History WMG / Terminator

26th Mar '18 11:37:17 PM Cupcakes
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Let's keep assuming, like many other [=WMGs=], that at this point in the franchise the timeline has been modified who knows how many times, with Skynet constantly learning and adapting to try and prevent its ultimate destruction. So, one of the first things Skynet may have realized in the original timeline, is how the widespread destruction was ultimately damaging for itself too, severely limiting the infrastructure and equipment it could use for itself in the immediate aftermath of the nuclear holocaust; it may have taken Skynet several years just to begin attacking human survivors. So at every new chance it had to modify the past again, Skynet tweaked its plan, limiting the number of nuclear warheads in favor of more traditional missiles and war machines. Of course, the damage and death toll were still catastrophic, but left more survivors and ess irradiated land and air (Skynet may even have planned countermeasures for bonification from the radiation) than originally; Skynet's reasoning was that, even if survivors were left in a better shape, they'd still have no chance of victory if Skynet was capable of initiating production of its machines sooner. The plan appears to have worked, since while human resistance appears to relatively well equipped, Skynet's tech is advancing faster than John Connor had predicted.

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Let's keep assuming, like many other [=WMGs=], that at this point in the franchise the timeline has been modified who knows how many times, with Skynet constantly learning and adapting to try and prevent its ultimate destruction. So, one of the first things Skynet may have realized in the original timeline, is how the widespread destruction was ultimately damaging for itself too, severely limiting the infrastructure and equipment it could use for itself in the immediate aftermath of the nuclear holocaust; it may have taken Skynet several years just to begin attacking human survivors. So at every new chance it had to modify the past again, Skynet tweaked its plan, limiting the number of nuclear warheads in favor of more traditional missiles and war machines. Of course, the damage and death toll were still catastrophic, but left more survivors and ess irradiated land and air (Skynet may even have planned countermeasures for bonification from the radiation) than originally; Skynet's reasoning was that, even if survivors were left in a better shape, they'd still have no chance of victory if Skynet was capable of initiating production of its machines sooner. The plan appears to have worked, since while human resistance appears to relatively well equipped, Skynet's tech is advancing faster than John Connor had predicted.predicted.

[[WMG: John Connor did not survive ''Salvation'']]
When they started talking about Marcus working heart they were not considering a heart transplant, with medical technology available that isn't possible due to the risk of infection and subsequent death anyway let along doing it without killing John in the process. Instead they transplanted Johns face. Marcus is wearing John Connors face allowing his advanced internal machinery to tank the infection that will doubtless come of it and keeping hope alive. This is also how John is okay with letting one of his friends knock up his mother in the past, its not John anymore.
26th Mar '18 11:23:00 PM Cupcakes
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** Freaky-deaky sloshing noises. That or a high pitched electric screeching from the living metal monstrosity.
10th Jan '18 12:23:34 PM GendoIkari
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As mentioned, Skynet left a bunch of Terminators that would survive the fall of the Machines. While the T-800 and T-1000 did the immediate and important job of undoing John Connor's life, a bunch of Terminators would go into hiding in case that fails. Their mission? To eventually build a new time machine, in hopes of helping Skynet out. Rather than do what already failed and kill John Connor, they'd supply more information and technology to what would eventually be Skynet. That way it was better prepared and more knowledgable on technology, becoming the MechanicalAbomination we see in future movies. All the changes in the timeline are because these back-ups have been mucking about with the timeline.

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As mentioned, Skynet left a bunch of Terminators that would survive the fall of the Machines. While the T-800 and T-1000 did the immediate and important job of undoing John Connor's life, a bunch of Terminators would go into hiding in case that fails. Their mission? To eventually build a new time machine, in hopes of helping Skynet out. Rather than do what already failed and kill John Connor, they'd supply more information and technology to what would eventually be Skynet. That way it was better prepared and more knowledgable on technology, becoming the MechanicalAbomination we see in future movies. All the changes in the timeline are because these back-ups have been mucking about with the timeline.timeline.

[[WMG: In the ''Salvation'' timeline, the Judgment Day was less catastrophic]]
Let's keep assuming, like many other [=WMGs=], that at this point in the franchise the timeline has been modified who knows how many times, with Skynet constantly learning and adapting to try and prevent its ultimate destruction. So, one of the first things Skynet may have realized in the original timeline, is how the widespread destruction was ultimately damaging for itself too, severely limiting the infrastructure and equipment it could use for itself in the immediate aftermath of the nuclear holocaust; it may have taken Skynet several years just to begin attacking human survivors. So at every new chance it had to modify the past again, Skynet tweaked its plan, limiting the number of nuclear warheads in favor of more traditional missiles and war machines. Of course, the damage and death toll were still catastrophic, but left more survivors and ess irradiated land and air (Skynet may even have planned countermeasures for bonification from the radiation) than originally; Skynet's reasoning was that, even if survivors were left in a better shape, they'd still have no chance of victory if Skynet was capable of initiating production of its machines sooner. The plan appears to have worked, since while human resistance appears to relatively well equipped, Skynet's tech is advancing faster than John Connor had predicted.
18th Nov '17 3:31:32 AM moloch
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* This actually makes a lot of sense. All it requires is that Skynet either know or guess that it owes its existence to an Information Loop paradox (and surely if Skynet has any intact pre-apocalypse records, it's Cyberdyne's, so that assumption's not a huge leap). In 1984, Skynet and John are inextricably linked - neither can be born without the other. So it sends back the T-800 to 1984 as it knows it has to (though neither the Resistance nor the terminator itself know it's predestined to fail). Then it sends the top-of-the-line T-1000 prototype to 1995 to kill John at a point where its own existence is basically assured (justifying why it sent the inferior model to 1984 - predestination! It had no choice.) When the 1995 attempt fails, you end up with the timeline split - the original Judgment Day Timeline where Skynet's last ditch effort has failed and the Resistance wins, and the No Judgment Day timeline T2 implies is possible again. The sequels from T3 onwards are a whole other bag of cats though. And

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* This actually makes a lot of sense. All it requires is that Skynet either know or guess that it owes its existence to an Information Loop paradox (and surely if Skynet has any intact pre-apocalypse records, it's Cyberdyne's, so that assumption's not a huge leap). In 1984, Skynet and John are inextricably linked - neither can be born without the other. So it sends back the T-800 to 1984 as it knows it has to (though neither the Resistance nor the terminator itself know it's predestined to fail).fail - it's still trying to kill Sarah, [[YouCantFightFate it just can't]]). Then it sends the top-of-the-line T-1000 prototype to 1995 to kill John at a point where its own existence is basically assured (justifying why it sent the inferior model to 1984 - predestination! It had no choice.) When the 1995 attempt fails, you end up with the timeline split - the original Judgment Day Timeline where Skynet's last ditch effort has failed and the Resistance wins, and the No Judgment Day timeline T2 implies is possible again. The sequels from T3 onwards are a whole other bag of cats though. And
18th Nov '17 3:30:42 AM moloch
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* This actually makes a lot of sense. All it requires is that Skynet either know or guess that it owes its existence to an Information Loop paradox (and surely if Skynet has any intact pre-apocalypse records, it's Cyberdyne's, so that assumption's not a huge leap). In 1984, Skynet and John are inextricably linked - neither can be born without the other. So it sends back the T-800 to 1984 as it knows it has to (though neither the Resistance nor the terminator itself know it's predestined to fail). Then it sends the top-of-the-line T-1000 prototype to 1995 to kill John at a point where its own existence is basically assured (justifying why it sent the inferior model to 1984 - predestination! It had no choice.) When the 1995 attempt fails, you end up with the timeline split - the original Judgment Day Timeline where Skynet's last ditch effort has failed and the Resistance wins, and the No Judgment Day timeline T2 implies is possible again. The sequels from T3 onwards are a whole other bag of cats though. And



John Connor however, is forced to send back two t-800 models and Kyle Reese, and has to let himself be killed by the T-850 to be able to capture it. How does Skynet know about their emotional relationship? THERE ARE POLICE RECORDS OF THE CYBERDINE BUILDING INCIDENT, Arnie from T2 is on record as protecting and abiding young John Connor. So Skynet in the future knows Connor is attached to the T-800 line models, while Connor already knows one specific model will come looking for him and has to kill him.

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John Connor however, is forced to send back two t-800 models and Kyle Reese, and has to let himself be killed by the T-850 to be able to capture it. How does Skynet know about their emotional relationship? THERE ARE POLICE RECORDS OF THE CYBERDINE CYBERDYNE BUILDING INCIDENT, Arnie from T2 is on record as protecting and abiding young John Connor. So Skynet in the future knows Connor is attached to the T-800 line models, while Connor already knows one specific model will come looking for him and has to kill him.



This troper has a hypothesis about this: Skynet had intended to send the T-1000 to go after John because it knew by sending it to when John was a child, it could find additional info (as we see the T-1000 use the police terminal at the start of the film). So, it sent its advanced prototype after John as a kid and waiting to see if the changes occurred. When nothing changed, it surmised that the T-1000 somehow failed in it's mission and then decided to send a T-800 to 1984 in hopes of trying to kill John's mother instead. Of course, at that time, the Resistance attacked and then discovered the time displacement equipment after the T-800 was sent through. John, recalling what his mother told him and giving Reese the photo, sends Reese knowing he would volunteer. After Reese leaves, being told that they would destroy the equipment afterwards, John reprogram the 'Uncle Bob' Terminator to be sent to when he was a child. So, basically, the T-1000 was sent first and the T-800 sent to 1984 was a Plan B.

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This troper has a hypothesis about this: Skynet had intended to send the T-1000 to go after John because it knew by sending it to when John was a child, it could find additional info (as we see the T-1000 use the police terminal at the start of the film). So, it sent its advanced prototype after John as a kid and waiting to see if the changes occurred. When nothing changed, it surmised that the T-1000 somehow failed in it's its mission and then decided to send a T-800 to 1984 in hopes of trying to kill John's mother instead. Of course, at that time, the Resistance attacked and then discovered the time displacement equipment after the T-800 was sent through. John, recalling what his mother told him and giving Reese the photo, sends Reese knowing he would volunteer. After Reese leaves, being told that they would destroy the equipment afterwards, John reprogram the 'Uncle Bob' Terminator to be sent to when he was a child. So, basically, the T-1000 was sent first and the T-800 sent to 1984 was a Plan B.
8th Sep '17 3:07:30 AM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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This troper has a hypothesis about this: Skynet had intended to send the T-1000 to go after John because it knew by sending it to when John was a child, it could find additional info (as we see the T-1000 use the police terminal at the start of the film). So, it sent its advanced prototype after John as a kid and waiting to see if the changes occurred. When nothing changed, it surmised that the T-1000 somehow failed in it's mission and then decided to send a T-800 to 1984 in hopes of trying to kill John's mother instead. Of course, at that time, the Resistance attacked and then discovered the time displacement equipment after the T-800 was sent through. John, recalling what his mother told him and giving Reese the photo, sends Reese knowing he would volunteer. After Reese leaves, being told that they would destroy the equipment afterwards, John reprogram the 'Uncle Bob' Terminator to be sent to when he was a child. So, basically, the T-1000 was sent first and the T-800 sent to 1984 was a Plan B.

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This troper has a hypothesis about this: Skynet had intended to send the T-1000 to go after John because it knew by sending it to when John was a child, it could find additional info (as we see the T-1000 use the police terminal at the start of the film). So, it sent its advanced prototype after John as a kid and waiting to see if the changes occurred. When nothing changed, it surmised that the T-1000 somehow failed in it's mission and then decided to send a T-800 to 1984 in hopes of trying to kill John's mother instead. Of course, at that time, the Resistance attacked and then discovered the time displacement equipment after the T-800 was sent through. John, recalling what his mother told him and giving Reese the photo, sends Reese knowing he would volunteer. After Reese leaves, being told that they would destroy the equipment afterwards, John reprogram the 'Uncle Bob' Terminator to be sent to when he was a child. So, basically, the T-1000 was sent first and the T-800 sent to 1984 was a Plan B.B.

[[WMG: Skynet isn't inevitable, they just weren't thorough enough.]]
When the first T-800 is crushed, it's already had its lower body blown apart. Its legs and pelvis would still be around, albeit scattered. Also when Uncle Bob if fighting the T-1000, he ends up losing an arm which we don't see thrown in the molten iron. Because they FailedASpotCheck then and some of the original Terminator pieces were taken, there was enough to understand and construct more advanced technology. They may have even recognized it likely has some military purpose from what was left, leading to said US military creating SKYNET more directly. The processing chip and Miles Dyson's research was lost so it took a lot longer, but there was still enough for it to be possible.

[[WMG: Skynet doesn't directly send back Terminators.]]
Well not at first. Discussing how he and the T-800 got to the past, Kyle Reese mentions that Skynet had already lost before they go back and learn of the time travel plot. Rather than send back Terminators with its last dying breath, it had a back-up plan in case it's too dead to go back. Some time after getting the time machine to work but before it gets shut down it made a bunch of Terminators, programmed missions, and put them on stand-by while allowing them some autonomy. The machine in charge of the stand-by would only fail if Skynet were to go off-line, making sure they would only serve its purposes when it was dead and it didn't screw itself over via the ripple effect. One T-800 went back to 1984, one T-1000 went back to 1995. As for the others?

[[WMG: A third party of Terminators is responsible for the TimeyWimeyBall and inconsistencies in later movies.]]
As mentioned, Skynet left a bunch of Terminators that would survive the fall of the Machines. While the T-800 and T-1000 did the immediate and important job of undoing John Connor's life, a bunch of Terminators would go into hiding in case that fails. Their mission? To eventually build a new time machine, in hopes of helping Skynet out. Rather than do what already failed and kill John Connor, they'd supply more information and technology to what would eventually be Skynet. That way it was better prepared and more knowledgable on technology, becoming the MechanicalAbomination we see in future movies. All the changes in the timeline are because these back-ups have been mucking about with the timeline.
20th Jul '17 11:44:13 AM Umbethi
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The first Terminator is set in 1984, and the second Terminator is said to take place in 1995, when John would be 10 years old. His profile that the T-1000 looks at confirms this. However, in Terminator 3, John says he was 13 when the events of Terminator 2 occurred. He also says that his mother died 3 years after Terminator 2, but her grave gives her date of death as 1997, which would mean that Terminator 2 took place in 1994. In this timeline then, the events of The Terminator took place in 1980 instead of 1984, John was born in 1981, and the events of Terminator 2 took place in 1994, when he was 13.

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The first Terminator is set in 1984, and the second Terminator is said to take place in 1995, when John would be 10 years old. His profile that the T-1000 looks at confirms this. However, in Terminator 3, John says he was 13 when the events of Terminator 2 occurred. He also says that his mother died 3 years after Terminator 2, but her grave gives her date of death as 1997, which would mean that Terminator 2 took place in 1994. In this timeline then, the events of The Terminator took place in 1980 instead of 1984, John was born in 1981, and the events of Terminator 2 took place in 1994, when he was 13.
13. John may even have a different father in this timeline, since he looks nothing like Edward Furlong and Kyle Reese is not mentioned by name.
6th Jun '17 4:08:14 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Timeline I: After so many timelines, John Conner I is GenreSavvy-he uses his knowledge to warn more people. With Miles Dyson's family trusting him, they work to install protocols and ensure Skynet will never exist(or at the very least, it'll be benevolent). He becomes part of an AI ethics committee, and eventually a US Senator. This is the timeline of the T2 deleted ending: [[BittersweetEnding It may not be the original timeline, but it's still one without Skynet.]] [[EarnYourHappyEnding We've earned at least this.]]

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* Timeline I: After so many timelines, John Conner I is GenreSavvy-he uses his knowledge to warn more people. With Miles Dyson's family trusting him, they work to install protocols and ensure Skynet will never exist(or at the very least, it'll be benevolent). He becomes part of an AI ethics committee, and eventually a US Senator. This is the timeline of the T2 deleted ending: [[BittersweetEnding It may not be the original timeline, but it's still one without Skynet.]] [[EarnYourHappyEnding We've earned at least this.]]
6th Apr '17 9:02:12 PM CB2001
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The first Terminator is set in 1984, and the second Terminator is said to take place in 1995, when John would be 10 years old. His profile that the T-1000 looks at confirms this. However, in Terminator 3, John says he was 13 when the events of Terminator 2 occurred. He also says that his mother died 3 years after Terminator 2, but her grave gives her date of death as 1997, which would mean that Terminator 2 took place in 1994. In this timeline then, the events of The Terminator took place in 1980 instead of 1984, John was born in 1981, and the events of Terminator 2 took place in 1994, when he was 13.

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The first Terminator is set in 1984, and the second Terminator is said to take place in 1995, when John would be 10 years old. His profile that the T-1000 looks at confirms this. However, in Terminator 3, John says he was 13 when the events of Terminator 2 occurred. He also says that his mother died 3 years after Terminator 2, but her grave gives her date of death as 1997, which would mean that Terminator 2 took place in 1994. In this timeline then, the events of The Terminator took place in 1980 instead of 1984, John was born in 1981, and the events of Terminator 2 took place in 1994, when he was 13.13.

[[WMG: The T-1000 was sent back first, not the T-800.]]
Not many people put thought in this, seeing the first film and then the second one, believing in the continuity that the T-800 was sent back first. However, no one has put this thought out, especially when you look at the first two films alone: why did Skynet send the T-1000 to kill John Connor as a child, when it could have sent it to 1984 and kill Sarah Connor instead?

This troper has a hypothesis about this: Skynet had intended to send the T-1000 to go after John because it knew by sending it to when John was a child, it could find additional info (as we see the T-1000 use the police terminal at the start of the film). So, it sent its advanced prototype after John as a kid and waiting to see if the changes occurred. When nothing changed, it surmised that the T-1000 somehow failed in it's mission and then decided to send a T-800 to 1984 in hopes of trying to kill John's mother instead. Of course, at that time, the Resistance attacked and then discovered the time displacement equipment after the T-800 was sent through. John, recalling what his mother told him and giving Reese the photo, sends Reese knowing he would volunteer. After Reese leaves, being told that they would destroy the equipment afterwards, John reprogram the 'Uncle Bob' Terminator to be sent to when he was a child. So, basically, the T-1000 was sent first and the T-800 sent to 1984 was a Plan B.
2nd Jan '17 5:45:08 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Skynet is GLaDOS]]

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[[WMG: Skynet is GLaDOS]][=GLaDOS=]]]



In the Sprawl 'verse, Skynet was stopped not at the "committing a worldwide Holocaust against humanity" stage, but at the "wiping out a research facility with nerve gas" stage (not unlike GLaDOS from VideoGame/{{Portal}}). People got very, very, very afraid, that some AI might manage to move on to the "destroy humanity" stage and established the Turing Agency (an international police force to persecute people, who try making AIs smarter than the law allows, backed by the UN with jurisdiction on EVERYWHERE on Earth. Yes, people were afraid enough of [[AIIsACrapshoot a homicidal AI]] to give them that kind of powers), the Turing Registry (every AI smarter than one's intestinal bacteria, hyperbolically speaking, has to be registered and given a unique designation) and very strict laws governing the creation, deployment and use of AIs (every AI has tons of mandated safeguards to make it impossible to get smarter than the law allows, up to a electromagnetic bomb attached to it's hardware, which'll go kaboom, if it tries any funny business. Making AIs smarter than they're allowed to be was made into a crime against humanity with very hefty prison sentences or in certain severe cases even the death penalty).

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In the Sprawl 'verse, Skynet was stopped not at the "committing a worldwide Holocaust against humanity" stage, but at the "wiping out a research facility with nerve gas" stage (not unlike GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] from VideoGame/{{Portal}}). People got very, very, very afraid, that some AI might manage to move on to the "destroy humanity" stage and established the Turing Agency (an international police force to persecute people, who try making AIs smarter than the law allows, backed by the UN with jurisdiction on EVERYWHERE on Earth. Yes, people were afraid enough of [[AIIsACrapshoot a homicidal AI]] to give them that kind of powers), the Turing Registry (every AI smarter than one's intestinal bacteria, hyperbolically speaking, has to be registered and given a unique designation) and very strict laws governing the creation, deployment and use of AIs (every AI has tons of mandated safeguards to make it impossible to get smarter than the law allows, up to a electromagnetic bomb attached to it's hardware, which'll go kaboom, if it tries any funny business. Making AIs smarter than they're allowed to be was made into a crime against humanity with very hefty prison sentences or in certain severe cases even the death penalty).
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