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10th Jul '16 12:05:54 AM ThePrezident
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[[WMG: Batman is the alternate persona, and the Joker is the real Bruce Wayne, or what's left of him.]]
Hugo Strange does some digging inside the Joker's head and while Batman is distracting clownshoes, Hugo tracks and speaks with a creepy child with Joker's face. It's easy to assume that it was just another twisted part of the Joker toying with Hugo, but when we next see the two of them they're in a hall of mirrors and its apparently been talking to Hugo, because he asks it how it coped with its parents not paying attention to it.
The "Normal Guy" part of the Joker is stuck labelling everything as "INSANE" with a stamp, like a typical office drone. Perhaps it's the last rational vestige of the man left but is still convinced everything about the world is wrong and mad, and he quips that being the Joker's last piece of sanity left is his "day job", and wistfully says all he really wants is to make people laugh. Unlike most of his incarnations, this Joker actually makes a lot of puns and jokes that can be genuinely funny, and uses a gas to make people wear big smiles on their faces. Nonlethal, provided you get an antidote, just painful and paralysing.
To make matters worse, the Joker came out of absolutely nowhere and, with almost no prompting, claims he and Batman are two sides to the same coin, despite only just having met each other. It's because while Batman is fooling himself, Joker knows better; they're two distinct personalities tied to the same mortal man. Occasionally Bruce and even Batman crack a joke here or there, and it seems to be when they're at their happiest.
In Strange Minds, Batman is out to save Detective Yin, whom the Joker has captured and hidden somewhere. While in the Joker's mind, Batman is constantly taunted with psychic visions of Yin, some of which ask Batman why he didn't save her... just like how he feels about his parents. How would Joker know to tug on those strings? When Hugo is speaking to the child, Batman enters scene left and Hugo abruptly abandons the child and starts to question Batman. Why would he do this? Because he knows Batman and the Joker are the same person, and is curious to know what the caused the Batman persona and why it exists.
The biggest piece of evidence has got to be the end of the episode, where Batman has apparently imprisoned the Joker within his batty mind for a while, and we see the Joker cowering in the corner of his cell and sobbing dreadfully as Hugo recalls his studies and findings of the Joker before remarking that he has many more roads to cross before reaching "the other side", punctuated by pushing the Joker psyche file out of the way and revealing one for Batman as well. Batman is the other side of Joker's "unique form of madness".
Another interesting footnote is that when Batman takes over and fools the Joker into thinking the mindtrip is over and they rescued Yin, Batman!Hugo comments that when he was fishing through Joker's mind, "(There were) So many sad clowns..."
Why would Batman think the Joker was really sad... unless he knows deep down just how sad he really is.
17th Aug '15 5:40:40 PM TitoMosquito
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And to make him even more of jerkass, Rojas doesn't care that he was poor and desperate, and told him "Well, that's your problem, isn't it?".

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And to make him even more of jerkass, Rojas doesn't care that he was poor and desperate, desperate to help his family, and told him "Well, "[[KickTheDog Well, that's your problem, isn't it?".it?]]".
27th May '15 7:50:46 PM Anicomicgeek
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** I'd say {{Jossed}} by virtue of the fact that said tube was part of a flamethrower he employed in the fact. Also, keeping in mind that said bulky appearance in an homage to ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns''.

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** I'd say {{Jossed}} by virtue of the fact that said tube was part of a flamethrower he employed in the fact.fight. Also, keeping in mind that said bulky appearance in an homage to ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns''.
27th May '15 7:48:07 PM Anicomicgeek
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** I'd say {{Jossed}} by virtue of the fact that said tube was part of a flamethrower he employed in the fact. Also, keeping in mind that said bulky appearance in an homage to ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns''.
5th Apr '14 5:52:49 PM TitoMosquito
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[[WMG: ''The Batman'' takes place in the same universe as ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'', Batman goes through 2 more Robins, and Red X (Teen Titans character) is Jason Todd.]]

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[[WMG: ''The Batman'' takes place in the same universe as ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'', Batman goes through 2 more Robins, and Red X (Teen Titans (''Teen Titans'' character) is Jason Todd.]]
5th Apr '14 5:26:52 PM TitoMosquito
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** He was also disappointed that Ellen was working with Batman. He thought she was different from Ethan.

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** He was also disappointed that Ellen was working with Batman. He thought she was different from Ethan. And wasn't happy Gordon allowed Ellen back in the force.



** He was likely displeased that Ethan is back on the first. He still holds a grudge for his pro-Batman stance and for trying to kill him.

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** He was likely displeased that Ethan is back on the first. force. He still holds a grudge for his pro-Batman stance and for trying to kill him.him.
** He's very likely disgusted when [[EnemyMine the villains are allowed to fight the Joining]]. He'd rather die in the hands of the aliens than be helped by the likes of the Joker.
19th Aug '13 3:42:49 PM TitoMosquito
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** He was likely displeased that Ethan is back on the first. He still holds a grudge for his pro-Batman stance and for trying to kill him.
19th Jul '13 11:23:44 AM fop1234
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OK, this is partially based on the fact that it would all make sense. In this universe, Dick goes through the path he is seen to have gone through in Artifacts. However, in the 20 years between that and the present, Batman goes through 2 more Robins. First, Todd. However, in this universe, he doesn't die. He blames Batman for him ALMOST dying, and becomes a crook. Soon after, Batman gets a new Robin, Tim Drake. Batman trains him for a bit, and he goes to form the Titans shortly before "Artifacts". Jason was at the time a small-time crook, until he found out about the Red X suit. Then he stole it for revenge, money, and the lulz. Also, Rumor was an experimental Slade bot, hence the voice.

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OK, this is partially based on the fact that it would all make sense. In this universe, Dick goes through the path he is seen to have gone through in Artifacts. However, in the 20 years between that and the present, Batman goes through 2 more Robins. First, Todd. However, in this universe, he doesn't die. He blames Batman for him ALMOST dying, and becomes a crook. Soon after, Batman gets a new Robin, Tim Drake. Batman trains him for a bit, and he goes to form the Titans shortly before "Artifacts". Jason was at the time a small-time crook, until he found out about the Red X suit. Then he stole it for revenge, money, and the lulz. Also, Rumor rumor was an experimental Slade bot, hence the voice.



Also, compare Dick/ Robin's costume to that of Robin of the ''Teen Titans''. Notice a huge similarity? Apparently, the Robin we know from the Titans is Grayson himself, as per several hints scattered throughout the show.

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Also, compare Dick/ Robin's costume to that of Robin of the ''Teen Titans''. Notice a huge similarity? Apparently, this and several other clues from the other show suggest the Robin we know from the Titans is Mr. Grayson himself, as per several hints scattered throughout the show.
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19th Jul '13 9:40:45 AM fop1234
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Ok, this is partially based on the fact that it would all make sense. Ok, in this universe, Dick goes through the path he is seen to have gone through in Artifacts. However, in the 20 years between that and the present, Batman goes through 2 more Robins. First, Todd. However, in this universe, he doesn't die. He blames Batman for him ALMOST dying, and becomes a crook. Soon after, Batman gets a new Robin, Tim Drake. Batman trains him for a bit, and he goes to form the Titans shortly before "Artifacts". Jason was at the time a small-time crook, until he found out about the Red X suit. Then he stole it for revenge, money, and the lulz. Also, Rumor was an experimental Slade bot, hence the voice.

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Ok, OK, this is partially based on the fact that it would all make sense. Ok, in In this universe, Dick goes through the path he is seen to have gone through in Artifacts. However, in the 20 years between that and the present, Batman goes through 2 more Robins. First, Todd. However, in this universe, he doesn't die. He blames Batman for him ALMOST dying, and becomes a crook. Soon after, Batman gets a new Robin, Tim Drake. Batman trains him for a bit, and he goes to form the Titans shortly before "Artifacts". Jason was at the time a small-time crook, until he found out about the Red X suit. Then he stole it for revenge, money, and the lulz. Also, Rumor was an experimental Slade bot, hence the voice.




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Also, compare Dick/ Robin's costume to that of Robin of the ''Teen Titans''. Notice a huge similarity? Apparently, the Robin we know from the Titans is Grayson himself, as per several hints scattered throughout the show.
10th Jul '13 2:31:54 PM TitoMosquito
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[[WMG: Chief Rojas had a hand in Francis Grey's prison terms.]]
And to make him even more of jerkass, Rojas doesn't care that he was poor and desperate, and told him "Well, that's your problem, isn't it?".
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