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9th Feb '16 1:14:02 PM Emperor_Oshron
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* The game will start off with the player character as a prisoner again, though this time of the Thalmor, along with a small group of others. The opening scene will demonstrate Thalmor cruelty as a justiciar brutally executes another prisoner for the crime of not being Altmer, then another for fitting into their ideology but refusing to do so, then you are saved by a prisonbreak led by a third prisoner--let's call him [[MetroLastLight Pavel]]--who you team up with to kill the justiciar and then escape in a quasi-stealth sequence. This being ''Elder Scrolls'', Pavel turns out to be working for a possibly hostile side in the larger setting, but you could still join with him later, similarly to Hadvar or Ralof in ''Skyrim''. * The culture and society of the Aldmeri Dominion will fleshed out beyond just being ANaziByAnyOtherName, drawing parallels to various other supremacist/totalitarian groups through history, including the historical Spartans (''not'' the idealized version of them in ''300'' and some other media), North Korea, Stalinist Russia, and war crimes committed by not only Nazi Germany but also communist China, Imperial Japan, and the Confederate States. The climax will center on a plot against the Thalmor by every other side working together, including an Altmer resistance, which parallels the July 20 plot. Furthermore, in addition to the previous analogies established in each culture, the various races and countries will also be analogous to the participants of the World Wars: the Aldmeri Dominion's "allies" will be based on the other Axis powers and their puppet states, the opponents of it on the Allies, and "unaffiliated" ones based on those occupied by the Axis.
18th Jan '16 9:09:01 AM Letrune
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With ''ElderScrollOnline'' coming out and shows that Molag Bal's attempt to destroy Nirn but foiled, Nirn has experienced 2 attempts to destroy it by [[VideoGames/TheElderScrollIVOblivion Mehrunes Dagon]] and by aforementioned Molag Bal. But, in terms of devastation Thalmor's will topped both of them as the attempt comes from Nirn, not Oblivion, and three races (Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit) will actively cause it (ESO Dominion had their hands full dealing with two other factions but still give helps to foil Molag Bal. In Oblivion, three races had their hands full protecting their homelands). They, .... I don't know. You know the well-aimed backstab (Nirn people, not Oblivion Daedra)is more fatal than frontal attack right?
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With ''ElderScrollOnline'' coming out and shows that Molag Bal's attempt to destroy Nirn but foiled, Nirn has experienced 2 attempts to destroy it by [[VideoGames/TheElderScrollIVOblivion Mehrunes Dagon]] and by aforementioned Molag Bal. But, in terms of devastation Thalmor's will topped both of them as the attempt comes from Nirn, not Oblivion, and three races (Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit) will actively cause it (ESO Dominion had their hands full dealing with two other factions but still give helps to foil Molag Bal. In Oblivion, three races had their hands full protecting their homelands). They, .... I don't know. You know the well-aimed backstab (Nirn people, not Oblivion Daedra)is more fatal than frontal attack right?right? [[WMG: The Thalmor's goal is not the destruction of Nirn]] The Thalmor love to rule over the "lesser races" of Tamriel, so why would they destroy it? Perhaps some Imperials had the idea that they hype up the threat they mean after the Legions failed to push them back, and started saying that killing the Empire is essentially killing Talos, and as such, destroying Mundus as we know it - but it was just flowery prose by some poet. The public misread it as "Talos keeps Tamriel together" in the literal sense, and the Thalmor ran with it, to hype up their own power... Even while they just want to rule everything as much as they want. So, while the Thalmor do ban Talos' worship, it does not destroys the world - it destroys the Imperial way of living, which they want to undo totally and claim that they are the first ACTUAL empire spanning the entirety of Tamriel. In essence, it destroys a culture and a god, but not the world; at least until you agree that the Thalmor rule is not the End Of The World As We Know It. Now of course, some Thalmor agent claimed that their goal is to ascend from the world... Because he is insane. Why he is in Skyrim? He can not ruin anything in the Dominion, and nobody at the high brass of the Thalmor care if he destroys something in Skyrim.
19th Dec '15 2:21:45 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Alternately; [[ShadowOfTheColossus Shadowmere is the ghost of Agro.]]]]
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[[WMG: Alternately; [[ShadowOfTheColossus [[VideoGame/ShadowOfTheColossus Shadowmere is the ghost of Agro.]]]]
18th Dec '15 9:49:34 PM EvilKid
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The Champion of Cyrodiil + ''The Shivering Isles'' = new Sheogorath, Prince of Madness. The Dovahkiin + "Discerning the Transmundane" (the one Daedric quest you have to at least start in order to advance the main plot) + ''Dragonborn'' = [[FridgeHorror you can do]] [[YouCantFightFate the math from here]].
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The Champion of Cyrodiil + ''The Shivering Isles'' = new Sheogorath, Prince of Madness. The Dovahkiin + "Discerning the Transmundane" (the one Daedric quest you have to at least start in order to advance the main plot) + ''Dragonborn'' = [[FridgeHorror you can do]] [[YouCantFightFate the math from here]].here]]. [[WMG: Thalmor's attempt to destroy Nirn will leave deepest and heaviest devastation.]] With ''ElderScrollOnline'' coming out and shows that Molag Bal's attempt to destroy Nirn but foiled, Nirn has experienced 2 attempts to destroy it by [[VideoGames/TheElderScrollIVOblivion Mehrunes Dagon]] and by aforementioned Molag Bal. But, in terms of devastation Thalmor's will topped both of them as the attempt comes from Nirn, not Oblivion, and three races (Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit) will actively cause it (ESO Dominion had their hands full dealing with two other factions but still give helps to foil Molag Bal. In Oblivion, three races had their hands full protecting their homelands). They, .... I don't know. You know the well-aimed backstab (Nirn people, not Oblivion Daedra)is more fatal than frontal attack right?
13th Dec '15 3:30:26 PM Gill0
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Similar to how [[spoiler:The Champion of Cyrodil returns in this game as the new Sheogorath]], the Dovahkiin will return, having mastered the "Dragon Aspect" power to the point that they can transform themselves into an ethereal dragon. They could serve as part of a sidequest/quest-line that would allow the hero of ''VI'' to use the Thu'um, and/or they could serve as a summonable ally, similar to [[spoiler: Odahviing or Durnhevir.]]
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Similar to how [[spoiler:The Champion of Cyrodil returns in this game as the new Sheogorath]], the Dovahkiin will return, having mastered the "Dragon Aspect" power to the point that they can transform themselves into an ethereal dragon. They could serve as part of a sidequest/quest-line that would allow the hero of ''VI'' to use the Thu'um, and/or they could serve as a summonable ally, similar to [[spoiler: Odahviing or Durnhevir.]]]] [[WMG: Alternatively, the Dragonborn ''will'' mantle to godhood, but...]] ...it may not be what people have wished for. The Champion of Cyrodiil + ''The Shivering Isles'' = new Sheogorath, Prince of Madness. The Dovahkiin + "Discerning the Transmundane" (the one Daedric quest you have to at least start in order to advance the main plot) + ''Dragonborn'' = [[FridgeHorror you can do]] [[YouCantFightFate the math from here]].
28th Nov '15 7:29:10 PM DaltimusPrime
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[[WMG: The Dragonborn will return in ''The Elder Scrolls VI'' as a Dragon]] Similar to how [[spoiler:The Champion of Cyrodil returns in this game as the new Sheogorath]], the Dovahkiin will return, having mastered the "Dragon Aspect" power to the point that they can transform themselves into an ethereal dragon. They could serve as part of a sidequest/quest-line that would allow the hero of ''VI'' to use the Thu'um, and/or they could serve as a summonable ally, similar to [[spoiler: Odahviing or Durnhevir.]]
17th Oct '15 9:57:48 AM CaesarTropus
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French point of view was lacking
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*From a French point of view, it is pretty obvious: The Thalmor are Nazis, who put the Empire (Vichy’s Regime) to his knees. The Empire sought peace, and agreed on ultra-harsh terms: the loss of Hammerfell, banishment of Talos worship, enforcement of it within the “Independent” Empire / the loss of all Northern France, utter freedom of Germany against the Jews in Occupied Northern France. In both cases, the kneeled State de facto lost its independence. In real life, Vichy was even worse than the Empire because the Southern administration and policemen enforced anti-Semitic policies (including murder and deportation) without being even asked by Germany. In response, a group rises (the Stormcloaks/La Résistance), led by a General gone rogue who refuses the end of fighting (Ulfric/De Gaulle). Both generals don’t actually hate the country (France/The Empire) in itself, but its current government (Vichy, Mede dynasty). The General is promoted leader at the end of the war. For French historians, the infighting in France during and after Germany’s downfall was almost a Civil War. For French people, the choice of joining the Stormcloaks is obvious, since Vichy’s Regime is (almost, sadly) universally despised in France. Save for Ulfric’s nationalism and racism[[note]]Some members of La Résistance were former anti-Semitic nationalistic Fascists, who chose nationalism over antisemitism. De Gaulle himself was a Traditionalist, Nationalist, and Rightist, who chose honor and French values over the rest. Don’t believe the Communists when they state that they were the only Résistance group[[/note]], and some aversion for independentists.
3rd Oct '15 5:18:35 PM Erkhyan
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**** Hammerfell only had to face a Dominion that had already been severely weakened by the Great War against the Empire. And yet, Hammerfell apparently managed only a Pyrrhic victory: Dominion kicked out, but Hammerfell ruined. Now, consider that the Civil War only managed to weaken both Skyrim and the Empire, with the Dominion sitting on the sidelines, resting and recuperating for decades while cackling at the foolish, self-defeating humans...
19th Sep '15 1:45:46 PM Deathhacker
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** It's likely that, upon just leaving the Time Wound, Alduin was intent on killing the Dragonborn and felt the Dragonborn's soul (which is something Dragons can do, as Durnehviir was able to subconsciously tell the Dragonborn was a dragon even if you didn't do the associated quest). When he heard about Ulfric enroute, he assumed that Ulfric was the Dragonborn, since it would be the logical conclusion. It's not until the prolonged combat that Alduin realizes the Dragonsoul he's sensing is not Ulfric, but some random prisoner that just coincidentally got scooped up along with the Jarl.
9th Sep '15 5:09:41 PM karakoral
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** Realistically this is because of poorly handled writing. [[WMG: The guards in the holds are neutral]] The guards in a city don't actually change, they just put on faction appropriate attire and go about their day.
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** Realistically this is because of poorly handled writing. [[WMG: The guards in the holds are neutral]] The guards in a city don't actually change, they just put on faction appropriate attire and go about their day.
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