troper suggests that Fierce Deity Link is likewise meant to be a Termina version of Adult Link. Not sure how all that works out, but it makes perfect sense...[[ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs if you aren't entirely sober]].
** ''I'' thought Termina!Link was the Deku Butler's kid, hence the Deku Mask, which he turned into, being the first transformation you get (and the only one you're {{Mode Lock}}ed into).
*** Definitely Kafei. I mean, isn't Anju Termina's Saria? They look an ''awful'' lot alike.
**** Anju is the cucco lady. There is no Terminan Saria.
** I always got the idea that the "Link" in Termina was split between the four corners of the map. Darmani was the goron hero, Mikau was decendant of zoran heroes, then maybe either Deku Link's orginal form, or the monkey, is the hero of the swamp. It gets confusing with Ikana, though. But, Majora/Skullkid takes down the heroes one by one. Link=their combined strengths.
* WordOfGod says that Termina is an aftereffect of the Goddesses creating Hyrule. Apparently, there was enough creation energy left to create an alternate/parallel universe that was dangerously unstable and it's [[IncrediblyLamePun link]] to Hyrule had to closed to protect the worlds. And who's a better hero than a person named Link?
* This troper, personally, always saw Kafei as that universe's expy of Link...but why no Zelda?
* ...Tingle?
* ......Majora?

[[WMG: Skull Kid is Link's Terminian counterpart.]]
Before he became a Skull Kid, he probably had a backstory similar to Link's, i.e. his parents fled some disaster and wound up in Kokiri woods. He was raised by the Deku Tree as well, but got lost in the Lost Woods before getting his fairy, which is why he became the Skull Kid. this would also explain how he wound up in Termina, since his counterpart was able to cross the dimensional boundaries (when he was a baby, but still) then the law of equivalent exchange would grant him the same ability/luck/power/whathaveyou. this seems to be supported by a few key singularities the two share, like affinity for playing musical instruments, becoming friends with Saria, and being way to curious (as all players are when they first play a Zelda game and don't really know what to do)

[[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is Link's Termina Counterpart]]
Link and the Happy Mask Salesman were actually born around the same time, but Link stopped aging due to living in the Kokiri Forest, while HMS grew up into a not-quite-young man. The HMS did his part of Heroism by wandering across the lands - including Hyrule - to spread happiness with his wares. He took it upon himself to rid the world of the evil that is Majora's Mask. When Link left the forest and took up his mantle as the Hero of Time, the HMS went back to Termina because his power was nullified - if two counterparts exist in the same world, one will sap the power of the other. So when Link arrived in Termina, the HMS could only stay beneath the Tower and watch as his world die - and assist his Hylian counterpart any way he could.

Something else to consider: the HMS has a {{Hammerspace}} organ that has similar properties to the Ocarina of Time. It helped to heal Deku Link of his curse. If you don't play the Song of Time before the Moon falls, never fear; the HMS plays it and reverses time for you.
* Of course, this takes the apparently unpopular viewpoint that the Happy Mask Salesman is ''not'' evil.

[[WMG: Ganondorf's Termina parallel is the Happy Mask Salesman]]
Snap back to Ocarina of Time for a moment, back to the Forest Temple. After you defeat Phantom Ganon, Ganondorf apparently sends the thing into a void between dimensions. This would imply that he both has knowledge of alternate dimensions, with or without the Triforce; and the ability to open gates through them, probably with the Triforce. That in mind, look at the Happy Mask Salesman. He himself resides in a world in between dimensions, and probably has knowledge of both Hyrule and Termina; this fact is intensified if you believe that the Happy Mask Salesman from [=OoT=] is the same as from MM. Their [=MOs=] are also quite similar: they desire a relic of incredible power, and they're willing to manipulate Link in order to do so. Finally... Both of them are quite obviously evil in some way.

[[WMG: Ganondorf's Termina parallel is the Moon]]
Its face very closely resembles Ganondorf's, especially his expression during the last we see of him in Ocarina of Time as he's being banished. Like Ganondorf (arguably, it is corrupted by a powerful outside force/artifact (Majora's Mask/Triforce of Power/Anything else that may have influenced Ganondorf in other games). It also seeks to destroy a land, and the 3rd day clock town's ominous, underlying music sounds like Ganondorf's theme (at least in the ZREO version).

[[WMG: Koume and Kotake are more than just potions-and-parlor-tricks witches.]]
They are the parallels to Twinrova, who were one of the major bosses of Ocarina of Time and attempted to screw with the deities' will. One of the Termina witches refers to the Skull Kid as a harmless little punk, despite his abilities to warp space, travel between dimensions, and potential immortality (or even having conquered death, which is admittably not that big a deal in MM and other 3D Zelda games). The only things they do in the game are make potions, remotely pilot a boat, and fly on a broomstick, but their comparison to Twinrova should be enough to suggest they can do more, let alone their mostly-dismissal of the Skull Kid even with Majora's Mask.

[[WMG: Kafei is Link's Termina counterpart]]
Besides Link, Kafei is the only character you can control. He also seems to have remarkable courage, the way he was going to go get his mask back all by himself despite being in a child's body.
* This works well with the guess on the other WMG page that Link is [[OlderThanTheyLook Older Than He Looks]], since Kafei has been aged down to roughly Link's age (or slightly but not much younger), and the Skull Kid could have thought it great fun to remove all the age his Hyrule counterpart spent living in the forest. The purple hair, or even the yellow hair in this incarnation, may have been dyed (magically or otherwise), since neither of Kafei's parents has purple hair (mother red, father brown), especially if he was born with blonde hair and scandal/teasing ensued (considering Link's family members aren't always shown to be light-haired, when they're shown at all).
** Er...Kafei's father has purple hair. Either way, this theory seems plausible, given the player-control thing, the similarity in that both characters de-age, and the fact that Kafei is seemingly the single most important side character in the series (or at least, the one [[ThatOneSidequest given the most attention]]).
* Who's to say that his counterpart has to be identical to him? I mean, the Gorman brothers could be a split of the dude from [=OoT=]'s ranch, to say nothing of what would count as a time paradox with Romani and Cremia on the ranch were it the [=OoT=] timeline. Kafei can be Link's counterpart without looking like him in the hair colour department, I'd think.
* Something else that supports this is that Kafei appears to share several of Link's animations, such as his idle/breathing stance, the way he gives you items, and most notably, the way he holds the Sun Mask up over his head when he gets it back.
* Worth nothing is that Kafei has purple hair and red eyes, whereas Link has yellow hair and blue eyes. Inverted/complementary colors for both.
* It was actually a bit of a pixellation issue in the SNES, but could Kafei's hair be a reference to the purple/pinkish hue sported by Link in ''A Link to the Past''?
* This troper supports this theory whole-heartedly. Didn't Tatl say something like "you're just like someone I know" (referring to Link) while talking to Kafei?
* Kafei is [[FountainOfYouth a man trapped in a child's body]]. For the bulk of [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime his last adventure]], Link was [[OvernightAgeUp a child trapped in a man's body]]. Hmm...

[[WMG: The Butler's Son is Link's Termina counterpart]]
Think about it; If Termina is supposed to be a parallel universe to Hyrule, where are all the Kokiri? We never see a single one. In this universe, the Deku take their place as the "forest" race, so if Link WERE to have an expy, it would have to be a Deku too. In fact, the Deku that was Link left the Deku society in order to go on a quest to defeat Skull Kid, because he knew before anyone else that he would try to destroy the world. During an encounter inside the clock tower, Skull Kid lured the original "Deku Link" into an alternate dimension, tore his face off, found the nearest kid he could tease and trick into wearing the mask, then ran back to Termia, leaving the original "Deku Link" in the alternate reality, sealed behind a stone door that can never be opened.
* The problem with that theory is that Link wasn't actually a Kokiri. I think it was mentioned that Link was orphaned and taken in by the Deku Tree, so that would make him a Hylian.
** Exactly! Think about it more than at face value. Skullkid is running around. He see's a Hylian that is Link's counterpart. Link was a Hylian raised as a Kokiri, but the two are close enough that they look a like. So for fun and laughs Skullkid decides to make the twinning a tad bit more exact. No Kokiri, so this twin would need mixed in with Dekus. Hmm, he would never blend in like that. *poof* One Dekuized Termina!Link pipping hot.

[[WMG: ''The Fierce Deity'' is Link's Termina counterpart.]]
With no Hyrule War, there was no reason for [[WMG/TheLegendOfZelda Link to spend time hidden and unaging/slow-aging in the Kokiri forest]]. He grows up, becomes a skilled warrior and champion of justice, working from the shadows if this was recently... Then he gets his soul sucked out trying to destroy Majora's Mask where it was sealed in the Stone Tower Temple (and accidentally breaking the seal ''without'' killing it) and everything goes to pot. The timeline could vary, depending on how long the Happy Mask Salesman had the mask, but it's most likely either just before the Skull Kid got the mask (and the Happy Mask Salesman was returning from retrieving it), or some time ago.

[[WMG: The Fierce Deity is the Termina counterpart of both Link and Ganondorf.]]
Going on what has been said about the mask, even though it looks like Link it has been described as being evil or at the least malevolent. My theory is that when this mask was created it used to souls instead of one for more power and since we see no counterpart for Ganondorf I believe his counterparts soul along with Links was used in it's creation.
* The two blades of the Helix Sword represent the two.

[[WMG: The Fierce Deity is the counterpart of Ganondorf.]]
If it is actually evil. Also could be used to show that Link and Ganondorf are NotSoDifferent or something.

Sometime in Termina's past, a previous incarnation of Kafei (see above) defeated the Fierce Deity and the Happy Mask Salesman came along and sealed him away in a mask. The Fierce Deity [[EnemyMine lends Link his power]] because he doesn't want the land destroyed before he can take it over, or maybe [[HeelFaceTurn he had a change of heart]].

[[WMG: The goron named "Link-goro" is the Termia counterpart of the Link-goron from [=OoT=].]]
Fairly straightforward, except one is young, and the other is grown.

[[WMG: The Deku Princess and the monkey scapegoated for her disappearance are the counterparts of Zelda and Link]]
Because who else could be Zelda's counterpart? And monkey-Link just because.

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Guesses that either have yet to be sorted or don't quite fit into the above folders.

[[WMG:The "sad tree" in ''Majora's Mask'' is the butler's son.]]
As Link is navigating the strange cave that leads to Termina, he comes upon a knobby little tree with a sad face. During the end credits, the butler is seen apparently mourning over it. Since all of Link's other transformative masks are made of the earthly regrets of the dead and magical curses of the living extracted and sealed into a mask by the Song of Healing, it stands to reason that Skull Kid's curse may have involved the sad tree in some way.
* This has been confirmed by the Main/WordOfGod. Fairly obvious, too, I thought.
** And also in the ''Majora's Mask'' Manga; where the mask was the butler's son.
* Also, the butler mentions after you get the Mask of Scents that the mask reminds him of his lost son, to the point he forgot you weren't him.

[[WMG: The Elegy of Emptiness could restore people encased in masks to their original body.]]
My group has been discussing it... the Elegy of Emptiness creates another, hollow body that takes the instrument player's appearance. If Link plays it while wearing masks, the bodies resemble the people trapped in them, not (Goron/Zora/Deku) Link's. If you tried to put the mask onto the hollow body, you could potentially unite their 'bodies' and 'souls' and revive them! Well, Link can keep the Zora Band's guitarist away from them forever, f.e.
* You wouldn't necessarily even need the Elegy of Emptiness to make a new body for the Deku Scrub, just put the mask on the stump and possibly use the Song of Healing, if it's possible to get to where the stump is.
* Or, the Masks house their souls and the Elegy of Emptiness summons the bodies. If you look closely, only Link's body has pupils in the eyes; everyone else is, well, empty.

[[WMG: Link I (The Hero of Time) commits suicide after ''Majora's Mask'']]
We know that he doesn't show up in later continuities. We know that he is mortal and will one day die. We know that he's a tough bastard and probably won't get killed any time soon. I don't think he survives to be adult Link, but I can't where I read remember that [[Main.FanWank bit of continuity]] at the moment.

Add to this all the horror that he lives through. This includes, but is not limited to: being forced to tread through dangerous and painful looking dungeons (including two intestinal tracts in O.o.T. alone), being raped by zombies, losing everyone near him (especially with the above), [[Main.BodyHorror painful-looking mask transformations]], and everything else that happens in the game.

One can reasonably conclude that, after giving up the chance that he will find that annoying butterfly, Link wedges his sword between some rocks and hops on. Thank God he [[Main.HeroicMime never]] [[Main.AngstDissonance complains]].
* Oh crap, I'd kill myself too.
* Wouldn't the Triforce of Courage kind of preclude that sort of action? Unless, of course, he lost it when travelling to Termina. Well, regardless, I'm pretty sure he's used to that sort of thing by now.
** If I am not incorrect, the triforce is reformed at the end of O.o.T., leaving the late Link to his own devices.
*** You are incorrect. Ganondorf took the Triforce of Power into the Sacred Realm with him and the mark of the Triforce of Courage is visible on Link's hand when he goes to visit Zelda in the last scene.
** Doesn't matter if he has the Triforce or not, since the cause and effect is mixed up. He's not courageous because he has the Triforce, he has the Triforce because he's courageous. It'd be his very nature keeping him from committing suicide, not any Triforce powers.
** Wind Waker seems to imply he lost it when he went to Termina anyway, if not sooner.
*** If the split timeline theory is to be believed, Link never went to Termina in the Wind Waker's continuity. In Link's point of view, he returned from the Sacred Realm, defeated Ganon, and returned to the past to live out the Majora's Mask/Twilight Princess timeline. In the point of view of everyone in the Wind Waker timeline, the Hero appeared out of nowhere after disappearing for seven years, and after defeating Ganon he just as quickly disappeared into nowhere. The Triforce of Courage must have split into 8 pieces when Link was finally erased from that timeline.
* If the Hero's Spirit in Twilight Princess ''is'' the Hero of Time, he either committed suicide much later in life, or not at all. The Spirit is big and burly. I'm just saying.
** This much at least has been confirmed by WordOfGod, so it's most likely that the Hero of Time at least reached adulthood before dying.
* Seconded, if he did kill himself after Termina there wouldn't be 'countless stories' told about him in Hyrule.
** Countless Stories? You mean like how countless stories are told of, say, Saint Nicholas?
* Here's a theory. One of the above theories mentions that the Gerudo were victims of genocide as enacted by the Hylian royal family. Link (with his impressive swordsmanship and connections to the Royal family through Zelda) was made general of the army that went and slaughtered the Gerudo. He then killed himself when he learned that the war was actually a genocide. As punishment for leading a genocide and killing himself, his soul wasn't allowed to move on until it was restored by teaching his descendant the sword techniques that were necessary to save the world.
** No, no. He doesn't show up in later continuities because now that he's realized he has the power to fix ''everything'' around him by rewinding time as many times as necessary, he's still stuck within a few months of the events in the story, desperately racing to make sure that he doesn't let anything bad happen. And of course all of that happens at the speed of time, meaning he hasn't caught up yet.
** Besides, Twilight Princess Link was stated to not be related to the OoT Link at all. That's why TP Link had to find the Hero's Tunic in the first place.
*** No, that's Wind Waker Link. Twilight Princess Link is Ocarina Link's descendant.

[[WMG: In a similar vein, Majora's Mask is a [[Film/TheDarkKnight Joker-esque]] test to prove that anyone can be driven to madness and suicide.]]
* Just like the Joker wanted to prove that he could destroy Gotham's White Knight, Majora's Mask is a trial in maintaining sanity. To force a kid to witness the same three days over and over is already maddening enough. To force him to go through it without sleep is even worse. Add a shrill, mocking version of the person he was searching for and twisted doppelgangers of his friends and acquaintances, pepper in torture, murder, alien invasion, nightmarish dungeons and a fiendish imp manipulating a world gone mad is enough to drive anyone to suicide. The Happy Mask salesman, probably himself some lesser god or demon, made a bet with the Goddesses a la the story of [[Literature/TheBible Job]] to test Link's strength. So for three days he was [[HaruhiSuzumiya stuck in an endless recurrence of time]] while his Courage was tested. We can assume that Link triumphed over Skull Kid's challenges, saved Romani, reunited Anju and Kafei, etc., all while maintaining his sanity. Then, he realized the door beneath the clock tower wouldn't open...
** Link is shown riding ''away'' from Clock Town at the end - possibly to see if there's an entrance to the Lost Woods in the Deku Swamp (there's an entrance everywhere else, anyway).
*** You know what else is in the direction of the Southern Swamp? [[{{Shipping}} Milk Road]]. Also the witches, and possibly Skull Kid, any of whom might be able to help him get back to Hyrule.
*** Pretty sure he was riding towards the southern entrance (it seems he did stop off long enough to play with the Indigo-Gos in the tavern). Which would make this theory even worse if he forgot about the door until he saw it.
* On a related yet (er... somewhat) happier note than the last two

[[WMG: Link is a Stalfos and he's really in Hyrule with everything switched around]]
Same as the above, but in addition to being an undead corpse, instead of being controlled by an outside force while his spirit lives in the afterlife he's just "brainwashed" by necromancy into thinking normal villagers are monsters and sealed-evil-in-a-cans are benevolent giants. When the hero didn't show (or Ganon got out and was subsequently Twilight-banished, whichever timeline the child ending falls under, this troper can never remember) it was just because Link's spirit was controlling a skeleton undoing all the work he did in life.

[[WMG: ''All'' of the masks are trapped souls.]]
Some of them, like the stone mask, are pretty obvious, but every mask with any power is a trapped soul, not just the god masks, the zora/goron masks, and Majora's mask. The inhabitants of the (aptly named) Termina harvest peoples' souls for the Happy Mask Salesman.
* The implications of this are disturbing, when you consider some of the masks. Notably, ''one of the Great Fairies gives Link a Great Fairy mask''. Man, the [=N64=] Great Fairies were disturbing enough already...
** Also, it means that stones, bombs, and weddings have souls (gives new meaning to the phrase "life of the party", eh?), and that Kafei is in a child's body because he's soulless, among other things.
*** I'm not sure who could power the stone mask, but here's some WildMassGuessing to explain the others: The Bomb Mask is powered by the soul of the Old Lady's husband, the original Bomb Shop owner. Kafei- yeah, Kafei's Mask could be his missing soul, or at least tied to his soul without having to actually remove it. It's also possible (but less likely sticking to the spirit of the guess) that the Mayor's Wife sacrificed a small animal to power the mask (maybe the Stone Mask has the soul of a camouflaged rock gecko?), but it's my opinion that it's not a mask of power, just a mask that looks like Kafei, and maybe has "Have You Seen This Person?" stamped on the forehead. The Couple's Mask, now, I have an explanation that could be [[TastesLikeDiabetes sweet]] or [[UnfortunateImplications awful]]: Each Couple's Mask is imbued with half the soul of each of the two people. Kafei and Anju "[[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming joining]]" at the end of the third day finishes it, when you get the mask instead of at the wedding the next day. Like the "two hearts join as one" or "two candles light the big candle and then the individual candles are blown out" stuff at a lot of weddings, but less metaphorical.
**** No, only the masks that hold any real power or can easily deceive beings would have souls. Romani's mask, Kafeis's mask, Couple's mask etc would just be masks. Some of the others, though, are very blatantly the souls or emotions of beings, such as the mask that makes you dance and the Captain's Hat.
* When you speak to the Happy Mask Salesman while wearing a mask (aside from the transformation masks), he analyzes the mask you're wearing, telling you what it symbolizes and what it means to the one who made it. That gives this idea a bit of evidence.
* If you want some seriously crawling skin, notice the mask on the top back of his pack. IT'S MARIO'S FACE.
** This is all your fault, player. You failed.
** What about Darth Maul, Elvis Presley, Dr. Doom, and Falco/Dededee?

[[WMG: Majora's Mask or Link's Awakening is a retelling of the other.]]
Part of a guess on the main WMG/TheLegendOfZelda page is that some games are corrupted retellings of others.

[[WMG: The "Fierce Deity" is the personification of the future.]]
The Fierce Deity is shrouded in mystery. Plus, it is the last mask to be found in the game. If this is the [=OoT=] link, then it cannot be a past Link, because apparently he is the first Link. Many future Links wear different tunics, so this one is a comination of those. One of his attacks is to shoot a beam out of his sword. This is attack is commonly used by later Links. His fate might be to [[FutureBadass become a god-like being]], hence his appearance. The Helix sword is an amalgam of all of his swords to be gotten in the future.
* I ({{@/Fairy Red}}) believe this, too. Link's sulking as he and Epona trot on for a bit. He stops suddenly, then looks around some. And then...he rides off. We don't see which direction Link rides off to in the end. It's not at all unusual idea for him to want to stay in Termina. You do see "Mikau" in the band playing the guitar. I mean, thanks to the GroundhogDayLoop, he's probably become emotionally attached to everyone in Termina. He ''cares'' for them a whole lot. Maybe he learned that Navi won't ever return, or he simply forgot about her, knowing all the chaos he was going through in MM. And sure, Tatl told him to leave, but she clearly didn't want him to leave. Maybe Link and Tatl and Tael and the Skull Kid live in Termina happily.
** It's since been jossed that this is the first Link, though this theory isn't necessarily negated by this.

[[WMG: The horse Link found in ''Majoras Mask'' was NOT Epona]]
Romani never says that they found the horse anywhere, so it is to assume that it had been there on the farm for a long time. Also, the horses name is never mentioned and there are identical-looking counterpart of almost everyone in Termina. It's just Tatl who thinks, that the horse could be Epona. The real Epona has been killed by the Skull Kid right before he put the curse on Link.
* This makes sense. I always thought it funny that Epona would survive through the underground. Maybe Skullkid just let her run off a cliff at some point...
** Then why does Not-Epona still come when you play Epona's Song? Is this just Termina's Mirror-Epona?
*** Exactly. Remember that Romani gives you Epona's song. It's never said how long she's had the horse.
**** A gossip stone (in the Mountains region, this troper seems to recall) says that "A small, lost horse seems to have
been taken in by Romani Ranch, south of town...", thus implying that the Skull Kid just left Epona somewhere and she was found and taken in by Romani.

[[WMG: The Bombers (or most of them, anyway) are orphans.]]
They're hanging out around the town at all hours, and don't leave even on the final day, when everyone but essentual staff and a few other people are evacuating. There aren't enough married or widowed/widowered adults in town to account for all of them unless several are siblings, which isn't really that major a point. [[InformedAbility Aside from the three days you spend playing the game]], they spend a lot of time at the astronomer's lab and in an underground waterway with at least three giant, person-killing spiders.
** I thought of this, too. However, one Bomber tells Link that his parents have the Couple's Mask. He's the only one wearing a yellow bandanna, though and stays put in one place (in front of the astronomer's tower). Maybe he's the exception and his parents live nearby and told him to stay close, unlike the other, orphaned bombers who [[FreeRangeChildren wander around all over at all hours.]]

[[WMG: At the end of the game, Link uses the Elegy of Emptiness to ressurect Mikau, Darmani, and the Deku Boy.]]
He makes the statues, places the masks on them, (Song of Healing optional) and they come back to life and go on with their lives. Because I don't see a good reason why not.
* It's been said, but I still like it.
* Possibly makes sense. If you complete the game fully, there are scenes of Terminia celebrating the Festival of Time. One of those scenes has Mikau playing with the band, and Link has already left Terminia. Of course, Mikau is still wearing Link's green outfit, but his diary entry ''did'' say he felt that green was his new lucky color...
* Unfortunately, the ending also reveals that the Deku Butler's son remains petrified.

[[WMG: The Blast Mask was a weapon for terrorists, specifically suicide bombers]]After the end of the game, he gives up being Link and acts as Darmani and Mikau full-time. It would be very difficult, but not impossible.

[[WMG: The Blast Mask was designed as an emergency tool for trapped miners.]]
Such as the guy who was picking through the boulder in front of Romani Ranch. They carry the mine, and either due to their intense defensive training, a lot of single-use (or one reusable) healing items, their knowledge of the proper workings of the bomb mask, or all of the above, they can use the mask to blast the way through the rubble in a pinch. There may be some trick to using it that increases the power to something similar to a Goron Keg and a trick that decreases or nullifies the damage done to the wearer, but Link did not have the time (or local knowledge) to find and learn from a master of the Art of the Bomb Mask. [[LighterAndFluffier Similarly]], the All-Night Mask was designed for watchmen ([[SarcasmMode yeah, right]]). The abandonment of equipping the guards with the All-Night Mask (likely due to only having the prototype, and it not being worth it to make more) results in Sakon being able to run right past the guard who was asleep on his feet.

[[WMG: [[http://www.zeldauniverse.net/articles/the-legend/the-message-of-majoras-mask/ The stone tower is the Termina version of the tower of Babel]]]]
Read the article and tell me that it's not really interesting and you don't have too much free time.
* My friend sent me that link a long time ago after saying he knew of a place where people had weirder theories than the GameFAQs boards (I hadn't yet sold my soul to this site and it was back in 2008, before this theory showed up according to the Page History). And yes, I do have too much free time, but still less than whoever the hell came up with that (who has less free time than whoever noticed the [[FreudWasRight penis-shaped columns]]).

[[WMG: Link is a KamenRider.]]
He wears masks. He [[HenshinHero transforms]]. He ''rides'' Epona. He takes an evil power (the Fierce Deity's Mask) and uses it for good. He even has a kicking move as Zora Link (though, rather like KamenRiderKabuto, it's not the standard jump-kick). Also, Romani nicknames him "''Grasshopper''", which is a popular theme for Riders.
* This troper shall now use this theory to posit that [[KamenRiderDecade Decade]] [[MemeticMutation is to blame]] for all the Zelda games he doesn't like

[[WMG: The game is one of the many alternate-universe tellings of The Dark Tower.]]
Obviously, the Clock Tower is Franchise/TheDarkTower. It's at the center of everything, it's the key to saving the world, it's a ''tower''. Link is Roland, continually cycling through timelines which are almost identical until he gets it right -- until he manages to free all four Giants. The reason he is able to succeed in his quest is that he retrieves the Horn of Eld, in this case his ocarina. Link left a faraway, magical land he can't get back to and left behind a beautiful blonde lover -- Zelda, this universe's version of Susan who didn't get horribly murdered.

The Giants themselves represent the Beams, which support the tower and keep it safe from harm.

Each of Link's transformations is a version of Rolan'ds ka-tet. Jake is the Deku Scrub because Link/Roland "meets" him first and they're small and young. Eddie is the Zora, a tall, lean rogue. And Susannah is the Goron by process of elimination. Oly is Tatl, the tiny companion with Roland/Link to the very end.

Each of the other masks represent Roland's guns. They're what makes Link special.

Majora is the Crimson King. The arch-villain, uber-powerful, and you never get a satisfying confrontation with the man himself. The Skull Kid is Mordred, the Crimson King's greatest pawn and the character Link/Roland gets to fight. The Mask Salesman is Randall Flagg, a more fortunate soldier in this incarnation because at the end he gets the mask, and as shown in many Stephen King stories, Flagg always survives.

[[WMG: Igos Du Ikana is actually [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaCDIGames King Harkinian]].]]
He helped you strive for peace like a true warrior. Also...

[[WMG: The King's servents are Gwonam and Morshu.]]
Your sword was enough for them, but they didn't give credit.

[[WMG: The cattle-stealing aliens are actually some versions of Garos, summoned by the Gormon Brothers]]
Think about it. The professor in Ikana Canyon says that Garos have been sighted in the ranch. It's possible that he mistook the Gormon Brothers in their masks, but that seems like a very silly mistake for a professor who's dedicated his life to studying spirits to make. Going off of that though, ''the Gormon Brothers have Garo masks''. Which means they have the power to summon Garos. The game makes it quite clear that the Brothers' milk is of much lesser quality than Cremia's and it's implied that they've resorted to other vandalism and theft to get rid of competition. The aliens ''only'' steal the cows and Romani says that they come every time the carnival approaches and always just take the cows. On the third day, if you don't stop the invasion, the Gormon Brothers are extremely gleeful and tell Link that they're now the only ones around who can provide milk, now that Cremia has none.
--> '''Gormon Brothers''' "Seems some monstrous Garos appeared at Romani Ranch yesterday. And I heard the wagon carrying their milk was attacked. I tell you, that's a dangerous place... Seems like we're the only ones who have any milk left. Hyuh, hyuh."
* That is in reference to the Gorman Bros raid on Cremia's milk wagon, which they do while wearing their Garo masks. You cannot convince Cremia to stop that raid unless you help Romani stop the cattle theft first but the two events are coincidental. The aliens may not be Garos.
* I was under the impression that the mask didn't let you summon Garos. It seemed more like it called you to their attention. Also, if he said that Garos "had been sighted," it may well have been ''someone else'' who mistook the Gormons and then later told him about it. Incidentally, the aliens are based off of the Flatwoods Monster, one of the odder examples of supposed extraterrestrial visitors.

[[WMG: All timelines converge at the end.]]
Think about it. The ending seems to indicate that everyone in Termina got their happy ending. This can only mean one of two things: Either all the possible timelines created by travelling through time ended up converging upon Majora's destruction, or Link went back in time again and helped absolutely everyone.
* This would also make sense considering the way Termina is so similar yet so different to Hyrule. in Hyrule, a single timeline split into several timelines; in Termina, several timelines merge into a single timeline.

[[WMG: The entire series of events is a massive scheme by... someone to prepare Link for a future challenge]]
Simply put, after his return from Termina Link has all the abilities he had before getting sent to the past. Even some items that would have been too large for his child form but just happened to come in compatible size in Termina. And all in three days. There is no way that's simply a coincidence. The only question is whether the someone behind the scenes orchestrated the attack in the first place, or only brought Link to the right place at the right time.
* Want some extra horror? Who says that said evil has to just pick ''one'' host?

[[WMG: The game takes place in the future]]
Specifically, the First Day is December 18th, 2012, and the Last Day is December 21st, 2012. Hey, SOMEONE had to say it.
* [[WritersCannotDoMath You mean the 20th?]]

[[WMG: Cremia is the Termina counterpart of Malon's mother.]]
Her Termina counterpart didn't die as Malon's mother did. Perhaps there's a lot of mother-daughter resemblance, Malon always was a bit of an UglyGuysHotDaughter.

[[WMG: Building on the 'all masks are lost souls' theory, Kafei's mask is the soul of his real father.]]
It's not the mayor. Madame Aroma had an afair with someone who died/was transformed into the mask. Kafei just looks exactly like a child version of his father.

[[WMG: Tingle is MichaelJackson]]
Think about it: Widely hated in the United States (Not so much since Michael died, but his image was tarnished when MM came out. And when TWW came out, the second round of trials were beginning, which really cemented him as a paedophile in a lot of people's minds)... Behaves childishly... Is strangely fond of Link to the point where people suspect paedophilia... Also manages to be fantastic at something which is overlooked because of his personality (in Tingle's case, cartography. In Michael's, singing and dancing)...

[[WMG: Ben haunts every Majora's Mask game.]]The Majora's mask is the herald of the anti-spirals, when Link came into Termina it pushed the population limit put on by the Anti-spirals to the point where the Human Elimination Device had to be activated.
The Majora's Mask is an Eldritch Abomination, just the same as the anti-spiral
Link is a determinator as big as Simon (post time-skip), he never falters despite all the things he has live through
His Spin Attack is a form of spiral Energy.
The Fierce Deity Mask sword is a double helix, a shape the anti-spiral itself deemed as the natural form of Spiral Energy.
* ... I think some of these WMGs are getting mixed up in the coding.

[[WMG: Romani gets lobotomized on the night she is abducted along with the cows.]]

[[WMG: The Fierce Deity was a ChaoticNeutral War God that pre-dated the Four Giants.]]
The Fierce Deity does look a lot like Link, but the elements unique to him give him a distinctly ancient, even primordial feel. He seems to wear war paint, and even painted designs on his armor. His equipment looks like a split between hewn stone and metal, and his gigantic stature and grim appearance just sort of give the feeling of something left over from a more brutal, warlike age. It's possible that the Fierce Deity was neither heroic nor malevolent, simply ferocious and violent, and was sealed in a mask because the people of Termania (or perhaps the three goddesses) wanted to contain his rampages. Afterwards, the Four Giants replaced him as the gods of Termania, giving the people more benevolent protectors and leaving the Fierce Deity trapped in the mask until Link awakened him to fight for Termania one last time.

* Perhaps he was a previous skull kid, AKA the previous puppet in Majora's scheme, but was locked in a mask for this reason.

[[WMG: The Garo are the Terminan counterparts to the Sheikah.]]

As well as a near inverse, attacking rather than swearing allegiance to the Royal Family (Ikana), but they have a lot of similarities in values and fighting style and are nearly as mysterious.

[[WMG: Cremia isn't in love with Kafei.]]

She's in love with [[LesYay Anju]]. Romani says there is someone in town that Cremia likes, but not by gender:

'''Romani:''' ''Romani knows... My sister, Cremia, has someone in town she likes... But that person will get married the day of the carnival. It's hard for my sister... Going into town...''

Cremia doesn't mention Kafei either when talking about Anju's upcoming wedding.

'''Cremia:''' ''In town...I have a friend. Her name's Anju... Anju... The day after tomorrow is her wedding.''

I know it doesn't make sense, but every time I go to the ranch at the 2nd night to help Cremia, I can't help but think that it might actually be Anju that Cremia loves, even with Anju's mother trying to imply that Cremia and Kafei ran off together.
* That just makes it even better and even more twisted.
* That...actually makes a lot of sense and fits into the Fridge tropes this game has a ton of.
[[WMG:Oni Link is God]]
* Double helix sword = DNA (Inspired by [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLHsjuR4f18&feature=related this]]) [[spoiler: (Because of the double helix Rainbow)]]

[[WMG: Tael was a Poe.]]
* I mean, look at the [[http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/b/b5/Poessoul.png Poe's souls ]] from Twilight Princess. and [[http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/b/b5/Poessoul.png Tael]].
** [[MemeticMutation Cool story bro,]] [[FailedASpotCheck but it's not hard to]] [[spoiler: look at the hyperlinks before clicking them; they both link to a Poe's soul.]]

[[WMG: The Banker is a [[Series/DoctorWho Time Lord.]]]]
And the cow ornament is really his TARDIS. How else can he hold on to Link's ruppies when he travels back in time?
* Doesn't the guy at the Sword School also have one of those?
* This one may actually has a pretty mundane explanation: when you open a bank account, the banker stamps your hand with special ink, which seems to both tell him who you are and how much you have in the bank. The ink remains when you go back in time, so the banker only ''thinks'' you've deposited money when really you haven't. So Link is basically robbing the bank.

[[WMG: The Fierce Deity was the one who originally defeated Majora, and also a predecessor of the line of Heroes from which Links spawn.]]

In the Majora's Mask manga, there's a side story about a traveling warrior who wanders into Majora's realm and defeats him with music. This warrior has more than a passing resemblance with Link, and by extension, the Fierce Deity. So, what this troper proposes is, is that the Fierce Deity was a man or God, who defeated Majora. His lack of a hat can be explained as the events of Minish Cap not yet having occurred.

[[WMG: The Deku Butler's son was either a member of the Royal Guard or an Assassin]]
The Deku Scrub that the mask transforms you into is a lot better at combat than any of the other ones that you meet. He can walk on water, he can spit poison bubbles when he's magicked up, and he can perform a spin attack that stuns EVERYTHING and is carrying a very effective shield. You can actually take out most of the enemies in the game (including the Garo Master) using him. His dad also mentions that he and his son would regularly run the obstacle course under the Deku Palace, a course filled to the brim with traps that would be fatal to the average scrub. All this evidence paints a very nasty picture of whoever the Deku Mask used to be. He may have been on a mission from the Deku palace to find the Princess before the Skull Kid and Majora took him out.

[[WMG: The Fierce Deity Mask is just that.... an ordinary mask.]]
At the end of Ocarina of Time, we observe Ganondorf using the Triforce of Power to go OneWingedAngel and become Ganon. According to this theory of [[Tropers/EvaUnit01 mine]], the Fierce Deity is, in reality, ''Link's'' OneWingedAngel / SuperMode, using the Triforce of Courage to unleash his full potential at once. The mask, therefore, is nothing more than that - a piece of wood or plastic carved and painted in the shape of a face.... [[ContrivedCoincidence that just happens to be the Fierce Deity's face]]. The reason Link doesn't use this transformation until he gets the mask is because [[BreakingTheFourthWall he's aware of the game mechanics and knows that, in terms of gameplay, he can't transform without a mask]]. In-story, it's because [[GrandFinale until Majora, that was no enemy strong enough that he]] ''[[{{Badass}} might need]]'' his SuperMode in the first place. Why haven't we seen the Fierce Deity in any Zelda game before or since? Because aside from [[EldritchAbomination Majora]], there's never been a villain {{Badass}} enough to warrant his intervention. Onox, Vera, Ganon(dorf), etc. ''were'' genuine threats, rest assured, but Majora's the only one whose true aim was TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt purely ForTheEvulz. He/she/it also came much, ''much'' closer than any enemy before or since. As for why, even when facing Majora, Link only transforms while in the mask? Again, [[MediumAwareness game mechanics]]. In-story? [[AssPull Um...]] BecauseDestinySaysSo? [[FridgeLogic Regarding the child on the moon who]] ''has'' a mask that resembles the Fierce Deity's face.... Hrm... possibly the result of either a StableTimeLoop or TimeyWimeyBall. Reason for this theory in the first place? Purely for RuleOfCool.

[[WMG: The Goddess's created a trio of of Lesser Gods]]
Each one representing there powers.
* Din created Majora
** The one most obsessed with displaying his showing its power.
* Farore created the Fierce Deity
** The one with the courage to stop Majora
* Nayru created the one that uses The Happy Mask Salesmen as an avatar.
** He/She has the knowledge of how to contain the others two power into masks.
As of Skyward Sword, they have hylian counterparts.
* Majora = Ganondorf(Demise)
* HMS = Zelda(Hylia)
* Fierce Deity = Link(Reincarnation of Hyrule's own FD)

[[WMG: The Hand in the Toilet, this is Japanese Zombie]]
THEY COME
* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8v9SS2ERBE IN THE TOILET]]

[[WMG: Link killing a Garo by drawing his sword in Chuggaaconroy's Majora's Mask LP]] is what inspired him to create the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Mortal Draw]] technique.

[[WMG: The Great Bay arc is partly a reference to the [[TheBeatles Paul Is Dead conspiracy]] rumors.]]
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