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[[WMG: Jyggalad and the Grey march arent real]]
Everything about Jyggalad, from his belief that the other princes were working against him, to his apsolute obsession with order, to his nature as a split personality, fit perfectly withing Sheogoraths domain of madness, he was never a prince of order, that was merely a delusion of a mad god, which also explains why we dont see him in the other games, he dident really go off to wander oblivion he just faded into the back of Sheogorath/the heroes mind

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\n* An obscure text from ''Online'' suggests that Haskill is the result of one such attempt, and Haskill's been around for a while, but given the temporal differences between Oblivion and Mundus, that's probably no obstacle.

[[WMG: Jyggalad Jyggalag and the Grey march arent aren't real]]
Everything about Jyggalad, Jyggalag, from his belief that the other princes were working against him, to his apsolute bpsolute obsession with order, to his nature as a split personality, fit perfectly withing Sheogoraths domain of madness, he was never a prince of order, that was merely a delusion of a mad god, which also explains why we dont see him in the other games, he dident didn't really go off to wander oblivion he just faded into the back of Sheogorath/the heroes mind



[[WMG: Dagail is a retired necromancer]] One of the more common Mage's Guild rumors is that "Half the Council of Mages retired after necromancy was banned!" Implying that many heads of The Guild were necromancers themselves and fled before they could be arrested. Well guess who used to be on the Council herself, is a master of Mysticism (which overlaps with necromancy), was ''encouraged'' to retire and sent off to the furtherest possible town from the Imperial City

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[[WMG: Dagail is a retired necromancer]] necromancer]]
One of the more common Mage's Guild rumors is that "Half the Council of Mages retired after necromancy was banned!" Implying that many heads of The Guild were necromancers themselves and fled before they could be arrested. Well guess who used to be on the Council herself, is a master of Mysticism (which overlaps with necromancy), was ''encouraged'' to retire and sent off to the furtherest furthest possible town from the Imperial City
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It would explain why hand 2 hand perks gets so high.

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[[WMG: The PC in the dungeon in the beginning of the game is justly arrested for going mad-drunk and committed mass-battery on a bunch of farm animals.]]
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Accidentally bump an owned silver bowl...PUBLIC EXECUTION!!!

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[[WMG: The Imperial Guards are just AxeCrazy kooks wanting to murder the player and Uriel Septim had to be the tough-babysitter, so they don't interfere with the plot]]
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Dagail is a necromancer.

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[[WMG: Dagail is a retired necromancer]] One of the more common Mage’s Guild rumors is that “Half the Council of Mages retired after necromancy was banned!” Implying that many heads of The Guild were necromancers themselves and fled before they could be arrested. Well guess who used to be on the Council herself, is a master of Mysticism (which overlaps with necromancy), was ''encouraged'' to retire and sent off to the furtherest possible town from the Imperial City
Additionally keep in mind the original definition of a “necromancer” is someone who talks to the dead, and oh look what do you know what Dagail is famous for. For bonus points, Agatha states everyone knew Kalthir was a “reformed” necromancer but Dagail had allowed him in anyway. This is not to say Dagail is with the Cult of the Black Worm or secretly evil, this is likely a case of DarkIsNotEvil, but she could exemplify how practicing necromancy can weigh on the practitioner’s mind.
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[[WMG: The deep ones worshipped by the people of hackdirt are sload]]
The book is a daedric alphabet translation of the sload book N'Gasta! Kvata! Kvakis!. The sload are both into necromancy and have connections to the daedra. They also look somewhat like lovecraft's deep ones.
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[[WMG: Cryodiil is a rainforest]]
It is just not a jungle or an equitor-like rainforest, but a temperature rainforest. It always was so, but the jungles were grown during the Interregnum. Tiber Septim had both public works and CHIM to make it into the more acceptable rainforest.
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[[WMG: Jyggalad and the Grey march arent real]]
Everything about Jyggalad, from his belief that the other princes were working against him, to his apsolute obsession with order, to his nature as a split personality, fit perfectly withing Sheogoraths domain of madness, he was never a prince of order, that was merely a delusion of a mad god, which also explains why we dont see him in the other games, he dident really go off to wander oblivion he just faded into the back of Sheogorath/the heroes mind
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* It's notable that the Hero never has the option to show romantic interest in anyone or even react to the handful of NPCs who flirt with him/her. It could be that they simply aren't interested in the living...

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* It's notable that the Hero never has the option to show romantic interest in anyone or even react to the handful of NPCs [=NPCs=] who flirt with him/her. It could be that they simply aren't interested in the living...



::Skyrim gives another possible explanation. All previous wearers of the Amulet of Kings were Dragonborn (Alessia, the Remans, Tiber Septim and his line). Before Skyrim, these folks had all been humans, either Nords or Imperials, and thus possibly related. As of Skyrim, a Dragonborn can be a member of any sentient race, so there's nothing stopping Mankar Camoran as an Altmer from being Dragonborn. Ironically, even though the creators weren't thinking of it, I think it actually explains Camoran better than anything that was present at the time of Oblivion.
* From his own Commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes: "Offering myself to that daybreak allowed the girdle of grace to contain me. When my voice returned, it spoke with another tongue. After three nights I could speak fire." Three days is far too short for a non-Dragonborn to learn the Thu'um. The Greybeards spend years training to understand enough to use the Thu'um. But unless "speak fire" is metaphorical, and given how the rest of the Commentaries are written that's a definite possibility, all it would have taken is for the Mysterium Xarxes to have the construction of a Word Wall on the pages we didn't see, but that only works if Camoran was Dragonborn.

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::Skyrim * Skyrim gives another possible explanation. All previous wearers of the Amulet of Kings were Dragonborn (Alessia, the Remans, Tiber Septim and his line). Before Skyrim, these folks had all been humans, either Nords or Imperials, and thus possibly related. As of Skyrim, a Dragonborn can be a member of any sentient race, so there's nothing stopping Mankar Camoran as an Altmer from being Dragonborn. Ironically, even though the creators weren't thinking of it, I think but it actually explains Camoran better than anything that was present at the time of Oblivion.
''Oblivion''.
* From his own Commentaries "Commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes: "Offering Xarxes": 'Offering myself to that daybreak allowed the girdle of grace to contain me. When my voice returned, it spoke with another tongue. After three nights I could speak fire." ' Three days is far too short for a non-Dragonborn to learn the Thu'um. The Greybeards spend years training to understand enough to use the Thu'um. But unless "speak fire" is metaphorical, and given how the rest of the Commentaries are written that's a definite possibility, all it would have taken is for the Mysterium Xarxes to have the construction of a Word Wall on the pages we didn't see, but that only works if Camoran was Dragonborn.
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* It's notable that the Hero never has the option to show romantic interest in anyone or even react to the handful of NPCs who flirt with him/her. It could be that they simply aren't interested in the living...
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[[WMG: Sheogorath's current plan to stop the Greymarch was possibly inspired from the Nerevarine.]]
Morrowind left plenty of room for interpretation that the PlayerCharacter became the Nerevarine through the act of mantling. With the knowledge of what happened being recent and fresh, this gave Sheogorath a EurekaMoment to hopefully combat the Greymarch by having the PlayerCharacter of Oblivion take on the mantle of his role while he becomes Jyggalag. Knowing that mantling is outright capable of turning mortals into deities might have given him the idea in the past before failing, but seeing it recently done could have given him an idea of what exactly he had to do to execute the plan.
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Most Altmer follow Auriel (although there are exceptions), but most Ayleids were Daedra worshippers (they worshipped Auriel too, but still). Mankar's Paradise has Ayleid architecture. He even loves torture as much as they did. And it would explain the need to claim being the son of the Camoran Usurper (because, officially, he would have ''no parents'' to speak of, Ayleids being "extinct" and all); alternatively, he ''is'' the son of the Camoran Usurper, but performed nymic surgery to become Ayleid. His offspring is implied to be artificial in some way, and the reason for it could be that no female Ayleid was available to beget the kind of offspring he wanted. Kirkbride's Nu-Mantia Intercept said that Ayleids were coming back, but 200 years after (''Skyrim'' time) they are nowhere to be seen. Mankar could wear the Amulet of Kings because Ayleids were the builders of the White-Gold Tower, and the Amulet contains its Stone. His plan doesn't only fulfill Mehrunes Dagon's wishes, but it also breaks the covenant between the killers of his race and the "false god" Akatosh.

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Most Altmer follow Auriel (although there are exceptions), but most Ayleids were Daedra worshippers (they worshipped Auriel too, but still). Mankar's Paradise has Ayleid architecture. He even loves torture as much as they did. And it would explain the need to claim being the son of the Camoran Usurper (because, officially, he would have ''no parents'' to speak of, Ayleids being "extinct" and all); alternatively, he ''is'' the son of the Camoran Usurper, Usurper (it would fit his self-alleged cannibalism), but performed nymic surgery to become Ayleid. His offspring is implied to be artificial in some way, and the reason for it could be that no female Ayleid was available to beget the kind of offspring he wanted. Kirkbride's Nu-Mantia Intercept said that Ayleids were coming back, but 200 years after (''Skyrim'' time) they are nowhere to be seen. Mankar could wear the Amulet of Kings because Ayleids were the builders of the White-Gold Tower, and the Amulet contains its Stone. His plan doesn't only fulfill Mehrunes Dagon's wishes, but it also breaks the covenant between the killers of his race and the "false god" Akatosh.
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Most Altmer follow Auriel (although there are exceptions), but most Ayleids were Daedra worshippers (they worshipped Auriel too, but still). Mankar's Paradise has Ayleid architecture. He even loves torture as much as they did. And it would explain the need to falsely claim being the son of the Camoran Usurper (because, officially, he would have ''no parents'' to speak of, Ayleids being "extinct" and all). His offspring is implied to be artificial in some way, and the reason for it could be that no female Ayleid was available to beget the kind of offspring he wanted. Kirkbride's Nu-Mantia Intercept said that Ayleids were coming back, but 200 years after (''Skyrim'' time) they are nowhere to be seen. Mankar could wear the Amulet of Kings because Ayleids were the builders of the White-Gold Tower, and the Amulet contains its Stone. His plan doesn't only fulfill Mehrunes Dagon's wishes, but it also breaks the covenant between the killers of his race and the "false god" Akatosh.

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Most Altmer follow Auriel (although there are exceptions), but most Ayleids were Daedra worshippers (they worshipped Auriel too, but still). Mankar's Paradise has Ayleid architecture. He even loves torture as much as they did. And it would explain the need to falsely claim being the son of the Camoran Usurper (because, officially, he would have ''no parents'' to speak of, Ayleids being "extinct" and all).all); alternatively, he ''is'' the son of the Camoran Usurper, but performed nymic surgery to become Ayleid. His offspring is implied to be artificial in some way, and the reason for it could be that no female Ayleid was available to beget the kind of offspring he wanted. Kirkbride's Nu-Mantia Intercept said that Ayleids were coming back, but 200 years after (''Skyrim'' time) they are nowhere to be seen. Mankar could wear the Amulet of Kings because Ayleids were the builders of the White-Gold Tower, and the Amulet contains its Stone. His plan doesn't only fulfill Mehrunes Dagon's wishes, but it also breaks the covenant between the killers of his race and the "false god" Akatosh.

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