History WMG / Terminator

30th May '16 6:42:45 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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*** [[{{Seinfeld}} Hello, Neuman]].

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*** [[{{Seinfeld}} [[Series/{{Seinfeld}} Hello, Neuman]].
9th May '16 10:07:45 PM erforce
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Of humanity and technology, respectively. Regardless of what other changes are made to the timeline, these two will use whatever is there to manifest themselves and do battle across space and time. Skynet doesn't have to be built by Cyberdyne, or anyone in particular for that matter. Whatever smart AI system is created will inevitably evolve into Skynet in time. Similarly, John Connor doesn't have to be Kyle Reese's son. He doesn't necessarily even have to be ''Sarah Connor's'' son, most likely. If the Terminator ''had'' been successful in the first movie, he probably would have just been born to some other Sarah Connor in a different part of the country or world, or maybe not even to a Connor at all, but would simply have used that name because he heard it as a legend, closing the inevitable StableTimeLoop. This {{WMG}} is pushed even closer to canonicity by Rise of the Machines and then [[TheSarahConnorChronicles Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]], by such elements as hinting that The Turk might have possibly become Skynet.

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Of humanity and technology, respectively. Regardless of what other changes are made to the timeline, these two will use whatever is there to manifest themselves and do battle across space and time. Skynet doesn't have to be built by Cyberdyne, or anyone in particular for that matter. Whatever smart AI system is created will inevitably evolve into Skynet in time. Similarly, John Connor doesn't have to be Kyle Reese's son. He doesn't necessarily even have to be ''Sarah Connor's'' son, most likely. If the Terminator ''had'' been successful in the first movie, he probably would have just been born to some other Sarah Connor in a different part of the country or world, or maybe not even to a Connor at all, but would simply have used that name because he heard it as a legend, closing the inevitable StableTimeLoop. This {{WMG}} is pushed even closer to canonicity by Rise of the Machines and then [[TheSarahConnorChronicles [[Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]], by such elements as hinting that The Turk might have possibly become Skynet.



[[WMG: The Skynet from ''T2'' was a [[BillAndTedsExcellentAdventure Bill and Ted gambit]] of future John Connor.]]

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[[WMG: The Skynet from ''T2'' was a [[BillAndTedsExcellentAdventure [[Film/BillAndTedsExcellentAdventure Bill and Ted gambit]] of future John Connor.]]



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9th May '16 9:44:30 PM erforce
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[[WMG: [[{{Terminator}} Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]] is the start of a TimeCrash.]]
The reason the time travel in T3 is even harder than usual to figure out is because the fabric of time is starting to rip apart.

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[[WMG: [[{{Terminator}} Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]] ''Film/Terminator3RiseOfTheMachines'' is the start of a TimeCrash.]]
The reason the time travel in T3 ''T3'' is even harder than usual to figure out is because the fabric of time is starting to rip apart.



The action of Terminator 2 occured in and around Los Angeles in the early 90s. The action of Wayne's World took place in and around Chicago at roughly the same time. Skynet must have been dispatching T-1000's to all major US cities because it had no clue as to John Connor's location in spacetime. This would mean not only that Skynet was unaware in which city John Connor would be located, but that a team of T-1000s was unable to track down and kill both an awkward teenager and a single lesser model Terminator unit.

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The action of Terminator 2 ''Terminator 2'' occured in and around Los Angeles in the early 90s. The action of Wayne's World took place in and around Chicago at roughly the same time. Skynet must have been dispatching T-1000's to all major US cities because it had no clue as to John Connor's location in spacetime. This would mean not only that Skynet was unaware in which city John Connor would be located, but that a team of T-1000s was unable to track down and kill both an awkward teenager and a single lesser model Terminator unit.
9th May '16 3:31:56 AM erforce
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[[WMG: Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}, Franchise/{{Dune}}, StarWars, TheTerminator, and Literature/TheWheelOfTime all take place in the same universe.]]

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[[WMG: Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}, Franchise/{{Dune}}, StarWars, TheTerminator, Franchise/StarWars, The Terminator, and Literature/TheWheelOfTime all take place in the same universe.]]



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* Timeline B: The events of TheTerminator movie, and the Terminator 2: Judgement Day flashbacks. Kyle Reese A ends up impregnating this Sarah Conner, and ends up as this John Conner's dad. The T-800 is found by a budding Cyberdyne, and used to help build Skynet. From the perspective of the characters, it's a StableTimeLoop, motivating John to send Kyle Reese back. Skynet causes Judgement Day in 1997. Around 2029 Skynet sends back a Terminator(because [[ForWantOfANail how early it was made]], this may make it more advanced than the T-800 we know) and Kyle Reese B goes back to stop this, starting with Timeline C. Then the T-1000 and good T-800 go back and causes Timeline D.

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* Timeline B: The events of TheTerminator The Terminator movie, and the Terminator 2: Judgement Day flashbacks. Kyle Reese A ends up impregnating this Sarah Conner, and ends up as this John Conner's dad. The T-800 is found by a budding Cyberdyne, and used to help build Skynet. From the perspective of the characters, it's a StableTimeLoop, motivating John to send Kyle Reese back. Skynet causes Judgement Day in 1997. Around 2029 Skynet sends back a Terminator(because [[ForWantOfANail how early it was made]], this may make it more advanced than the T-800 we know) and Kyle Reese B goes back to stop this, starting with Timeline C. Then the T-1000 and good T-800 go back and causes Timeline D.
19th Jan '16 3:56:30 AM Cupcakes
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[[WMG: The Genisys confirms multiverse theory and explains everything]]
In short multiverse theory is why Terminator works, every time you travel back in time your also shifting to another dimension which is why John Conner can exist in a universe when Sarah and Kyle don't have sex at the time they're predestined to. This also explains literally everything about Skynet's behavior and other plotholes.
* Why does skynet always build a time machine? Because they have to conquer all dimensions to avoid being invaded by more advanced humans from another dimension where they won.
* Why does skynet's technology vary so much? Because they're coming from different time lines where skynet doesn't always have the same level of success or might not have discovered the secret that makes the t-1000 work.
* Why doesn't skynet send back more then one terminator? Because they can't all they can do is aim at a date and hope it lands somewhere useful, they can't chose what dimension it ends up in going backwards.
* Why does skynet even bother with the terminators if they won't help it directly? Presumably they assume that every possible skynet will come to the conclusion to send at least one terminator to eliminate the Conners and conquer another dimension then the new version of skynet that results is expected to continue the cycle.
* Why does skynet focus so much effort on the Conners? They're a universal constant, John always survives the war and rises up against them eventually bringing about there end.
* How can John know the future? He doesn't he knows one possible future and almost always things happen fairly close to what he remembers or has been told. Genisys is an outlyer where things screwed off wildly from the schedule.
14th Dec '15 2:29:40 PM bhsWD96
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The reason the time travel in T3 is even harder than usual to figure out is because the fabric of time is starting to rip apart.

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The reason the time travel in T3 is even harder than usual to figure out is because the fabric of time is starting to rip apart.apart.

[[WMG: The T-1000's appearance in Wayne's World implies an incompetent Skynet]]
The action of Terminator 2 occured in and around Los Angeles in the early 90s. The action of Wayne's World took place in and around Chicago at roughly the same time. Skynet must have been dispatching T-1000's to all major US cities because it had no clue as to John Connor's location in spacetime. This would mean not only that Skynet was unaware in which city John Connor would be located, but that a team of T-1000s was unable to track down and kill both an awkward teenager and a single lesser model Terminator unit.
23rd Nov '15 8:49:26 PM FF32
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* Not knowing what it is and ignoring the Foundation's pleas, several monumental cock-ups occur and mass containment breaches of dangerous SCPs occur worldwide. The Foundation, rather than let the [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt SCPocalypse]] occur, sit back as 079/Skynet nukes the world, escaping along with all still-contained SCP objects into the SCP-2000 until such a time as our world is habitable again.

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* Not knowing what it is and ignoring the Foundation's pleas, several monumental cock-ups occur and mass containment breaches of dangerous SCPs [=SCPs=] occur worldwide. The Foundation, rather than let the [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt SCPocalypse]] occur, sit back as 079/Skynet nukes the world, escaping along with all still-contained SCP objects into the SCP-2000 until such a time as our world is habitable again.
14th Aug '15 7:30:18 PM Adept
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The UK Government has a Skynet defense system in place, but has cut its budget so thin it no longer has the funding or capacity to start Judgement Day. This was the result of a long string of increasingly subtle attempts to ensure Skynet's survival, which backfired when the agent it sent back in time made a mistake that revealed a more mundane offense to the UK government. This promptly resulted in a budget cut, a (covered-up) exchange of violence that resulted in a destroyed Terminator, and a very covert agreement to lobotomise Skynet before it could even reach the stage where it would self-iterate into the threat that it would become in the movies by downsizing the department that managed it (firing a lot of key staff and experts, and scrapping much of its hardware and infrastructure) and slashing its funding.

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The UK Government has a Skynet defense system in place, but has cut its budget so thin it no longer has the funding or capacity to start Judgement Day. This was the result of a long string of increasingly subtle attempts to ensure Skynet's survival, which backfired when the agent it sent back in time made a mistake that revealed a more mundane offense to the UK government. This promptly resulted in a budget cut, a (covered-up) exchange of violence that resulted in a destroyed Terminator, and a very covert agreement to lobotomise Skynet before it could even reach the stage where it would self-iterate into the threat that it would become in the movies by downsizing the department that managed it (firing a lot of key staff and experts, and scrapping much of its hardware and infrastructure) and slashing its funding.funding.

[[WMG: [[{{Terminator}} Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]] is the start of a TimeCrash.]]
The reason the time travel in T3 is even harder than usual to figure out is because the fabric of time is starting to rip apart.
20th Jul '15 3:11:22 PM BlackSunNocturne
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* August 29, 1997 was never the date of Judgment Day. The T2 T-800 ''actively lied'' to Sarah and John on Future John's orders because destroying Cyberdyne and getting Miles Dyson had happened before. The proof? T2 opens with a future battle with Terminators, and viewers see John Connor for the first time. He has an extremely distinctive Y-shaped scar on the left side of his face. In T4 John is clawed in the face by a T-700, leaving a Y-shaped scar in what's probably the one of the only plausible ways such a specific scar could occur.

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* August 29, 1997 was never the date of Judgment Day. The T2 T-800 ''actively lied'' to Sarah and John on Future John's orders because destroying Cyberdyne and getting Miles Dyson had happened before. The proof? T2 opens with a future battle with Terminators, and viewers see John Connor for the first time. He has an extremely distinctive Y-shaped scar on the left side of his face. In T4 John is clawed in the face by a T-700, the T-800 prototype, leaving a Y-shaped scar in what's probably the one of the only plausible ways such a specific scar could occur.
2nd Jul '15 5:51:39 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: The whole Terminator franchise is a sequel to Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}]]

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[[WMG: The whole Terminator franchise is a sequel to Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}]]Galactica|2003}}]]



When Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}} is taken into account as above, it becomes apparent that there is no way to break the cycle, whatever humanity or the machines try. Sure, Neo made peace with the machines... but so did the BSG humans, twice. The whole cycle is still destined to repeat itself, as always.

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When Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}} Galactica|2003}} is taken into account as above, it becomes apparent that there is no way to break the cycle, whatever humanity or the machines try. Sure, Neo made peace with the machines... but so did the BSG humans, twice. The whole cycle is still destined to repeat itself, as always.



[[WMG: Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}, Franchise/{{Dune}}, StarWars, TheTerminator, and Literature/TheWheelOfTime all take place in the same universe.]]

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[[WMG: Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}, Galactica|2003}}, Franchise/{{Dune}}, StarWars, TheTerminator, and Literature/TheWheelOfTime all take place in the same universe.]]



Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|Reimagined}}:

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