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18th Apr '18 2:53:44 PM Vanshira
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Let's see here: Hemming is definitely Maven's son. Hemming says that Ingun and Sibbi are his children. In the Creation Kit, Maven is listed as Ingun and Sibbi's grandmother - but she explicitly calls Ingun her "favorite daughter", and Ingun and Sibbi both refer to her as their mother. Most people accept this as a mistake on the developers' part, but what if it isn't? What if this crew is the Tamrielic version of the Borgias in more ways than just corruption, selfishness, and a thing for assassination...?

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Let's see here: Hemming is definitely Maven's son. Hemming says that Ingun and Sibbi are his children. In the Creation Kit, Maven is listed as Ingun and Sibbi's grandmother - but she explicitly calls Ingun her "favorite daughter", and Ingun and Sibbi both refer to her as their mother. Most people accept this as a mistake on the developers' part, but what if it isn't? What if this crew is the Tamrielic version of the Borgias in more ways than just corruption, selfishness, and a thing for assassination...??

[[WMG: Arnbjorn is a disgraced Gray-Mane]]
Arnbjorn is known to be a former Companion, and likely became a werewolf as a member of the Circle (lower-ranking members aren't even supposed to know that the Circle is made up of werewolves). He also seems to be rather young to have white hair already. Clan Gray-Mane in Whiterun is heavily tied to the Companions, and have white hair at all ages, as the family name suggests. Considering how honor-bound the family is, it's entirely possible that whatever action got him kicked out of the Companions got him disowned by his family as well.
17th Apr '18 1:49:59 PM Vanshira
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* Officially, the father of Dralsi Indoril (Karliah's mother) was a Nightingale named Drayven Indoril. [[spoiler:However, according to "The Real Barenziah", the Nightingale that Barenziah had an affair ''and a child'' with was none other than ''[[EvilChancellor Jagar Tharn]]''. This opens up the possibility that Karliah is the granddaughter of - and a Dunmer Dragonborn might just be the great-grandchild of - the Big Bad from the very first game.]]
31st Mar '18 10:54:27 PM nombretomado
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* ''Or'' Ulfric is a shout-out to [[ASongOfIceAndFire Ned Stark]]. Their biographies have more than one thing in common.

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* ''Or'' Ulfric is a shout-out to [[ASongOfIceAndFire [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire Ned Stark]]. Their biographies have more than one thing in common.
31st Mar '18 9:18:27 AM Vanshira
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It already appears that he's been causing strange things to happen near the abandoned house to attract attention. Perhaps before that, he tried a more subtle methods to shake things up and get someone inside: Negatively influencing the residents of Markarth. He is the Deity of corruption and slavery (among other things). What are two of the main problems in Markarth? The corruption of the guards by Thonar, who is also working with Madanach, and the "Prison" of the city being little more than forced labor in a mine, in other words, slavery. Now of course, [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters the people in the city could certainly be this evil of their own accord]], but this kind of [[TheCorrupter corrupting influence is exactly Molag Bal's style]].

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It already appears that he's been causing strange things to happen near the abandoned house to attract attention. Perhaps before that, he tried a more subtle methods to shake things up and get someone inside: Negatively influencing the residents of Markarth. He is the Deity of corruption and slavery (among other things). What are two of the main problems in Markarth? The corruption of the guards by Thonar, who is also working with Madanach, and the "Prison" of the city being little more than forced labor in a mine, in other words, slavery. Now of course, [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters the people in the city could certainly be this evil of their own accord]], but this kind of [[TheCorrupter corrupting influence is exactly Molag Bal's style]].style]].

[[WMG: Maven and Hemming Black-Briar are [[VillainousIncest in an incestuous relationship]]]]
Let's see here: Hemming is definitely Maven's son. Hemming says that Ingun and Sibbi are his children. In the Creation Kit, Maven is listed as Ingun and Sibbi's grandmother - but she explicitly calls Ingun her "favorite daughter", and Ingun and Sibbi both refer to her as their mother. Most people accept this as a mistake on the developers' part, but what if it isn't? What if this crew is the Tamrielic version of the Borgias in more ways than just corruption, selfishness, and a thing for assassination...?
30th Mar '18 9:59:34 AM Vanshira
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** Jossed. Word of God is that none of them had contracts and Astrid really did just want to see if you'd ask "How high?" before extending her formal invite. (Technically, it's possible that someone was performing the Black Sacrament with the intention of putting a contract on one or more of them. Since the Brotherhood, lacking a Listener, is relying entirely on word of mouth, if someone was doing so in secret, Astrid would never know.)




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* Some people have claimed this is genuine old Norse slang for getting married. It is not, but it's a fun headcanon for the fictional Nords.




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* And some Daedra who are generally considered evil aren't as bad as they look. Sheogorath and Malacath show some measure of actual compassion towards their followers (why get someone to treat the more unpleasant aspects of Pelagius's madness if not to ease his suffering? Why send the Old Orc a vision of glorious death in battle if not to reassure him?).
16th Mar '18 5:11:38 PM nombretomado
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** If dragons are indeed coming back at the same time, it stands to reason that they may visit Akavir as that ''may'' have been the place they originated from. Correct me if I'm wrong, which I probably am, but isn't Akavir supposedly quite desolate? One can hope for Blackmarsh or Elsewyr though, as it would give the Argonians and Khajiit a better spotlight. If Elsewyr was explored, it might perhaps be a good tie in for the Civil war in Skyrim, as the Thalmor are supposedly occupying it and the natives are seemingly a little more complacent than in Skyrim. If Blackmarsh was explored, we might finally see the nation which could supposedly rival the Aldmeri Dominion (according to the races character sheet on ThisVeryWiki for TES).

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** If dragons are indeed coming back at the same time, it stands to reason that they may visit Akavir as that ''may'' have been the place they originated from. Correct me if I'm wrong, which I probably am, but isn't Akavir supposedly quite desolate? One can hope for Blackmarsh or Elsewyr though, as it would give the Argonians and Khajiit a better spotlight. If Elsewyr was explored, it might perhaps be a good tie in for the Civil war in Skyrim, as the Thalmor are supposedly occupying it and the natives are seemingly a little more complacent than in Skyrim. If Blackmarsh was explored, we might finally see the nation which could supposedly rival the Aldmeri Dominion (according to the races character sheet on ThisVeryWiki Wiki/ThisVeryWiki for TES).
10th Jan '18 10:35:38 AM FGHIK
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It's speculated that the Thalmor want to unmake reality because they're the descendants of the Aedra and feel that they're trapped in Mundus because of what Lorkhan did. if they can eliminate Talos worship, then they'll undo reality. However, according to the Elder Scrolls wiki (paraphrasing from in-game texts) " Sithis is believed to have created Lorkhan to destroy the universe through trickery and deceit, and return the universe to the void". If this is true, what if Sithis has convinced the Thalmor that they'll transcend if they unmake reality? What if, after all is said and done, Sithis will lie in wait, ready to consume the weak and vulnerable souls of those no longer protected by reality.

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It's speculated that the Thalmor want to unmake reality because they're the descendants of the Aedra and feel that they're trapped in Mundus because of what Lorkhan did. if they can eliminate Talos worship, then they'll undo reality. However, according to the Elder Scrolls wiki (paraphrasing from in-game texts) " Sithis is believed to have created Lorkhan to destroy the universe through trickery and deceit, and return the universe to the void". If this is true, what if Sithis has convinced the Thalmor that they'll transcend if they unmake reality? What if, after all is said and done, Sithis will lie in wait, ready to consume the weak and vulnerable souls of those no longer protected by reality.reality.

[[WMG:The Shrine of Molag Bal is influencing Markarth]]
It already appears that he's been causing strange things to happen near the abandoned house to attract attention. Perhaps before that, he tried a more subtle methods to shake things up and get someone inside: Negatively influencing the residents of Markarth. He is the Deity of corruption and slavery (among other things). What are two of the main problems in Markarth? The corruption of the guards by Thonar, who is also working with Madanach, and the "Prison" of the city being little more than forced labor in a mine, in other words, slavery. Now of course, [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters the people in the city could certainly be this evil of their own accord]], but this kind of [[TheCorrupter corrupting influence is exactly Molag Bal's style]].
8th Jan '18 9:26:22 AM MagusX
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It's canon that the Thalmor aren't particularly popular in their own home territory; consider "The Beautiful". If you were a young Altmer who despised the Thalmor and wanted to defy them in every way possible, joining a secret cult and worshiping the Divine they're trying to wipe out would be a much easier route than assassinating political figures. Not to mention there are undoubtedly still older Altmer out there who were raised worshiping nine Divines, not eight, and wouldn't be any more willing to give one of them up on the Thalmor's say-so than, say, your average Nord.

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It's canon that the Thalmor aren't particularly popular in their own home territory; consider "The Beautiful". If you were a young Altmer who despised the Thalmor and wanted to defy them in every way possible, joining a secret cult and worshiping the Divine they're trying to wipe out would be a much easier route than assassinating political figures. Not to mention there are undoubtedly still older Altmer out there who were raised worshiping nine Divines, not eight, and wouldn't be any more willing to give one of them up on the Thalmor's say-so than, say, your average Nord.Nord.

[[WMG:Sithis is behind the Thalmor]]
It's speculated that the Thalmor want to unmake reality because they're the descendants of the Aedra and feel that they're trapped in Mundus because of what Lorkhan did. if they can eliminate Talos worship, then they'll undo reality. However, according to the Elder Scrolls wiki (paraphrasing from in-game texts) " Sithis is believed to have created Lorkhan to destroy the universe through trickery and deceit, and return the universe to the void". If this is true, what if Sithis has convinced the Thalmor that they'll transcend if they unmake reality? What if, after all is said and done, Sithis will lie in wait, ready to consume the weak and vulnerable souls of those no longer protected by reality.
7th Jan '18 12:52:05 AM FGHIK
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And --unless the Dragonborn is an Altmer sympathizer for some reason-- Ulfric or Tullius will have assistance from any combination of a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Dragon Riding-Vampire/Werewolf-Harbinger-Arch Mage-Listener-Nightengale-Dawngaurd/Volkihar leading]] badass who can shoot mouth lasers, summon Dracoliches, and manipulate time itself to slaughter embassies full of elite Thalmor super soldiers... Alone... [[WithThisHerring With a dagger and party clothes...]] Yeah they're screwed.

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And --unless the Dragonborn is an Altmer sympathizer for some reason-- Ulfric or Tullius will have assistance from any combination of a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Dragon Riding-Vampire/Werewolf-Harbinger-Arch Mage-Listener-Nightengale-Dawngaurd/Volkihar leading]] badass who can shoot mouth lasers, summon Dracoliches, and manipulate time itself to slaughter embassies full of elite Thalmor super soldiers... Alone... [[WithThisHerring [[OneManArmy Alone...]] [[CherryTapping With a dagger and party clothes...]] Yeah they're screwed.
4th Dec '17 5:02:03 AM Vanshira
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* From the point of view of a genuinely autistic troper, Calcelmo is possibly the most autistic thing on Nirn. The all-consuming interest in the Dwemer, the forgetfulness concerning unrelated everyday things like picking up Kerah's ring, the need to consciously remind himself of the basic rules of personal interaction, the inability to word around the object of his affections...

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* From the point of view of a genuinely autistic troper, Calcelmo is possibly the most autistic thing on Nirn. The all-consuming interest in the Dwemer, the forgetfulness concerning unrelated everyday things like picking up Kerah's ring, the need to consciously remind himself of the basic rules of personal interaction, the inability to word around the object of his affections...
affections, the "do NOT touch my stuff without my explicit permission"...let's say that Joric matches the popular conception of an autistic child, whereas Calcelmo is much closer to the lived reality of an autistic adult.
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