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3rd Nov '16 9:35:55 AM dlchen145
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And --unless the Dragonborn is an Altmer sympathizer for some reason-- Ulfric or Tullius will have assistance from any combination of a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Dragon Riding-Vampire/Werewolf-Harbinger-Arch Mage-Listener-Nightengale-Dawngaurd/Volkihar leading]] BadAss who can shoot mouth lasers, summon Dracoliches, and manipulate time itself to slaughter embassies full of elite Thalmor super soldiers... Alone... [[WithThisHerring With a dagger and party clothes...]] Yeah they're screwed.

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And --unless the Dragonborn is an Altmer sympathizer for some reason-- Ulfric or Tullius will have assistance from any combination of a [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Dragon Riding-Vampire/Werewolf-Harbinger-Arch Mage-Listener-Nightengale-Dawngaurd/Volkihar leading]] BadAss badass who can shoot mouth lasers, summon Dracoliches, and manipulate time itself to slaughter embassies full of elite Thalmor super soldiers... Alone... [[WithThisHerring With a dagger and party clothes...]] Yeah they're screwed.



A [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Dragon in TES lore]] is a Reality Warping, cosmic level BadAss. You are a dragon. Just with a different body build (Extra points if you're an Argonian). Now before you get your panties in a bunch and ask me "What about Martin and Uriel dying?" those deaths were not natural. Let's look at the facts about Dragonborn.

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A [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Dragon in TES lore]] is a Reality Warping, cosmic level BadAss.badass. You are a dragon. Just with a different body build (Extra points if you're an Argonian). Now before you get your panties in a bunch and ask me "What about Martin and Uriel dying?" those deaths were not natural. Let's look at the facts about Dragonborn.
27th Oct '16 8:28:10 AM dingodan
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*A problem with this theory is that Tiber Septim was actually very well known for using the Thu'um. In fact, the Greybeards even tell you in game that they trained him in its use.
24th Oct '16 10:11:30 PM DaltimusPrime
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Jagar Tharn was primary antagonist of TheElderScrollsArena, the very first TES game. The [[http://www.imperial-library.info/content/real-barenziah-complete complete (read: official) version of The Real Barenziah]] states that Barenziah had a love affair with Jagar Tharn while he was impersonating the Emperor, and subsequently gave birth to a child by him. Karliah is Barenziah's granddaughter, and implied to be of mixed dark elven and human ancestry, so logically this may mean her grandfather was Jagar Tharn.

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Jagar Tharn was primary antagonist of TheElderScrollsArena, the very first TES game. The [[http://www.imperial-library.info/content/real-barenziah-complete complete (read: official) version of The Real Barenziah]] states that Barenziah had a love affair with Jagar Tharn while he was impersonating the Emperor, and subsequently gave birth to a child by him. Karliah is Barenziah's granddaughter, and implied to be of mixed dark elven and human ancestry, so logically this may mean her grandfather was Jagar Tharn.Tharn.

[[WMG: The UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch version of the game will feature some Nintendo-themed extra content]]
Nothing major or game-altering, but some examples could include:
* A hidden dungeon where the Dragonborn can find [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda The Master Sword]]
* A special Mount named Epona
* A [[VideoGame/SuperMArioBros red-and-white mushroom that boosts the player's attack and health.]]
* Some new craftable armor and clothing based on characters from ''The Legend of Zelda'' or ''{{VideoGame/Fire Emblem}}''.
14th Oct '16 10:23:43 PM Arutema
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* Confirmed! It will release Oct. 28, 2016, barring delays.
31st Aug '16 4:42:35 PM Turkish
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*** IIRC, Any sentient species can interbreed with any other sentient species, as long as the equipment's compatible, but the resulting child takes on the species of their mother (so if an Imperial male and Argonian female did the nasty, an Argonian would result. If an Orc male and a Kajhiit felame did it, a Kajhiit would result.). However, my lore knowledge is a bit rusty, so I may be wrong.

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*** IIRC, Any sentient species can interbreed with any other sentient species, as long as the equipment's compatible, but the resulting child takes on the species of their mother (so if an Imperial male and Argonian female did the nasty, an Argonian would result. If an Orc male and a Kajhiit felame Khajiit female did it, a Kajhiit Khajiit would result.). However, my lore knowledge is a bit rusty, so I may be wrong.
27th Aug '16 4:34:27 PM Brigid
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** Really? I always saw Ulfric like a combination of William Wallace and Engelbrekt Engelbrektsson and the Empire as the Wilhelmine Empire.
** Alternatively, the Empire is the Weimar Republic fresh off WorldWarI. This makes the Nazi-Stormcloak parallels more noticeable in terms of historical formation.
*** Blaming a whole race of people for losing the war, despite being half or more of the army.

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** * Really? I always saw Ulfric like a combination of William Wallace and Engelbrekt Engelbrektsson and the Empire as the Wilhelmine Empire.
** * Alternatively, the Empire is the Weimar Republic fresh off WorldWarI. This makes the Nazi-Stormcloak parallels more noticeable in terms of historical formation.
*** ** Blaming a whole race of people for losing the war, despite being half or more of the army.



*** Having a terrible understanding of what it means to have continuity with previous Empires or Reichs. Although in this case, the Stormcloaks believe that the Empire is somehow not Nordic, while the Nazis believed that the German Empire was somehow the successor of the Holy Roman Empire.

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*** ** Having a terrible understanding of what it means to have continuity with previous Empires or Reichs. Although in this case, the Stormcloaks believe that the Empire is somehow not Nordic, while the Nazis believed that the German Empire was somehow the successor of the Holy Roman Empire.



*** Relying primarily on racial supremacism, white pride, and an ideal of barbaric strength that never actually applied to their people.

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*** ** Relying primarily on racial supremacism, white pride, and an ideal of barbaric strength that never actually applied to their people.



*** Claiming to be good for a specific religion, but being rather contrary to the way that the religious figure actually lived.

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*** ** Claiming to be good for a specific religion, but being rather contrary to the way that the religious figure actually lived.



*** Killing a lot of their own people, just to remove "undesirables" who are making the rest of them weak. Even though their efforts might be better spent on killing their stated enemies more effectively. And the people who are being killed systematically would be considered a ''credit'' to their society in history. For the Stormcloaks, it is Imperials, elves who support the Empire and oppose the Aldmeri Dominion, and Empire-supporting Nords like Legate Rikke and Brunwulf Free-Winter who actually fought in the war. For the Nazis, it was Jews (who were actually friends of the German people in the past), Communists (founded by all Germans), anyone who actually fought in the war and told the truth about it (like [[Literature/AllQuietOnTheWesternFront Erich Maria Remarque]]), etc.

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*** ** Killing a lot of their own people, just to remove "undesirables" who are making the rest of them weak. Even though their efforts might be better spent on killing their stated enemies more effectively. And the people who are being killed systematically would be considered a ''credit'' to their society in history. For the Stormcloaks, it is Imperials, elves who support the Empire and oppose the Aldmeri Dominion, and Empire-supporting Nords like Legate Rikke and Brunwulf Free-Winter who actually fought in the war. For the Nazis, it was Jews (who were actually friends of the German people in the past), Communists (founded by all Germans), anyone who actually fought in the war and told the truth about it (like [[Literature/AllQuietOnTheWesternFront Erich Maria Remarque]]), etc.



** Kind of unrelated, but the fact that Ulfric has been compared to both Adolf Hitler and William Wallace just goes to show what an awesome job Bethesda did of making a complex, realistic character.

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** * Kind of unrelated, but the fact that Ulfric has been compared to both Adolf Hitler and William Wallace just goes to show what an awesome job Bethesda did of making a complex, realistic character.



** Thanks for accusing everyone who likes the Stormcloaks of being a Nazi, OP!
*** The parallels are still there and still obvious.
*** Only if you're biased towards the Empire.
*** Sorry but this is one hell of a stretch. Their supposed "Racial Purity!" thing in game mostly amounts to bitching about the Dark Elves and keeping the Argonians and Khajitt out of their cities unless they prove themselves valuable. The Nords really do have all the "barbarous strength" their ancestors had, they understand their past connection to the Empire perfectly well etc. The fact that an Altmer can walk right up to Ulfric and all you have to say to join their army and get treated like any Nord by Ulfric and his soldiers is "I live here too buddy" is pretty solid evidence that he isn't Hitler. A closer analogy might be the American revolution with tweaks. The Civil War started because the great empire Skyrimerica was a part of fought a massive war with a foreign power with many of the citizens of Skyrimerica fighting in it personally and feeling betrayed when they saw their freedoms restricted at the end of said war which they had proudly served in. So the guys wearing blue rebel against the guys wearing red and with a mix of Guerilla tactics and straight up field battles they start pushing them out. They also receive aid (though in Skyrim this is very secret) from the foreign power they had fought against as a means for said foreign power to spite and try to drain their old enemy. The country is split, the shot that started it all is grey and heavily disputed and there are Hollywood Native Americans running around shooting people with stone arrows and killing them with primitive axes and getting massacred by the white people who see no hypocrisy there because they think of them as mindless savages. Clearly Ulfric Stormcloak is Viking George Washington.

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** * Thanks for accusing everyone who likes the Stormcloaks of being a Nazi, OP!
*** ** The parallels are still there and still obvious.
*** ** Only if you're biased towards the Empire.
*** ** Sorry but this is one hell of a stretch. Their supposed "Racial Purity!" thing in game mostly amounts to bitching about the Dark Elves and keeping the Argonians and Khajitt out of their cities unless they prove themselves valuable. The Nords really do have all the "barbarous strength" their ancestors had, they understand their past connection to the Empire perfectly well well, etc. The fact that an Altmer can walk right up to Ulfric and all you have to say to join their army and get treated like any Nord by Ulfric and his soldiers is "I live here too here, too, buddy" is pretty solid evidence that he isn't Hitler. A closer analogy might be the American revolution with tweaks. The Civil War started because the great empire Skyrimerica was a part of fought a massive war with a foreign power with many of the citizens of Skyrimerica fighting in it personally and feeling betrayed when they saw their freedoms restricted at the end of said war which they had proudly served in. So the guys wearing blue rebel against the guys wearing red and with a mix of Guerilla tactics and straight up field battles they start pushing them out. They also receive aid (though in Skyrim this is very secret) from the foreign power they had fought against as a means for said foreign power to spite and try to drain their old enemy. The country is split, the shot that started it all is grey and heavily disputed and there are Hollywood Native Americans running around shooting people with stone arrows and killing them with primitive axes and getting massacred by the white people who see no hypocrisy there because they think of them as mindless savages. Clearly Ulfric Stormcloak is Viking George Washington.



*** It is interesting that the Stormcloaks and Thalmor BOTH resemble the Nazi party. I consider the Stormcloaks to be the "Beer Hall Putsch" Nazis; back before the party gained power: Wildly nationalistic and arrogantly proud, but their animosity towards other races has not grown to active aggression. The Thalmor are "Kristalnacht" Nazis, after they gained power and started practicing open violence against the lesser races. Justiciars are marching about Skyrim in an appearance and demeanor almost identical to the Einsatzgruppen. Just mouthing off at them gives them the authority to kill you with absolutely no questions asked. They are killing squads tasked with interring and executing those who follow a specific faith. They both display sentiments comparable to 20th century faschism, but the Stormcloaks are reactionary and paranoid while the Thalmor are active and totalitarian; two sides of the same coin. That being said, I prefer the company of Stormcloaks, because their soldiers are more likely to just insult me than tie me up and execute me in an open ditch.
* Alternatively: Empire = China (Kuomintang), Stormcloaks = Chinese Communists and Warlords, Aldmeri Dominion = Empire of Japan, Valenwood = Korea. It's not what the writers intended but it made understanding the situation better for me.
* From a French point of view, it is pretty obvious: The Thalmor are Nazis, who put the Empire (Vichy’s Regime) to his knees. The Empire sought peace, and agreed on ultra-harsh terms: the loss of Hammerfell, banishment of Talos worship, enforcement of it within the “Independent” Empire / the loss of all Northern France, utter freedom of Germany against the Jews in Occupied Northern France. In both cases, the kneeled State de facto lost its independence. In real life, Vichy was even worse than the Empire because the Southern administration and policemen enforced anti-Semitic policies (including murder and deportation) without being even asked by Germany. In response, a group rises (the Stormcloaks/La Résistance), led by a General gone rogue who refuses the end of fighting (Ulfric/De Gaulle). Both generals don’t actually hate the country (France/The Empire) in itself, but its current government (Vichy, Mede dynasty). The General is promoted leader at the end of the war. For French historians, the infighting in France during and after Germany’s downfall was almost a Civil War. For French people, the choice of joining the Stormcloaks is obvious, since Vichy’s Regime is (almost, sadly) universally despised in France. Save for Ulfric’s nationalism and racism[[note]]Some members of La Résistance were former anti-Semitic nationalistic Fascists, who chose nationalism over antisemitism. De Gaulle himself was a Traditionalist, Nationalist, and Rightist, who chose honor and French values over the rest. Don’t believe the Communists when they state that they were the only Résistance group[[/note]], and some aversion for independentists.


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*** * It is interesting that the Stormcloaks and Thalmor BOTH resemble the Nazi party. I consider the Stormcloaks to be the "Beer Hall Putsch" Nazis; back before the party gained power: Wildly nationalistic and arrogantly proud, but their animosity towards other races has not grown to active aggression. The Thalmor are "Kristalnacht" Nazis, after they gained power and started practicing open violence against the lesser races. Justiciars are marching about Skyrim in an appearance and demeanor almost identical to the Einsatzgruppen. Just mouthing off at them gives them the authority to kill you with absolutely no questions asked. They are killing kill squads tasked with interring and executing those who follow a specific faith. They both display sentiments comparable to 20th century faschism, but the Stormcloaks are reactionary and paranoid while the Thalmor are active and totalitarian; two sides of the same coin. That being said, I prefer the company of Stormcloaks, because their soldiers are more likely to just insult me than tie me up and execute me in an open ditch.
* Alternatively: Empire = China (Kuomintang), Stormcloaks = Chinese Communists and Warlords, Aldmeri Dominion = Empire of Japan, Valenwood = Korea. It's not what the writers intended intended, but it made understanding the situation better for me.
* From a French point of view, it is pretty obvious: The Thalmor are Nazis, who put the Empire (Vichy’s Regime) to his knees. The Empire sought peace, and agreed on ultra-harsh terms: the loss of Hammerfell, banishment of Talos worship, enforcement of it within the “Independent” Empire / = the loss of all Northern France, utter freedom of Germany against the Jews in Occupied Northern France. In both cases, the kneeled State de facto lost its independence. In real life, Vichy was even worse than the Empire because the Southern administration and policemen enforced anti-Semitic policies (including murder and deportation) without being even asked by Germany. In response, a group rises (the Stormcloaks/La Résistance), led by a General gone rogue who refuses the end of fighting (Ulfric/De Gaulle). Both generals don’t actually hate the country (France/The Empire) in itself, but its current government (Vichy, Mede dynasty). The General is promoted leader at the end of the war. For French historians, the infighting in France during and after Germany’s downfall was almost a Civil War. For French people, the choice of joining the Stormcloaks is obvious, since Vichy’s Regime is (almost, sadly) universally despised in France. Save for Ulfric’s nationalism and racism[[note]]Some members of La Résistance were former anti-Semitic nationalistic Fascists, who chose nationalism over antisemitism. De Gaulle himself was a Traditionalist, Nationalist, and Rightist, who chose honor and French values over the rest. Don’t believe the Communists when they state that they were the only Résistance group[[/note]], and some aversion for independentists.

12th Aug '16 9:52:50 PM nombretomado
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*** Is it just me or is what happens to Alduin similar to the fate of Satinav from TheDarkEye? And Satinav is even also the God of Time, just like Akatosh!

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*** Is it just me or is what happens to Alduin similar to the fate of Satinav from TheDarkEye? ''TabletopGame/TheDarkEye''? And Satinav is even also the God of Time, just like Akatosh!
10th Jul '16 11:48:19 AM nombretomado
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** They ''could'' add an "import your save file" feature to TES6, kinda like BioWare did with ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII''. That would solve the problem quite well, and open the door for plotlines like some political tensions resulting from the choice of player race in ''Skyrim'' (e.g. people getting mad about having a Dunmer on the Empire's throne, or worried that the Empire is secretly supporting the [[http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Renrijra_Krin Renrijra Krin]] if the Dovahkiin was a Khajiit). It'd be a lot of extra work, but well worth it IMHO.

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** They ''could'' add an "import your save file" feature to TES6, kinda like BioWare Creator/BioWare did with ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII''. That would solve the problem quite well, and open the door for plotlines like some political tensions resulting from the choice of player race in ''Skyrim'' (e.g. people getting mad about having a Dunmer on the Empire's throne, or worried that the Empire is secretly supporting the [[http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Renrijra_Krin Renrijra Krin]] if the Dovahkiin was a Khajiit). It'd be a lot of extra work, but well worth it IMHO.
14th Jun '16 7:56:56 AM FridgeGuy2016
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* Falkreath = Western Plaguelands /Alterac Mountains: Helgen is Strahnbrad, while the eponymous town would represent Andorhal, and Riverwood as Chillwind Camp. Fort Neugrad would be a snowy version of Caer Darrow.

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* Falkreath = Western Plaguelands /Alterac Mountains: Helgen is Strahnbrad, while the eponymous town would represent Andorhal, and Riverwood as Chillwind Camp. Fort Neugrad would be a snowy version the Ruins of Caer Darrow.Alterac.
12th Jun '16 12:24:59 PM FridgeGuy2016
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*Winterhold = Dragonblight: Giant cracks of ice on land, has a snowy coast, and icebergs and floating ice caps in the sea.
*The Rift = Eversong Woods/Silverpine Forest: A combination of trees from these two regions and lush grass. Fort Greymoor is Shadowfang Keep, while Goldenglow Estate is Fenris Isle. In addition, the lake is to Lordamere Lake.
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